The remake will finally expose how massively overrated it is
>>735905717trueif its exactly the same with newer graphics (like mario rpg) it will be abundantly clear how bad, empty, and primitive the game is. if they completely remake it (ff7R), it will be better than the original (which is a pretty low bar, but still). however, i expect that there will still be some zealots that will point fingers and blame, championing the original as some "perfect" thing, and completely ignore any and all criticisms like usual.
A re-remake?
>>735906457Personally, I consider OoT 3D an enhanced port desu
It's gonna be hire-this-man OoT with more open-ended non-puzzles like Stinky Breath of the Kingdom.And it'll be touted as like a "union of old and new Zelda" or something, I swear to god.
>>735906549I guess that makes MM3D an impaired port.
>>735905717Let me guess they're going to add voice acting and shitty nu zelda art style that's going to kill any sort of surreal and eerie atmosphere the original had
>>735906831>open-ended non-puzzlesas opposed to "just look up and shoot the eye" or "push block along the arrows"?
>>735909224>surreal and eerie atmosphere the original hadgo back to the backrooms, kid.
>>735909224>surreal and eerie atmosphere the original hadNot a single one of you OoTfaggots has actually played the game you claim to love.
>>735910557You haven't played it either.
Zoomer moment
>>735906457A “RE-RE”make? Durrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrr I lob Lezend on Zelnda durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>735910663nah gen alpha moment
What remake? Nintendo's youtube account showed nothing. >>735910557Forest Temple has that empty abandoned castle feel with the surreal twisted hallway. The music can be unsettling.
>>735910557I mean, the Well/Cemetery/Shadow Temple shit was probably pretty spooky for its time, especially if you were like, 8 years old (which probably applies to most people in this thread honestly)
didn't play it til I was way older because I had a PC at the time and nintendo was kiddie shit, and I had a ps1 and 2. It's highly overrated but I get it if it was the only system you had and you only played 3 or 4 games a year back then.
>>735911364well now you understand why everyone ignores your opinion on everything
TP>MM>WW>OOT
>>735911364>be American millennial>live in cozy upper-middle class area>soccer mom buys you a Nintendo 64 because The 700 Club told her that PlayStation games have blood>parents can also afford you to buy the entire Rareware library>since you are rich and American, your family are also early adopters of the internet>lo and behold, everyone else online is also a rich American from a Nintendo 64 household>Ocarina group masturbation session ensues>The internet universally agrees that ReDeads are the scariest things ever invented because none of you ever played Silent Hill>Internet gaming culture is built upon the idea that everyone owned a Nintendo 64 and everyone agrees Ocarina of Time is unambiguously the best game ever made>Fast forward 20 years>Euros, Aussies, and working class Americans are now online>You find out that the Nintendo 64 absolutely fucking bombed outside of middle America and nobody gives a fuck about Ocarina of Time>Even in the US the N64 was massively outsold by the PS1, let alone abroad>Persecution complex ensues>"This can't be........did.....did I shit my pants over Wind Waker's graphics for nothing?">Start calling Ocarina underrated due to the fact that people who've played more than 1 fucking game don't think it's the best
>>735905717I really don't think it can hold up as a remake.Part of why OoT was significant, was how many strides it made in the development and advancement of three dimensional mechanics and game design. The Great Deku Tree is one of the single most significant pieces of gaming history, because it set out to, and largely succeeded in, tutorializing an entire playerbase that had played exclusively 2 dimensional games for 20 years, or very barebones and abstract 3d for under 3, how to approach three dimensional puzzle solving, navigation, and verticality, all in under two hours.Time has not been kind to OoT, in the way time frequently isn't to a lot of things in these positions. As lessons are learned, revolutionary decisions become standard practice and then old fashioned, and people innovate and refine things that nobody even thought were important back in the day. OoT has a lot of open, useless, dead space, because nobody was thinking about that. Ocarina of Time is a museum piece. It absolutely should be remembered. But trying to remake it is a fool's errand. It can't be done. The 3DS remakes more or less confirm this. You can touch up the visuals, but so much of what these games are, is rooted in the circumstances of their creation that a lot of times, the decisions made are unthinkable to even the people that made them afterwards, and slight changes to make things more palatable to the modern audience has unpredictable ripple effects. There is no way to recreate OoT in a way that is both faithful, and good.You can remake it faithfully again, apply better graphics, maybe erode a little more of its core identity, but then you are left with a quirky dinosaur in an era that it stands out in. Or you can erase its identity, and make something new wearing the face of the past, but everyone with a memory will know this isn't what once was, and everyone without a memory will wonder why anyone cared for just another modern thing.
>>735906370If they remake it they will have to completely reimagine the game from scratch amd put it in a detailed world like BOTW. Could work, but I don't think Nintendo wants to go that far
>>735911424it's a game that you had to play when you were young and didn't own a PC or playstations, it's not a fucking 98/100 game.go play it and tell me it's a 98, I loved goldeneye at my buddies place but that's cause it was drinking and couch coop, it doesn't hold up either as some masterpiece. you had to be in that time and place.as josh strife hayes says, I can't play your memories.
>>735911619I actually like windwakers graphics, it's like a cartoon.
>>735911798>Josh Strife Hayes is an English gaming YouTuber who makes videos about MMOs.Well no fucking wonder you hate OoT when your gold standard for gameplay is MMO numpad spamming
>>735911770If anything, it's going to be Wind Waker HD treatment.
Now they can and will fix OoT and fill it black Hylians, like it was supposed to have originally!
>>735905717FUCK OCARINA OF TIMEFUCK MAJORAS MASKWHERE THE FUUUUUUUUUUUCK IS TWILIGHT PRINCESS GODDAMMIT
>>735911656>But trying to remake it is a fool's errand. It can't be done.lol it absolutely can. unless you mean "recreate that novelty of firstness", in which case no. but thats not the point of a remake.>There is no way to recreate OoT in a way that is both faithful, and good.lmao why not? there absolutely is.>keep the same story, same number of core areas/zones, same number and themes of dungeons, same items>then just make a zelda game with modern technology and no stupid gimmicks like wolf shit, sailing, or waggleshit. its remarkably simple. just completely rebuild the dungeons (layout, puzzles, everything) so they arent "baby's first 3d experience", and remake the combat to not be complete and total garbage. even botw's combat, as easy, exploitable, and for kids as it is, utterly blows oot's combat out of the water.
>>735911967there only difference between an mmo and an rpg action adventure game is playing with others, numbnuts.
>>735911798>go play it and tell me it's a 98the zealots absolutely will. they're literally that delusional and ignorant of facts or critical thinking.
>>735912309Twilight Princess will never be remade due to the game being "problematic" in today's standards.
>>735912353>there only difference between an mmo and an rpg action adventure game is playing with others, numbnuts.
OoT is unplayable without speed running autism glitches for me now so I wouldn't play the remake anyway
>>735912353>here only difference between an mmo and an rpg action adventure game is playing with othersEvery time I hear a retard say something like this I know for sure whenever they play a single player rpg they alwyas give up halfway through because using their head is too difficult.
>>735911798>its a zoomer passing off a youtubers opinion as his ownkek every time
>>735905717>98/100 meta score>Outscoring even GTAVI>Sells 30 million+ lifetime salesThat's my prediction.
>>735912323BotW's combat blows OoT's out of the water but OoT has some very finely-grained attack inputs that's left unused by the game. Link in OoT can stab, horizontal slash (both left and right), vertical slash on players command, too bad only the stab is useful in some cases where other attacks fail or get blocked. There should be a game with OoT's detailed attacks and control with SS's combat design.
>>735911594disgusting
>>735906549they have a term for thatit's called "remaster"
>>735912901>>735913013>>735912636I'm in my mid 40's I've played a ton of games my friends, I get it, you love OOT, good on you, but it's still not a 98.>>735912901as for this guy, I started playing anarchy online in 2001, it was one of the most complex twinking system I've ever experienced in my life, you could hot swap implants to put in other implants to just get one piece of armor or weapon on (which also have buffs which leads to crazy laddering up gear if you spent time)
>>735905717>It's overrated because... IT JUST IS!!!
>>735911798It's a 98 because just like mario 64, it got 3D gameplay down at the word start unlike the vast majority of shitty PS1 games.
>>735913045just because link can do things that sound good/cool on paper doesnt mean that they actually could be a good part of combat. the problem is that we've never seen a combat system even try to utilize it well, but realistically they need to be more than just "different moves" and enemy ai has to actually be threatening to the player and have a reason to use these moves against it. the different moves need to have different effects on hit or combo, or else they're worthless beyond reach and frame data. is the game then truly "better" for having such complexities, or is it a tedious and convoluted mess? could there not also arise a simple "best" move and theres no reason to use the others? it is possible that simpler is better, and that even mashy spectacle fighters understand this.
>>735912353Oh yeah! I see no fucking differences when i play WOW, Dark Souls or Pesona
>>735912309Twilight princess has TOO MUCH STORY!!!ITS TOO SCARY!!!!!!
>>735913447>>735913504it is entirely scored on novelty. it aged like milk.
>>735913390We get it, you are an old school pc vegan good for you if you enjoy mouse clicking and menuing instead of just having an adventure game with controllers but you fart huffing is gay. Deal with it.
We still have the PC Port if Aonuma and Fujibayashi want to put their gay open world in itI like MM more
>>735913504and mario 64 sucks too, mario kart 64 is worse than snes mario kart, again, I had a PC and was playing AO and battlefield 1942, Diablo 2 at the time. OOT was just servicable for a console 3d game, it's pretty empty if you go back and play it.
>>735911619You're still consolewarring 30 year later? Fucking embarrassing nigga
>>735913632ThisMost zoomers die before reaching the first dungeon of TP. I don't think a single zoomer has made it to the Goron Mines. If they remaster TP, hopefully they add a leftside border of Family Guy Funny Moments, and a rightside border of Subway Surfers, so one day a zoomer can finally experience the Dual Clawshots
>>735913562I'm hoping for a complex system to make the combat better and more satisfying, rewarding the player for the right input but not annoyingly punish the player like SS, on top of being unreliable on the latter's case.
>>735913638>>735911798>>735912383just like all your PS1 piece of shit games like metal gear solid, silent hill, tomb raider and all that 32 bit ugly trashThe Nintendo 64 is still the strongest console of that era, and the PS1 was for poor piratefag cocksuckers.
>>735913837>mario kart 64 is worse than snes mario kartseriously! every single time there is a retro track from 64, my eyes roll back into my head from how fucking dull it is. tracks are a mile wide, empty, with nothing challenging or of interest. i think the only exception is toad's turnpike, and thats because of the traffic. easily the worst entry in the franchise.
>N64 is the strongest console of that era
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>>735905717I imagine the remake will basically be a different game. They've already done a safe remake/remaster with oot 3d, so there's little point in doing that again
>>735914220it depends on how milkable the zealots are. something low effort and low cost like that could be cost effective.
>>735914193its been 30 YEARS, and you niggers still cant get over the fact that your poor deadbeat father bought you a PS1 because his dogshit factory worker salary couldn't afford MOREEvery KID wanted a Nintendo 64 cause it had REAL FUCKING GAMES, and you niggers got the console that could play pirated CDs because you couldn't buy JACKSHIT.
>remake gets praised>OP gets mad>remake is considered worse>original is lauded as superior>OP gets madYou can't win lmao
>>735914049ps1 was alright, slow as fuck load times but diablo 1, fifa world cup 98 were pretty fucking great imo.https://youtu.be/2H5uWRjFsGc?si=zDJZAFoWAttpjorS
>>735914317I was 18 at the time, I had a job or money from college loans who fucking remembers, but I bought it myself.
