with pic related vibescan be arcade, adventure, RPG, top-down, third-person or any...
I guess technically 2015 is early 2000s if you're talking from a century-long perspective
>POE>Early 2000sYou don't hate /v/ enough
OP's bait aside, I'm actually playing Pillars right now and I love how it looks. I'm just a sucker for isometric games I guessGotta replay Commandos
>>735951382Pretty game, lame RPG system, impressively terribly written.Kind of crazy how many potentially fun concepts and ideas get bogged down with overexplaining, patronizing writing style.
>>735951447OP didn't say POE is early 2000s, Sanjiit
>>735951494>Pillars of Eternity>Best IE look alike>The White March I & II>Best IWD successor>Pathfinder Kingmaker>Best Baldurs Gate successor
>>735951749>lame RPG systemIt's actually made for vidya and works way better than some retarded shit like Pathfinder where 80% of the classes are superfluous
>>735951382Love me Pillars.
NoxThrone of DarknessSilver
>>735952531Nox is a bit "more" early than 2000 lol.
>>735952742retard
>>735951749>lame RPG systemIt's one of the most well-thought RPG systems in video games.>impressively terribly written.What do you mean? Dialog? Story? Lore? Characters? Not quippy enough? Not enough romance=
>>735953169Way too much purple prose, and I say this as someone who loves Pillars. Even Obsidian agrees on that
>>735953169>one of the most well-thought RPG systems in video games>One skill litterally take all the lore in game. Lmao, babby first time rpg.
>>735951382atleast post early 2000s screenshot
>>735953608>>One skill litterally take all the lore in game.Wrong game nigger
>>735951831>>The White March I & II>Introduce a lot of cool shit that could have repercussion and a continuation in the second game>Naaaaah eat the woke sloppa and shitty text naval combat.Man i am still so fucking mad.
>>735953169People LITTERALLY forgot after few days what was the entire point of the game or the "bad guy" name because it was so boring and prosaic (and the plot is litterally 4 points that takes each 20 hours to solve in game).
>>735953169>It's one of the most well-thought RPG systems in video gameNigga it was litterally d&d 3.5 with a bit of quirks more what the fuck are you on? Was pillars the first cprg you've ever played?
>>735951382I genuinely felt a bit of rage, well crafted. Now KYS
>>735953943>Nigga it was litterally d&d 3.5*laughs in no dump-stat*
>>735954356You don't dump stat because the game was averagely easy and even in death march it was doable without even pressing pause once. That doesn't mean the game math and ruleset wasn't the same.
>>735953746>woke sloppaqrd?
The main thing I like about POE 1 is that all classes are fun. Sawyer may be autismal about balancing shit which nerfs a lot of fun builds but at least he made sure that all classes are enjoyable to playWhat's the most fun class in 2? Haven't gotten around to playing it yet
>>735954431The game released on the peak of woke in gaming so you have everything from only stronk wymen that can do wrong, multiracial mix everywhere, forced gay romance down your throat and so on and so forth.
>>735951494Yeah the look of PoE is amazing. If only I could say the same about the rest of the game
>>735954415Damn son, the goalpost is on another continent now.
>>735954356Why are dump stats supposed to be ontologically bad again? It makes for pretty good roleplaying that your wizard is weak
>>735954819Then what was your point about dumpstats? Please explain it to me a 30yr+ rpg player. PLEASE explain it to me.
>>735954431>We wuz Italianz n sheeitDefinitely Pozzed
>>735954864Skillmonkey players that are suprised their jack of all trades character is shit at everything.
>>735955053That's POE1, genius
>>735955053Yeah but she was hot honestly. Too bad she was (i can be mistaken) not romanceable.
>Deadfire (((Valian Trading Company))) playthrough>best endingWith jews you... win?
>>735954864Yes, a wizard should be weak if you deliberately neglect strength and constitution. This will have ramifications for your character.The issue with dump stats is that these stats are completely useless for the particular class and can therefore be dumped without any and all drawbacks. Similarly, raising said dump stat instead gives barely anything of worth for your character.Each attribute in Pillars is important. How important can change on the class and particular build, but there is no attribute that you can just always dump without a second thought, and each attribute can be made useful if you want.Best example is Intelligence/Intellect for barbarians. A completel dump-stat in your regular D&D, but actually useful and even busted in Pillars.
>>735955267>PoE has no dump statsHe lied as easily as he breathed.
I can't beat the radiant spore or any of the dragons :(
>>735955337Pray tell, what is the dump stat of Pillars?
>>735955501>THE dump stat>when he just said it depends on your class
>>735955519I guess people that hate Pillars really just have problems reading.
>>735955608>Tries to move the goalposts and fails>"Y-you just have problems reading!"You're adorable, but that's pure projection. Nobody who is capable of actually reading would defend the abhorrent mess that is PoE.
