>at least I own my ga-ACK!
>>735918374>didn't make a copy on a floppyskill issue
>not printing out the raw source code on paperskill issue
>>735918374This is why you shouldn't store your discs in an aquarium anon
>>735918374don't store it in the sun, look into transferring copies of it into digital forms and onto more durable physical mediums.the original disks can sometimes be iffy depending on sunlight exposure and the paint used to cover the top of it.
>>735918374My PS1 discs are just fine. Disc rot is a retarded zoomer cope.
do the discs have to be laying down on your grandma's desk for 20years before it starts rotting or something?none of my ps1 and ps2 discs are like this but i'm also not a retarded and kept them in boxes
>>735918374All my disks and cartridges are fine. Literally just live in a clean house without moldy mushrooms growing in your walls and everything should be fine.
>>735918374>not ripping the contents and backing it up on your own hard drivesAnon, come one now...
>>735918374I have functional cds from the early 80s. If you are retarded and allow this to occur to your stuff, you wouldn't be able to maintain a hard drive either.
>>735919839>>735920839>>73592099850-70% of GameCube discs are suffering from disc rot. In the next 10 years it will be even worse.
>>735921090>50-70%That is way too high. Out of 50ish GC games that I own, only three have started to bubble.
>>735921090Label delamination is not disc rot and does not affect the playability.Disc rot is the oxidation of the data layer of the disc and only affects discs stored in miserable conditions, certain laserdisc pressings, low quality CD-Rs, and Sega Saturn games.
>>735920519No, it just requires that the discs were made badly, there is little to nothing you can do to prevent it.CDs are fine, especially PS1 discs since they were extremely durable.Single Layer DVDs are mostly fine.Dual Layer DVD will fail over time if exposed to UV, that includes just being in sunlit rooms when taking your game out of the case - the UV degrades the adhesive holding the layers together and it will eventually delaminate.BD were designed to fail.
>>735919713>>735919839i have a copy of san andreas on xbox360 that's fucking rotting, it was never in the fucking sun or anywhere but its casemeanwhile, my disc of half life 1 is pristineso, it depends, it seems like disc rot is more common with either newer disc productions or discs made for slopsoles exclusively
>>735919839>Disc rot is a retarded zoomer cope.Nah, it's a real thing, just ask any Laserdisc collector. It's a manufacturing defect so it only affects discs printed from certain plants.
>>735923228like I said, one of the factors is actually the paint ON the disc.
>>735920987you can do that with steam games though
I always wonder how much of a disgusting nigger you need to be to get disc rot.My oldest CD is about 30 years old and still works.I have burnt CDs in my car; they never leave the car, day and night, sun and rain, all seasons. They're in one of those CD wallets people used back in the day. The oldest one is from fall 2007 and it still works.
>>735923016label delamination is different from chemicals in the paint causing a slow reaction to the underlying layers.
>>735918374>Digitalcuck doesn't take proper care of his propertyDeserved tbqdesu
>>7359228346% is too high, what the fuck is wrong with you fucking retards? do you routinely water your discs then leave then out in the sun for weeks on end? jfc.
>>735923016>Disc rot is the oxidation of the data layer of the discCorrect, it's caused by air bubbles stuck under the data layer interacting with the metal inside the data layer. And>and only affects discs stored in miserable conditions,Not true, unless we are talking India level miserable, in which case you have bigger problems than your CDs.>certain laserdisc pressings,Correct, it's mostly caused by certain manufacturing plants making defects. But for laserdiscs it's not just oxidation, but also the glue holding the discs together being chemically unstable.>low quality CD-Rs,Sort of. Low quality CDRs usually have an chemical composition which gives away over time; that's not disc "rot", it's just CDRs sucking. It also depends on what type of data layer the discs are stored on, some have it worse than others. And storing discs under sunlight or in closed boxes will accelerate the decomposition.>and Sega Saturn games.this is COMPLETELY false. The only reason Saturn games are rotting is because they came in fucked up shit cases which did not protect the games, especially for PAL titles. But I've yet to see one that was affected by disc rot.
