Why are developers so reluctant to use the solar system as a setting? Is it too familiar to be truly fantastic? When a game is set in space it's almost always just used as a way to say "somewhere out in nowhere, also green, grey and blue humans lol".
>>735885626Because apart from the moons of saturn all other planets are with gas giants or uninhabitable.
for me it's inceladus
>>735885626It's primarily due to the differentiation between near future sci-fi with realistic technology based upon existing scientific principles limited by light speed and anything FTL invariably bringing Star Trek TOS style exploration with tribes and factions of aliens.Cowboy Bebop is one of the few sci-fi settings I can think of where the light barrier is circumvented, but it takes place exclusively within the confines of the solar system with stargates, and conversely, Avatar being limited to near-light electro-magnetic antimatter propulsion, but the ISV'S can get to Proxima Centauri in just 7 years as a result.It's also due to the fact that modern astronomy and physics have proven that things we took as scientific reality just over 100 years ago were and are demonstrably false. Ether theory was supported by a majority of the scientific community because newton initially proposed it until it was proven false, and people thought that there were oceans on Mars, that Vulcan was inside of Mercury's orbit and there was a second Earth on the opposite side of the sun.
>>735886215Venus, Mercury and Mars are all terrestrial and relatively close by. The Galilean moons are also all interesting, especially Europa. Titan is practically begging to be colonized and even the gas giants could be used for very unique and horrifying settings, like the hexagonal storm on Saturn, the big red eye on Jupiter or the storms on Neptune that rage at ludicrous wind speeds.
Because space is fucking boring. Make a fictional location, make it take place on one fictional planet instead.
>>735886215Not OP but you can make a game where you explore the Kuiper Belt, the ring of asteroids and small celestial bodies beyond Pluto. From strange asteroids like Arrokoth, to other peculiar things like Haumea.Damn, you can even make things up like other unseen celestial bodies such as Planet X. Space will always be one of the richest settings for a game in terms of exploration.
>>735885626This is why I adore starfield because they took risks to make the setting more realistic and didnt cheap out, it gave you a reason to explore planets and systems.
>>735886683>venusLiterally rains acid and is 464°c >mercuryAlso 400°c+ and has no atmosphere>>735886715The kuplar belt and the edges of the solar system with a meme planet X would be interesting.
>>735886983Don't extreme environments make for interesting settings? Like, some sort of silicon valley mogul finds an incredibly useful substance on Venus and you have to go there and get a mining operation up and running while trying to avoid failure and death. Maybe others are doing the same so you'd have to compete with them, too.
>>735885626But most games are already set in the solar system.
>>735885626figuring out scope would be roughprofit would be very risky the more that gets poured into it, on top of banking on a "new setting", so you can just forget the creatively bankrupt AAA outside some horseshit that wishes it was a movie insteadbut in relation strictly to the thought of a new IP, not the Galactic scale+ayy lmaos, Mass Effect happened, so who knows.
>>735887085Personally I think space games set exploring distant galaxies and planets are more interesting. Our solar system is pretty shit compared to other systems with more than one start and several different planets. Also with other galaxies you can add starnge physics anomalies, ayyys, different elements and other sci-fi elements that make them more interesting.
>Artemis II supposedly happening in the near futureWhat's the point of missions with flesh and blood astronauts when we have already reached the point where we could just send nigh-indestructible robots?
>>735887507Our solar system might not be the flashiest one...but it's ours, isn't it?
>>735887556its more fun to send humans and you get to dunk on all the other countries
>>735886715>ArrokothIt's Ultima Thule, bigot.
>>735886983Venus could become more habilitate if you reduced the amount of CO2 on the planet. The leading theory is that Venus used to be a lot more like Earth until runaway greenhouse effect turned it into the planet it is today
>>735885626What do you need an entire solar system for when a single planet, can have every possible biome?
>>735887835What if we developed a method to funnel greenhouse gases into the void of outer space? Could help Earth AND terraform Venus at the same time.
>>735887864You know, it's kinda disappointing how much Mars looks like just a generic desert on Earth. Other planets should be weird as fuck, dammit!
>>735887940No, we need to send it to Mars. Funneling it all into the void of space is a waste of good CO2
>>735887975Even Iceland is more interesting than Mars
Leave Mars to Elon. >>735888008
>>735886215>piratenigger simulator in kuiper belt>dodging space spooks, enslaving orbital serfs, ransacking merchant vessels and running drugs from Earth to Europa
Limiting your sci-fi game to the solar system can make it more interesting. You can still use modern countries and factions, with mixtures of near futuristic tech and some more old fashioned shit, while also making the planets/moons look like exaggerated versions of what we know IRL (or using old fashioned/outdated interpretations, like with Phaeton, giant canals on Mars, or Venus being a giant swamp). Opening up the FTL can is a surefire way to make the setting a lot more generic.To compare, it could be like the sci-fi version of an alternate universe setting set in the 1600-1700s, but Earth is 20x bigger, and the world powers are still exploring and settling new continents.
>>735887085>incredibly useful substance on VenusYou'd have to lift it out of that gravity well and then bring it back down to earth. incredibly wasteful. just do asteroid mining if you need those shiny elements from the platinum metal group or whatever. Or steer that asteroid to Australia, nothing of value exists there, once it crashed you can mine the impact material.
>>735888475Think the future of warfare will involve tactically redirected asteroids as an alternative to nukes?
>>735888650Dropping big metal rods would already be preferable to nukes if it didn't cost so much to get them into orbit
>>735888349As much as I love space, I would kill for a bethesda-style ice wall game.Just imagine>every concentric circle of the ice wall is a higher level zone>the civilizations you encounter become progressively more alien and mystical as you move further away from our earth>have to clear increasingly difficult dungeons to breach through into the next concentric circle>there's only one dungeon that serves as passage to the next layer, and you have to talk to npcs and piece together clues from other ruins to try and locate where the dungeon isice wall game never fucking ever
Half of the reason anyone sets a game in space is to fantasize about introducing hot alien ladies to the finer points of human culture in the bedroom. For better or worse, we are all alone in our system, so...
>>735888650>>735888695Nukes deliver a lot of bang per unit of mass, and you can get the plutonium by producing useful energy from uranium. Building massdrivers and engines that move asteroids also needs a lot technology. Dropping asteroids might be cheap in the sense that you already built it and could use it in a pinch if you don't have nukes on hand.Throwing asteroids only gets really interesting when you can do it at relativistic speeds.
>>735889089Wouldn't a big plus of asteroid bombardment be that they could not be destroyed en route to the target because they would just re-form under their own gravity? Unless you sniped it directly before a hit with a nuke. But triggering a nuke barely above the atmosphere introduces other problems.
>>735889231That assumes someone has the tech to move them around quickly. Which would also allow you to lob giganukes at them.We can see near-earth asteroids of relevant size coming for months.If you already had towed asteroids into orbit for mining then deorbiting them could be a fast threat, but it's one that's so obvious that it'd be treated as dual-use and would be heavily monitored. Like the mining-corp would be required to remove whatever high-thrust thing they had installed on it for example or get nuked.Nobody wants the sword of damocles hanging over their heads.
>>735886705Space isn't boring tho. But it isn't a game in itself.
>>735889071>trillionaire secretly engineers space catgirls on pluto, hidden from the eyes of Space-UN>you have to deal with the aftermath now that his ploy has been discovered
>>735889706If aliens are real and they turn out to be gross, I'll be so disappointed...
You could literally have entire civilizations on floating islands hidden inside Jupiter's outer gas layer. Don't ask me how I know about those.
>>735889508>not coating your asteroids in stealth armor
>>735890194engines to move asteroids are the opposite of stealthy
>>735885626There's nothing of note in the solar system but Las Vegas
>>735890021IDK I like the idea of it being a volatile shithole along the lines of A Meeting with Medusa
>using asteroids as weapons instead of shooting comets from the Oort cloud at relativistic speeds
Play this. It's kino.
>>735885626Outer Wilds is set inside of a solar system. As in, you have a set a amount of planets, and each planet has its own theme and features. And you explore the surfaces and the depths of each planet. It's a non-linear game, so things that you learn from one planet can help you advance on another planet. Ultimately, in order to beat the game, you have to learn all the secrets that each planet holds.What I really appreciate about this game, is that they didn't just create huge empty spaces. The world is refined, so you can quickly go from landmark to landmark. While also being just big enough to give you the big outer space feeling.
Just because you like watching videos about something doesn't mean it would make a good game
Its a cool idea but planets are just millions of miles of barren rock
>>735886705If a space game has drag in space then it's not a space game and it should kill itself.
>>735890963This image can give you an impression of the scale. That crater houses the home town. it's a large piece of the planet. You can circle the planet fairly quickly. It's not miles of empty space. And the other craters and structures you see are other landmarks. You can travel to them fairly quickly. But at the same time, you also get a space ship to fly between planets, which makes things feel pretty big atmospherically, while making things feel small gameplay wise, since you can quickly travel to the next landmark by ship.>>735891031>>735891008A solar system game already exists, and it's very fun.
>>735891136In Outer Wilds the devs simulated gravity semi-realistically. By giving each planet their own pull, and when you fly outside of their orbit, you become frictionless. It's actually funny watching new players not realize this, and step on the pedal when they're flying their ship. Thinking it's like every other game, where they have to hold down the pedal to stay in motion. But nope, once in motion, always in motion up in space. So they end up accelerating to insane speeds, and either crash hard into a planet, killing themselves, or sling past their destination as they futility try to break.
>>735891606>that moment when you realize you can't outpace the sun's pull
>people think of outer space as just an empty nothing>it's actually constantly blasted by cosmic rays, particles, planetary magnetospheres, stellar winds, etc.Wow it's even deadlier than you thought it to be possible
>>735886683Probably because it has the same fucking problem starfield had where you end up with "nasa punk" and you try to tiptoe a line if fantasy and fiction that makes an already niche genre of space games even more niche.In other words it's fucking stupid
>>735886215>gas giantsImagine the smell.
>>735892338The problem with Starfield was an utterly dysfunctional system of character progression and development that forces a grind upon you that is worse than whatever you can find in an mmo game for a change that does not constitute feasible improvements and a boring world that featured no more than a couple of randomized tilesets and only a handful of handcrafted locales. The same pirate base over and over down to the same fucking item placements.
Kino planet
>>735892446For some reason this pic reminds me of those mirrored box art memes.>SATTAS vs. NRUURN
>>735892446if i go near it will i die?
>>735892446Gas giants are just balls of gas though.
>>735886215Just go the Cowboy Bebop route and have various planets/moons terraformed or partially terraformed. It's not hard to have some creativity.
CoD Infinite Warfare was a fun sci-fi setting. No boring flying through space you just warp in, launch and get to it.