>>735955670Anon, both Intelligence and Charisma are the obvious dump stats of your regular ass D&D. If your character doesn't use these stats for spellcasting, they are often neglected or dropped as low as possible. For instance, in Icewind Dale 2, you can drop these so hard, even to 1, without ever being a problem. It doesn't matter if your character has 1 or 10 Intelligence, they get the same amount of skill points. Get another character to be your party face and do all the talking, and you will be absolutely fine.The same cannot be said for Pillars stat system. Intellect affects every character, even if it's not a stat that is hugely important for that particular class/build. It always does something.If I'm wrong, then tell me: which is or are the usual dump stats in that games system?
>It's another "OP was baiting and he actually just wants to be a contrarian faggot about a shit game" threadMaybe I should start going to church on sundays instead of wading through countless of ragebait threads
>>735955870>even to 1>take affliction that drops your int>instantly dielmao
>>735955870no idea about iwd but CHA is pretty important in BG1/2, it greatly influences store prices and reaction to you character, if its too low some companions will refuse to join.
>>735955870>Anon, both Intelligence and Charisma are the obvious dump stats of your regular ass D&DRight, this lad got perception on his priest, for sure .>B-but you get a very very minor inconsequential thing for it that really can't ever justify the cost of not grabbing another better attribute!Yeah, same shit in DnD. You can build around jank attribute classes in that too. You just wouldn't because why the fuck would you do that?And for all it's desperate attempts to make more stats 'relevant' it gives you a complete mess of a system where your spellcaster's damage output is determined by how muscular they are.>N-no might isn't the same as strength!!?Congratulations, every skill check in the game disagrees with you. Push a heavy door? Might. Climb a rough surface? Might. Lift something heavy? Might.You dumb fucks really need to stop with pushing these desperate memes about "dump stats" to try and justify PoE's objectively abhorrent system because it's a really ugly argument and only makes you look like a complete retard.
>>735955198Only because they're the only ones directly improving Animancy which is literally the key to fucking everything in the game setting.The fact you end the game with a working teleport machine that has ridiculous implications commerce etc. wise is also amazing, all other Factions result in literally fucking NOTHINGIt's like if only China was spearheading genetics research, imagine leaving the key to literally EVERYTHING in life to a single country
>>735956150>it greatly influences store prices and reaction to you characterYes, on YOUR character. It doesn't matter if some other companion has low CHA, unless they use it for spellcasting.And turn undead, I guessContrary, Resolve in Pillars is used for charisma-related things for your character in dialog, but it's an equally important stat for every character. Fuck, it's probably the least-dump stat on anyone.>>735956156>Right, this lad got perception on his priest, for sureAre you telling me that Perception is a dump stat? Seriously? Really? Something that I can drop for almost every class and they would work absolutely fine and beat the whole game? Is that really a hill you want to die on?Perception is still used for their spells>a very very minor inconsequential thingAnon, I can make a whole party in ID2 consiting of nothing but absolute 1 INT brainlets 1 CHA incels. Basically undead, yet mechanically, absolutely sound and fine. Ergo, dump stats.>a complete mess of a systemThe system is completely sound, elegant even.It's actualy the "minor inconsequential" thing where your Wizards Might comes up in two or three dialog scenes as punching some dude.>Push a heavy door? Might. Climb a rough surface? Might. Lift something heavy? MightThe scripted events often use Athleticism for that.
>>735955053weak bait
>>735955870RES if you're not a tank
>>735956479>Are you telling me that Perception is a dump stat?No, anon. I'm not telling you anything. Anyone with half a wit would realize this on your own, and I'm not trying to fix stupid here.>Something that I can drop for almost every class and they would work absolutely fine and beat the whole game?Every class, both in DnD and PoE, has 1-3 stats they don't care about.>B-but int in DnD is bad?!Still gets you more skills.>B-but what about charisma then?!Same shit, it's for skill builds and was always intended as such before they added charisma based classes which needed the stat more. Thinking that makes it a dumb stat is why you're retarded.>Perception is still used for their spellsNo. It is entirely inconsequential to have perception on a priest. You get some defense on a class that should never be getting hit unless you're just really terrible at the game.