>>735921090>shitspost about disc rot after being told how much specific discs are not affected by it>brings out other specific discs well known of their manufacturing flaws>said discs are a tiny minority among game discsBtw, my few GC games are fine as today. Don't store them underwater, tardo
>>735923332>like I said, one of the factors is actually the paint ON the disc.I have a disc with 0 paint on the front that still developed disc rot. Some search revealed that it was caused by a faulty plant and at some point they had a program for replacing affected discs. Mine got the issue long after the program ended. I think it was the Mercury label using a German manufacturing plant.So, again, a manufacturing defect.
>>735918514Don't copy that floppy!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
>>735923841There seems to be some kind of communication error.I never said the paint was the ONLY thing that could cause the fucking disk to delaminate.it CAN CONTRIBUTE, is what I said.
>>735923841>a manufacturing defectmore like a brain defect on your part, if you are not shitposting then stop storing discs in shit conditions you fucking retard
>>735918374I have CDs older than most of the people on this board that are in perfect condition. Disc rot is a meme if you store things properly.
just memorize the 1s and 0s you casuals
>>735918606>>not printing out the raw source code on p- A-ACK!
I'm amused by this complete denial that manufacturing defects exist (because we all know companies never EVER cut corners) and that physical deformities are 100% always caused by negligence and no other possible reason.
>>735923228>san andreas>7th gen versionIt deserves to rot.
>>735924229>I'm amused by this complete denial that manufacturing defects existHaven't read it in this thread.
>>735918374You don't know clearly shit about disc rot. Disc rot rarely happens to CD's, DVD and Blu Rays. I have Sega CD games from 1991 and none of them have disc rot. In fact of my 200 disc based games and movies none of them have disc rot (and most of them are 20+ years old)Only disc format susceptible to disc rot are Laserdiscs. I have 4 Laserdiscs with disc rot. One of the discs has turned almost completely brown (still plays because it's an analogue audio Laserdisc)
>letting something you own fall into disrepair means you don't own it anymoreWhat did he mean by this?
>>735924410>Only disc format susceptible to disc rot are LaserdiscsGC and Saturn are prone too IIRC
>>735919839It's real but it's mostly due to manufacturing errors and shit is far from common. Youngsters act like this happens to every disc ever and not just the few that were made like ass
>>735923986This. Maybe in some humid countries you can get disc rot. But only format that really gets disc rot are laserdiscs. Disc rot on those is very real. But outside of laserdiscs you shouldn't worry about disc rot. I have 16 Sega CD games and none of them have disc rot. My Saturn games also are disc rot free. And so are my newer disc based games. And none of my DVD movies have it either. Even my CD albums from the 80s are disc rot free. Only discs that I own that have disc rot are 4 laserdiscs that's it.
>>735924424It means that those ceiling birds in OP's house that won't stop chirping are free and we should take them, obviously.
>>735924571None of my Saturn games have disc rot. I don't own a Gamecube so don't know about that one.
>>735924713Minidiscs had air bubble issues in manufacturing.
>>735921090>>735923756>>735924571Where are people even getting this from? Trying to look it up, the only results I'm seeing are other people asking if the rumors are true or clickbait articles that accomplish nothing beyond just explain what discrot is (or say stupid shit like saying a Twin Snake disc with a flaking label is an example of disc rot)
>>735918606Your telling me by having a random list of zeros and ones I could replicate a game 1:1?
>>735921090I've been reading this sentence for 10 years at least.
>>735918374Ive seen disks fucking explode twice in a PC, both times it was Yuri's Revenge.
>>735918374A company cannot take the disc away from you. A company can and has taken away digital games from people.
>>735930513Works on my machine
>>735919839This. Im convinced the people with disc rot just live in swamps.
What happens when the consoles degrade?