>>735914315If they want low effort and low cost they could just port the 3ds versions. The rumour is that this is an actual full remake
>>735914370the fifa game before world cup though, you could just curve the ball with l1 or r1 and score from anywhere on the field even your goalie could score kicking using that, was retarded, the ai goalie would never save it.btw I'm american, not some euro and soccer games are fun as fuck.
>>735914317lmao i had a genesis, snes, gameboy, n64, ps1, ps2, gamecube, and wii, as well as a pc. oot is overrated dogshit that aged like milk. i played the FUCK out of my n64 at the time, but i also continued to grow and develop, unlike stunted retards like you.
Yeah OP, just like it happened in the Virtual Console and 3DS release... No wait...
>>735914354In case you haven’t clued in, making a thread that says “game good!”, gets way fewer replies compared to “game bad.”. You should actually try, do like ragnarok online I haven’t seen a thread like that in awhile. Say like “now that the dust has settled, can we agree this game bad?”. And you’ll get like hundreds of people going “nooo game good I played that years ago and here’s my full life story”. If you use a picture of a female anything, you’ll get way more replies but, it’ll all be sexual content so take your pick if that interests you.
Hope it doesn't have bland UI like BotW/Totk/EoW but I don't trust them anymore.
>>735914726truth, this guy baits replies
>>735914501>>735914690ANYONE CAN LIE ON THE INTERNET, I don't have to believe shit that some dumb snoy zoomer mutts are saying trying to IGNORE REALITY. EVERY KID WANTED A N64, THE PS1 WAS MADE FOR BROKE GARBAGE PEOPLE WITH NO FUCKING MONEY AND WEEABOO FAGGOTS! 30 YEARS LATER AND THE PSX IS STILL THE CONSOLE FOR FUCKING NIGGERS, SPORTS GAME LOVERS AND SHOOTERS. PLAYSTATION IS FUCKING GHETTO TRASH AND THE N64 IS THE WHITE MANS CONSOLE
Nintendo already won. Everyone's hyped as fuck for this particular remakes. We can't get enough of remakes. This generation in video games will be known as the remake generation. We LOOOOOOOOOVE rebuying the same shit over and over again.
on the contrary, playing ocarina on SoH with minor addition like a modern full 3D camera actually show just how well the game has aged when you account for the limitations of the system.but it also shows why, if you have a brain and know how to use a computer, a remake is necessary.
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>>735914846>This generation in video games will be known as the remake generation.Meanwhile /v/ sucks off the Xbox/PS2/GameCube era. And the GBA.
>>735905717OoTs story is a top tier story in a video game. It has actual multi layer subtext and is a greek style heros journey story. Also is about growing up which will inherently pick peoples heartstrings with nostalgia. The worst part of OoT is arguably the outdated or simplistic game mechanics.If the remake actually has decent mechanics for a zelda with a less empty world then it will be a top tier zelda.Honestly though i expect it to just be a shitty remaster where most things are copied 1 to 1 apart from some small changes that make the game worse overall.
>>735913390>I'm in my mid 40's I've played a ton of games my friends, I get it, you love OOT, good on you, but it's still not a 98.I'm in my mid 30's I've played a ton of games you retard, I get it, and OOT is a worthy of a 98
Upscaled 3DS port for $60 or BotW-ified for $80. Pick your poison.
>>735914862>a mod shows how well a game has aged when you changed something and then ignore its other shortcomings?????
>>735914884You literally cant refute what I saidGo on Twitter and every PLAYSTATION CONSOLE WARRING FAGGOT is a BLACK MANEvery Nintendo console warring FAGGOT is a WHITE MAN, TRANNY OR NOT
>>735914887The GBA was not a flagship console. It was a port machine, and it wasn't good then and it isn't good now. Xbox/PS2/Gamecube didn't have this problem. It didn't have HALF of all new AAA games be remakes.
>>735914798Thats barely a 6/10. It just feels like poverty to even rate that, she seems to have a sub optimal face let’s leave it at that. I’d rather just say, “she’s not fat” and call it a day. As most women I see seem to look like poo chungus from the obesity ward. But I still don’t wanna say she’s pretty because that’s true poverty.
>>735914862Its called hauntology
the zealot continues foaming at the mouth i see.truly your actions do your game and your fellow fans/zealots a service. a remarkable reflection on them.
>>735914821>some snoy zoomer muttI'm white (german and danish) I'm older, sure, I knew the 64 was shit, bought all my systems past nes and snes with my own money, built my own pc with my friends.64 was ok, lamecube sucked I didn't regret not ever owning those.I own a switch, not buying switch 2, have a wii hacked, 3ds hacked, had a gba flip, still have a gba hacked. have ps3 ps4 still have my nes, gave my snes away long ago to another kid when I went to college. have 2 vitas, and ofc a PC.
NIGGER thinks that if he stop replying directly hes gonna look cooler or more matureNIGGER YOU'RE ON FUCKING 4CHAN, YOU'RE ALREADY A WASTE OF SPERM, A ST AIN ON SOCIETYFUCK YOUR PLAYSTATIONS BLACK MAN CONSOLE.
>>735910232Infinitely better than the same "push a ball down a ramp" boring as fuck shrine 50 times. At least OOT knows how to incorporate puzzles into the level and dungeon.
>>735915136This isn't surprising at all, Eurangutans have never had good taste in games, essentially all you people play is FIFA>Look at how much consoles I've consoomedAnd not a single good game was played. You must be 40 and you're still here. How embarrassing.
>>735914317I had bothThe N64 had better "good" games, but the PS1 had better games on average. The average N64 game is honestly pretty bad. If you stick to big first party & Rare games it looks good, but mst of the other games are pretty rancid, while the PS1 is full of games you've probably never heard of, that are quite good. If you grab a random game from both libraries, odds are very good that the PS1 game will be better. The very best, top 1% games are all Playstation though. Soul Reaver and Front Mission 3 fucking obliterate everything on the N64 by such an absurd margin it isn't funny. They felt literally a generation ahead.
>>735914898>The worst part of OoT is arguably the outdated or simplistic game mechanics.so basically the game is a slog to play, 98/100
>>735910557Huh? The second you go to the future it's fucking terrifying with zombies. Then the shadow temple and stuff, the future overall is very dark and scary. Especially compared to the previous zeldas and at the impressionable age most of us were when the game came out.
>>735914984my point is the lack of full 3D camera is more a limitation of the system its on rather than the game itself, not that the distinction matters that much. i replayed it recently on SoH i found to it to be an enjoyable experience and still pretty goated. your problem is that youre probably some little zoomer cuck.
If you still have to call a game overrated 30 years after it's release, it's likely fairly rated.
>>735915224You're actually right. Ocarina of Time is still better than every PS1 game bar the FF games and Xenogears. I'm the same guy btw.
>>735905717A remake could be soulless but it wouldn't take away from the original
>>735906370The original ff7 is leagues better than the remake though
>>735915202>i didnt actually play the gameah i see, you should have just led with that then.
>>735914898The gameplay is terrible, level design is genius and the overworld is pretty good for the time.Best part of the game is the atmosphere and artsyle by far, try playing the game on a CRT instead of just plugging it into a 4K display retard
>>735914690>oot is overrated dogshit that aged like milkName one good game
>>735915240just because its not souls combat and has outdated control scheme does not mean its a slog.
>>735915221>i dont even play games, i just shitpost and tell other people that their games are bad>except oot. im a zealot for oot.grim.
>>735905717Better than your favorite 90s game
>>735915420No reply at all, I've played prob like 200 PS1 games. Most of it is not better than OoT. If you approach all the games from that era 10 year laters of course most of them are shit, just like most of you Snoys were disingenuous when approaching OoT for the first time. Average Euro worships Sonys dick more than anything else so I don't blame you.
>>735915202honestly the best puzzles I've seen in a game were the original god of war ones, and castlevania remakes that people called god of war games had good puzzle, like actually hard shit you could figure out and not just look up a guide.
>>735915380>try playing the game on a CRT instead of just plugging it into a 4K display retardwhere did that come from?
>>735914317you couldn't pirate ps1 games or at least I didn't know how, the discs were black on the read side, but you were too poor to even know that.ps2 is when pirating started for consoles, with hard modchipping.
>>735915268no i played ti when it came out and it amazed me. but then i grew up playing lots of other games, experiencing the progression of technology and game design as it happened, and i can safely look back on oot and clearly recognize that it was extremely primitive for the medium. "good at the time" is not an argument. yes, the musket was revolutionary at the time, but its pretty dogshit in comparison now. >but i had funcool. good for you. having fun doesnt mean that it isnt lacking in quality. you're allowed to like bad or suboptimal things. that doesnt magically make them not shit.
>>735915337yes i agree, i only brought up ff7R as an example of that "type" of remake, where everything is completely different about the game itself, even if the setting and characters are the same.
>>735915426nope, castlevania 3 came out in 1990 in America
>>735915619>"good at the time" is not an argument.well good, because i didnt make that argument. my argument was that it was still good lmao. learn to read.age is not a factor. in 30 years time sekiro will still be a good game. it wont be good "for its time" itll still be as good as it is now, or when it came out. thats simply not how shit works. beethoven isnt "good for his time", get it?
>>735915412souls combat is awful, great atmosphere and graphics, shit game play
>>735905717You've already made your mind up it's bad without actually going in unbiased and trying it. You're already co-opted and your opinion can't be trusted.
>>735915779because any game made before the PS4 era was a janky mess in one way or another and all of them aged like shit. Gaming is like movies where theres a certain point where it matures and it can hold the test of time, anything before is primitive.
>>735915829seethe more, tendie
>>735912261I don't care if Hylians are technically not Elves or whatever, but the sight of an "Elf" with dark skin and africanoid features fucking disgusts me on a visceral level.
>>735915829>>735915995Fromsoft and Nintendo are now bros now retards.
>>735914317I was PC gamer so I had neither, but in hindsight, if I had gotten to choose one, I would take the PSX in a split-second. N64 mostly had platformers and arcade games, many of them in a samey colorful style. The PSX library is so infinitely superior in terms of story-based games and interesting visual styles, it's not even funny.
>>735916096>PC Gamer>Movie gamesEvery time
Why not just enjoy video games?Why must everything be a tortanic?
>>735916168Because I have to validate myself retard!
>>735915995>tendie i'm literally>>735915617>>735915136
>>735915484>you have to pick sides and worship thingsunfortunately for you, that isnt true. i judge things individually with critical thought. phony allegiances mean nothing to me.>If you approach all the games from that era 10 year laters of course most of them are shitbold of you to admit that oot is shit, and your only hope is to compare it to others of the time>um, actually, i said "most"lmao cheap cope>>735915405lmao, you retards always do this. its incredibly transparent of you. you ask for specific titles so that you can shift focus away from oot and on to the flaws and shortcomings of whatever that named game is. these flaws make it "not perfect" and "therefore worse than oot". additionally, you like to try and compare features or aspects that oot has that the other game doesnt have, and by not having them, regardless of what game or genre it is, oot is therefore better because it has those things. its extremely dull and transparent of you. you have no intention of honest or genuine discussion, because you are an oot zealot. anyone with 2 braincells to rub together to make a thought can recognize how oot has aged like milk and how 30 years of gaming has produced a myriad of better games. the fact that you cant think of one and need somebody else to do it is a massive self tell. you have failed, utterly and fully.