>>735886361>Water ice and liquid water are literally everywhere in the universe>Still not a single positive sign of life anywhere except Earth despite all the searching being doneWe're alone. The coincidences that have to occur to create carbon-based life are literally 1-in-infinity. It take more than just water, or being in the habitable zone, or having an atmosphere. The circumstances that allowed life to finally form on Earth are too numerous to count.
>>735886983Venus's upper atmosphere is actually the least inospitable part of the solar system beside earth, in theory you could survive there in a standard hazmat suit+oxygen supply, pressure and temperature are otherwise earth-like.
>>735893945What would be the point of colonizing Venus though? Farming carbon dioxide? Even mining the surface would be next to impossible with the heat and pressure.
>>735893929Life was born at the bottom of the ocean. That we are physiologically anal about a lot of things doesn't mean that life in general is.
>>735885626Huygen's Disclosure
I almost said that a dating sim with planets would be pretty funny, but if it's locked to ours, it would unfortunately be quite the sausage party.
>>735893929The biggest issue is that planets are extremely hard to see, since they don't emit any significant amount of light. There could be a lush green planet a couple solar systems over and we'd be completely unaware since it's practically invisible from our point of view.
i fucking love starsector
>>735891274Just finished the dlc today, enjoyed the base game a lot more since I could explore different planets whenever I got tired of one instead of flying to the same place a billion times.Still pretty interesting. Its the type of game you can really only play once since everything you unlock is knowledge.
>>735893929Will we find life under Europa?
>>735885626Simple. Because humanity has no future in which we actually travel space. We've lost hope.
>>735896370>Its the type of game you can really only play once since everything you unlock is knowledge.True. But you can live vicariously through others by watching them play for the first time. Just be mindful, and don't spoil things when they get stuck. Even a small hint may seem harmless when you say it. But for them, it can be a major revelation.
>>735890021You remember that movie Jupiter Rising? The one with Redmayne, Milia Kunis, and Channing Tatum? Already done.
>>735898834Man, that movie was aaasssss.
Is amateur astronomy fun?
>>735898325If they really thought they had a good chance of anything being there they would have sped up the missions to get a lander there that could drill through the ice. The disappointment that will be felt when there's nothing but water after they spent so many years talking it up will tank the enthusiasm the politicians have for keeping their funding high. NASA has to take in political considerations as much as they do scientific. They got to the moon because there was political inertia to beat the Russians. After that, the government lost interest and the program got cut. Things got so worn out that space shuttles started exploding and they had nothing to replace them and were forced to hitch rides on Russian rockets just to get into orbit before private interests finally stepped in.
>>735899153Investment into space from a governmental standpoint is probably like spending on culture, people really don't like it if you don't spend anything on it, but it's also kind of a bottomless pit where the direct and immediate benefits are rather unclear or not present at all and its problems tend to be more complicated than "just throw money at it until the problem is solved" anyway.
>>735885626You could make a damn good CRPG with that premise by treating habitat stations like early fallout vaults. Fuck you could isolate it to Saturn or Jupiter specifically and still have absurd amounts of legroom.
Is it just me or does picrel always look so goddamn eerie, like that shade of white just feels like it shouldn't be real but it actually is and that's creepy as fuck
>>735888856>dood what if the game world was flat and there was a big barrier around the edgethat's every video game ever made you dumb nig
>>735886361that's just an aspirin close up
>>735887085>Like, some sort of silicon valley mogul finds an incredibly useful substance on VenusWe'd probably sooner learn to synthesis it or mine it with drones than waste gazillions on trying any Avatar/Unobtanium shit
>>735899520Socialists like Bernie Sanders have said spending on space exploration is wasted when the money is needed here on Earth to give to niggers. Politics is downriver of culture. If the culture (interest) is there, then the politicians are happy to sign a check or do whatever so they can get some credit and maybe a boost in their polling numbers. Space exploration does nothing for anyone not directly involved in space programs, so it was always a fight to get funding unless there was some other political factor. Right now the only pressure is watching for deadly space rocks, because it makes people feel more secure that someone is watching. Beyond that, there's no votes to be won. Now, if unobtainium was discovered, suddenly it would be a race and money would be no object.
>>735899681For me it's that it's not just an off-white ball rendered on a black background, but something you can easily see with your own eyes, without any gear before every sunrise even though it's 237 million kilometres away right now.
>>735886361For me it's Io
>>735898325Recent studies suggest that there is not much oxygen production at the surface of Europa, that the surface may not efficiently transfer chemical elements to the ocean, and that there may not be much geological activity at the bottom of the ocean (necessary to warm it and create favourable condition to life)Generally speaking, study over the past decade of all the measurement taken by the Cassini probe before its demise show that Enceladus has appeared as a more likely to harbor life than Europa.Problem is that everybody's large probes are currently going to Jupiter (NASA's Europa Clipper, ESA's JUICE, and soon China's Tianwen 4), and, given development time and orbital mechanics, it's unlikely any new probe will study Enceladus until the 2040s.
>>735900028>acne: the planet
>>735900086What is it about Jupiter that makes it hog all the attention right now...besides Europa, of course.
>>735885626Bad writing.Game writers are genuinely awful, if you're a good enough writer a game will be made inspired by your game but if you're a game writer, your job is to take someone else's story and make it tolerable in a game.Game writers don't get to write about something they know and they're interested in, they write about what they've been told to write about. This leads to surface level research and a lack of any depth.
>>735899934yeah my queen we should not fund Columbus while we have poorhouses in spain
Why are the terrestrial planets so much closer to each other than the gas giants are to each other or the terrestrials?
>>735893929>We're alone. The coincidences that have to occur to create carbon-based life are literally 1-in-infinity. It take more than just water, or being in the habitable zone, or having an atmosphere. The circumstances that allowed life to finally form on Earth are too numerous to count.
>>735900339I'd hazard a guess is because the orbits take longer so the bodies that accumulated were larger because they could clear more of their local field.
>>735900250Humanity has by and large moved beyond the age of exploration. We just want to maintain the status quo and plod through our lives. Smoke our weed, play our games, watch our tvs, stare at our phones. Politicians aren't going to rouse us out of our comfort zones by proposing anything huge. Just tinker around the edges at best so nobody gets upset that you're spending money on space shit when you should be just handing it to them to spend on booze and pot.
>>735885626>2026>some unity project made by beaners about goofy plant people remains uncontested as the best space game
>>735893929You're never going to get any alien ass with that attitude, son.
>>735900481>smoke our weed, play our games, watch our tvs, stare at our phonesYou only want to do those things because you have no fulfilling purpose in your life. Which isn’t your fault, as society is set up to prevent you from finding that purpose. But there is no written rule that society must be the way it is today. Things will change, in time, and humanity will find life worth living, not escaping through digital dopaminergic fantasies, once again. We will explore the stars. It may be 100 years from now, or 10,000 years from now. But exploring the cosmos is our destiny.
>>735900339>>735900467http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/555473.stmReminder that Jupiter is or is likely to be responsible for the current state of every planet in the solar system. >'Gave birth' to Uranus and Neptune after they were flung outward from where Jupes and Saturn were already forming>Rampaged through the inner solar system before Saturn caught up and formed gravitational resonance and pulled Jupes back from spiraling inward>Scattered the material in the Asteroid belt, preventing a planet from forming there>Scattered the material from Mars' orbit, preventing the former from becoming large enough to retain its atmosphere>Possibly was what disturbed Theia into crashing into proto-Earth>Possibly sent whatever crashed into Mercury spiraling inward, leaving Mercury little more than its metal core after the crust was blasted off
>>735891606>It's actually funny watching new players not realize this, and step on the pedal when they're flying their ship. Thinking it's like every other game, where they have to hold down the pedal to stay in motion. But nope, once in motion, always in motion up in space.Is this really something that happens? I don't remember experiencing any uncertainty here at all. I would have thought it would be pretty intuitive for everyone. You only have to stop accelerating for a single second, or try to change direction at all, to realize you have complete inertia.
>>735885626most games use the solar system as setting
>>735900914What I mean is people aren't likely to change unless they're forced to do so. Just look at Trump and what he has motivated so many other nations to do, such as finally looking to their own defense instead of outsourcing it to the US. That never would have happened with a traditional, Establishment politician. Love him or hate him, he moved people out of their comfort zones and got freeloader countries to finally get serious after decades of just coasting along.
>>735900940Don't astronomers say that binary solar systems, like that of Sirius, are more common than ones like ours with only one star? Apparently Jupiter was supposed to be the other, smaller star, but failed to obtain enough mass to start fusion.Though there are supposedly these things called brown dwarves that have enough mass to start fusing an isotope of hydrogen but not actual hydrogen, so instead of blazing like a real star, they just glow like a lava lamp.
>>735900339I think something the size of Jupiter can simply not come into existence on say a Venus orbit.It would not 'condense' into a ball and cool off, the sun forces would rip it apart. And in that special example I am not even sure it would not be sticking half inside the sun corona already
>>735901296I'm reminded of that part from SMT Nocturne where Kagutsuchi says "My light, searing with anger, shall wipe you from existence!" if you refuse to create a new world.Wish the stars and planets could talk shit to us and each other like that.
>>735901296There are gas giants that form close to their star. They're actually referred to as 'Hot Jupiters'. But they do clear out the area around their orbit like any other gas giant, so no smaller terrestrial worlds could form unless they had enough resonance to form as a binary.
>>735887637Can the US even dunk on other countries right now? Its in a fucking state at the moment.
The coolest thing involving our solar system in a game is in Mass Effect 1 in a very specific spot if you take the Mako on the moon you can hear the Rachni chorus singing. That shit is terrifying and cool
>>735901281Though it should be noted that it's hardly like Jupiter barely missed becoming a star. It would have needed like a hundred times its current mass minimum to start fusing.
>>735901296>spoilerI love asking AI stupid ass questions sometimes btw. Guess the orbits are still larger than I imagined
>>735890194>>735890374The Expanse got retarded pretty quickly. But then the authors just wanted to shit on white people after a while so of course they made the belters dindus who commit genocide but it's okay when they do it.
>>735900205First, outer solar system mission always cost billions, generally only one can be developped at the same time by NASAIn the 2000s after a decade of study of data from the Galileo probe, NASA's first Jupiter orbiter which arrived in the 90s, and after the Euro-american Cassini-Huygens probe had arrived to Saturn, planetary scientist in America and Europe decided that the next target for a large "flagship" mission would be a more in depth study of Jupiter's moons. There was initialy a joint mission that was supposed to be launched in the late 2010s but budget cut during the financial crisis had it cancelled, and then restarted as 2 separate european and american missions, that were delayed and launched in 2023/2024 respectively and are currently on their way. Then there's also the selection of the initially lower-cost Dragonfly probe, A helicopter drone flying on Saturn's moon Titan,by NASA in 2018, it's an extremely cool mission that will be launched in 2028, but it's also significantly overbudget and takes both the budget for medium-cost interplanetary mission and the attention of most saturn system planetary scientists. There also was a recommandation by NASA a few years ago to have the next "flagship" outer solar system to Uranus, but that currently lack budget, both of these taken together means that NASA's next gas giant mission is unlikely to be toward Enceladus.As for the chinese, they have their own program whose general planning follows more a desire to sequentially prove capabilities than scientific choice, they started with lunar landing with Chang'e, then Mars and asteroid exploration with Tianwen 1-3, and after that Gas giant exploration with Tianwen 4 to Jupiter and probably 5 to Neptune, but they don't have unlimited budget so they had to make choices, and it seems they don't have anything planned for Saturn.