>>735951382Sacred
>>735956818Inquisitor
>>735956876Holy fucking based Inquisitor poster
>>735956956gm
>>735956663Still affects Concentration, still affects Wil, and even backline ranged characters will get attacked and occasionally eat a hit. You need to micromanage them very hard for that to never happen.Maybe Pillar-pros are of a different opinion, but I personally would never drop it below 10. Even if it's for a ranger or rogue shooting from safety.>>735956734>has 1-3 stats they don't care aboutThat's absolutely wrong for Pillars. Taking the barbarian example again: You would want Might for damage, Constitution to take hits and Intellect for the range of their carnage and yelling abilities. Equally, you don't want to miss out on Dexterity for attack speed and you want to hit things, and therefore have some Perception. If you have both of them low or just around 10, you will need to work around that. And you want them to be able to deflect, ergo Resolve. Unless you make a ranged barbarian, which is possible and it's fun that you can do that.There is no case of "always dump that particular attribute for whatever barbarian you make", like in D&D.>it's for skill builds Therefore, every character that isn't a skill build dumps the stat and becomes an ugly bastard with the personality of a brick.>NoYes, it is used for spells targeting enemies, either their deflect or stats like Reflex and Will. Check their offensive spells.
>>735957058>Blablabla you can build your barbarian around different types of mostly impractical jank so it's not a dump stat even though any reasonable player wouldn't ever not dump perception to get more mightAh, so you're one of those retards.>Therefore, every character that isn't a skill build dumps the stat and becomes an ugly bastard with the personality of a brick.Right, and every character that doesn't use aoe/buffs doesn't use int in PoE. You don't have a point, you have double standards.
>>735956876The Temple of Elemental Evil
>>735957058>Using a priest to target enemies>Thinking points in perception are worth diminishing your other stats forOh, so we're going full retard, are we?
>>735957058My barbarian has 8 res and he's right there in the middle of all the enemies (though never engaged, tanks do that)
>>735951382Dungeon Siege 1, 2.>>735956818That game has a weird style of humor, but still cool.
>>735957437Here's a screenshot, if you like
>>735956818i wanted to like sacred 1-2 but the combat just feels like utter trash
We need to split /v/ into /vw/ and /vj/
>>735957330Priests absolutely have offensive capabilities, what are you on about?And I'm not even saying that you need to raise Perception on your priests, I'm saying that it isn't a dump stat for them either, an attribute that you can deliberately dump as low as possible without any repercussions.>>735957269>around different types of mostly impractical jankAnything I mentioned is absolutely viable. And that's why this system is so elegant.>and every character that doesn't use aoe/buffs doesn't use int in PoEAlso affects Will, also affects durations of effects. Like extending the duration of Knockdown on fighters. And don't call this jank, a prone opponent lying down for more than ten seconds is basically dead.Like fuck me, you can spend this whole conversation saying "it isn't important for this or that character", yet it does mechanically affect them, or is worth considering to raise for some build or to capitalize on some strength and mechanic. Every character uses Fortitude, every character uses Reflex, every character uses Will and Deflection, every character has Action Speed and every character needs Accuracy.Contrary to different to how D&D handles its mechanics.
>>735951428>>735951447>>735951494>>735953956>when you can't read
>>735957652whites and jews?doesn't work, they'll just go to /vw/ and do the fellow whites thing
>>735957523>asdasdYou didn't beat the game.
>>735957437>>735957523You certainly didn't dump it to 1.What weapon are you using? The piercing damage makes me think it's pikes, crossbows or gunpowder.
>>735957824>pick best race for my class>pick default look>male, obviously>asdasdYep, it's gaming timeEnjoy spending 3 hours reading the wiki to figure out a lore-appropriate name>>735957873Yeah I could have dumped it to 1, found out later that RES is an all-or-nothing stat. But with all the buffs from equipment I'm not too bothered about missing a couple of points in other statsI'm switching between Tall Grass (the pike that knocks enemies over, VERY funny as a barb) and Tidefall for the heals
>>735956818>boot up multiplayer>see couple of lads in the world, start chatting>one of them lives 50 meters away from mewildest shit
>>735957773The entire rest of the thread is the faggot sucking off PoE, I repeat: KYS.
>>735957996Good to know. That's an entirely different thing, though, retard
>>735957745>W-well dump stat must mean NO reprecusionsSo as we've been over, that's not true for DnD stats either. YOU raised the fact that "w-well skills might not be relevant for your character" and now insist that stats not being relevant for your character or not isn't actually what it's about? Like I said, you have no point, you have double standards.
Desperados
>>735958679>that's not true for DnD stats eitherI made the test with ID2 because I have this installed now. This is the difference between an average INT and dropping it all to the lowest.Now tell me, why isn't INT a dump stat for the barbarian. Give me one reason why I ever should raise Intelligence for a barbarian in this particular system.>YOU raised the fact that "w-well skills might not be relevant for your character"It's also about Charisma, a stat everyone often dumps as low as possible, unless they are the party face or use it for spellcasting (which often ends up being the same thing for bards and sorcerers, which is a weird D&Dism).