>the gameplay is outdatedI don't know if I'm nostalgiabrained but I really liked the N64 Zeldas gameplay, they still today feel incredibly fluid to control. Certainly feels a lot better to play than the games it inspired like the Souls-series.Using items is very quick and less hand-holdy than the later Zelda games. Even the recent ones BotW and TotK were extremely awkward and janky to play, I missed the simplicity of c-pad hookshottingThe combat and Z-targetting is fun, very quick and pokey combat, in and out. The problem is that the enemies are mostly pushovers, I wish that they would up the difficulty a bit and showcase more really cool enemies like the Iron Knuckles
>>735915779oh look, its the "games dont age" faggot again.
>>735905717No it wont?Itll show that current quality devs dont understand what it did well.You cant prove something sucked by making new versions. Star trek and star wars dont suck because modern versions of those franchises suck.
>>735916208You're 40 and you're arguing with me here.Go raise your kids nigga.
>>735915405SimCity 2000
Another game you won't be able to discuss because of insufferable OG troons constantly trying to sabotage discourse because they're depressed compared to their 90s and 00 days
>>735916208This nigga is over 40 years old and hes still consolewarring here like a faggot. Grow the fuck up and leave this site already. We all know your tough guy act is a complete cope at the fact that your life sucks so hard you're still here
>>735916338either it will be 1:1 and suck ass just the like original, or it will be way different and better, further illustrating that it aged like milk.
>>735916208You jut admitted to being a grown ass man in the late 90s and you're arguing with me, I was 5 in 1999 when I played Ocarina of Time. Go play your DOS games or whatever freak
>>735916456who is console warring? improve your literacy.
>>735914049Ape Escape is better than any N64 game and it's not even the best PS1 game
>>735916259Honestly for what it could learn from at the time it did very well.The targeting was a well thought out idea to help learn the 3d space and the story was very good for n64 standards.Like goldeneye it aged but that doesnt make it bad it was revolutionary at the time it came out.A full remake on the modern engine would be neat but op is retarded if he thinks that it would make the original bad
OoT bad because it has dungeons and expects me to actually do them :(
>>735910557Forest temple was very eerie
>>735915926>because any game made before the PS4 era was a janky messoh its a troll, my bad. >>735916319hoop and stick didnt age, though, its the same game it always was. we just dont play it anymore. but a nigga will still pick up a stick and play with it like its a sword, thats the oldest game there is. what is your favorite game? do you think it WONT be your favorite game, or one of your favorites, in 30 years? can you honestly claim that? im not saying OOT is perfect, im just saying the only real change i made (other than technical stuff like unlocking the framerate) was adding in right stick camera control and i had a great time playing the game again. and i aint no nintendo pedo either. but the game is still a joy to play.
>>735916514>You jut admitted to being a grown ass man in the late 90splease point out where in that post i said anything of the sort. >uhhhh, it was in another postthen you're doing a bad job of keeping track of who you're talking to.additionally>i was 5 when i played it, so it imprinted on me deeply and i never developed cognitive thought that shows how it doesnt hold up.>i need to defend it because it was there for me more than mommy and daddy were because of the divorceyou literally have no argument. you're just a zealot, and a particularly dumb one at that.
>>735905717Or it'll expose the trolls that cried about it and they'll love it since it's been 'fixed' with modern bullshit that they loved BotK for. They literally don't like it because people prefer its formula over BotK's formula. Once they modernize Ocarina with BotK's formula, all the trolls calling Ocarina overrated will suddenly love it.Calling it now.
>>735916567>that doesnt make it bad it was revolutionary at the time it came out.good at the time is not an argument.
>>735905717No it won't. Many zoomers who play Oot think it's a fantastic game, only a minority of people think it's a bad game. Just because it's not everyone's cup of coke doesn't mean it's overrated.
>>735916590Most criticism of OoT stems from "I can't solve this puzzle".I was in school when the game came out and remember some other kids seething about the game, declaring it sucks and is stupid. When quizzed, they'd always reveal that they got stuck somewhere early into the game.The game is a great filter
>>735916764>its still the same, that means it didnt age>comparative quality isnt a thing, only inherent value and existenceyou're fucking retarded.
>>735906457It's probably happened a shit ton already. Capcom have a new RE1 in the works it's already had a remake.
>>735905717Such an unnecessary remake of an already successful game that’s easily accessible in many different ways.
Snoys are STILL BUTTHURT 30 years later holy shit. YOU'RE MAD BECAUSE YOU NEVER GOT THE BEST GAME EVER MADE, THE NUMBER ONE ON METACRITIC.
>>735916797>remove the shit>replace it with better systems and gameplay>now its completely different>suddenly you love it... yes? thats usually how improving something works.
>>735916494Of course it aged. Everything on the console aged. Its an almost 30 year old console. Being old doesn't make it bad though.
>>735916930>Many zoomers who play Oot think it's a fantastic game>source: my ass
>>735913186Not really, there really does need to be more specifications, because many remasters are literally just old games in HD with a higher framerate, but Oot 3D replaced all of the assets and/or changed the textures, and its resolution was still 240p.
>>735911619actual middle class+ americans owned several.i had a playstation, dreamcast, n64, gamecube, ps2, snes... and a pc with the internet and played mmos.
>>735916847Inefficient by modern standards isnt bad either.Bad n64 games are still bad. Good n64 games are still good
>>735917212Why are snoys so mad at people enjoying classic games from the other company, if he said this about FF7 you would be talking about how its the greatest game of all time. Just accept there is a better game
>>735916968>Most criticism of OoT stems from "I can't solve this puzzle".lmao no it doesnt. one of the big criticisms of it is how baby-tier most of the "puzzles" are. and there is a plethora of other valid criticisms.
>>735914887What the fuck are you talking about lol, besides Resident Evil, what notable remakes came out in sixth gen? It's the opposite - RE4 remake, MGS 3 delta, GTA trilogy, etc... it's all remasters of PS2 era shit recently
>>735916968>filters boomers whose brains melt when presented with a 3D perspective>filters zoomers whose brains melt when presented with doing anything mandatory>both turn into shrieking ADHD banshees and their patience immediately drop to zeroHow does OoT keep doing it?
>>735917212Sorry I didn't autistically write down links or take screenshots of every zoomer who said they loved Oot, I'm not that obsessed retard.
>>735917154>Being old doesn't make it bad though.right, tetris is still good. lttp is still mostly good. oot though? aged like milk. it doesnt hold up. it is lacking.
>>735917241>i cant come to terms with the concept of failing qualitygrim and pathetic cope.
>>735911619nigga we weren't rich we were just not poor holy shit.
More like the complainers who are put off by N64 controls and framerates will finally realise there's a solid core of a very good game there.Like, there's worse shit that comes out in the current year, that gets a pass from people. In fact I'd say most games don't really have the options for movement, and the variety of content that OOT has. I've played a lot of modern games that do not have eight to ten distinct dungeons, with eight to ten distinct boss fights. I've played a lot of modern games that don't have swimming or climbing walls.
>>735917278>gets filtered by a simple puzzle that other 8 year olds were able to figure out with guides>spends 30 years making OOT IS OVERRATED, FUCK THAT GAME threads>ITS EASY, BABBIES COULD CLEAR IT, I KNOW BECAUSE I DEFINITELY FINISHED THE GAMEYou actually very rarely see complains about the puzzles in OoT
>>735917276not a snoy, and i dont care if people have fun with it. i dont care about ff7 much either. you're allowed to have fun with bad games. you're allowed to be optimistic with your experiences. you're just wrong to claim that its anything of quality (or enduring quality) though, because it objectively isnt. most zoomers dont find it to be very good either.>>735917367anons larping on 4chan are not a source.
>>735915617I remember a kid at my school had a binder of burned discs his dad made, that he'd regularly share from.Some of them never worked, but a lot of them did. No idea the science behind PS1 copy protection, besides that it was sporadic. I think I did end up playing a few games on the "fuck you pirate" setting, which was interesting in hindsight.
>>735911619man, if you had an N64, and you wanted to play a voilent game, you could play Turok 2 and explode people's brains.It's just that Zelda was classier than that. It's a game for everyone. Not just specifically 12 year old boys.
I want soulful detailed but comforting environments like the pre-rendered backgrounds. If they make it look like this I'll be happy.
>>735916981answer my question you cowardly piece of shit at least im engaging with the conversation in an honest way.what a pussy your mother raised.
>>735917652oh look, more schizo babble.
>>735917662>one of the most praised games of all time is bad because i got filteredkill yourself >b-but le zoomers don't like it eitheryeah because YOU'RE a zoomer.
Ever since I was a kid, I never liked the N64.I had both an SNES and an N64, and I played the SNES more until my Japanese friend gave me a PSX because he had two (that guy was really cool).For me, the Zelda A Link to the Past has always been a better game than Ocarina of Time, not because the SNES Zelda is a masterpiece, it’s actually a pretty shallow game, but at least it was more playable.The only good thing about Ocarina of Time is the dungeon design. Most of the dungeons are super easy, but they’re well-constructed. If you look at the levels in SM64 (those totally experimental things that made no sense) and compare them to how well-designed the dungeons in OOT were, made just two years later, you could see how quickly game design was evolving back then.
>>735917142But Ocarina doesn't need 'improving'. It was fine at the time and still fine today. Why does it need voice acting, more cutscenes and other bullshit that bogs it down? Ocarina has next to no load times. That alone keeps it at the top. Ocarina of Time with load times is already going to keep it from being 'better'.
>>735917720oh no, he's mad that he got called out for failing to understand simple concepts. he thinks that if he changes it to "favorite" game that i'll give him a different title to shift focus on to.my favorite game is irrelevant, and quite personally, i dont really keep a ranked "favorite", just a handful of games that i enjoy playing/replaying. will i still enjoy them in 30 years despite their flaws? yeah probably :)oot definitely isnt one of them though. that aged like shit.
>>735911076I found it more mysterious and peaceful than eerie. I love the courtyard with the pond, bridge, grass, and the mossy stone walls surrounding you. And when you look up you can see the blue sky.
>>735911619All my friends and relatives lived in shitty apartments except my family who owned a house, and many of them still had an N64 and/or SNES. It's mainly the third worlders and Europoors that didn't have the N64 and their opinions means nothing to me.
>>735917962>But Ocarina doesn't need 'improving'120 frames per second with 10 ms of input lag would already make the game infinitely better than the original version with 20 frames per second and 200+ ms of input lag.Then, improve the inventory, give the player quick access to items without stopping the action, allow for D-pad shortcuts for items, etc.Improve the quality of the music (even if it remains synthesized) and the sound effects, because the N64 was a piece of shit and didn't have room for decent audio on the cartridges.Improve the most critical textures, because there are a lot of things in Ocarina of Time that are just plain ugly, such as the depiction of the town when you're outside the castle, it's just a horrible blur. Almost all the pre-rendered images are pure garbage too and would need to be redone.Etc.
Okay but what was the Water Temple supposed to be? Every other dungeon has a reason. The Deku tree is a tree, dodongo cavern is a cave, jabu jabu is a fish, forest temple is a haunted mansion, fire temple is a temple/forge, shadow temple is a torture chamber and spirit temple is a temple dedicated to a goddessBut what about the water temple? what the fuck is it supposed to be?
>>735917851>one of the most praised games of all time yes it was pretty amazing when it came out. i even agreed at the time. however, zealots held on for far longer than was sensible or genuine. >i got filterednowhere did i say that. you're huffing coping to impose such nonsense. the game isnt going to tell you it loves you in place of your absent/abusive father, anon. its ok to grow up.>you're a zoomerno, i played it when it came out. unlike you, i actually get out and meet and talk to people, and zoomers really dont like old janky shit. some of them have more empathy and "get it" when giving things an honest try (like "oh, i can see why people really liked this"), but then they immediately forget it and play something else or something better. none of them hold on like you zealots.