>>735902127Guess space exploration is doomed to remain just a dick measuring contest between empires, huh?I recently saw a lecture about ESA's Gaia, though, seemed pretty cool. Kinda surprising how poorly mapped the Milky Way is still. Not that we could put the knowledge to use right now, however.
>>735902545>Guess space exploration is doomed to remain just a dick measuring contest between empires, huh?For the time being. Eventually costs will get lower and corporations might be able to do it. I don't mind the nationalistic dick waving as long as it results in cool shit and advancing our technology though, even if the motive is retarded.
>>735902545competition drives evolution and that won't change for space
>>735885626because space as a concept is only interesting if there are fictional inhabitable planets.since most planets in our solar system are supposedly gas planets it doesn't make for an interesting setting.also, our solar system isn't real anyway. it's all a charade to make you waste time on believing that it's in fact real.I'd rather be playing in a setting with as much weird shit as possible because that makes it all interesting.
>>735902545Can't eat it, can't fuck it, nothing found out there that we can't mine at home yet.Guess it is already an accomplishment and sign we have no real worries when we are willing to think about it at all.Sad, but just how it is.
>>735902545I'm optimistic the Sino-american rivalry will help drive Lunar exploration, frankly, the chinese are much more competent than the soviet were, and the americans have a strong commercial space sector that will help them maintain capability despite congressional budget cuts, and prevent a total loss of access to the moon like after Apollo.I can't really say the same for interplanetary exploration desu. We're already seeing the american give up on Mars sample return while the chinese are doing good progress on theirs, Interplanetary mission are too long to be politically palatable, and making them crewed is too expensive.
>>735900552Reminds me that I really need to find a /vg/ thread and/or approved modlist to clean my mess of that up.Any news about KSA btw?
>>735894034That's the thing people don't get when they talk about space colonization. Colonization happens because there's an interest to be exploited. Besides science, there really isn't a point to going to settling in space.Most promising spots are the Moon, for rocket turnaround (think Gateway but actually useful) and the asteroid belt for its resources. Both are still ways of technologically and economically.
>>735902001you don't need AI for that though. you can just look at wikipedia>diameter of the sun>orbit of venus>diameter of jupiter
>>735893929There are 2 trillion galaxies with 100s of billions of stars with billions of planets. To think we are the only life in the universe is wrong. I belive we are in a region of space where life is extremely rare but there are other parts of the universe where life is common.With our current technology we can't observe planets in distant galaxies well enough to do a spectra analysis or observe any signs of life. We can't even detect radio waves from distant galaxies so even if ayys were sending out radio signals we wouldn't be able to detect them.
>>735900028Potato moon
>>735900028For me too
>>735903951Three searches vs one for some idle musing
Do you think white holes exist?
>>735904331not enough time has passed for stellar black holes to evaporate.maybe if primordial ones exist, but I think they would have been noticed on gammaray surveys.
>>735903643It's at least another 2 years and 2 weeks away. They've got some basic shipbuilding and flying. You can download demo.
>>735890021...Contra?
>>735904331We would be able to observe them if they did seen as they are theoretically the opposite of black holes and would be throwing out matter.
I'm partial to hanging around Sol in Erectile Dysfunction >>735890963Lovely little game, bramble is pure horror
>>735901436correct me if i'm wrong but don't those form further out and migrate inwards. because wouldn't solar wind and other solar activity prevent that much material building up over such a long time
>>735885626https://x.com/rocket2guns/status/2029519138717356248
>>735904483Meh. Well, that is better than ded at least. thx.
>>735905447For whatever reason they're not following KSP trajectory of starting with campaign-like gameplay followed by adding all the bells and whistles. I remember playing KSP campaign before they even had proper drag/thermodynamics that would kill you if you went down too quickly. They have quite a lot in there though, so the two years will mostly be polish and optimisation. You might get a game sooner.
>>735885626It is familiar but it doesn't have to beThe problem is that sci-fi as a genre has been infested with fucking Nerds who care more about "hard sci-fi" heckin' realism than having an interesting settingThere's nothing stopping people from going back to pre-60s conventions where you could imagine anything you wanted, but you'd have fucking nerds going "um... you know it's not really like that, right?"You can't have Martians and rainforests, everything has to be colony habitats and "terraforming" (which is just as fake and gay as any space fantasy but nerds love it because it's heckin' SCIENTIFIC)
>>735906172You can have bioengineered people that solves the issue. You can even make them green or red and have photosynthesis be a hundred times more effective (which was an actual scientific founding, plants fell into a local maxima) to actually support the oxygen needs. It wouldn't even be too far out of hard sci-fi. The nerds are boring, we used to have cooler nerds.
>>735900339The inner planets are much smaller, so they could establish a stable orbit closer togetherThe structure of the Solar System is largely governed by Jupiter in the inner system and Neptune on the edges (but there are many objects far beyond the reach of Neptune, bound only by the Sun)
>>735906172>that horizonAbsolutely pissening.
>>735903946I'm not going to fact check but I think Mercury is supposed to be rather mineral rich as well. Might be a better target than asteroids.Also I recently learned that there's this thing called libyan glass that the ancient egyptians used for jewelry that's created when meteorites impact sand hard enough to instantly turn it into glass.
>>735907667Piss filters were all the rage back in the olden days of video games. You wouldn't understand.>>735906850Yeah last time I was reading about it, the true extent of the solar system is believed to be halfway to alpha centauri. There's possibly bodies there that could be used for resource extraction on the way there.
>>735907961I watched something that explained that getting into orbit with Mercury is damnably tricky due to its small size and how close it is to the Sun. Orbiters have to loop around numerous times, using gravity breaking by passing the Earth and even Jupiter to slow down enough to get any sort of stable orbit.
>that harvard astronomy professor who unironically started to shill "UFOs lol" for lecture cash and book salesIs academia a joke?
>>735908484has been for a while, unfortunately
>>735908401I'm pretty sure it being small, is actually less important. Starting from Earth, it takes more energy to drop into the Sun than it does to escape the solar system. So the looping around is basically to fly in front of Mercury get dragged the other way so that your orbit gets smaller on the other end that is still past the inner planets.This works both ways and you couldn't use Mercury for an assist going back to Earth, only real solution is a semi-permanent base for extraction/processing with ion engine barges that take forever to get there but are spaced so that regular shipments start past a certain point once they start arriving.
Every game that takes place on earth takes place in the solar system.
>>735908782According to that logic every game that takes place in our universe is a space game.
Space isn't interesting. Its not the 1990s, get a fucking job.
>>735906850i want to see hildas system
I loved when destiny (one) did this but it really jumped the shark as a series.
>>735893929What I find strange about life is that for like 80 percent of its existence it didn't develop anything more complex than the mold growing on stale cheese. And life on Earth as we know it only came about in the cambrian. That we went from oogabooga apes to the intrepid argonauts of outer space in like 2 million years is also nothing short of a miracle.
>>735908717Going towards the Sun does give more speed, but Mercury doesn't have the drag to slow things down significantly. That's why it's tricky.>Orbiting Mercury requires intense energy reduction to overcome the Sun's gravity, making it one of the hardest targets in the solar system. It requires a long, complex journey using multiple gravity assists from Venus or Mercury itself to reduce velocity, alongside a massive delta-v capability for final capture, as aerobraking is not possible. Key Steps for Orbiting Mercury:Massive Energy Change: A spacecraft traveling to Mercury constantly accelerates due to the Sun’s gravity, requiring it to lose enormous velocity to be captured by Mercury.Gravity Assists: Missions like BepiColombo and MESSENGER use multiple flybys of Venus and Mercury to gradually lower their orbital velocity over several years.No Aerobraking: Because Mercury lacks a significant atmosphere, traditional aerobraking to slow down is not an option. Retroboosters must be used to enter orbit.Optimal Approach: A common approach is launching into a Hohmann transfer orbit, using multiple flybys, and performing high-burn maneuvers at Mercury's periapsis (closest point to the sun) to stabilize into orbit.Surviving the Heat: Spacecraft require specialized thermal protection to withstand temperatures near the Sun
>>735909176Life spent about a billion years completely transforming the entire planet by flooding it with oxygen, which is what allowed more complex life (like the cheese mold) to evolve
>>735893929Life started the literal instant there was liquid water on the surface. Like it happened automatically when water, amino acids and shit mixed together and the planet was no longer on fire. The universe is probably teeming with life that we can't see
>>735909217Orbit -> landing requires very little energy.>going towards the sun gives more speedNo, you need to lose speed to reduce orbit. Stop reading AI output that's half wrong and play Kerbal Space Program. It would unironically give you intuition into why it's so hard.>overcome the Sun's gravityOnce you're in Mercury's gravity well you don't need to overcome Sun's gravity, but Mercury's.
>>735909929Hadean Earth must have been pretty cool, though.
>>735886705Bingo space is a horrible setting if its not about colonizing or war
>>735909929>Like it happened automatically when water, amino acids and shit mixed together and the planet was no longer on fire. And shit's common too, we found the basic building blocks of life in asteroids going around the solar system. It seems that the only thing necessary is time and the right temperature.And still we haven't found alien life, though we haven't looked nearly enough.
>>735887940You can create some kind of floating islands with blimps on Venus and at 50km over the surface, the atmosphere and pressure are Earth-like, then put trees on these islands and wait a few hundred thousand years.
>>735910447Earth has a magnetosphere that protects any emerging life against radiation.
>>735892446Where are the ducks?
>>735911648>magnetosphereMAG-FUCKIN'-NETOOH HE'S SO PRINGLES, WHERE YO CURLEH MUSTACHE AT
>>735911949HES HITTIN YOU WITH SICILY NIGGA THE MIDDLE OF ITALY
>>735909176>hat we went from oogabooga apes to the intrepid argonauts of outer space in like 2 million years is also nothing short of a miracle.That never happened. We were never "ooga booga" apes..
>>735911648The entire surface of the earth and the upper 30 meters or so of the ocean were literally sterilized by UV rays until microbes oxygenated the atmosphere
>>735912425>what are cosmic rays>what is solar windSome particles penetrate deep into the crust or any surface waters. Life isn't possible when molecules are constantly broken apart or electrons are stripped from them.