>suddenly, silence
>>735959116>look at this image, I dropped INT down and now it's lower than if I hadn't dropped it down
>>735960386That didn't answer my question.Tell me, why isn't INT a dump stat for barbarian? How does this not prove that dump stats exist? Give me one reason why I should increase his INT instead, and explain me what I gain from that.Although I was wrong about one thing, you get different amounts of skill points on 10 INT and -8 INT, but it doesn't matter if you dump it even lower
>>735960583It's simply not an argument to say "look, I dumped this stat"
i always thought that a dump stat meant the stat you wanted to dump all your points into aka the one stat that matters the most for your character. today i learned.
>>735960640And that was never my argument.>He lied as easily as he breathed
>>735956818What widescreen magic is this?
>>735960724kek I used to think that toowonder if there were people using it differently that memed me into learning it wrong
The real problem with Pillars is that it used the stupid fucking reputation system instead of alignment>hello mister ruler of this entire region, you can trust my word because I was honest twice when I finished some sidequests you never heard of
>>735956515It's true retard, they took Renaissance Italians and made them African, there's nothing lazier and more pozzed than that
>>735960997The disposition system is great, I'm doing a second playthrough with the meta data visible and it's neat how much it affects.And what's the alternative? Everyone trusting you for looking honest, even though you never do anything honest?I thought reactivity and your actions influencing the world and NPCs were what players wanted.Alignment is a shitty system anyway and a dumb sacred cow
>>735961503>And what's the alternative?Doing quests that actually impact the realm, not getting the reputation of being honest because you didn't swindle a pig farmer out of 300 dollarsAnd the animancy trial has shades of that, but it also has the aforementioned honest check
>>735961736>Doing quests that actually impact the realmYes, the way you handle quests and resolve them is what influences disposition.Or what do you mean? There should be a "honest quest" and you only do it if you have the alignment: honest?>not getting the reputation of being honest because you didn't swindle a pig farmer out of 300 dollarsSo your character shouldn't be known to be honest despite acting honest in a quest?>you didn't swindle a pig farmer out of 300 dollarsAnd the animancy trial has shades of that, And that's bad why?
>>735951382sovl
>>735961892How did the duc hear that I didn't swindle this pig farmer out of his money?>And the animancy trial has shades of that,>And that's bad why?Okay, you don't even understand the purpose of "but" in a sentenceNo more (you)s until you learn some basic English
How's the TB mode pillars bros?
>>735957773>when you can't look at images because you're blind and have to rely on text to speech software :(
>>735961976>How did the duc hear that I didn't swindle this pig farmer out of his money?He didn't, but word has spread that you are an honest guy through your actions. His advisors have done some research and that is what people have been talking about you.You faggots are complaining about the weirdest shit.Alignment is still fucking retarded.
Get some real shit, playa.
Might as well use this thread to ask. Finished up Tyranny and want to play another CRPG, should I go for Pathfinder: Kingmaker or Divinity Original Sin? What's the better choice here?
>>735953169Once you replace the companions with hirelings the game gets way better. It's amazing how terrible they all are
>>735964489Play kingmaker if you like buffing before every fight. Play Divinity if you like eating people for buffs.
>>735964489Pathfinder has the better story though the writing can be bad although Divinity is worse in that regard in my opinion, at least Pathfinder mostly takes itself seriously. Gameplay is better in Divinity but I don't remember it being amazing, it's fun to play with someone in co-op though if you can and you're missing out if you don't really
>>735957058While I really like Pillars of Eternity 2 and never dump stats in other CRPG's. For some reason, I actually gave my Ranger 3 Res just to see if it would be a problem and honestly had no issues using him for the whole game that I can recall (beyond a super boss or two). You could fault me for playing it with the 8 party mod to bypass the 5 party limit but I only recruited my 6th companion by the 2nd act so I did most of the game sticking to the rules. I played on Normal until getting a full party then put it to the highest it could be (I forget if POTD could be picked mid game)Not saying that PoE has a dump stat, but I didn't really struggle putting my guy to 3 Res which I think was the lowest you could go.
>>735953746>party limit is 5 because 6 was too much fun for the playerBRAVO SAWYER
>roll monk>absolutely deal zero damage early game because most of the shit you face is resistance to Crush damage>play DLC>get monk party member>in the DLC with a fuckton of Ice Blights that are IMMUNE to Crush damageBRAVO SAWYER
>>735964489Divinity. I find the pathfinder game are terribly written are just nothing but pre buffing gameplay
>>735965376You can have six people in your party, though.It's the default.
>>735958708Nice medieval fantasy game. But for something with similar isometric stealth gameplay, Robin Hood: The Legend of Sherwood at least check out the medieval part.
>>735962043An entirely different gameplay. Trash mob encounters will take much longer than your party just smashing their face onto it but it's more intuitive in large boss battles since you can micromanage everything at a single pace-by-pace basis rather than get blindsided by an aoe that wipes Durance and Eder because you were busy microing Kana from being raped and gaped by ranged attacks.