>>735917962>It was fine at the time and still fine today.pure delusional cope.
>>735918393So you're a pedophile? How did you play this as a grown ass man and now you talk to kids born in the late 2000s? Fucking creep.
735918334>120 frames per second with 10 ms of input lag would already make the game infinitely better than the original version with 20 frames per second and 200+ ms of input lag.No (You) for you.
>>735918570>why do you know 20 year olds?>why do your friends/coworkers have children?>why has your work ever put you in contact with somebody under 18?>clearly you must be a pedolmao touch grass>how did you play this as a grown ass mani didnt. i was a kid when it came out. why do you think i was an adult? you're literally retarded/insane.
Ocarina of Time was a prototype, Majora's Mask is the masterpiece.
>>735914317I had an N64 and no one on earth had more buyers remorse than me. PS1 was clearly superior. N64 had about 15 great games and the rest was kind of shit.
>>735918570>not talking to prime pussyWhat are you? A fag?
>>735911656quality post heres a (you)
>>735918730>>735918794>>735918824epic samefag holyshit, snoys are fucking psychotic
>>735911656Your first paragraph was good but you're really exaggerating the challenge of recreating Oot, it's not that fucking hard. It's a pretty conventional action adventure game even by modern standards
>>735918981they're getting desperate.
>>735919129>inspect element>"they" instead of just calling me a he like a man and not a troon zoomerlmao
>>735919179yes "they" as in the plural "zealots"
>>735918074lol i literally brought up the favorite game thing like 4 posts ago. learn to read, again. also, study logic and proper argumentation you sound like a dumbass. also, you are now picturing yourself sucking your dads cock.
>>735913045Oot's directional attacks were largely not important but it still had its uses and the variation it added to your moveset was appreciated unlike botw's extremely dull movesets. The stab was the most reliable as it moved you forward and closed the distance, the vertical swings were helpful for flying enemies or hopping tektikes, and the horizontal swings helped catch moving enemies and kept you in place so you won't get too close to the enemy. Those small little intricates added to the enjoyment of its swordplay.
>>735912323In botw the last hit of every combo sends enemies flying, and you chase them down while they're on the floor and repeat. It was fucking boring. Oot's combat is very simple but there is fun in its simplicity, you don't just stunlock everything to death.
>>735919504>the stab was the most reliable as it moved you forward and closed the distanceExcept you can move with your shield up and because enemies will take their turns attacking you (if there are even 2 enemies in the same room) you're functionally invincible against a majority of them.>the vertical swings were helpful for flying enemies or hopping tektitesSlingshot as a kid, bow as an adult. They get the job done faster.>horizontal swings helped catch moving enemies and kept you in placeSpin attack outclasses it because it covers a much larger range, enemies can't handle you spamming it.Having these extra moves is nice in concept but they don't add anything.
>>735918393You are a LARPing zoomer. Probably Gen Alpha at this point, even zoomers can't resist the appeal of OoT.
>>735919406>lol i literally brought up the favorite game thing like 4 posts ago. learn to read, again.yes, lets learn together. i'll link the entire comment chain, starting with your question.>>735916764the only questions in this post are>what is your favorite game? do you think it WONT be your favorite game, or one of your favorites, in 30 years? can you honestly claim that?which i ignored in >>735916981and focused on the concept of aging.then you reply with >>735917720>answer my questionwhich was literally only one post before that.then i mocked you and your transparent garbage in >>735918074and answered the latter question.then you reply with >>735919406as if it has any relevance or impact. you clearly demonstrate your own illiteracy and inability to follow a comment chain. you also clearly forgot what you were even talking about and abandoned it. typical retard zealot.
>>735913043Would be funny if it outsells TotK with a smaller install base
Oh, *they* are trying it...Again...You know, hyping some rumours and then pretending to be outraged at Nintendo for not doing something they never promised in the first placeAt least *they* could come up with some new stuff, this rumour about a new remake of Ocarina of Time is really old
>>735918752OoT is flawed but a game; MM is a fucking mod with timekiller content. Like all those shitty randomizers do
>>735919641yes, botw's combat is pretty easy, but at least you can be aggressive and proactive, and enemies actually approach and attack you. oot is just standing around waiting to counter, or you bother with using an item. and if you argue that "using an item isnt that bad" to go through the menus assigning shit and then either killing the enemy outright or stunning it (what you just complained about btw) you can do the same shit in botw. oot's combat is far more boring and slow, and some variety sword swings doesnt make it better.
>>735905717There has never been a remake that is not shit.This will not be diffirent.Just play the original game on an emulator. And play the original N64 version, not the fag 3DS one.
Is it the main Zelda team making this? Or are they letting a second team make this?
>>735919865damn dude, you got the immortan joe mask hooked up straight to your own asshole to huff copium?
>>735920263its literally resetera rumors/leaks.
>>735906370Mario rpg is the perfect example. So many mediocre 6/10 old games end up having a weirdly untouchable renown that gets quickly destroyed the second the game becomes widely available to a general public. And it's almost always games aimed at children or primarily consumed by kids. As a kid it's normal and understandable to think a 6/10 game is the best game ever(since you haven't developed a taste for quality yet), but as an adult it's very embarrassing to still hold onto those feelings and say things like "mario rpg is the best rpg ever" or "ocarina of time is the best game of all time" when both games weren't even the best games that released on that year. Weirdly I think we might start seeing this happening less in the future since it seems the current generation of children mostly play minecraft and fortnite almost exclusively.
Man, just give me the decomp or finish the recomp and have 3DS assets imported in but keeping the N64 lighting, and we're golden. Yeah people consider OoT too easy now, but that's because it's nearly 28 years old and stuck as a "learning step" to 3D gaming; you and everybody else are used to exactly what it taught.
>>735910557?
>>735920454>mario RPG>OOT>6/10I'm happy to admit they're overrated but you're shitposting pretty hard with fucking 6/10.
>>735916259ideal remake would have a high difficulty option that adds more enemies like this, that's not happening though
>>735920454This post reeks of "I'm 16 and I'm mature for my age"
>>735921170please explain to me what makes mario rpg deserve anything beyond a 6/10
>>735920454The guys who say stuff like about Mario RPG and OOT are the same ones who claim "Back to the Future" is the best movie ever. They’re just normalfags pretending to be nerds. "Bazinga nerds".
>>735921418The most basic bitch functional RPG with generic characters and writing is no less than a 5/10 and all the extra shit Mario RPG does is worth a lot more than one point.
If the remake has a way to obtain the triforce in the FIRST dimension...i'm going to be pissed.the triforce is our TREASURE for solving the original ocarina. Don't pull a "ff7 remake" and invoke the parallel dimensions in the remake. Let us find the dimension by ourselves, in the way the devs originally intended, before this age of "Cut content" began.
they should change the name to orcarina of time and add orcs too it lol wouldn't that be funny
>>735921535>the remake has a way to obtain the triforcethat would be based
>>735920238It's worth playing the 3DS version simply because the text is faster. A better experience at least after you've played the game once and know what's going on.
>>735920169Stunning enemies isn't the problem, the fact that literally every melee weapon can easily stun literally every enemy you engage in melee, back to back to back, is the problem.
>>735921698Look, the point is, the path to the Triforce in the original Ocarina of Time is a path of suffering. You have to understand japanese videogames have parallel dimensions inside of them, and ff7 remake forced japan's hand in having to try to teach modern gamers that they've been playing videogames INCORRECTLY since the Nintendo Famicom and NES.Gamers STILL aren't prepared to handle the truth that they've only played HALF of every japanese videogame ever made.Our treasure for pulling through, understanding every last fragment, is the Triforce. It's also ff versus 13, and all kinds of "miracle games" you can think of.We don't know WHY Japan did it, but Japan did, and now they're responsible for teaching modern gamers the path to understanding parallel dimensions.Again, this is all thanks to ff7 remake.
>>735911594kill yourselfMM = OOT > WW >>> TP
>>735921429That's more like ALTTPfags. Completely performative.
>>735905717Over rated? I just love playing it. YWNBAW
The bosses can definitely be improved. The only bosse sI thought were truly fun were Barinade, Phantom Ganon, and Volvagia. The first fight with Ganondorf feels like a downgrade compared to Phantom Ganon with how slow his projectiles are.
>>735922091I liked most of the changes made to the bosses in Ultimate Trial, none of them are huge differences but they're enough to make the fight have teeth.
All I want is a port of OOT3D with a better framerate and fixed lighting
>>735905717I don't believe the remake is real but I'm always wrong so it probably is
I loved OoT when it was released. I recently decided to play the Master Quest using the Dolphin emulator and a GameCube iso because I've never played it until now. The game has not aged well. It's pretty clunky by today's standards. I found the owl especially annoying when I was buying beans. My wallet is constantly maxed out as well. They don't give you enough things to spend money on. The Master Quest is not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be, you just have to be observant. I like that it makes certain items more useful than in the original quest, like Din's fire and Deku nuts. The ocarina songs are more useful as well, because you need them to find skulltulas. Tougher enemies early in the game give a better progression of Adult Link becoming much stronger. They're tough when you're a kid but when you're grown up they're hardly a problem. The fire temple was weird for me. Apparently I did things out of order. The map was the last item I found and I never found the compass. I wonder if i even saved all the Gorons?I'm about to start the Water Temple and I remember that was pretty tedious in the original quest with all the boot switching. I'm curious how it will have changed.
you guys are so overly negative and retarded. i for one am very looking forward to the remake, i've been waiting for it for years You bunch of spoiled piece of shits
>>735922091This means you are homosexual
>>735922432Kek, imagine not playing the recomp
>>735920343Why is this game getting a remake so hard to believe?
>>735920169They both have their own problems, with Oot I think it's more of case by case basis. Stalfos are cool but they spend the majority of the time just strafing with their shield up, but I always enjoyed finding lizalfos because you can be aggressive and they're aggressive as well. I think any enemies that blocked in Oot were the biggest offenders because you don't have the option to be offensive, but that's only a handful of enemies. But botw and tears just makes almost everything so easy to stunlock to death, you have to impose all these restrictions on yourself to make it fun and challenging. Even Lynels could be cheesed by shooting arrows in their face, or using stasis in botw, so I'd refrain from doing that so it would be fun.
>>735922432The owl is meant to be god. God calls himself annoying, it was suppose to annoy you. He says he guides us throughout our simulated reality. That’s why the owl guides link. But, his guidance seems completely worthless, that’s why the owl never has anything worthwhile to say. It’s essentially another cuckolding metaphor, which is gods favorite hobby is saying we don’t get hot girlfriends. Probably because there’s only like 1 hot girl per 500,000 people, that wasn’t that hard to discover. Even funnier is god dates that hot girl himself, he clones himself and lives next to us, but has all the shit in his pockets.
>>735922601I think OOT having enemies that block you and cause your attack to actually bounce off rather than just hitting *less* is an upside over BOTW, actually. The fact that enemies have literally no option other than getting poked to death once they're within your melee range is one of the factors making it so samey. Playing offensively just kills the enemies before they can be a threat, just like "properly" stunning enemies in BOTW but even faster.
>>735922432>I recently decided to play the Master Quest using the Dolphin emulator and a GameCube isoChatGPT response. Nobody talks like this. They'd say, "I'm emulating Master Quest right now."