>>735912986Conditions were even less hospitable then and yet it happened anyway
>>735885626The only time I've seen this done well in scifi was Cowboy Bebop. It all takes place in the solar system. They've colonized Mars and Venus and a few moons like Ganymede and Callisto. Yet it still feels like interstellar scifi because they're using hyperspace gates and shit.
>>735885626because its actually not interesting and people like you just demand more and more realism which eventually depletes the sense of wonder, adventure, and fun that a game is trying to create for the player. For example every time we depict space in fiction its full of wonderful colors and endless possibility. Thats the fantasy, its unknown so anything is possible, and that results in an intended sense of wonder. But if you apply realism its just a bunch of empty literal nothing, theres no wonderful colors, theres no backdrop of stars mostly, its literally just blank nothing. And maybe thats appeasing for you because it demands such technical perfection and skill from the characters that they need to survive, they would have to be highly intelligent like you no doubt see yourself, but thats not fun. Games try to AVOID endless patches of mindless continous travel across long distances, most players deem fast travel literally necessary or they wont engage with an open world, they try to scatter stuff so walking in any one direction for 5mins+ results in fun encounters, but you literally LITERALLY want stretches of 1 hour+ travel where its a straight line of endless black nothing, and you want to pat yourself on the back for enjoying that because its so realistic bro its like the real vastness of space bro its so heckin sick and realistic!!!11!
>>735912101shhh youre disrupting his religion
>>735906172>>735913457What drives people to make such assumptions about Hard SF? Was it starfield? todd's vision is not at all what the genre is.
>>735909176We're really not that different from the oogabooga apes.The biggest difference between us is language. Enabling us to transfer knowledge effectively and work in large groups.Because they don't spend their mental faculties on language, chimps are way better than us at tasks involving short term memory.
>>735914080Its not a false assumption I literally just read the threads and derive a conclusion from the way you morons talk and share what you perceive to be insights about astronomy. Your fascination is not with potential gameplay and story possibilities, these threads are not about video games, its literally the nerd version of gooner threads that pretend to be about a video game topic.
>>735908484Avi Loeb? I hate that faggot. He's constantly on John Michael Godier's channel single handedly destroying both men's reputation while the comments are filled with retards and crazy people spouting utter nonsense.
Even if aliens are real no government would tell us because it would cause a global panic.
>>735914920Maybe fifty years ago, but now it's probably to protect the aliens from everyone who wants to fuck them.
>>735914920they are fine with telling us actually because no one gives a fuck if it doesnt effect the purchase of groceries and gas and we cant even tell whats real anymore due to AI. its literally not a debate or speculation they are literally telling us now through actual normal political officials not crackpots not 'whistleblowers' and no one gives a fuck we no longer have to speculate 'oh how will people handle it what will happen' its being 'revealed' now and no one cares, it doesnt matter. They could show alien infantry coming down from a star ship and mowing down civilians and still we would say its ai, crisis actors, men in suits, special effects, and the subset of people who do accept them as real invaders wont matter, they wont do anything, no one cares.
>>735915101Those damn alien bastards are real. The government confirmed it. What the fuck?Why don't I feel anything? Is it just because I'm so used to hearing new headlines supposedly confirming the existence of aliens?Or maybe they just aren't a sufficient enough distraction from the crushing weight of an unsustainable economy.How the hell can I care? Are they gonna help me pay rent? I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna put food on the table this month! What, the government found little space guys but can't find me a goddamn healthcare plan? The King wants to own a home one day! Are those damn alien bastards gonna help make that a reality?Are those damn alien bastards gonna help rebuild this broken housing market?I wonder if they're as old as our geriatric leadership. Or are they even real?I gotta tell ya, I've believed aliens are real my whole life. Until the government said it. Now I'm not so sure.You can keep your damn alien bastards. I got work in the morning.
>>735915513true and the can eat my bullets if they got anything more to say, alien fuckers.
>>735914920>it would cause a global panicWould it though? I mean if governments have known about aliens for like 50 years at this point and nothing has happened, is it really a big deal?It would be a big news story and everyone would talk about the aliens, but would anyone really panic?Surely it would be better to get the public used to the idea of aliens to avoid panic if something actually impactful happened with them.
>>735900028I am Io
It's because we know the solar system kind of sucks, and somewhere else might not suck.
>>735914080There's nothing wrong with authors and artists making hard sci-fi, the issue is audiences becoming pedantic nerds and holding sci-fi/space media to a standard of hard realism regardless of the intent of the work. Other genres don't have to put up with marketers bringing in fucking Niel deGrasse Tyson to go "um, actually" to nitpick your work and have this be perceived as a deficiency.
>>735893929>Laughing berserker drone pointed directly at you. You wish this was true. Great Silence theory blast.
>>735915608sex with little green women
>>735885626Terra Invicta just came out, dude.4X about aliens invading(?) Earth, and a conflict between different shadow governments who each have conflicting ideas on how to handle it.Some want to subject us to vassalage, some want to try and be peers to the aliens, some want to fight the aliens and compromise nothing, one faction just wants to get the fuck out of the solar system.All the player factions are literally some form of illuminati. The early game loop (that continues until the end of the game) is subverting nations to siphon resources into your illuminati's agenda. Later into the game you all jumpstart humanity's science with salvaged alien tech, and take the fight to space, against the aliens and each other.I like the idea but I didn't play it myself. At least not yet.
>>735916973Isn't Neil deGrasse Tyson considered a bit...casualized for the hardcore crowd? I've seen people dunk on him and Michio Kaku for exaggerating or casualizing astronomy and cosmology far beyond the limit where it is still more or less sound scientifically.
>>735892385Unironically a very powerful smell of rotten eggs.Titan would smell like a gasoline leak in a fuel station as it's filled with hydrocarbons.Uranus and Neptune have the highest concentration of hydrogen sulfide, they're unironic fart balls floating in space.Jupiter and Saturn also have ammonia so they'd smell like an industrial farm
>>735893037Recently, this has been proven to be wrong. They do have a surface.
>>735917475it doesnt matter literally the point is you all kneel to appeal to authority and its just a matter of time until your favorite becomes the next discredited "tyson"
>>735909929It was a lightning strike that gave the great soup the spark of life.
>>735888475just make an extendable space elevator that connects the planets. EZ
>>735917663Bummer. Neptune looks like it would smell good, like fabric softener.
>>735917663>Titan would smell like a gasoline leak in a fuel station as it's filled with hydrocarbons.So it would smell like nothing?>>735906850Fuck I thought this was an Aurora 4X screenshot.
>>735917861uh, gasoline has a smell
>>735885626X4 Foundations has the entire solar system if you have the Terran DLC. It's kinda unique in that (earth) humans are the most advanced species in the known universe. They're also very isolationist so it takes time before they trust you enough to let you even see earth.
>>735917663>Uranus smells like fartHOW DID THEY KNOOOOW?!
>>735917982Sounds like that game severely underestimates the human lust for new sexual experiences.
>>735910012>Play this video game to get the truthI must admit I have my doubts
>>735885626There are more than a few banned plot settings. One obvious one is solipsism, you won’t find any games where everybody is the same person except for you. That’s an easy and obvious one, it’s actually just illegal to make a story about that. Space settings have to be very serious looking to make it into games, because of their associations with things you don’t need to know.
>>735918106Give it a shot,srsly
>>735886361>in the future, you are banished here if you haven't had sex by the time you are 7
>>735909037still more interesting than seeing your line go up, moshee
>>735917982Its very based, just focused a lot on the economy of things. I feel like more autists would like it, it checks a lot of boxes other games lack.
>>735918106It is a good enough simulation for (((You))) to get an intuition. You can't trust me, but you can verify me.
>>735892446Gas giants scare me. I get all shivery just looking at them for too long and trying to grasp just how fucking huge they are. Plus, when I was a kid, I had a dream where the Earth started to be pulled into Jupiter. Seeing Jupiter grow bigger and bigger on the horizon made me so scared that I woke up.
>>735919774>I get all shivery just looking at them for too long and trying to grasp just how fucking huge they are.That's how I feel when I look at YO MAMA! HA GOTTEM LITTLE BITCH!
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>>735919774Anon, the ring crossing happened 30 years ago, get over it.
>>735919774it probably did happen in one lifetime
>>735919774Imagine the smell
>>735885626Warframe and Quasimorph are set in the Solar System but in an interesting way. Warframe has some weird moons alongside the main planets, and Quasimorph has demonic plains of existence associated with each planet.
>>735921932>>735922228Brrrr. This kind of shit scares me more than any horror movie. Don't videos like this make you feel at least a little uneasy?
>>735923064I know the kind of dread you're talking about and such videos can set it off, but it heavily depends on my mood.The scariest shit doesn't have nice visuals though. Rogue black holes. Won't see them coming and then suddenly earth releases a fraction of its gravitational binding energy and everyone is dead.
You guys do realise that a truly accurate space game is impossible, right? There's no up or down in space and most of is miles of nothingness. Even if you know where you're going, space travel would be extremely boring, even if you filled up the dead air with asteroids. Then there's the fact that planets move and light can be blocked nearby satellites, so you'd be flying blind a lot of the time. There are just too many factors that make it a terrible game experience. That's why anybody who attempts it, simply copy how planes function and simplify the take away control when landing or leaving a planet. It just cannot be done with the technology we have.
>>735903971On top of how big it is, the universe also billions of years old, and will continue to exist for billions of years after earth is dead. Even if alien life doesn't exist "now" there's a very high chance it existed in the past, or will exist in the future.
>>735923940>if we don't make space games interesting space won't be interestingYes, retard.
>>735923940I had my own fun just messing around with Space Engine and that's a simulator, not a game. It's up to game devs to make space games fun, since being able to freely explore is already fun by itself.
>>735922620Wasn't there a theory of Saturn being our sun 7000 years ago?
>genuinely think we faked the moon landing due to the tensions of the cold war and needing america and democracy to be the "winners" for "history" books. >immediate reaction is ""hurr you're a flat earther flat earther fucking chud anti science trumper" >these same people say word for word "government lies about everything" yet in their mind they wouldn't lie about space. why? i dont understand?
>>735926213Apollo landing sites have been photographied by Soviet, Chinese, Indian probes, the soviet also had plenty of radar and satellites that could track the Apollo missions. Your first point doesn't make any sense.
>>735923940There are people who can navigate their way back to earth from distant galaxies in space engine through sheer autistic power, so you are a little bit wrong, but only because that kind of gameplay would be inaccessible for 99% of gamers
>>735926213The space program for both countries was undeniably real. The race to the Moon was largely an American endeavor set by President Kennedy and accomplished by his successors, the Soviets were not as eager to pursue it and their lunar program was both secretive and a complete shitshow. If the Apollo program was falsified, it would have been easily provable and the Soviets would have disputed it to humiliate the US.Usually when you guys have to explain the undeniable evidence that we have been to the Moon you say "well Apollo 11 was fake but we really went later."I don't really understand the rationale behind denying the first Moon landing but accepting that it happened for real half a dozen other times just a few months later.