Gothic 2
>>735964707You don't need to buff every fight if you stick to normal or challenging difficultyOnly autists obsessed with perfecting their party do that shit
>>735965930He's talking about 2>>735965515I never figured out monk cause he just dies instantly
>>735965978Sounds like how it was in deadfire then, which admittedly I didn't mind. At least there's a toggle in POE1 TB mode though
>>735951382I'm playing Pillars of Eternity now and it's great, /v/ lied to me again
>>735957985did y'all meet up? and...you know...
>>735966242It always was great. What class are you playing?
>>735966338Thanks for the PTSD of monks raping my party by stunning them all instantly and permanently
>>735965978Also this is from playing Path of the Damned since any difficulty below that you can pretty much get away with anything>>735966128Monks are for mobility and single-target crowd control. Their boss-killing ability is the one where you stack 10 marks on a target then expend it for 10 Raw damage each which will kill anything in the game if they're at around Barely Injured
>>735966412Yeah hardest map for sure, but what a great level design.>tfw flooded everyone to their deaths because I hated all those fucking monksgood times and it's what they would've wanted anyway
>>735965045I really don't like the le quirky CRPGs that purposefully don't take themselves seriously or try to be tongue-in-cheek about everything. They are so often the victim of r*ddit dialogue, situations and overall vibes
>>735966467>100 damage will kill anything in the game
>>735966520Did you not read the barely injured part? Also it's RAW damage which means it just goes through anything and it basically becomes an execute skill in an aoe around the monk.
He was right about everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlNJSsjIyp4
>>735966338cipher70 hours in, almost finished act 2, went to start WM1 and did the first map there and I'm not bored at all yetthe writing is good, I like the lore and in-game books (just wish there was an indicator of which books I've already read) and the side quests might be the most interesting I've seen in video gamesit's a shame the sequel and avowed are woke slop, I need more pillars
>>735966673Josh is literally me. It's one of the reasons why I think the popularity of Bioware made every waifufag jump into CRPGs where they can only play if there's romance involved. So now the whole "playersexual" bullshit is standard.
I know people say Ciphers are great because of muh CC but I just don't like the charm/dominate meta. Fights are already way too much of a clusterfuck even without the enemies constantly running around randomlyI prefer summons
>tfw no pillars 3please josh...
>>735966673So why doesn't he just write romances that aren't shallow, masturbatory fantasy indulgence?
>>735966957name 5
>>735966879Ciphers are great because of their Dominate abilities and also because they can keep using their abilities without resting since it's all focus based. Monks are the better CC-bots than Ciphers are, especially in path of the damned where you can just Flagellant's Path through everything then prone a wizard for like 10 seconds.
>>735966673Based take, romance in CRPGs were a mistake.
>>735966879People just like Ciphers because they feel like the main character class and it's a unique one too.
>>735967202>main character classThat's druid.
Average PoE trade
>>735967427Why are you buying junk weapons?
>>735967061>without restingOh no, not the camping supplies that cost 2 cents, or the 5 clicks I need to do to get back to baseThe horror
>>735962772"Early 2000s medieval fantasy games with PIC RELATED vibes"He wants an early 2000s game with the vibes of POE you stupid motherfucker
>>735951382>Pillars of EternityWas this gam any good? I bought it on steam in like 2015 and then never played it.
>new non-woke pillars game or any other good rtwp rpg never everit's so over
>>735967612Why can you not read?
>>735967798>rtwp rpg never everAnd that's a good thing.
>>735967797Yes, it's great.Just never click on any characters with gold-plates for their names.
>>735952531>SilverMah nigga!
>>735967945Or ever talk to Grieving Mother
>>735967773Take a deep breath.
>>735967914turn based is for brainlets that can't think about all enemies and party members acting at once>attack an enemy>enemy can't do anything>attack an enemy with another character>enemy can't do anything and just fucking stands like a retard and diesnice "combat"
>>735968062she's the best party member though
>>735968291exactly
>>735968291She is interesting but I think she’s too wordy with her descriptive narratives
>>735968062 what's the deal with her anyway? Never finished her personal storyline. Is she actually real or some ghost that hasn't moved on or something? couldn't you just get her pregnant and give her another kid if she's so sad about it?
>>735968107Oh sorry, smarmy, know-it-all retards who have no reading comprehension really piss me off
>>735968874She’s got some powerful psychic shield that hides her from everyone except watchers. Your other companions don’t even know she’s there
>>735968874I think she's just a cipher who's never been trained and uses her powers to protect herself from people seeing her or some shitShe feels guilty because when the Hollowborn happened she made the mothers care for the children as if they were real children and eventually it became too much and some of the mothers starved to death cause the compulsion was more powerful than their own survivalThen she ran away
damage dealing magic seems weak in this gamefireball does barely any damage
>>735951382does this game have more text dumps than pathfinder games?