>>735922432Water temple isn’t actually tedious, I’m actually enjoying your post because it’s like a collection of brainwashing that you’ve now repeated. Youve read all those commentaries before, but did not know they were made by Satan, not peers like me. Water temple being tedious was a joke about females being hard to turn on. It’s another cuck metaphor. He repeats cuckolding jokes to us over and over until our brains memorize it.
>>735922826ai has poisoned your brain to forget that formal and autistic people exist
>>735922489>>735922826I couldn't find a rom with the correct hash so I just used the combined thing for the GameCube that I think people got for pre-ordering Wind Waker. It's the one with OoT and the Master Quest.
>>735921765I was so excited about using cool 2-handed swords prior to botw, until the game came out and I realized they're most boring weapon with the shitty 2 hit combo. I hate how the second swing sends even moblins and boss bokoblins flying, and the spin to win is just braindead. It felt like one step above the weapons you can pick up in WW that let you do 2 different basic swings.
>>735910557Did you? The temples were abandoned places of worship full of zombies and other unsettling shit. There was a house full of half-mutated spider people. There was a graveyard full of ghosts with extensive royal tombs under it containing dead spirits. You start in a forest full of children with no adults around and enter the body of the town's dying father figure to fight a giant spider that's killing him. You go inside a giant fish and the dungeon walls are stomach lining and internal organs.For children that stuff is all very eerie and surreal. For anyone treating the game world like a real place, it's a fucking messed up kingdom.
>>735921461the thing is that mario rpg doesn't even reach the "RPG with generic characters and writing" threshold. the story is basically nothing, the characters are not memorable beyond their design and don't have any personality or developmen or anything to support them. Like the extra shit mario rpg does is what stops it from being a 3/10 lmao
it will either be the greatest thing ever, or it will be derided as a massive blunder.The game is extremely dated and won't feel right modernized, so they either keep it 1:1 and just update the graphics to modern standards but keep the very outdated mechanics and gameplay, or they make massive changes and enlarge the game massively in a full on remake and alienate fans of the original game who won't accept it. I don't see how they win. I mean regardless as long as I can still replay the original, fine. But I doubt they're going with a 3DS like remaster
best link design imhoyou have to remember for many people this was their first non-2D video game, z-targeting was revolutionary and still used today almost 30 years later
>>735905717>implying a demake will do anything other than make the original look better
>>735923091>for many people this was their first non-2D video gameno actually
>>735923076there's no reason why they would keep the outdated mecanics, doesnt make sense. nintendo is not that retarded
>>735923091For me that was star fox actually. Shit was sick.
they're making this remake for people who have no clue what OOT is to get new viewers for the upcoming zelda movie
>>735923091I know to make each game more distinct they really do want to redesign Link, but it always feels like they've been stuck chasing OoT so much that if they're not rehashing NES/SNES it's N64, but N64 is the one that keeps getting overdesigned weirdos.
>>735923202if they changed it to be more modern like botw people will just bitch and complain, probably including me. Honestly remaking such an iconic game has to be one of the toughest tasks, like how do you even decide what direction to go in because no matter what you do you're going to piss people off
>>735905717Menorah's mask is so much better, xister
>>735923259Yes, this is obviously the case. The movie will probably have a lot in common with OoT. Anyone thinking this Remake isn't legit is retarded.
>>735911798>as josh strife hayes sayswhat an embarrassing post jesus christ
>>735923001>for children that stuff is very eerie and surrealThe only thing that spooked me as a kid was the redead scream.>abandoned places of worship full of zombies and other unsettling shitDidn't process any of that, was too busy finding the small keys.>house full of half-mutated spider peopleThey said they would give me rewards for finding gold skulltula tokens.>graveyard full of ghosts with extensive royal tombs under it containing dead spiritsMan beating Dante for the piece of heart is hard.>you start in a forest full of children with no adults around and enter the body of the town's dying father figure to fight a giant spider that's killing himTwenty three is number one!>you go inside a giant fish and the dungeon walls are stomach lining and internal organsRuto sure is annoying.
wow, jannies killed the thread. for being on topic discussing videogames in a videogame message board.
Zoomers ITT:Nooonooooo Fortnite and Roblox are such a rich story filled games with so much depth of gameplay, it's better than OOT.Zoomers, you can NEVER EVER complain about videogames.
>>735923291I would prefer new mechanics though.Something like BOTW but on steroids, i want to have the freedom to play it like the old OOT but also go on fighting sprees like on BOTW and get creative as fuck and badass. Why not?
>>735923291Well Aonuma is in his "fuck you if you like the originals you're just nostalgiablind" crotchety old man days, so either this thing has to be outsourced to people who give a damn for it to remain relatively closer to the original, given to the LA/EW team, or it's getting completely redesigned from the ground up by Aonuma being a fucktard to do Ocarina his "better way".
>>735905717On the contrary, it's just going to cause the original to become EVEN MORE overrated when everyone recognizes just how stale the BotW formula is even WITH proper dungeons and equipment.
They are making the remake for the modern audience. Link will have a mandatory romance with a new (male) character and Zelda will be pregnant with Ganondorf's child(Link has to step up and be the better man). The entire Ruto subplot is being removed for being problematic. Additionally, the entire Gerudo tribe is being changed to be trans.
>>735922826Go read a book zoomie it'll be good for you. I didn't use a single em dash.
>>735923443what do you mean? Is this thread shadow banned or something?
>>735923404So you were an autistic kid?
>>735923456It should be more like twilight princess than breath of the wild in terms of combat, since TP link canonically learned all of his sword skills from oot link.
>>735916259nah the way link controls is amazing and still better than what you get in most action games.I'd only tweak enemies and their AI if anything.
>>735923514This is the Triforce now
>>735923521>what do you mean?i made a topic about ff7 remake and parallel dimensions and it got killed by the jannies even though it was perfectly on topic, especially for ff7 remake.
>>735923343exactly and i am all for it desu. The movie will be medieval old zelda style so OOT is perfect for that.
>>735923561desu i only played OOT as child and then now as adult BOTW+TOTK, i literally have no idea about any other zelda games lmfao. So this remake is legit perfectly targeted at people like me.
>>735923561That'd require actually overhauling the combat instead of copypasting from BotW with zero change aside from the obligatory Sheikah Slate replacement though, they're gonna continue to run on the excuse that "Link didn't learn these techniques until after Majora's Mask" rather than retroactively incorporating them into the Hero of Time's adventures proper.
>>735905717>over rated I hate zoomers so fucking. Why is it impossible for them to understand context?
is the switch version of oot good?
>>735923537I'm not the one trying to push OOT as a spooky and eerie game (it's not).
>>735923616that sucks
>>735923812okay young sheldon
>>735923726The last good version on official hardware was the wii shop version. Otherwise just play ship.
Will zoomers like OOT Link as much as they liked BOTW Link?
>>735923883why
>>735923881You should play Kirby games for their horror elements, I'm sure they'll spook you like OOT does.
>>735924006MM was kind of spooky
>>735923930Gen alpha. Zoomers had oot 3d
>>735923876meh. not the first time /v/ jannies killed my thread with 0 warning and 0 ban and 0 justification.
what if they do a OOT+MM release at the same time? That would be insane
>>735923946Later versions fuck up effects and/or add significant input delay. Before ship that was the most accessible version that was still good. These days there really isn't any reason to not just play ship though.
>mfw you're STILL in this threadGet a fucking life NOW
>>735920454>I'm 16 and used backloggd and twitter
>>735924118Honestly hoping the Recomp folks recover from the lead losing his dad. It feels like the entire OoT community, modders, romhackers, etc. are all waiting on that release.
>>735922432>Reddit spacingNot reading that.
YOU'RE a fucking FAGGOT. Please PLEASE PLEASE get OUT of this thread man. You've been here for HOURS trying to gaslight us into thinking you're a boomer when you're just a dumb zoomer Snoy hating on a game you've never played.
One thing I'm hyped for is the music. They obviously can't reuse n64 music, so it'll be remade. That's gonna be sick, hearing it all properly orchestrated and high quality especially after TotK have had amazing soundtracks
Honestly, this’ll get me to buy a Switch 2 if true.
>ubislop zeldas>amazing soundtracks
>>735905717I always found oot to be mediocre so hopefully this rumored remake improves the game
>>735923537I'm a huge nintendofag but that anon is right you fags gotta stop acting like every nintendo game is le heckin spooky and dark
>>735925284>enter a torture dungeon cellar space under a town well with rotting meat, blood, and ghosts, plus an abomination beast of flesh that tries to eat you and hold you down to do it>the nearby temple is filled with grave sites of the royal family's enemies and dissenters as a testament to how much they've killed to maintain their powerWhat's spooky to you?
>>735925470The well and the shadow temple are actually fairly spooky yes. The rest of the game is absolutely not. One scary level does not make a scary game.
>>735920454This.I've been gaming for almost 30 years, beat 1000+ games, and my favorites list is CONTINUALLY changing, anyone who has the same shit they played as a kid as their favorites is just being willfully ignorant.
>>735925586The Forest Temple is pretty creepy.
>>735925470Post-modern real life is far spookier than anything in a video game. I'm numb to fictional horror.
>>735925723Every dungeon is a metaphor about something serious. Death mountains eruption is a joke about cumming, that’s why it’s got a halo above it. And you have to kill the dragon that keeps coming out of holes, like vagina holes. As dragons are a symbol for waiting. It’s all just cuckolding, Christianity is bad, which is why they turn it sexual.
>>735925867Nigga what?
>>735925867>you don't get it guys the game is metaphorically spooky fuck off retard
>>735925980King zora is blocking the path to their god jabujabu. And when he moves out of the way, a cutscene plays where it takes like 30 seconds for him to slide his fat ass over to open the door. It’s all cult symbolism. You have to feed jabujabu a fish to get into its mouth. Everything has been designed for cuckolding metaphor and male humiliation.
why do people think its gonna be a remake and not just another port/remaster like OOT3D
>>735926252because the film and because leakers wanting e-cred are trying to hype up anything
>>735925624>E33>Red Dead>Cave StoryReddit is that way
>>735926247Why you ask! Whys that cult metaphor. Simply put, I don’t know. I was hoping one of you knew. I guarantee it’s some shitty cuck metaphor though. Theres also have a diving minigame there. Actually I think king zora was frozen. Typically frozen levels are a joke about women not being wet. So by getting king zora some pussy, he lets you help his god. It’s actually probably an erectile dysfunction joke. I’ll meditate on this.
>>735905717the only winning move is to remake it in the BOTW engine
>>735926395>good games are le reddit
>>735926612god I wish
>>735926642Cave story is the only good game on that list though. Everything else is modern shit.
It's going to completely sanitize absolutely everything that makes the original memorable. OoT has an overall dark and unsettling tone with a ton of horror elements, especially as adult Link, and I don't trust Nintendo to not leave that shit alone.
>>735920454what utter delusional in this thread
>>735926695>hurr durr I'm a retarded faggot give me attentionJust kill yourself at this point
>>735925867>which is why they turn it sexual.who tf is "they" and do you still see them when you take your meds
>>735905717retard
FUCK SNOYS FUCK SNOYS FUCK SNOYS FUCK SNOYS FUCK SNOYS FUCK SNOYS FUCK SNOYSFUCK YOU, OOT IS THE BEST GAME EVER MADE. GET OUT OF MY FUCKING BOARD YOU DUMBASS ZOOMER MUTTS. FUCK SONY GOD FUCKING DDAMIT
>>735905717>>735906370Indians hands typed this by the way.
hiIs the link for the PC version of Ocarina still behind a Discord server?