>>735926213Because both the Soviets and the Chinese verified it you fucking moron. Not only that, but we didn't have the technology available to fake it. Plus everything about the apollo program and gemini program is extremely well documented.
>>735886215>believing high school science shitLmfao. They can't even see the flag on the moon and you think they can tell if there is life or not on Io? Scientoids are the biggest bullshitters on the planet. >there's no life in this one tiny place we landed our retarded robot? That means there is no life at all!>we don't think there's oxygen here? Well clearly there is no life because all life must be just like earth life!>we dont see any radio signals like we use on earth (despite being unable to see something on the moon)? There's no life at all!!!
>>735926213The moon landing conspiracy is a psyop designed to derail and discredit skeptics who might otherwise get too close to the truth on issues that actually matter. Like the flat earth, most people consider it so outrageously retarded that they automatically disregard anything you else you have to say about things that actually matter. Cianiggers made it up to keep you confused and looking like an idiot
>>735885626Callisto protocol and star field just happened to suck
>>735926213The government lies about everything. But they really pulled this one off.I recommend going into the wealth of published documents to see what they were working with, how they solved problems, and how surprisingly simple it really is of a feat. It just needed a lot of time, money, and more relaxed safety standards.One of my favorite smart things about the landing missions is that they all went on a "free return" trajectory. If the engines ever failed anywhere on the way to the Moon, the astronauts would effectively just "fall" back down to Earth, instead of veering off beyond the Earth-Moon system or getting stuck in lunar orbit to starve and die. Any other way, and they'd have no way home if the engines failed.It's a miracle how nobody has died on or near the Moon. The farthest death was still in the neighborhood of Earth.
again during the cold war, were disinformation or misinformation was even higher than now? how do we know it was those places actually confirmed that and not simply baseless statements our government said cause "trust us bro" there is so many variables to consider, especially with how people at the time would react in government about it if people didn't believe. instead of simply scoffing or simply dismissing those people as quacks they would react violently against accusations such reaction tells me you have something to hide.
>>735927215Io is maybe the worst example you could have chosen, it's exposed to the frigid vacuum of space and melting from getting its balls squeezed by Jupiter at the same time, and also getting fucking microwaved by the turbo radiation belts created by its volcanoes interacting with Jupiter's magnetic field. Absolutely nothing could ever survive there, it's worse than Venus.
>>735928213The Apollo 11 landing was broadcasted live to over 600 million people more than 60 years ago and there is absolutely zero credible evidence disputing that it happened.Practicing skepticism is not being a knee-jerk contrarian to any statement from authority or consensus, it's considering the evidence and making your own reasonable judgement.
>>735887632no
>>735885626People simply don't have enough IQ to make an interesting version of it. I will call space sci-fi then interesting when there is a Chinese Ganymede or Russian para-terraformed side valley of the Hellas crater. Not any time before.Expanse is the epitome of worldbuilding slop.
>>735928213Why would countries that have an active interest in discrediting the US go along with the US's deception, exactly? Why would the whole world want people to believe we put a foot on a big dead ball of dust?
>>735894034Probably deuterium. Venus has plenty of it and in theory Venus has things going for it that could make deuterium refinement much more efficient than on Earth. High purity deuterium is worth quite a bit per kg, so there's a possible timeline where Venus deuterium is worth harvesting if a bunch of things go right. Mostly relatively affordable delivery to Earth, fusion breakthroughs creating deuterium demand, and long-term solutions for dealing with atmospheric corrosion.
>>735885626play more fucking games you stupid fucking retard
>>735887556No one gets excited about a robot doing exploring, especially not after touchdown.If you want to industrialize space, lack of public attention is a barrier.
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>>735928431So the soientists say. But they have never been there. They just look at it with a shitty telescope that can't see shit and make up bullshit likw they always do.>because of the ughhhhh... red shift... this planet clearly objectively and 100% does not have atmosphere, water or life. >Source? Dude are you a science denier?????
>>735930942I could post pictures of Io from the cameras that we sent 400 million miles away to get better pictures, but you would just call them fake and gay and waste everyone's time being a retardHere's the flag on the Moon by the way
>>735932094lmao
>>735932419>Trump wanted to annex Greenland to have a film set for upcoming Mars expeditionsAt last I truly see.
>>735930806>This is the world Bungie jewed us out of just so they could waste 5 billion dollars of Sony's moneyIt's a cruel joke
>>735903971>I can't prove they exist, but you can't prove aliens DON'T exist eithersame with god really
>>735885626>KSP244 replies and only 2 hits in the same postfuck. the game is amazing, give it a try.i managed to pull off a moon mission with 30 parts and tier 5 tech.
>>735930806>>735930715>live service slopkys
>Santa Claus: fake>Space: realwhy are we like this?
>>735901485You're coping, poorly
>>735932873If life exists on one planet, and there are a trillion planets in the galaxy, and uncountable other galaxies in the universe, then it is certain that life exists in some other place and timeThe argument that life exists on Earth and nowhere else is more absurd than the opposite
>>735932094>best picture looks like this>he thinks we can somehow magically detect lifeforms or even the atmosphere on places outageously further awayTrust the hecking science thoughScience status : fucking loved
>>735935242This specialized telescope to observe the atmospheres of other stars was built in 1898You have a thousand times more knowledge at your fingertips than the men who built this saw in their entire lives, but you choose to be an obstinate retard
>>735934856>why are we like this?There are thousands of morons and retards (Read: /pol/faggots) that are convinced the earth is flat for the last 8 years.
>>735903450Given chinese "competence" in the last 60 years has mostly been about stealing, poaching, and being given shit by idiots who misjudged their culture, I'd be cautious about that optimism myself. We've already seen signs of that "foundation" starting to show its limits.Say what you want about the ruskies, but at least their shit was - mostly - developed and expanded on in-house.
>Yeah man, Jupiter and Saturn are just big balls of gas, there's nothing else there, crazy right?>What's that? No we've never been, it just looks cloudy in the pictures, so obviously there's no surface under there. It would totally kill you instantly by approaching it by the way, that's why we've never been>Evidence? Haha yeah man dude Bill Nye!
>>735885626Scifi fans are more risky to work with because they're usually pretty loyal to a brand. Fantasy fans on the other hand are usually more interested in the idea of fantasy settings and the repeating stereotypes and make much easier buyers/fans.That, and in addition to the fact that designing maps is one of the harder parts of game design and putting together a solar system requires you to make a new map for every planet unless you do something like Starsector and just don't have planet maps at all.
>>735935590Yeah, observe little blips of light and then pretend that they can totally tell that there's no water there right? Because HOLY SHIT DUDE THE RED SHIFT HOLY SHIT I WILL NOW EXTRAPOLATE EVERY UNRELATED CONJECTURE I CAN THINK OF PURELY BASED ON THIS
>>735935751We've sent probes you retard. We crashed the fuckers into both to confirm. Oh lemme guess, probes are fake and multiple government agencies around the world, some of whom hate each others guts, are all unified in this one schizo conspiracy. A conspiracy I might add that is so unbelievable large and one that would involve hundreds of thousands of people keeping perfect total secrecy.
>>735885626>Is it too familiar to be truly fantastic?Yes, and we know too much of it to make good fiction in it>lets make it on mercury/venusYeah, good luck with that pressure+cancer>lets make it on saturn/jupiter/neptune/uranusCool fucking "fake" planet made mostly of gasThe only semi-believable place to do something in is Mars, which is done to death, so its better for most SCI-FI to fuck off to another galaxy where they can pretend there is a bunch of different flavored earths conveniently close to each other to explore instead of another planet we KNOW that we cant explore.
>>735935919>We lost contact with the probes, that means there's no surface and its made entirely of gas! Nothing else could POSSIBLY have happened to our shitty probe, SCIENCE IS INFALLIBLE. TRUST THE FUCKING SCIENCE
>>735935824Its basic spectrograph. I did that shit in middle school. You run the light through a filter and match the colors to whats in the light.
>>735935721>in-houseDidn't they steal German scientists for the rockets and American research documents for their nukes anyway?
>>735936074Science isn't infallible. That's the whole point of the scientific method. And those probes sent radio waves and lasers into the gas giants to see if there was a surface. I trust the nerds with bookshelves full of research papers more than you and your shitty infographs you get from facebook.
>>735935751Isaac Newton was able to accurately estimate the mass of Jupiter over 300 years ago following basic principle of physics that were established 100 years before thatYour Reddit meltdown only demonstrates that you're an ape smearing shit on the walls compared to people who literally shit in a pot
>>735936107Yeah and your middle school science is clearly capable of detecting advanced alien lifeforms hundreds of trillions of miles away right? You havw to be a gullible retard to believe that we have the ability to detect anything of serious note even within our solar system. Its all a bunch of bullshit to keep the money flowing in to these shitty universities and orgs. No, we can't detect the makeup of an exoplanets atmosphere. No, we can't tell what the temperature there is. We can't even detect that they're actually there, we just have grifters claiming its there because some phenomena they saw can be explained by their favorite pet theory with enough bullshit mathematics. Wake me up when a human being is there to prove it. Otherwise fuck off with the nonsense.
>>735936331>Yeah and your middle school science is clearly capable of detecting advanced alien lifeforms hundreds of trillions of miles away rightI mean it might have. We found dimethylsulfide in the atmosphere of an exoplanet pretty recently.>You havw to be a gullible retard to believe that we have the ability to detect anything of serious note even within our solar systemYou can detect the fact Saturn has rings with a $100 telescope.
>>735893929arnt the science hippies saying sugar molecules can form on aesteroids now?
>>735927419There is a paper from the CIA that was foia'd that outright states that the current resurgence of fe belief is thanks to them shilling it online as a proof of concept for population manipulation. The general idea is if you can get enough people to believe something that bronze age man could disprove with shadows then anything is possible with the right amount of effort. And it worked.
>>735936901My tax dollars hard at work...
>>735937008You should get used to it, this was from the late 80s when there were still laws in place that technically provided some level of shielding from their reach into media and culture, now there are essentially none.
>>735937063I grow tired of these unconstitutional psychopaths doing whatever the hell they want with no oversight. I grow tired of putting up with this shit in general. If I get the money for it, I'm out.
>>735885626Warframe does. In fact one of its main story threads is that despite having technology verging on magic, FTL is still relatively recent(as well as janky as fuck) and they haven't managed to do any better than getting to Tau Ceti. There's also no known alien life, aside from some flower-like things on a moon in that system(the jury's still out on the setting's version of the Hivemind Swarm). Aside from those points, the game takes place on planets/moons in the Solar system.
>>735937510Warframe's setting is cool I just wish it wasn't attached to GaaS nonsense.
>>735885626There's already a game that shows you how to make going to different planets fun. It's called Kirby Super Star - Milky Way Wishes.