My copy of Melee is 20 years old and I just played it recently and it still works just fine. Zoomer games last for one year before the online servers get shut off lol.
>>735926367...yeah
>>735921090>50-70% of GameCube discs are suffering from disc rotWhich is false. What people think is disc rot is just the paint flaking off of cheaply made games like the infamous twin snakes image.
>>735934983to be fair the community basically keeping gamecube alive is smash bros melee fans, so, they dont really "live" in a swamp, its just their bodily fluids dispersing into the air causing the humidity
>>735934983>cheaply made games like the infamous twin snakes image.What other games even do it? TS is the only one I have where this is happening.
>>735924187>not inscribing it on stonesounds like a you issue
>>735936019Discs... Of stone?NOW WE'RE TALKIN'!
One time my 360 was jostled while playing a game and it melted part of the disc, but the small area of the map around where I saved last was still playable so I played on that small area for many hours.
Works on my machine
Reminder that you can help preservation by submitting dump metadata to Redump (optical media) and No-Intro (cartridges and digital downloads, including DRM-free PC releases).https://dumping.guide/http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Dumping_GuidesFor the record, this infograph (back from 2022) is not about missing official releases for those consoles. All of them were dumped. It's meant to indicate how many got a single dump, and how many got 2 or more.>what drives do I need to dump CD games?http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Optical_Disc_Drive_Compatibility:_CDFor PS2 and PC DVD games, any DVD drive will work fine.>why are verifications important?>Verifications are vital in verifying that the information in the database is accurate, and that a dump is reproduceable by another person using the same tools and methods. An existing dump could be erroneous due to a variety of factors, including user error, hardware and software issues, and more. Furthermore, even when someone is doing everything correctly and has adequate software and hardware, there is a chance that their dump could be incorrect, due to the way data sectors on a disc are read and validated (especially Compact Discs). In most cases, the data will be read and verified successfully, but the process of reading data is not infallible, so there are times when a second dump of the same disc could provide differing information. Verifications help to identify and correct some of these issues.The software used for this purposes is MPF (Windows-only), which serves as a frontend for DIC and Redumper (and Aaru too).https://github.com/SabreTools/MPF/releases/latestYou can also use their standalone versions (ALSO available for Mac and Linux):https://github.com/saramibreak/DiscImageCreator/releases/latesthttps://github.com/superg/redumper/releases/latest
>>735936019>just c- A-ACK!
>>735926367>randomNo.
ps1 games are literally still regularly sold and tradeddisc rot is cope by people who just don't have the ability to look after their possessions
Using chatgpt i am making a new llm that will predict the next bit in sequence until a copyrighted video game entire source code is replicated. Since you would be generating code locally it's not piracy.Soon it will generate the greatest video game of all time and I will sell you a license to play it
most if not all times disc rot, while real happens because faulty manufacture. just like all that consoles that turn yellow.is chemicals, bad mix of fire retardant break and change the color of plastic. it can happen due time, sun exposure or something else. and can happen only to one part of the plastic. like only front or back part of a cartridge.If all copies of twin snakes were made in a bad batch. then they are all fucked.movie collectors know that some batches of DVD by warner brothers in early 2000s have this issue and sometimes they even got replacements.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ovUB-OavE&pp=ygUTd2FybmVyYnJvc3MgZGlzY3JvdNIHCQnZCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3Dregular discs re not supposed to rot that easily. even when they have organic layers. Htl blurays basically don't have this issue
>>735937706It's not always a cope. But the vast majority of the time it happens, it does because they were poorly manufactured (i.e.: Warner Advanced Media Operations during the HD DVD era that also affected standard DVDs; and Philips and Dupont Optical from 1988 to 1993.)
>>735937705I mean if you have infinite time you could yea. You'd also need to get lucky and have an infinite time to make software that can look through the infinite generations to find something that works.
>>735937879The problem is despite having completely tailored things being fun, you also need fixed story/settings/characters type stuff because humanity is a shared experience, and you want to talk to others about it. Having to try to describe your char waifu X to another person who has waifu Y would be impossible given the scale that everyone has a uniquely generated waifu.