It already got remade in 2006.
maybe this time the remake can fix the timeline
>>735927039https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright
>>735913186except it's not a remaster because it's not the shitty n64 project. they didn't master anything. you don't even know what mastering is.everything was made from scratch.thus it's a remake.
>>735926885>getting this mad because someone said that the games you like are shitlmao what a sensitive faggot
>>735905717The remake will expose how garbage modern game design is.
>>735927650lmao exactly, it's still going to be more enjoyable than the vast majority of other games today just like how RE4remake was still the best new RE game despite being inferior to the original
>>735926941Yeah they’ve somewhat hidden who they are and how things work. Essentially there are aliens who created Zelda. They also made the n64 somehow. But, they made it look like humans made it. They also play the game, so it’s this weird situation basically where aliens are clearly making our games, and nobody is saying shit about it for some reason. Nobody even knows what an alien is, we just call them that dude because they aren’t human. A decent topic is in natural evolution, you’ll find disgusting looking people live in sewers, attractive people live in like cold climates, fat Asian and Mexican people live near the beach. Like everyone basically forms their bodies shape to their environment. What would an alien look like? He draws pictures of himself with horns a lot for some reason. He says he’s the devil and he’s torturing us in a fake reality called Hell. And to not ask why hell has video games, and to also not ask how much he liked breeding my mom. Aliens are mysterious, hard to figure it out.
It will be an Ocarina 3D port
>greatest game of all time>overrated I hate zoomers so much. But I know nintendo couldn't do it justice, so the best would be they just porting oot3d with better colors
>>735927347>all those 10/10 games? THEY'RE ALL SHIT!! HAH!!ok retardplease touch a pussy for once in your life bro
Is there any chance at all that this remake beats GTA6 for GOTY at the Game Awards? I would love to see that as it would cause insane levels of seethe even from normies.
Hopefully they make hyrule into like a ghetto new York situation where there’s gorons selling crack rocks and the zora are three times bigger in the ass area so I can tell what one is a woman. I’d prefer to fill my bottles with cum, should have a jacking off minigame where link doesn’t leave his house for months at a time then just plays the song of time after he rapes one of the girls in kokori village
>>735927842Anon a game journalist saying a game is good does not make it true
>>735923616>and parallel dimensionsbecause this is /v/ not /x/ you retarded schizo. the "other half" of games doesnt exist and you're fucking retarded. thats why you got laughed out of court.
>>735928128write a paragraph ranting why each game on that list is bad
>>735917212i played oot3d as my first 3d zelda, thought it was incredible and replayed it many times. many zoomers are in the same boat
>2026>Zelda game, Resident Evil game, GTA game, Tomb Raider game, Castlevania game, Silent Hill game
>"oot is overrated garbage that aged like milk!">never names any games they think are betterevery time
>>735928450All your usual unc games are better
>>735928450BOTW
>>735928450Twilight Princess is OoT 1.5
They are going to ruin it by making it a huge open world and adding botw type shit and terrible voice acting.
They pushed this remake to 2026 on purpose to have it go up against GTA6. It will be a test to see if OOT is still the best game ever.
>>735928652They would be way too much work. It will just be a graphical overhaul with maybe some minor QoL improvements, same as Link's Awakening or Super Mario RPG
>>735925624>Demon's Souls>Red Alert 2>RE4>Catherine>Cave Story>RCT2>Mass Effect>Divinity 2>Sin & Punishment>Max Payne>Star Fox 64>Hotline Miami 2based taste
Imagine Ganon had been pimping out his gerudo women instead of getting each and every woman pregnant himself. But then we’d end up with link ignoring Zelda’s endless demands without any sex in return, link would just be visiting the gerudo palace after robbing rubies from the local storage unit every time his tunic stops covering over his big dick.
>>735923930https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jaj0ugK3AM
Is this a full remake like RE4 Classc --> RE4 Remake or just a graphical remaster. Remake could be interesting but a remaster is pretty useless, they cant get better than the PC version + mods already are.
>>735927135Thanks, but the game is running like shit. When I set it to 144 fps, it continues at 20 fps and says that significant frame rate drops may be occurring.I have an RTX 3090
>>735925624I'm the same as you. Playing games for a bit over 30s years and have played about 1000 games and my favourite games are all from old gens. Top 10 games for me are:1 Zelda OOT2 Zelda MM3 Metal Gear Solid 14 Resident Evil 4 (og)5 Streets of Rage 26 Resident Evil 2 (og)7 Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion8 GTA San Andreas9 Star Fox 6410 Castlevania SOTNI have a big list of like my 100 favourites games but theres no real reason to post that I guess. Most of my favourite games are from the 90s and 00s. Very few of them are from after like 2010.
>>735929106You should not be playing at 120 fps it will bug the fuck out. 60FPS max and thats pushing it. Ideally just play at the original 20 fps or 30 fps.
>>735920454>the second the game becomes widely available to a general publicI honestly do not give a single shit about what doomscrolling tiktok addicted normalniggers think, go watch Love Island or something lol.
>tfw they add Fi noise bullshit to the Master Sword
>>735928975Fish pussy > kokiri pussy > ranch girl pussy > gerudo pussy
>>735929146It doesn't change the game's mechanics, it just interpolates frames, just like the Doom source ports do. But it's not working on my PC. It's stuck at that awful N64 frame rate and is unplayable. You can't run games at 20 fps on an LCD monitor when you need at least 144 fps for the image not to look like total shit...
>>735905717nigga already got his 0 review for metacritic typed up
>>735929367Im a gay man who would absolutely fuck big brother the goron who hugs you. Link runs away because it was trying to fuck his ass. Goron need to be bred quickly and you can’t get caught by hyrule mounted soldiers.
>>735929549I'm not gay but I can totally understand gays being into gorons. Makes sense.
>>735906370Its a weird situation. Its a well known fact now that Ocarina of Time was supposed to have a much more lively overworld, but Miyamoto made the dev team scrap everything at the last minute because he wanted to impliment horseback riding but the hardware just couldnt handle that shit(notice you cant bring epona anywhere besides hyrule field) so they made Hyrule field a big empty plain with a slope to appease Hackmotos austism for Epona. Now obviously theyve had the technology for years to accomplish the original vision...but then they risk the illustrious zelda legacy by re-imagining their golden goose
>>735929367Nabooru is Johnny Bravo.
>>735925624>>735929137Why do boomers have such GOD-tier taste in vidya?
>>735930092Developing taste is just a matter of experience. Even zoomzooms can do it if they play enough shit.
>>735930092Well they have played the most amount of games. It only makes sense if you have been playing games since the NES as you will have seen everything over the years.
>>735906457The 3DS version was more of a semaster (it's bigger than a remaster, and since S follows R ...)
>>735912408what the fuck are you talking about nigga
>>735930013You can bring Epona into Gerudo Valley and Fortress, the latter having many NPCs and a mini-game.
>>735916049Its because its European myth / based on European myth and twisted to fit the modern sensibilities of the permanently aggrieved.
>>735916208>calls oot overrated dogshit>can't even name a single good gamehow so predictable
I cant see zoomers and gen alpha really enjoying this game even in remake form as it will generally be similar probably. Like I very much doubt this will be a Resident Evil type remake. It will probably be something similar ish to the MGS3 Remake or the Oblivion Remake with probably added voice acting. But I can't see it being some like RE2 vs RE2 Remake type thing.
>>735932105It's 100% going to be a breath of the wild style game wearing classic 3d zelda as a skin. Zero chance of a faithful remake. Resident evil's actionized slop remakes are a perfect comparison actually.
>>735911798>you had to be in that time and place.To give you a genuine answer you're half right, many of the visuals and gameplay elements which were astonishing at the time, are quaint now. BUT other things like level design or music, or pacing are timeless, would I recommend it to a kid who's played only a few games from [current year], probably not, in the same way I wouldn't suggest that someone's second car be a model T, but I still maintain the intrinsic qualities of both are there if you're willing to go in with an open mind.
>>735932246>would I recommend it to a kid who's played only a few games from [current year]I would honestly, other than the controls being a bit archaic for someone who has only ever played twin stick stuff it's otherwise aged extremely well.
>>735932236I cant see them doing that as it fucks up too much shit like say outside the Spirit Temple. If it was like BOTW you could just climb up the outside wall to get the mirror shield and silver gloves.
>>735932587You'd be able just slap a cage or something around the chests. I'd be very surprised if the dungeons aren't totally gutted though. Actual dungeons are anathema to modern zelda design.
>>735905717I'm getting real sick and tired of remake culture considering they always go for one that DON'T need a remake.
Isnt the scale of this game going to seem very small if they keep it the same? Like younger people who are used to botw and totk are going to find it weird that Hyrule Castle town is like 1 minute away from death mountain and whatnot
>>735932587Just make all walls shrine-like.
>>735927326>same game>better graphicsthat's a remaster every single timethem redoing everything to make the same game doesn't change that fact
>>735932708>push a block onto the switch>hit the eye switch with an arrowKino...
>>735905717>my favorite eceleb said it's bad so I have to parrot him so some day he'll say my name on video!
>remakeNo thanks. I'm just gonna do another randomizer run.
So are you guys just a bunch of anhedonic retards who start frothing at the mouth when someone actually enjoys something popular because your dopamine receptors are fried from thousands of hours on this website?
I dont think OoT needs a remake, but if they are gonna do it anyway, i'd love to see nintendo lean more into the child/adult mechanic. Its sad original only used it for the spirit temple.
>>735933621Honestly I'm always gonna have some version of OoT on hand for the original, may as well just see how modern Nintendo or Aonuma fuck with things. They do not have the mindset they had 15 years ago.
>>735905717Zoomer here. Played the 3DS version and loved it. Worth playing the original still? If so, do I emulate it or play Ship of Harkinian?
>>735933962Ship is your better bet because you can get the 3DS QoL for binding things like the Iron Boots to a button, and D-Pad inventory. If you go straight back to N64, it's mostly framerate, and a lack of the 3DS version's QoL changes; knowledge and reflex carry since the game is near 1:1 in design and control, but you don't get gyro, Water Temple lacks the lines for where each water level change is, and it's three C-Buttons for inventory screen items only.
>>735933962its so funny how you can spot the disingenuous larpers. larping as if the original and the 3ds are different in any meaningful way. the biggest tell is even knowing what ship of harkinian is. actual know-nothing zoomers will have never heard of it or give a shit. posts like this are just disingenuous cheap excuses to name drop their stupid mod in order to try and spread popularity by word of mouth. anyone that actually has heard of it will know what it is and whether they want to bother. you're extremely transparent.
>>735933368Better than having literally nothing like open slop zelda.
>>735927034The same hands that are working on the remake most likely
>>735933962>>735934132samefag
Finally, I can play the actual version of Ocarina of Time, the way it was meant to be played. Not the original slop.
>>735934571Sounds like something George Lucas would say.
Leaked remake footage:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC656o7_zVk
>>735934718I can't get through like a minute without wanting to kill myself.
They will ruin the music with orchestral or too laid-back, no-soul remix nonsense, and it pisses me off. Synthesizers = soul; stop aping after Judaism/Hollywood.
>>735935494They can just let the player choose original or remix, but Nintendo would never.
>>735935494oot's music is awful. the horns sound like farting through a kazoo. modern/orchestral arrangements and remixes of the same sheet music always sound better.
>>735934718that's the fakes shit ever. Here, save some real leaked footage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FLQ_h_LaqA
>>735935601>but Nintendo would never.they literally did that with mario rpg.