>>735969264I'm no expert in this game but fireball is a pretty low level spell, all things consideredDamage over time or AOEs that linger do more
god I wish PoE2's story wasn't so dogshit. None of the choices you make actually matter. Eothas breaks the wheel regardless, the only thing you can change is if he kinda feels bad about it or not (or squishes you like a bug)
>>735969264>lil bro never got Disintegrate
>>735951382Loved this gameShamed about Pillar2 and avowedAdmitedly I havent played avowed but it doesnt look great
>>735969264You’re wrong. Casters in this game are so OP
>>735969413No cRPG has choices that actually matter
>>735969264I'm pretty sure I had my Aloth at some delete entire rows of enemies with Kalakoth's Freezing Rake. That is, however, an eight level spell and he got properly buffed for it, with the talent that increases frost damage and equipment that also increases damage.Might also be a case of using the right element.
>>735969460Avowed is actually enjoyable gameplay wise. The story is on deadfire tier but it has some good lore reveals that shake up the franchise a bit
>>735969504you clearly never played Planscape lil gup
>>735963448Luv Disciples. Still dreaming of a proper sequel or a ripoff.
>>735969515I really liked how major spell types were based off the wizards who developed them in the first place. Minoletta, my beloved
>>735969607I liked meeting them in Deadfire and bullying them all.
>>735969264true spellcasting optimization in poe2 isn't about actually casting damaging spells, it's about buffing the FUCK out of Aloth to the point where his basic attack mulches everything
>>735969765Isn't he even built to become a wizard/rogue multi in 2?
>>735969765>poe2I meant poe1, but I'm sure it works in Deadfire too
>>735969519is it worth picking up on sale or pirating ? Not sure if there's any DLC in the works
>>735966673He is so fucking close to the realization that every RPG is a shallow, masturbatory fantasy indulgence, yet he can't grasp it since he's thinking himself a serious author. Sad!
>>735969873Yeah it is, especially if you like the Pillars lore and franchise. It has really good exploration, no ubi markers anywhere just lots of visual guides on the map like weird things in the distance that stand out. No DLC planned but they just released a new update that added all playable races now including Orlans and fish people plus a new weapon type.
Dungeon Siege?
>>735961150>videogame developers make nonwhites into nonwhitesam I supposed to care?
>>735951382This is the absolute comfiest game ever
>>735969652pillars 1 did it better, Incelhault being the only wizard of note you meet left the rest mysterious and coolIncelhault returning in kekfire was wack
>>735972393Nah I enjoyed him returning. I liked how it felt like concelhaut is a loser you keep running into, annoying him and turning him into your little pocket slave. He can also have a great ending if you do something with him in the forgotten sanctum dlc
>>735972882that concelhaut ending was the only chaotic evil ending in over two decades
Since this is a Pillars thread, more or less.>Priest of Eothas, flails, shield, scion of flames. Watcher candidate>Edér, two-handed focus, polaxes and estocs>Rogue mercenary/Devil of Caroc, dual-wielding rapiers or daggers, part of the frontline>Paladin, Wayfarers or Shieldbearers, pikes, maximum Intellect and support abilities, pokes from behind the frontline, uses Zealous Endurance>Sagani, blunderbusses and pistols, ranged DPs>Grieving Mother or Watcher Cipher, shortbows and just does Cipher thingsVery little magic DPS and AoE, and frontline rogue could be a problem. But it sounds fun in my head.
>>735973967Where's Kana for dragons? You are playing in PotD are you? Also don't put Rogue or Devil of Caroc in the frontline EVER, they should always be flanking something and are the last ones to engage in an encounter. They'll get blown up like a pack of croutons by like a single Cean Gŵlas .
>>735972393You also meet Llengrath, the present one inhabiting the title anyways.
>>735972882How is Concelhault a loser? He basically figured out how to be immune from the Wheel which is why Llengrath wanted to kill him. If anything Llengrath is the retard.
>>735975703What's the point of her having so much Resolve then?And barely any Dexterity. Nah, I think I can make it work. I have visions.
>>735976212he gets rekt by dipshit adventurers twice and forced into being a pet
>>735976570She can't wear armor but she's immune to Poison and Disease. Her high resolve means she won't get confused or charmed easily rather than the measly deflection it gives (the armor you equip is the best way to increase deflection along with other bonus effects and she basically cannot do that). She is still gonna be squishy.
>>735977062Damn, there goes this idea. I still want to give frontline rogues a try. That's what all the deflect buffs from the pala are supposed to achieve. This particular composition needs three in the front.