>>735903971Our galaxy is estimated at a bit over 80,000 light years in diameter when viewed from above. The thinner parts at the edge are around 1000LY thick, and 8000 near the center. This gives our galaxy a from-above surface area of about 5.02 billion light years. Feel free to do the math on the thickness too if you like. Spitballing into the wind you can at a minimum multiply that 5.02 by 1000, so we're talking over five trillion light years.Now let's talk about FTL. We don't have it. We have no examples of it. We have only theories that exist nowhere other than in math, which even if we could turn them into something real call for an amount of energy that doesn't exist in the entire known universe. We'll start at rock-bottom, the speed of light. I'm going to make some assumptions and simplifications here, like we have scanning tech that's good out to one LY. We'll also call your center point the middle of a 2x2x2 grid of light year ranges. Take our big fuck-off area and divide it by eight. Getting a full a look at our whole galaxy would require over 627 billion years of travel time at the speed of light.You get to divide that by however many ships you send out, but the furthest points still have to be reached in the first place. Sol is located about halfway out from the core which equals a journey of 60k years to reach the far side. There's maybe some detection hand-waving we could do, but the travel speed is still the main limiting factor. Think about it. Given what was just said, if you could go 1000 times the speed of light, scouting(much less real exploration) our galaxy would still take over 6000 years. Finally, keep in mind the sheer distance between this galaxy and the next one. Good luck with that.Barring a method of at-will instant travel to anywhere at any distance or being able to push our FTL even higher(5k, 10k times, etc), we're not going to find anyone, and no one is going to find us, unless we were already extremely close to each other.
>>735934846Warframe is the least live service of all live services.
Theres tons of stuff set in the solar system, like on Mars, various moons or space stations orbiting planets. Obviously you cant be on gas giants and asteroids or spherical objects like Pluto arent interesting enough for a whole game.Now this often results in stuff like Callisto Protocol where youre on Callisto in name but it could be any generic boring survival horror facility.What do people like OP expect?
>>735938576Neptune is a planet of nothing but water with a lot of clouds, Jupiter is a planet-wide suburb of Bespins, Mars is the middle east in space, Venus is a jungle world, Mercury is Death Valley in space, Saturn is a space sports hub, and nobody comes to Uranus.
>>735905703good. most important part is the physics, everything else is secondary
>What no probe to your favorite planet in 50 years does to an MF.
>>735886705I like how “experts” of a species that has never been outside its own solar system, in a universe with trillions of galaxies somehow determined:>space is boring
>>735887556So they can brag about diversity.
>>735938803>neptune is nothing but wateranother reason getting old sucks: a whole new generation of retarded kids saying the same or new dumb shit.the cycle of stupidity
>>735939146Name one game that has at least 5 fleshed out planets.
>>735939194gonna be funny when the rocket explodes on the launch pad
>>735939272Should've done an extra needful on the fuel line checks.
>>735939194The ground crew should also be minorities in case something goes wrong. Wouldn't want whites to come to the rescue.
>>735893929You are a fucking dope. Do you know how big a telescope would have to be to see an extrasolar planet in any detail? We can only infer the size and composition of their atmospheres by the alteration of their sun's light.
>>735939194>and a canadianWow, the west truly has fallen.
>>735939250Ratchet & Clank
>>735939038Mogged by a natural beauty
colonize murcurysend robots to murcurymine the fuck out of murcuryturn murcury into the factory of the solar systembuild a rail system on murcury to send materials into orbit and back to earth
>>735938803neptune produces its own internal heat through unknown means
>>735939640Frogs are from space. The reason they can hop so well is to allow them to leap between planets.
>>735939640Mercury would make a nice prison planet.
>send hardcore machinery to venus>it sucks up CO2 and turns it into limestone bricks>do that until 95% of the atmosphere is gone>send robots next>they start building a new rome with all the white bricks>humans move in, living the good lifeuntil 200 years later when the entire planets erupts in volcanos
>>735939875your post reminded me of thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyph_DZa_GQ
>>735886659So this aesthetic also died with it?
>>735893423Gundam sans mecha
>>735893945
>>735900028Enjoy your life being on a moon that’s basically like standing in front of a unshilded nuclear reactor
>>735900940That would mean next to Sol, it’s the second oldest celestial body?
>>735939919Hypothetically, that shit hole planet should just be used as one giant energy source to power off-planet civs.
>>735940805reactors spew neutronsio is showered with ionsnot bad, but not great
>>735940941that's mercurylots of sunshine and slow rotationlots of metal
>>735904494
>>735910040It looked like our concept of Hell, hence the name.
>>735913210>be Olympus Mons>be about the size of Texas>be mogged by a city 4x your sizeNo sense of scale
>>735941167the history of earth and life's role in shaping it (to the best of our knowledge) is insane and super interestingi'm a carboniferous guy, myself
>>735914920This, no matter how “prepared” the context of fiction allows, the reality we would not be top of the chain would build a existential threat that would break the human psyche.
>>735917705Under 4000000x the pressure of what we are feeling right now
>>735917837Try smelling it when the wind is blowing into your nose at Mach 1.8
>>735939194Haven't there been quite a lot of women in space already?Also lol at canadians being in the same category as women and POC
>>735941167I know, that's why I thought it was cool. Literal Hell on Earth.
>>735940805>>735940958so are you dying or not
>>735885626Why does this simple image give me a deep feeling of unease? If I look too long at images of Saturn or Jupiter it invokes a sense of passing out. I don't like it.
>>735934856Control
>>735941717oh, you're fucking dying on io alright
>>735893929>>Water ice and liquid water are literally everywhere in the universeThe thing you're forgetting is that the universe is 99.9% empty space. Andromeda Galaxy is closest to us and would take around 2.5-million years to reach, even at the speed of light. That's basically 2,500,000 years of void between us and Andromeda.
>>735941717Does the ice shield Europa's waters at all against being sterilized by radiation?
>>735941841every star you can resolve with the naked eye is located in the milkywayi think andromeda can be seen as a glow, but one can't make out the stars in it
>>735941902yes, water is an excellent shielding material
>>735941902water/ice is a good shield, and even if it wasn't, the surface ice is thicker than the mariana trench is deep, so yeah
>>735937193Me me me
>>735885626There is no life on the other planets unless you want some boring space colonization game
>>735942052Is that also why life could emerge at the bottom of the ocean even though the Earth had no real atmosphere to speak of at the time?
>>735893945well you go ahead and get started on your perpetual motion flying machine
>>735942109hydrothermal vents are like natural organic chemistry labs
>>735893116the issue is that muh realism fags get in the way because any major kind of terraforming is financially/energetically unviable to do so you're now intrinsically leaning into a more fantastic setting and at that point why not just have livable planets first?
>>735935164>trying to make an argument for probability with no sample sizek
Thoughts?>It is hypothetically possible that life exists under the icy crust of Jupiter's moon Europa, though there is no direct evidence yet. Europa is considered a prime candidate for extraterrestrial life due to a global subsurface ocean of liquid water, potential hydrothermal activity, and necessary chemical ingredients. >Key Considerations for Life on Europa: Subsurface Ocean: Scientists believe a 60-mile-deep, global liquid water ocean lies beneath a 10–20 mile thick ice shell. Essential Ingredients: The ocean is believed to contain key life elements (carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, sulfur).>Potential Energy Sources: Tidal heating from Jupiter's gravity could produce heat and enable hydrothermal vents on the seafloor, providing energy for life.
>>735887253The only intelligent person ITT
>>735902545better than direct warfare
Why does the march of science seem so unimpressive compared to the last century? I can't really think of any true gamechangers from the last two decades.>inb4 smartphoneslol
>>735942381>AI>Robotics>James Webb Launch
>>735942381because you're a midwit consumer unironically
>>735942381everything's been downstream of electricity
>>735893929>>The coincidences that have to occur to create carbon-based life are literally 1-in-infinityLet's see:>Supernova purging life close by are a major issue>Just need to be in the super boonies of your galaxy, effectively meaning 99% of all stars are not in the habitable zone>Hard mode: be like the Sun - in the normal boonies but constantly over/undershooting the disk vertically (mass extinction from Nova nearly each time it cross)>Need your rocky planet to be in the habitable zone, a place by default occupied by gas giant>No biggie just have one of your giant get unstable and push all other giants out and rocky planets in on it's way out (instead of sending everyone flying into outer space or the sun)>Need an abnormally strong magnetic field so "lucky" close-by supernova only result in a 70% extinction instead of 100%>Need an abnormally large moon to prevent your axis from flipping too much (catastrophic for all life) AND tank a good chunk of all dangerous meteorites>No biggie, just need to have a second planet smash into you to double your core and have the debris make a big ass moon. Say goodbye to Gaia and Theia, say Hello to Earth and Moon.>Need an abnormally high amount of water and free carbon, both of which get mostly stripped out from the planet who formed in the middle of the accretion disk>No biggie, just need the planet that smashed into you to come specifically from the outer parts of system>Bonus point: do NOT get too much bigger than Earth 'cause otherwise rocket won't ever get you into space.>Bonus point: DO get mitochondria (the powerhouse of the fuckyou). It happened only once in all of evolution. That mean it's 100% chance, right? 'cause otherwise you are stuck with slow & simple smiles at best.Yeah, I'm optimistic about hot alien babes.
>>735941235>>be Olympus MonsIts just a gigantic ramp it ain't no mountain its the great plains on steroids
>>735942642yeah, but there are 100 billion stars and probably liek x10 that number of planets in the milkygay alone
>Saturn's hexagon was discovered during the Voyager mission in 1981, and was later revisited by Cassini-Huygens in 2006. During the Cassini mission, the hexagon changed from a mostly blue color to more of a golden color. Saturn's south pole does not have a hexagon, as verified by Hubble observations. It does, however, have a vortex, and there is also a vortex inside the northern hexagonI uhh dont love the sound of that
>>735942862
Why was the existence of exoplanets so hotly debated until quite recently when hard evidence emerged, when it seems like the existence of planets is a natural byproduct of star formation?
>>735887835>The leading theory>A terribly unscientific theoryftfy
It's poetic in a way that we will most likely fuck our own planet and everything in it, but due to insane distances we will probably never meet and ruin other civilizations.
>>735942776400 billion, at the upper estimated bound.
>>735942935when all you can do is look at shit, and never do experiments but only simulations at stupidly low resolutions, the only thing you can really do is argue over everyone's pet theories
>>735942862Play this game to find out what's there >>735890693
Holy fuark
>>735936191You sound vaccinated
>>735943154>just screenshotting what google AI tells you
>>735943404Um, what else should I have done?
The uncomfortable truth that nobody in this thread seems to have addressed yet is: The developed world is deeply demoralized. Its citizens have been browbeaten into extreme pessimism about the future and the human race, and have lost the Faustian spirit. Young men are not permitted to have dreams. An enormous war will be required to sweep this torpor away.