>>735906370Judging a game based on how it offends people today is so modern audience of you.
The modern zoomer agenda is just nitpicking and shitting on classic media and culture while providing nothing else to overtake it because zoomers are just brainwashed commie zombies from tiktok trying to subvert everything because chinks on tiktok told them to
>>735935784Seriously, not even Playstation fanboys complained about OoT's music back in the day.
>>735935784Zoomers are just jaded that uncs think of their masterpiece as 6/10 game at best. They'll never get to feel what a good game and never acquire a taste.
>>735905717It's fun.It's perfectly sized and paced.It does what it wants to do and wraps it up. If anything it'll be hailed as refreshing with how drawn out the zelda games got later in the series.
>>735930013And thank Shiggy for that
>>735905717i want a fromsoft zelda game, and this would be super easy to do with how they did elden ring, or dark souls 1. make the game normally, with all the bullshit a souls game entails in terms of difficulty, and make that hero mode. for the default difficulty, take away enemy moves, make them do less damage, and give them longer periods of standing around doing nothing.
>>735911656>Time has not been kind to OoTIt's held up very well, the targeting alone does a ton of heavy lifting, if they hadn't figured that out, it'd be incredibly rough. What makes OoT stand up to time is that the dungeons are short and sweet, and the optional stuff is interesting, but also short and sweet, and usually is in the form of "Show the player something that sticks out but they can't deal with at the moment, then introduce the tool that interacts with it, and the player can remember the thing, they go back, and get rewarded" but it's not necessary, in most cases.It doesn't linger or pad it out, Hyrule field is sparse, but mostly serves as just picking the densely filled areas that hold most of what you'll be doing before the dungeons in their area. Much of the game is *Small* and it makes it very palatable. It doesn't lock things behind annoying long puzzles and platforming.
>>735935784I wouldn't really blame Zoomers (directly) for that, I'd blame millenials/X for being youtubers that shit on games and then Zoomers just repeat it. Millenials/X are ultra cynics that are allergic to sincerity and try to be contrarian because they think playing devil's advocate makes them smart.
>>735936429>It doesn't linger or pad it outlmao, it has incredibly lengthy cutscenes for unnecessary things like opening chests and closing doors. its probably the one zelda game that wastes the player's time the most. slow combat, slow movement, slow menus and text boxes, interruptions galore. it probably has the lowest gameplay density of any zelda as well.
>>735936665I don’t blame zoomers I blame chinks that intentionally are trying subvert western society into hating anything canon to culture. And I know OOT is Japanese and not Western but it’s not chinese so it must be destroyed
>>735932246>level designa better time for sure
>>735905717>You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
>>735936834so modern audiences would love it
>>735936834>6 seconds opening big chests>1/2 second closing doors>Text boxes you can hit the A button to skip ahead and complete the text box>35 second long cutscenes, mostly before and after dungeons and getting fairy upgradesOpening chests in Twilight Princess and ToTK are both 5.5 seconds. It's half a second faster than OoT, and in BoTW/ToTK every chest stops you, there's no small chests. Games after OoT had more, longer cutscenesand nearly the same animations opening doors, and chests. There's no way you played Twilight Princess, or Wind Waker. Wind Waker has a ton more "Downtime" with the ocean and triforce hunt, and I still liked it.
>>735923578You're right about this and people arguing otherwise are being dipshits.OoT is more advanced and polished than most of what came out after in so many ways, it's very unlike games that were its contemporaries and closer to a post Souls game with actually tighter designed action elements, but just lacking in aggressive enough enemies.
>>735937493Honestly it's probably the biggest "issue" on replays when you know where everything is, the cinematic focus drags these games down pretty hard where every puzzle, every large chest and every story point is just kind of an unskippable thing. And when Nintendo went into their "WE GOTTA HAVE A TUTORIAL FOR /EVERYTHING/" phase, boy fucking howdy that dragged the games down. I seriously need to sit down and play TP again some time but that shit is out of hand, even Skyward Sword HD at least trimmed some excess fat off the top knowing how drawn out it was.
>>735905717In 10 years we're going to get a botw remake
>>735905717The original did that.
>>735905717>The remake will finally expose how massively overrated it ishow, it can also show that the remake is ass, play the original game you fucking zooms zooms
>>735921429>The guys who say stuff like about Mario RPG and OOT are the same ones who claim "Back to the Future" is the best movie ever.You keep saying this shit in thread after thread. You're just exposing yourself as someone who doesn't get the game at even the most basic level, because nobody who did would continuously compare a game as well thought out as OoT with an emotionally shallow but 'fun' movie like BttF.OoT is much closer in quality to something like an early Beethoven composition, where it absolutely beautifully contrasts a variety of shades of feeling into a cohesive whole that greatly surpasses all the parts that make it up. If this goes over your head, then you lack the maturity to even appreciate a game aimed at children (though on the level of quality of a great, classic children's story).
>>735938137>am i as mentally shallow and willfully ignorant of sense, facts, and quality as a bttf stan?>no, its everyone else that is wrong and oot is perfectspoken like a true zealot that missed the point completely. good job proving him right.
>>735938137Asking a person what they think about OoT is a good litmus test in general whether they can understand quality or not.
>>735937561my opinion of Oot comes from dabbling in action adventure games that followed it and never really finding anything that was enough of an improvement to eclipse it or isn't so far removed that it's apple n oranges. industry as a whole massively overemphasizes combat and streamlined linearity..
>>735938137BttF and ocarina are pretty comparable. expert craftsmanship, impeccably designed entertainment, shallow/immature by nature.
>>735938695If OoT is shallow then games shouldn't be deep, simple as.
>>735937719Games that ask if you know how to play and skips the handholding is so good. OoT did pretty good incorporating a lot of it into the gameplay, later titles had you sit down and fuck around for 5 minutes rather than a 10 second text box and a puzzle to progress.
>>735938291correct. people that consider it high quality instantly reveal themselves to be mentally deficient. meanwhile, other people can recognize that it was novel at the time but has aged horribly and stands as a primitive foray into the medium. anyone that ignores facts and valid criticism for the purpose of saying "best game ever, 10/10, flawless masterpiece" is nothing more than an ignorant zealot.
>>735938818Congratulations on failing the litmus test
>>735915926>any game made before the PS4 era was a janky messfr fr no cappee ess quad be bussin bussin tho
>"game that everybody loves is heckin' overrated i need to get mad at it!!"
>>735938695>shallow/immature by natureWhat do you mean by this?Because someone else in this thread (Hopefully not you) is arguing it's bogged down with too many cutscenes and too much story.The gameplay is basic, it's fundamental, but it's an absolutely solid foundation that they nailed. I don't think that's "Immature" or "Shallow", rather, "Basic", it's just as deep as it needs to be. It doesn't have a sphere grid or sigil system you have to decipher with 4+ page tutorials, because it simply didn't need such a system.
>>735938861>my litmus test is to find other brainless zealotslmao i dont want to be a part of such a group anyway. you're objectively retarded. being smug about the side you're on doesnt change the fact that you're demonstrably retarded for putting oot on a pedestal.
>>735938934>arguing it's bogged down with too many cutscenes and too much story.not the anon you're responding to and not what i said either. i said it doesnt respect the player's time with how long and frequent the interruptions are, and how slow every action is.
>>735918389I always got a sort of engineering/civic infrastructure vibe off of it. Not as much as the Great Bay temple, but, somewhat similar
>>735938964You cant undestand nuance. I can go back to play the original OoT and it still looks, plays and sounds good. It has great pacing and makes many games look bad that came after it. Thats quality. People dont forget OoT because its still good.
>>735918389It always seemed like some sort of Zora housing complex like an Insula, with some utility/business rooms and some "Home" rooms.
>>735939027I semi agree if you're comparing with a game like Dark Souls where you can skip everything and picking up anything is just a split second notification you can dispel, but, I find DeS/DaS 1 to 3 to have much more egregious "Time wasters" like every swamp section that has to be in every souls game. I love DaS 1 and 3, but both are plagued with "Those" sections more than once that are just an utter drag, which is why I otherwise praise OoT for being short enough to avoid "Those" sections, sometimes you just gotta cut your losses, DaS would have been better off cutting Lost Izalith as OoT cut the light temple. Comparing to later games in the same series, it's rather on par with things taking time, and especially in contrast to games after 2014 it respects your time more than "Slow tedious section to mask loading zones while a character yells instructions", although I know OoT had the luxury of being a cartridge as far as that goes.
>>735939170>still looks, plays and sounds goodas such, you demonstrate a lack of intelligence, critical thought, or understanding of standards and quality. you have failed in 30 years to develop. by all means, have fun. thats not the issue at all. but to call it good or enduring quality is laughably wrong. it aged like milk, much like the musket.
It's not gonna be a remake, it will a 3rd game with the hero of time
>>735939492even (and especially really) lttp respects your time more.
>>735939516Hurling insults rather than trying to articulate a counterpoint isn't intelligent.I'm not that guy you're replying to, but, >LooksThe art style carries the limited hardware in creating a unique atmosphere, going with high resolution renders for textures helps the game look better than a lot of it's contemporaries and still looks pretty good. The way it places the camera in different locations helps overcome a lot of the limitations by giving very flattering perspectives, which still holds up.>PlaysThe Z targeting is still used to good effect in later games, and in other series. Puzzles and challenges aren't full of fighting with the controls and are rather intuitive. A lot of the dungeon design eases you into learning things on your own through practice to keep the flow going, and nothing overstays it's welcome. It's biggest weakness is the first person camera due to only using one stick, and not using the D Pad. Choices like making Link jump on running at an edge really helps the player with mobility rather than awkwardly trying to integrate platforming that'd just fight with the camera. >SoundsI personally love the music design and and sound design. It's subjective, but I believe the usage of sampling in the music is interesting and well done. Each area conveys what you need to know and sets the tone quite well, creepy areas sound creepy, imposing areas sound imposing, mystical areas sound mystical. The sound effects are also pleasing. This is easily one of the most subjective sections, but, I think as far as designing music and sounds for a game goes, they did a great job on the atmosphere.
>>735939847>>Looksit does the best it can with what is has, but it doesnt really hold up. >>Playscamera control has been surpassed. the puzzles are literal baby tier. dungeon design is extremely basic. every action is extremely slow. places are empty and barren. combat is utterly abysmal. every single aspect has been iterated upon and improved upon. >soundsagain, the horns sound like farts through a kazoo. and i say this as somebody that grew up with a sega genesis and that infamous sound chip. i dont really have a problem with any of the other sounds in the game though.
>>735906370>>735905717i played ocarina of time for the first time ever on the 3DS and i thought the whole package was pretty good
>>735940281Those "flaws" are what make the game what it is, if you change that it becomes soulless modern slop, a soulless consumer like you will never understand
>>735940453>appeal to made up nonsensepathetic cope. nobody cares how the game makes you "feel". nobody cares if it was there for you more than your parents were during the divorce. nobody cares if "modern games" dont give those same "feelings" because you're older now. "um actually, its good BECAUSE its bad" might actually be the dumbest thing said in this entire thread.