>>735937706>Just buy a new one broThe ability to look after your possessions is predicated on maintenance and replacing failing parts, which is incompatible with copy protection and formats that are proprietary or require special hardware to read.
I don't have many discs anymore but my parents music collection is completely fine
is this disc any good?
>>735918374anti-format shifters get the rope.>squeeze + 3 yil
>>735937932Twin Snakes flaking label is not fucking disc rot. Stop parroting this.
>>735921090My fucking copy of Soul Caliber 2 is scratched to shit and it still works
>>735940086are there any other gamecube games with flaky labels I should know about?
>>735919713>transferring copies of it into digital forms and onto more durable physical mediumsCopy protection. May as well just pirate it.
>>735923984>more like a brain defect on your part, if you are not shitposting then stop storing discs in shit conditions you fucking retardIt was, and still is, stored in its original jewel case, on a shelf with a glass door, on a corner where sunlight barely reaches it. It has been played 5-6 times in its entire life and four of those were me dumping the disc on my PC and getting increasingly more read errors over the years. By now I can visually spot the disc rot on the unreadable spots.I also have a laserdisc that was error free 20 years ago, showed signs of rot but was still playable to the end 15 years ago (I made a recording of it on a DVR), and it unplayable today.Manufacturing defects are real, deal with it.
>>735924571>Saturn are prone too IIRCWhat's your source on this? I've had 400+ saturn discs and they all dumped fine with no errors. They were mostly PAL and JAP though, so it's possible that US discs were prone to disc rot.
>>735918374>Doesn't have backups of all his shit.
>>735942356hard drives bitrot faster than discs
>>735918374KEKYPOWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>735924187>>735937615KRAKABOOOOOOM
>>735926367Source code isn't zeros and ones.
>>735919713>look into transferring copies of it into digital forms and onto more durable physical mediums. So why go physical in the first place then? You can do the same with digital copies.
>>735943494All digital mediums are physical
>>735943582Well, true, but that's just semantics. All physical mediums are also digital since they stores 1s and 0s. The point was the distinction between digital and physical COPIES, meaning whether you buy a disc at the store or buy and download files from the internet. In that case, there's no difference between ownership since you can just as well back up a digital copy.
>>735943876My point is when he said "more durable physical mediums" he probably just meant backing it up onto a bunch of drives
>>735943494there are optical disks specifically made for long term storage archivalIf you have aging CD's and you want to keep stuff stored physically, backing them up to an alternate physical source is your best bet.
>>735944063Nah, I specifically meant optical disks for archival.I spent some time looking into this stuff for a while.For medium to longish term storage you can have a redundant setup on hard drives set to mirror and check each other in some form of RAIDbut for something static that doesnt need to be updated you might as well go for something more physical.The ideal tech for it would be quartz or glass based disk storage, but that is still theoretical and bleeding edge with no commerical availability in sight.
As long as somebody owns the game, it will last forever and will be on the internet one way or the other.
>>735943876>there's no difference between ownershipwhy would you even care about "ownership?" in such a manner?the only way to truly own these things is to have one of your own in a way other people cannot mess with it.
I have 20+ yo discs that still look great. Do people bury theirs in a swamp or something?
>>735918514That's illegal, you no longer own the game. That's what physical game ownership retards told me when I said I could write my game from GoG on a CD-R.
>>735944972Sure, but you can do that with digital copies too. That was my whole point, that there's no difference between physical and digital in that aspect.
>>735945481What point are you even trying to make?What are you trying to hold onto?The game, or the piece of plastic that it was originally imprinted on????you can have it BOTH ways just by putting in some work.It doesn't suddenly invalidate your CD copy.
>>735921090Feels good not living in a humid area
>>735918374It all comes down to genetic inferiority and skill issue.