>>735943436You should do your own experiments and understand that everything else, no matter how many big and pretty words and peepee reviews it has, is "trust me bro"
>>735943436listened. and that's what no one did
>>735928431>this is exactly to scale how I see Jupiter and the moons through my telescope>every photo with my phone+ adapter no matter the exposure or ISO just comes out like I'm trying to take a photo of the sun>have to shell out $$$ for a DSLR camera + adapter or buy a dedicated mid range telescope camera to even take a simple picture like thisI hate when people say videogames are an expensive hobby
>>735943535Shalom
>>735943535>t.
>>735900940>Could've been a kino Hot JupiterVGH...
>>735943535>Its citizens have been brownedFixed.We are going through both an artificial and natural selection process.Artificial is Whites being surpressed and racemixed with subhuman from the turd world that get given jobs, status, protection and priviledges unkown to the European natives.Natural is the retards that swallow everything the system tells them and end up poisoning themselves with vaccines or accepting infertility through feminism, homosxuality and transexuality.We can go back to exploring space when we reestablish strong White patriarchies that don't systematically suicide themselves. It will take centuries, but it will happen and jews will seethe.
>>735886659>and people thought that there were oceans on MarsI kind of feel bad for those people. Centuries of intense observation and speculation about Mars with the water channels and whatnot only to eventually find out it was completely empty must have been a disappointment for many with an interest in astronomy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk7lf2D848I
>>735942935Because "there is nothing out there stop looking" is the default null hypothesis. It is the people implying there actually is something that need the proofs. Black holes were very skub for decades even though their existence was predicted as part of Einstein's equations like 100 years ago. So skub in fact that even Einstein didn't believe the result of his own theorem and thought it was a major flaw.
>>735943852mars prolly had oceans at one time, they just evaporated along with the atmosphere, save for some polar and maybe subterranean icewhat's depressing is that it's tectonically dead and has no dynamo for a magnetic fieldit's a terrible destination to hope to colonize, all things consideredmercury would be a much better choice
>>735943991So Mars is literally just a dead piece of rock.
>>735943991Mercury is a shit choice for colonization. You'd be shredded by solar radiation. Venus is unironically the best planet to colonize. In the upper atmosphere the temps are around a very survivable with protective gear 76°C at 1 atm. Not great, but leagues better than the surface. Not only that, but the atmosphere generates its own magnetosphere so solar radiation isn't that big of an issue. Venus spins really slow, so solar panels can provide constant power. And the atmosphere is so retardedly dense that normal earth air can be used as a lifting gas for balloons.
Venus strikes me as a tsundere.
>>735939146Shut the fuck up you blueskinned whore, like you're any better. Oh, la di fucking da my kind have been colonizing the galaxy for eons we've even figured out how to leave the galaxy but we're the equivalent of fucking humans with silver poisoning and terribly ginger hair abloohoohoo
jupiter is earth's dadhttps://youtu.be/8RtGal_-KXU
>>735944271>Venusmercury's day is longer than it's year, and the solar flux is much higherthe weather around the terminator is comfythere's infinite resourcesit's on average closer to all the other planets than any otherthere's a magnetic field to help shield solar wind, and colonies could be dug into the ground for the rest of the sheilding and thermoregulationthe big downers are no atmosphere and it's deep in the solar gravity well, but both of those disadvantages are overcome by its abundance of resourceswhat are we going to do on venus? mine the clouds and sniff farts?
>>735939250Mass Effect
>>735944483>what are we going to do on venus?breed a race of venusian amazons to conquer uranus
>>735944597do we have to go to venus for that?venus rhymes with penis, and they'd probably fuck you with their macroclit pseudopeni
>>735890963i havent played this but the dark bramble planet looks cool. i think planets and celestial objects that are not spheres and are instead unusual shapes like this haven't been explored much as a concept.
>>735891606>>735891776I'm disappointed that I spoiled myself on the ending of the game instead of playing the game all together.
The only way we're ever going beyond the solar system is if you send out ships with sperm and egg frozen near absolute zero, programmed to thaw, fertilize, and be grown and raised by a self-assembling colony system. Are there any sci-fi stories that do this btw? Everyone seems to use cryosleep but that shit is retarded.
>>735885626>Why are developers so reluctant to use the solar system as a setting?>>735886215>Because apart from the moons of saturn all other planets are with gas giants or uninhabitable.>>735886683>Venus, Mercury and Mars are all terrestrial and relatively close by. The Galilean moons are also all interesting, especially Europa. Titan is practically begging to be colonized and even the gas giants could be used for very unique and horrifying settings, like the hexagonal storm on Saturn, the big red eye on Jupiter or the storms on Neptune that rage at ludicrous wind speeds.It's simple when you think about it.If you only use the solar system it's more difficult to add new surprise, Autists will complain about any fictional twist,The gameplay will be forced to either stay around a single place, or explain space travel.And if you add FTL anyway, someone will just say to expend it to another solar system where you have full artistic freedom and a good excuse to not portray everything mankind is doing at home.
>>735891776>when the dual vector foil starts flattening you out
>>735944785>TiqqunLike Tikkun Olam? What is this hebrew shit?
Is it really more difficult to travel towards the Sun than away from it, starting from a stable orbit like Earth?
>>735944960play ksp and you'll discover for yourself
>>735914920I'm sick of this nonsense being parroted. Nobody would panic. A year ago we thought that certain revelations about our ruling class would plunge the world into civil war. Aliens would be content fodder for internet culture for like a year, then it would fade into background noise like everything else.
>>735927876It's still fake thoughJust because you can make cool orbits with probes doesn't mean humans landed on the moon.
>>735893929Do you have any idea about the colossal impact on humanity if it confirmed that life exists elsewhere, let alone intelligent one?But I'm assure you, it will be revealed at the "right" time, at the most shocking moment, for the perfect excuse of a global unified government. Rules by the worst people possible.
>>735886361Looks like shrink wrapped cottage cheese.
Do you think sometimes how fucking pathetic we are compared to the the immensity of the universe?
Terra Invicta does that.Too bad the game is mediocre.
>>735926993>>735927876>herp derp>wuhhh? you want documents on the rockets that took us the the moon?>yeah no, those don't exist anymore
>>735891776Couldn't you fly diagonally then to get some velocity to break out?
>>735900945I think it's more of a case that - for most people - it doesn't immediately click that you basically need as much time to 'brake' as you do to 'speed up' in space. I got the inertia thing pretty much right away but judging speed in a featureless environment is hard and I was constantly over-accelerating just cause I kept misjudging relative speed.
>>735939146We have never found traces of anything interesting except ourselves in this universe so space is boring until proven otherwise
>>735903971Our galaxy cluster is located in a void, we just don't know it yet, so aliens aren't looking for us from the outside
>>735945082>Rules by the worst people possible.Yes. This world exists to be a suffering pit where evil reigns supreme and everything good is destroyed. Just imagine Lord Moloch's howling triumphant laughter as His servants permanently ruin the world out of sheer spite!
>>735945146i'm telling you guys, play kspthe physical model (patched conics) isn't 100% realistic, but it is realistic enough to have gotten people on the moon and backorbital mechanics don't work like in star wars
>>735945082We already live under a global unified government, though, we just don't call it such.
>>735889706Transhuman Space is a tabletop game but this is more or less a plot point in the setting history
>>735944885I hope somebody 1-dimension those fags into a point, for flattening my solar system
>>735928872Wow, that's so damn real looking.
The alien "invasion" will be totally fake.>>735945206Not for long. I still believe in the return of Jesus.>>735945270We are but under shadows, in the form of an oligarchy, but without total control of all nations yet.
>>735942964You can thank the indians for that.
>>735893929>Case study of 1 (one)>Life must follow this exact set of circumstances otherwise it couldn't possibly exist!!!!111!!Retard.
>>735935671>/pol/faggots) that are convinced the earth is flatThe enemies of /pol/ (and Humanity) are who think the earth is flat.The whole flat earth thing is only preached nowadays to discredit real conspiracies' by association.
>go to the distant future space where galaxy wide travel is possible>it's medieval kings & queens society again but big nowwtf...
>>735945413There is no Jesus, there are no gods except Lord Moloch, the howling, snarling, cackling insane demon god of evil, cruelty, sadism, torture, spite, malice, insanity, domination, destruction, control, hatred and rage, He who rules over all that exists, despises everything good and created humans only to punish them for being created.
>>735917203>>Laughing berserker drone pointed directly at you. >You wish this was true. Great Silence theory blast.Berserker drone would easily explain a cyclical reset of the galaxy.1) go stupid & xenophobic2) make self-replicating drone killing anything that isn't exactly like you3) realize the self-replicating drones start killing you because random event make you shift from what his definition of you was4) the drone actually ignore most other lifeform because you've defined sign of intelligent xenos on how (You) did things
>>735945201Why would aliens be looking for us though?If there are regions of space where life exists in distant galaxies and life is common, why would aliens look for other life in distant galaxies? We are one planet in a galaxy with hundreds of billions of planets.If we lived in a galaxy where life was common and observable across our own galaxy and others in our cluster, would we try to fund life in galaxies billions of light years away?
>>735945779>There is no JesusThen why do jews seethe so much about him?
>>735945779Whatever you say, jew. Jesus is king.
>>735945836Jesus is a jew, though. So were the twelve apostles.
>>735935824>HOLY SHIT DUDE THE RED SHIFT HOLY SHIT I WILL NOW EXTRAPOLATE EVERY UNRELATED CONJECTURE I CAN THINK OF PURELY BASED ON THIS...because the math say you can and it worked almost every other time
>>735945729Because it works
>>735945836Lord Moloch is the only king, and He is king of all that exists. Everyone gets tortured in His domain forever when they die.
>>735945870It's more likely the missing tribes of israel became the EuropeansPlus Jesus no way looks jewish going by the shroud of turin
>>735941742>Why does this simple image give me a deep feeling of unease?I think you have the same phobia as I do.Take a look at this >>735921932 and this >>735922228How does it make you feel?
>>735942421Hah
>>735904779>>735904452But le italian science man wrote an entire book about them. I was told hard science wasn't about hypothetical scenarios!
>>735946113Theoretical physics anon, they can theoretically exist like it is theoretical possible to time travel.
>>735941570Yeah plus a woman basically singlehandedly destroyed the ISS
>>735946407What?
>>735945570>Life must follow this exact set of circumstances otherwise it couldn't possibly exist!!!!111!!This but unironically. If you understood the first thing about biochemistry, you'd know that life without carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen is practically impossible.
>>735946462I think he's talking about a female astronaut that started drilling holes in a space station so they'd put her back on Earth because she couldn't handle being in space for the full length of the mission
>>735946642How? That is life as we know it. That is how life evolved on our planet under the conditions of Earth.Even on Earth we have life that exists even in the most extreme conditions, like life at the bottom of the ocean where there is no sunlight, where the pressure is so strong that no other forms of life could withstand it.Life evolves and adapts depending on the conditions of the environment. Who is to say that life could not exist on other planets under different conditions?Life on Earth took billions of years to evolve and went from bacteria in the ocean, to fish, to dinosaurs, birds, humans and all other forms of life in between. Life evolved around the conditions of our planet, why would it not be possible for life to evolve around another planets conditions over the space of billions of years?