>>735940349thats exactly what it is: pretty good
>>735925586Almost all of the temples have a weird theme to them except the adult water and both fire temples. Kid link temples> go inside a living tree that's dying to clear it of a sickness> water temple go inside the guts of a whale and fight weird organsAs soon as you walk out as adult link youre introduced to the once vibrant town with an ugly color palette and zombiesAfter majoras mask the temple designs kind of got boring and samey
>>735940281>but it doesnt really hold up.I think it does, but I'm an art direction > fidelity kind of guy. I think it does a better job than a lot of games, it still has visual clarity and good designs, and the renders look good. It's not ebin ultra RTX on, but, I prefer the deliberate artistic choices. I also liked Wind Waker for similar reasons. The intent is all conveyed well. You're not blindsided by awful character design or clashing designs. It holds up just fine because of it.>Camera controlAlready acknowledged it's a weak spot.>The puzzles are baby tierThat's fine enough, it didn't need to be too much more complex for an adventure game, most "Puzzles" are mini challenges that play into the core gameplay of navigating or using tools, the puzzles that try to make you think are just difficult enough, without being egregious, and because of that ends up doing better than most games that either need to feed you info to solve it, are arcane, or has an NPC yelling the solution at you after 10 seconds. Most non puzzle games usually struggle with good difficulty, most resorting on things like light puzzles, slide puzzles, or similar, although I do appreciate good word puzzles that don't just give you an answer. My favorite part in ToTK was the puzzle shrines, although half of them are ultra basic, the few that actually took a little brainpower were very enjoyable and I appreciate the evolution.>Every action is extremely slowI don't think so. It's not really any slower than games that followed.>Places are empty and barrenHyrule field, sure. Towns and the like, no. They're small and have plenty enough secrets without feeling claustrophobic. For the most part, areas are as big as they need to be for their purpose, and they scatter things like collectibles, holes, and additional things in those areas. >Combat is utterly abysmalI disagree. It's simple but it's a good foundation.(Sorry but I need another post.)
>>735941245>>735940281>the horns sound like farts through a kazooI disagree I think it sounds fine enough like in the boss theme and Ganondorf's entrance, brass just kinda sounds like that in songs like in the shop theme, but I do get what you mean there, although I think it's still fine.I believe OoT deserves it's 98 for being a simple, very functional model, that expresses basically the goal for every game going forward, mastery over the basics. I think it's done a good enough job that even now it can be enjoyed. I don't think OoT is the APEX game forever the best ever nothing can beat it, I believe it is an exceptional game that still stands the test of time especially as an example to aspire towards.
These threads are tiring.
>>735941245>and the renders look goodwe can be forgiving of its limitations, but lets not be retarded. >I also liked Wind Waker for similar reasons. ww has a good style, and the only reason why people hated it was the spaceworld tech demo bait and switch. if that video never happened, people would have been fine with ww's graphics and art style. >That's fine enough, it didn't need to be too much more complex "look up, shoot eye/crystal" or "push box along the marked path" is pathetic. "get fire item. light torches" is as basic as it gets. >I don't think so.well think again, because there are tons of games that respect your time more. >Hyrule field, sure. Towns and the like, no.there are plenty of empty hallways, and rooms with a staggered path for the sole purpose of "wow isnt 3d amazing?". populating it with some grass and pots is not an excuse. >combathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_GBLESmVe4wait. attack. wait. attack. wait. attack. its slow, non-threatening, and retarded. enemies dancing around you doing literally nothing is retarded. only 1 enemy engaging you at a time is retarded. "but link can do a variety of sword moves!" that literally do not matter because the combat situations and enemies do not make use of them. wishful thinking about how good it "could/should" be does not change how it IS.
>>735941751>I believe OoT deserves it's 98im willing to let it have its 98 AT THE TIME, but it objectively does not hold up at all and only somebody willfully ignorant would think otherwise.
>>735941930Dear god, he's citing game journo gameplay.
>>735942257yeah, im so sorry that i dont have the usual combat webms saved and this was the first short clip that came up from a search. dont try to lie that any other video would change your mind and get you to see truth.
>>735942003the only genuinely bad content in the game that wouldn't be fixed by a graphical overhaul or moderate streamlining is hyrule field. everything else is ok at worst.
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>>735942528no argument.
>>735941794The threads on the first day were good, people who enjoy OoT actually talked about how a remake might preserve its good qualities while actively improving on its flaws.Now the conversations are dominated by retards and trolls obsessed with 'taking down' OoT and claiming all kinds of bullshit instead of understanding what worked vs what didn't and aiming to figure out how to make the game the best it could be.It's unfortunate.
>>735943138oot "discussion" for years has simply been zealots saying that its a flawless masterpiece. a remake in the wind makes these zealots come out of the woodwork, but they dont realize how many people dont agree with them anymore.
>>735905717All I could ask for a remake is bringing the original idea of the medallions having an actual use for dungeons. Maybe even adding the expansion that was originally intended for it with the 64DD.
>>735941930>we can be forgiving of its limitations, but lets not be retarded.Nigga it's one of the best looking games of the generation. What? do you want expect some sort of 4k sloppa?
>>735945859>if i only compare it to other shit, its not so badonce again, "good at the time" is not an argument.
>>735911656The current shiteating gaming audience will absolutely need a Deku tree tutorial to get used to 3D because most modern 3D games arent 3D at all.They are flat surfaces with nearly no verticality.Almost all games are either flat open world dogshit where even if you climb something you dont really have something to consider above you or dumbed down hallways where you arent allowed to change the Z axis because it would be too complicated for movie gamers.The average modern gamer will NOT be able to handle true 3D thinking which Zelda utilized since ALTTP (despite being 2D). I dont even think he will be able to keep previous room layouts in his mind the way its required for several puzzles that play out across the whole dungeon.You think players who defend yellow paint could be tossed into the water temple and be just fine? Really?
>>735946876Listen bud, i know you really want to win an argument against OoT not being a masterpiece, but to everyone else on this thread you just come along as a massive retard
>>735946876Alright anon, show us what you think looks good.
>>735946952I want to say the modern gamer would never figure out to jump from the top of the tree to the web below but I don't think they would even make it past the first skulltulla.>woooooooow the giant spider knocks me down everytime I try to climb the wall what am I supposed to do
>>735946978cope harder faggot. you know that it looks like shit and your way out is to compare it to other early 3d SHIT. realistically you know that it looks awful, but you refuse to admit it, because you are obligated to never say anything bad about oot. you're just a disingenuous faggot. the truth and proof are self evident, no matter how much you rage at me.>>735947112see the second part of: >>735916208
>>735937719Skyward Sword had Fi telling you obvious things constantly. There was a lot of hand holding. TP's worst part was the first couple hours, there should have been an option to skip the tutorials or speed things up somehow. I wonder at what point did Nintendo decide players absolutely must have every little thing explained to them. The Pokémon games got especially bad in this regard. Like were there kids who just got completely confused and filtered as soon as they stepped into the woods with the bugs in Pokémon Red so future games had to explain everything? I suppose it must have been around the end of the GameCube era, since they were going into unfamiliar territory by developing the Wii with an unconventional controller and they needed to idiot proof it.
>>735947745>I suppose it must have been around the end of the GameCube erayes, the more people on the internet, the more they saw retards giving "feedback" and realized just how many idiots there are. but idiots buy games, so they make sure get the money.
>>735947424Answer the question anon, it's not hard. Give us some games you think look good. No deflection.
>>735947864the fact that you cant think of anything in 30 years of gaming progress says a lot more about you and how worthless your input is. my refusal to cater to your obvious transparent nonsense is nothing compared to that.
>>735947991What I think looks good isn't the question here, it's what you think looks good. Answer it. Tell us.
>>735905717Is it really that bad though? Linear story, a little bit of side content that was cool as a kid, dungeon puzzles, boss fights...
>>735948130aww, poor baby cant think for himselflmao get fucked, retard.
>>735948195conceptually its fine. its a zelda game. realistically it doesnt hold up. it aged like milk.
>>735948242So you can't then? No opinions of your own? Sasuga zoomie, no thoughts, only what some retarded streamer told you to think.
>>735948381my personal opinions about other games are irrelevant. why do you want to know so badly? what do you intend to do with such information?>no thoughts, only what some retarded streamer told you to think.im sure thats how you assume the rest of the world works because thats how you work, but once again mental deficiency shines through in your own disservice.
>>735948493>i think *game* looks badOk, so what do you think looks good?>nooooooo I won't(can't) tell youOk, so you have no actual opinions of your own.>aieeeeee my opinions aren't relevantThen it doesn't matter what you think is good or bad, does it?
>>735948682my opinions on other games are irrelevant because they arent the topic of this thread. again i ask why you want to know and how you intend to respond to such information. i mean, its rhetorical because i already explained that i know exactly what your intent is. you clowns are extremely predictable and transparent. but im curious as to what fake justification you can try to come up with to convince me to answer. you'll probably avoid it because you cant think of anything other than your obvious motives that i already stated.
>>735948848So you don't play games at all. Got it. I'd expect as much from a zoomer. Can't even name one game you think looks good.
>>735948195nah its great and deserves the rating to this day.this type of game also doesnt get made anymore so it should remind people that things could be better.but thats not whats going to happen. if it ends up being a faithful remake "people" will lash out that it doesnt adhere to current soulless streamlined industry guidelines.
>>735905717SEQUELITIS WAS RIGHT!
>>735948983lmao more like wont.like most sapient beings, i find the vast majority of games in the last 20 years to be objective improvements on primitive 3d shit like oot. they're self evident. but you needing to be hand fed a single title continues to only reflect poorly on you. desperate, seething, retarded.
>>735949058im surprised it took 483 replies for anyone to bring it up, considering how deeply it mindbroke zealots and how they never recovered.
>>735949076Curious, and yet you can't actually name a single one.
>i find the vast majority of games in the last 20 years to be objective improvements on primitive 3d shit like ootfucking lmao
>>735949110it was so right that egoraptor apologized for it later, saying that he didnt believe most of the things said in it.
>>735949163why would i give a retard the satisfaction? especially when i can see through him.
>>735949227>anon has eyes but cannot see death mountain
>>735949205your literacy is abysmal, because thats not what he said at all, lmao.he said that it came from a more malicious place, and that he regrets making something with sort of intent. nowhere in his long "apology" does he recant a single point he made. he regrets framing it in a way to make oot specifically look bad, when his original sequelitis intent was to talk about game design stuff. thats it. and the only 2 things in his video that are his own problems are "thing out of nowhere" (arin's lack of object permanence and attention) and "why cant i just GO there? why cant i just climb this? why do i have to do a stupid errand first" is just impatience. literally everything else in the video is 100% valid, and oot fags have never recovered. quite literally, their only response is "but look at how badly he played" as if that magically undoes the truth of words and concepts.
>>735949406lol
reading this thread right now.not looking good for OoT haters desu.
>>735949580i accept your concession.
>>735905717>>735906370Replaying it last year made me realize the gameplay itself sucks ass. It was a good foundation which they could use going into the future to create better 3D Zelda games, but it wasn't that good. The most it has is aura, I'll give it that.
>>735949971Wrong, link is completely unable to pilot an aura battler.
>>735905717it not going to be a 1:1 remake, nintendo isn't that stupid. hyrule field will probably be huge open-world area, the rest of the locations and dungeons will be linear.
>>735949615OoT haters mostly apply modern game arguments to a title from 1998 that's the sole reason all these modern open world games have the mechanics and features that it does, OoT walked so the rest of the genre could run.
>>735930998What the fuck are you saying? Are you retarded, brown, underage, or all three?
>>735951338OoT mogs most open world slop.If retards believe that the way games are being made now is in any way good they are beyond salvation already.
>>735951576actually, thinking about it OoT mogs every single open world slop game.
>>735951592>>735951576nostalgiaretards need help
>>735952086go push some rock into a rock shaped hole to get pick up another korok, retard.