>>735977497You can try it, the game allows it. It's just gonna be an uphill battle. Maybe it works who knows.
>>735977062Correction armor increases Damage Reduction not so much Deflection so I actually think it can work if you dual-wield hatchets or something (since they give +5 each).
I think I'm just gonna end my playthrough without fighting any of the optional bosses, this shit is way too hard
>>735971946You can play as Yakub in the sequel.
>>735978239Post party
>>735978461No.I attempted the fights multiple times at different levels with different parties, and everyone who isn't Edér got oneshot by the very first attack every time
>>735978514Who are you fighting?
>>735978579Caed Nua dragonAlpine DragonRadiant SporeSky Dragon
>>735978040I love the assortment of weapons, being more grounded and a bit more advanced than many fantasy games, and how they from each other.But I wish there was another melee weapon that gave a deflection bonus. Why only hatches? If daggers in the off-hand gave a deflection bonus, that would be cool.
>>735978642Wait till you get to the optional bosses in Deadfire. Then you’ll really want to kill yourself
>>735978642>Caed Nua dragonThis is the hardest fight in the game by the way, it's harder than the Llengrath ambush. Unless you want to cheese it, you have to do alot of kiting especially the Dragon Breath attack that will party wipe.>Alpine DragonYou can petrify him and is also weak to fire.>Radiant SporeYou can also petrify it I believe. The tentacle's boulders (Fortitude check) are the bigger hurdle along with the spore lings. They are weak to fire.>Sky DragonNot immune to paralyze and petrify. There is one bounty as well that was a difficulty spike, it was the Brynlod bounty where all his wizards will immediately cast Caedebald's Blackbow and DPS the shit out of your party along with having some absurd level of defenses so you can barely stun or prone them.
>>735979349>you have to do alot of kitingYep definitely never doing that then
>>735979496So you're gonna take the Dragon up on her offer then in possessing the Dragonslayer lady?
>>735979661No I already pretended to take the offer and betrayed it
>>735979768Then it's cheesing time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1gOXoMNO5s
>>735980124Nope, I will leave the quest unfinished
>>735980196wtf
>>735980254he's roleplaying anon, cut him some slack
>>735980124Wait wouldn't that work with any boss at all, and you don't even need a ranger?>park your party somewhere>turn off AI>send in one dude>Kana is now in combat forever, even if the dude dies>keep summoning shit and sending it over
>>735980482Not all boss areas are that large. The Adra dragon pit has some kind of unused area that you can fall back to as there isn't even anything there. It isn't like the Concelhault fight where you can just exit the room and funnel everyone from there or the Alpine Dragon fight where you're immediately surrounded inside the cave.
>>735954431Gay fish and the obsidiot meltdownBecause T(Y)RANNY came next and it was a joke
>>735966034>posting garbage that isnt isometricGothicfags must be banned from any vidya talk
>>735980124>try this>xaurips instantly confuse my drake and it comes back to attack meepic
>>735980764Man, I feel like my Deadfire playthrough is gonna be fucking shit compared to my experience in the first game.
>>735980985nvm it works kek
What was this guy's problem?
>>735983089his patron god is a massive cunt, basically
>>735981207It's not that bad honestlyBut it's definitely not as good as pillar1
well it's certainly workingprobably should have waited for another levelup first so I can get the sword summons which are presumably better but oh wellit's nice to know if nothing else that if I spam out level 1 chants, Kana can just summon shit every 10 seconds
>>735983089He is trying to insult his god, Magran, for not speaking to him anymore despite being the last priest that helped her create the Godhammer, and feeling discarded after that. It's true, Magran wanted every priest to be killed by the Godhammer blast so her conspiracy with Woedica to kill Waidwen, who was justified in waging the war, will never be revealed
>>735983547Is there any more hacky trope than the gods are just greek god tier dickheads doing petty power games all day instead of incomprehensible beings?
>>735983686They're not even really gods per se, they are Engwithian soul constructs with a will of their own. It's why the crisis of the Hollowborn exists, because Woedica wants to siphon more souls to gain more power to be head bitch of the pantheon while Eothas wants to destroy it all and reveal to the kith that they're all fake.
internet says white march is balanced for level 8, how? I went at level 10 and lagufaeth hit hard with sneak attacks and two out of three sidequests in longwatch are for higher levels, the bounty and alpine dragon, didn't even try doing the dragon, I think I'm going back to dyrwood
>>735983876That fits the Greek god stereotype, they're just very powerful "people" more or less. Not even invincible or anything>>735983926Don't go into the falls area yet. I went in at level 9 and those sidewinders raped meThe entire game is built around this "go to a place, get fucked, reload save and come back later" strategy
>>735983926Pillars does this weird thing where they sprinkle a hard encounter in areas you normally pass by so you can come back a later time. You don't 100% areas on the first run through of it.>>735983987But the Greek gods are actual gods via their cosmogenic beginnings. The Pillars gods are more akin to a political ideology that everyone takes as a supreme fact of life (like the concept of the Wheel)
>>735984143Sure, I was talking about how they behave and how powerful they are compared to kith
>>735983926I went there around level 7 and level 8 as well and these fuckers killed me constantly.Anything afterwards is still doable. It's just a weird difficulty spike. You just have to power through.