>>735946903>Life on Earth took billions of years to evolve and went from bacteria in the ocean, to fish, to dinosaurs, birds, humans and all other forms of life in between.Religious belief
>>735886705>Because space is fucking boringI hate you bethniggers so fucking much. Space isn't boring. It is however more involved than generic fantasy slop which means corpos are less likely to touch that genre
>>735946975What is exactly the space involved in, huh?
>>735947157getting in out of planets without a loading screen for one.
>>735942776>billion stars And nearly all of them are in Nova-heavy region.>x10 that number of planetsAnd nearly none of them are rocky AND in the habitable zone AND got the double-core + carbon&water-from-outside requierement
>>735946903We're confident alien life is also carbon-based, not because we're generalizing from what we're familiar with, but because carbon is uniquely favourable for life. Without getting deep into the chemistry, carbon's bonding properties allow it to form stable, diverse organic molecules (carbohydrates, amino acids, nucleic acids, lipids, etc.) that are responsible for essential life processes, like catalyzing reactions, storing information, and forming membranes. No other element is as chemically versatile and stable while being as relatively abundant as carbon. Extraterrestrial life ultimately abides by the laws of chemistry, so it's highly implausible that alien life has a radically different biochemical makeup, even if technically possible. Searching for life on planets with Earth-like conditions and atmospheric compositions is a safe bet, and looking anywhere else would be a waste of time.
Stop it. You're making me want to touch my hotas again.
>>735947258>we have a limited windows to talk with spacecraft in space>it's actually space loading screens
>>735885626>the only planet named after a woman is also the most modest one in the solar system with a completely opaque atmosphereAbsolutely halal.
Anyone ever play Battlezone 98? During the cold war the US and Soviet Union are secretly fighting for real in space. You end up on the moon, Mars, Venus, and some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn. In Battlezone 2 you go to Pluto, "Planet X", and an alien planet in another systemAlways thought it was a cool setting
>>735947854Searching for life on Earth like planets is a safe bet but it could be possible for life to form different on other types of planets. Maybe not life like we know it but some form of other life, carbon might be one of the essential elements for life due to it being present on earth when life evolved but it might be able to evolve using a different element on another planet under different conditions. Life adapts and evolves.
>>735886361Why? Do you want to articulate an actual thought or are you just going to a random picture hoping for (you)s?
>>735885626>Why are developers so reluctant to use the solar system as a setting?you've seen how lazy they can get with it like kingdom hearts with the only space station combat and setting being stuck on the psp title
>>735948816>life evolved but it might be able to evolve using a different element on another planet under different conditionsThat goes against my point. What other element are you suggesting is capable of forming life? With regard to forming complex molecules, no element is as chemically robust or adaptable as carbon. You can't form life with something as chemically inert as, say, helium or gold, because these elements are incapable of forming complex structures capable of carrying out biological processes. Carbon is essential for practically all life in the universe. Assuming that extraterrestrials may be non-carbon-based is unfounded speculation.
>>735948853(you)s
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>>735887556Space travel and space funding HINGES on human space flight. Robot space flight does not garner any investment nor does it make politicians want to throw money NASA's way. Only humans taking bold steps in extremely dangerous conditions garner attention from other humans. Otherwise we would have considered the entire space flight thing solved with Viking 1. >>735901485Absolutely not, but history will remember the first person on Mars but not the first person to catch a bomb to the head in Tehran.
>>735886361>>735949549>white>cold>covered in pockmarks>inhospitable to everybody wow he's just like me
>>735946462>>735946869That and she got shit all over the ISIS too and made it unusable for everyone
>>735950657If a man had done even half of this he would have just been blasted off into deep space btw
>>735949189I really liked KH2's space sections. The bullet hell missions were fun. Everyone praised KH3's because "hurr muh open world" but the actual combat missions were slower and boring as fuck
>>735885626Technically, all games that take place on Earth use the solar system as their setting.
>>735950702They'll never admit it but the damage she caused alone is like part of the reason they're finally retiring it and crashing it into the earth before a replacement was finished because she made it so unbearable to be in and there was no way to clean it by that point because the shit had floated around and attached to shit, so the ISS permanently smelled like it. Look it up, it's a whole... shitshow, if you will.
>>735950790Ah maybe this was the reason they wanted to replace Whites with indians. Surely they could keep the ISS going
>>735891776Just gotta go faster brah. How else are you supposed to land on the sun station?
>telescope time on shit like Hubble or James Webb is decided by making scientists compete for it like a job application>time demanded is 10 to 20 times more than there is time availableI don't know what I expected but this is really funny lol. Guess the grind never stops.
>>735942281"Aliens MUST exist" retards are the same brand of retarded as "god MUST exist" retardsYeah it would explain a lot but you're meant to prove a theory, not just find one that's hard to deny. The boltzmann brain is the ultimate endgame of the latter
>>735942381No more cold war to drive tech development and America is pre-emptively giving up the one with China. You think the Hubble was a real scientific feat? It was just NASA getting to use the NRO's sloppy seconds.
>>735940736Ah yes the gay space french venusian gene shapers.
>>735945137They still do... hell, even the flight computer code is on github.
>>735917982I'm confused. The Terrans invented jump gates, right? How come they don't make any new ones?>>735918081Terrans are understandably afraid of the rest of the galaxy after getting first ass fucked by their own machine demons, then by a coalition of aliens and other humans (that got cut off from Earth for 800 years).
>>735900945I've seen multiple playthoughs on YouTube of Outer Wilds where they see the Auto-Pilot start to decelerate, say "Why would I want to do that", and turn the auto-pilot off, only to crash into the planet and die.>>735891776>>that moment when you realize you can't outpace the sun's pullYou can. Gun it as hard as possible as early as possible and you can outrun the supernova, only for ATP to activate.That's what happens on board The Stranger, by the way. Part way through the loop, the ship's flight computer detects the sun going supernova and opens the solar sails. By the end of the loop, The Stranger is outside the supernova's range, which is why you never see The Stranger get consumed by it.The solar sails opening also shakes The Stranger and starts the dam's disintegration. That's why the dam conveniently stayed intact for thousands of years until now. It's The Stranger's flight computer's automatic reaction to the oncoming supernova that causes the dam to break. You can actually fire your Scout at the dam wall and watch the integrity start dropping once the solar sails open.
I like creating maps which leads me to creating continents and planets for my own world setting, it's a lot of fun
>>735953208I still wish there was a special ending when you bring the other hearthians to the stranger to save them>>735935721Technologically they're only a few to several years behind the us in what matters for space exploration, and given what the could be done with 60s tech, it's basically equivalent Programmatically CNSA are the absolute best space agency nowadays, the construction of the Tiangong station was incomparably better planned and more on schedule than any other modular space station like Mir, ISS or the mess that are its current Russian and american ISS replacement projects (ROS and CLD)
>>735953410post a map you made friend
>>735954395Sorry anon but I can't, I'm too shy to post my stuff online
>>735954705Just put it in a spoiler and nobody will know you posted it.
>>735942436>AIkek>RoboticsVaguely better>James Webb90's tech
>yeah we got on the moon>i swear on me mum
>>735942642>also need to wait for prior generation of stars to make enough heavy elements>and specifically need nearby supernovae to seed the system with enough uranium to keep the planet's core warm for billions of years>star also has to live long enough for live to do its thing (Earth took 4Ga to get humans, there's only 1Ga left before the sun becomes too hot)>but not too long, otherwise it's a red dwarf and the planet gets tidally locked>>735942642>Bonus point: DO get mitochondria (the powerhouse of the fuckyou). It happened only once in all of evolution.To be fair, things in this category happened at least 3 times: mitochondria, chloroplasts and the nitrogen-fixing organelle that are currently evolving in the oceans.
>>735945117>optimises out any fun strategies>puts in technologies that are purely meant for you to have a bad time withWhy do shithead devs do this?
>>735953208kinda funny that the stranger's contingency plan is what kills them. two out of three groups die because of the flooding and the third one is going to eventually shut down now that the energy isn't coming anymore
>you will die on this planet
balls
>>735945950That last one is scary as hell.I'm glad there's nothing like that in our current solar system.
>>735942197Really depends on the game, but I don't really think I've ever seen space realism fags bitch about the plausibility of any fictional settings having terraformed planets in our own solar system. Most space games are far from simulators, and very few appeal to hard scifi fags. If anything, there's nothing stopping anyone from just building a more solar system from the ground up. The entire Star Fox universe takes places in just a singular solar system with multiple habitable planets.
>>735922228is the flash at 0:53 the moon getting obliterated? wtf man give it back
It's interesting how two games mentioned here KSP and Outer Wilds (arguably) depend on the Solar system to be scaled down and not fully relistic. And I'm wondering if there can be a game somewhere in the middle, that has the celestial mechanics of KSP mixed with some kind of fictional plot, maybe not as frivolous as Outer Wilds. The way Outer Wilds makes you go from one location to another collecting clues could make exploration in a KSP-like game much more interesting, as opposed to collecting abstract science points.
>>735961054KSP doesn't have to be scaled down, pretty sure there are mods that bring it all back to realistic levels. It's just scaled down so gravity is lower and it's easier.
>>735961229What I'm saying, this would (arguably) make the game worse.> Miss the landing site by "a bit".> You are 1000km from it with no chance of getteing there.
>>735885626So in other words you want a Red Rising game?
>>735939250BTFO
>>735885626There's Falling Frontier, it a space RTS game set within the solar system with factions on different worlds, although like most hooded horse games it stuck in development hell so maybe in a few more years we might see it or not
>>735961054Well, I should concede that Outer Wilds needs small system mostly because of the shitty gimmick resetting the game every 20 minutes, so you just cannot have any lengthy exploration.
Did you guys know that we are going back to the moon next week?
>>735945729That’s 26540 years in the future. The Star Wars level of civilization burned itself out
>>735952576Well, we could be the pseudo Russian box people of Jupiter
>>735962506>FE has entered development hell>it's just UI updates now and we might see a demo soon>goes radio silent for months at a time
>>735963154>peopleThey are robots
>>735914569nah mate thats not correct. Monkeys dont have proper conciousness implemented, they just dont analyze their thoughts that much coming from a limbic system. Hence they have faster reactions
>>735963656They are fucking bonkers is what they are
>>735919774I had a dream where Jupiter was the moon but I was too busy wandering the weird mass of roads and motorways winding around the sky to care too much. It was such a cool visual though, I'll never forget what a cool image my brain cooked up in that dream.
>>735954975>Science is fake>I believe tinfoil hats on /pol/ instead!Yes, you really are a credit to your education system.