>>735936338Muestra-meEl disco-queAdentro-he de llevarTENGO QUE ENCONTRAR EL DISCO QUEAL FENIX LIBERARA
>>735918606>not carving the source code onto a titanium tablet
>>735932992>didn't get the consolerot coating while it was still availablengmi
>>735930513A company has control of your console if it has internet accessEven without it you're still subject to their DRM Cut the bullshit, the one and only advantage physical even has is the ability to sell it
Doesn’t happen if you submerge them in an oil to prevent oxidation, in a pitch black container of course. I’ve been doing this since I was 1 year old when I got my first gameboy game. Sounds like a skill issue.
>>735918374skill issueI have 35 year old cds that still work
>>735918374>Still doing the '-ACK' meme in 2026Get some new material faggot.
>>735918374>own a physical copy>physical media deteriorated>download archived copy off the internets to replace it with>still perfectly legal since the license is tied to that original disc that I own
>>735949646>You may not obtain System Software in any manner other than through SIE Inc's authorized distribution methods
I own my games
>>735948146>A company has control of your console if it has internet access>Even without it you're still subject to their DRM How are these arguments against physical media? It's still objectively better. But the issue isn't really digital vs physical, we just need laws that protect consumer rights. Brazil has a really based law where companies have to refund you for all the in game purchases if they ban you. Stop Killing Games is another thing that needs to be addressed.
>>735936019NOOOOOO MY VIDJA!!!
>>735918374Unironically rape and kill the shills who screech about this "disc rot" boogeyman like yeah your disc will get fucked if you leave it in a swamp you dumb fucking nigger
>>735950170>It's still objectively better. No, nothing beats the level of control you have on pcEven with that law console limitations still make for a worse experience
>>735918374>tfw body rot will kill us all in about 80 yearsIt's not fair, I stayed out of direct sunlight in a dry room all my life...
>>735936985no thanks i'd rather just petition my government to spend millions of tax dollars to create a legislation for a task force that does it instead, incredibly slowly and inefficiently of course
>>735932992We play on emulators.
>>735918374this doesnt happen to me because i store all my dicks in a dry storage room with good airflow and tmprature control
>>735918374pirate chades keep winning by paying absolutely nothing
>>735918374I still have my eye of the beholder sega cd version and its in mint condition
Just burn another disc nigga lmao
>>735941784ok retard, you know the blackmold you've had in the corners of your rooms? your humidity is too high because you don't air your abode properly after taking a shower or on cold mornings, and because you don't keep it warm enough. also, maybe one day they can find better replacements for the fingers they transplanted to replace your defective thumbds.
>>735918374>WAHHHHHH WHY DOES HE HAVE MONEY TO OWN THINGS AND I DONT!?!?!?>ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've never seen the disc rot happen IRL only yellowing on some rewritable discs
>>735918374Do not keep them in an acid pool.
>>735918374good news, you won't own anything at all
>>735950438reported to Nintendo
>he blew into the cartridge
>spits on disc>wipes with tshirt
>>735957027https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkYAdJHN5X4
>>735957072>licks cd
>windex sprays inside of ps2 tray
>>735924659I live in a swamp and all of my dvds and cds are in perfect condition. Maybe it's because I put them all in a binder but I would think I would've been the one to get disc rot.
>>735926337They're making it up. Like claiming 3DS and Switch carts are failing. When the only case of 3DS games dying are from very specific batches. (Smash Bros, Pokemon Sapphire, Mega Man Legacy)
>>735918374>be me>live in Merida>humid as fuck>medieval 2 total war disc>completely cleanIm starting to think disc rot is fake
>>735956728>ok retard, you know the blackmold you've had in the corners of your rooms?No because I don't have them. If anything my room is too dry.
>>735918374>he doesn't have a digital backup of all his games for emulation>he doesn't collect physical games for purely display means
just store physicals in the case and there will never be an issue
>>735957836Based swamp pilled anon posting with literal bugs skittering up his walls and frogs croaking around him
>>735943189all code is 0s and 1s