The gateway encounters are my favorite part of POE
>>735984225There is some connection that the Engwithans resemble that of the Dwemer in Elder Scrolls in that they were dismayed that gods did not exist so they made their own (as opposed to the Dwemer where they wanted to be like a god of their own via themselves). They're both ancient civilization that got wiped out in their apotheosis except the Engwithans succeeded where the Dwemer did not
For anons playing through Pillars for the first time, DO NOT READ THE SPOILERED POSTS unless you've already completed Deadfire, THEY ARE ACTUAL SPOILERS
>>735984548To be fair, with the way LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE QUEST in this game goes, those spoilers are pretty obviousI was only surprised about some aspects of the ending but not the "twist" if you will
>>735951382spellforce 3
>>735983926You're basically fighting Lagufeath Broodmothers that are already level 13-16 casting spells like Minor Avatar and Cleansing Flames (which will kill anything, even Eder if you do not manage your healing or time your Suppress Affliction, it's an insanely damaging Priest Spell that also jumps, reduces buff timers, and increases the DoT damage you take.)
Should I turn on critical path upscaling for 2?
>>735985789I did think it was a bit boring how I just breezed through the end of POE1 and that was even with the scaling enabled. I'm fine with absolutely demolishing some side content but not main dungeons
>/v/ finally sees how genius Pillars of Eternity wasAbout fucking time. Now Deadfire and Avowed, whatever happened there.
>>735985854Deadfire is harder (in the beginning and end) but go for it. Pillars 1 on the other hand doesn't have a noticeable difficulty curve unless you just play the main questline, it has areas of difficulty spikes,
anyone else a fan of this genre but cant get into bg3?this feel so bland, id honestly rather play bg1
>>735986247What aspect do you even like the most in CRPGs?
>>735986224I'd argue no well-designed RPG has a perceived difficulty curve since the enemies get harder but your party also gets more powerfulBut I'm a guy who doesn't do any tactics and just dumps spells on enemies till I win
>>735986327>But I'm a guy who doesn't do any tactics and just dumps spells on enemies till I winHow do you even deal with ineffective weapon and immunities if you play like this?
>>735986463Click some other spells bro
>>735951382>>735951382I remember enjoying Pillars of Eternity around 2008... Nice followup after BGI & II. I actually haven't experienced the same with any game other than those three and would love some recommendation that can live up to the expectations
Soulbond items were a good idea but how they are implemented fucking sucks. Upgrading the Molina's crossbow shit with the slow-ass reload time while having a shit chance to proc is fucking retarded. They should honestly be upgraded via "milestones", like level ups or where you are in the story. That way I won't have to end up looking around the map for enemies to kite around and proc shit.
>>735986647But Pillars came out on 2015.
>>735986735I liked some of the White March ones>go beat this encounter on an old map that spawned when you soulbound the armor>go rest in this place>go solve this puzzle
>>735986957Yeah, that's much better as well. The riddle estoc was sort of cool since there was multiple ways to do it. I just hate that you were unable to unequip it until you do.
>>735986785En serio? Hum... It's true. Then what was I thinking?. I swear, my father bought me a white laptop. I finally took it back and built a pc. It was the time just before stalker.What could it be?Oh yes! I was thinking of Neverwinter Nights 2!Could it work for OP? Was it really fun?
is baldur's gate 2 worth it? I didn't like bg1 because it's just wandering around killing trash mobs, story was boring, I didn't even finish it
>>735978384That class is in the first game too
>>735989456Thanks for the clarification. I only played the sequel.
>>735951382Come home white man.Time to play same Sacred game.
Armies of Exigo was peak too
>>735986325Idk, I think I like the world and story the most
>>735951382what's babby''s first crpg? dungeon siege?
>>735966034For me it's 1
>>735992923CRPGs tend to be mature-rated games that were entrenched in grognard circles and RPG forums but honestly if "babby's first crpg" is meant to be someone's entry to CRPGs in the smoothest most easiest way possible it would be Baldur's Gate 3. I would've said Dragon Age Origins but BG3 takes the cake as the most streamline experience possible with romanceshit and le epig D&D experience that wears it on its sleeve.
>>735986957>rest in a dragon's lair>you have to kill the alpine dragon to do itSometimes the requirements were just to take the piss out of the player.
