>Be Bungee.>Develop a hardcore game for a niche audience using a AAA game budget.>Game needs to sell to a large audience to be financially viable.>No fuck that lets design a game that only appeals to the most hardcore tryhards.>Oh and lets also beg reviewers to not review the game till we release the endgame map that has a destiny style raid boss.>But also lets lock the ability to actually play this raid boss behind endless grind and convoluted requirements while also having enemy players be able to kill you ruining your preparations ensuring only people who play this game like its their job can play this new content.What the hell is Bungee thinking.I was genuinely ready to buy Marathon if the Raid they added was good but now i heard all the BS you have to go thru just to be able to play it.
>>735954925>"fucking Microsoft!"
>>735954925>hardcore game for a niche audiencewhere?????
wonder how long til this thread mysteriously gets deleted :)
In order to salvage this shitshow, they pretty much would need to re-launch the game because it needs fundamental changes in order to be enjoyable for normal people, and not just the ultra- hardcore audience. Fuck, even the ultra-hardcore people like shroud aren't playing it anymore so that really should tell you something. Who the fuck IS this game for? They have to make Cryo Archives accessible to casual players. That is like prio number 0. They have to abandon their weird pride about it, and start to seriously invest resources into addressing the solo situation and stop treating it as a tacked on option just to shut people up. These are the absolute bare minimum that needs to be fixed YESTERDAY for this game to have a chance to survive.
>>735955161Do you not see the player numbers.People who play this game do actually enjoy it.The game flopped considering its budget but it has a stable player-base.Only way this game can make back its money thou is if the stable player-base is also willing to spend on battle passes and similar shit for years to come.
>>735954925I wonder how much shekels sony has already sent down the drain trying to salvage this gay ass company on top of the billions they already spent buying them in the first place, must have been enough to buy several small countries by now.
>>735954925the game is not even hardcore, it's just frustrating to play and grindy
>>735955213Even in Destiny 2 raids/dungeons ware usually Chalanger/Competition mode for like a few days before the normal version of the raid was accessible to all.And Apart from the Somewhat confusing mehanicks the actual raids ware usually not that hard and beatable whit any decent loud-out you can make in a day or 2.
>>735955664stop coping it's not stable, it keeps losing players, it was at 50k last saturday and 60k the one before, now it barely gets 40k
>>735954925>>No fuck that lets design a game that only appeals to the most hardcore tryhards.That this isn't celebrated on /v/ just goes to show how far this board has fallen.>bro bungie made a game just for us by ripping off sony and making a hardcore fps with a crazy unique art style like killer 7 we won hardcore brosInstead its>AHHHHH WHERE'S MARIO I NEED A CORPORATE APPROVED EDGELESS PLAYBOX THAT WILL SELL 10 MILLION UNITS HOW WILL I KNOW IT'S SAFE TO PLAY IF 9 YEAR OLDS AREN'T PLAYING IT??A sad fate.
>>735955213yeah but bungie is too arrogant to even admit the game has serious flaws
>>735954925>now i heard all the BS you have to go thru just to be able to play it.You just have to do all the intro tutorial quest for every faction which will also take you above the level requirement, it takes a few hours at best.
>>735955739Its a Low kill time PVP focused game that makes you drop all your loot on death.I dont know what you consider Hardcore but 90% of people will say this is hardcore.The fact you can Kill easily enemy AI mobs does not remove other player onsehoting you from the equation.
>>735954925>No fuck that lets design a game that only appeals to the most hardcore tryhards.The whole problem is that it doesn't do that at all.
>>735954925Bungie saw mandalores videos, looked st the views & said this will sell if we bring it back :)
>>735955896>90% of Bungie staff and advertisers will say this is hardcore.ftfy
>>735955908I'm sure never seeing the final boss of Cryo (or perhaps never even making it to Cryo) is very appealing to a large casual audience
>>735955837It would be celebrated if the game did not have a 250milion$ budget.If this game was made by a AA developer on a more reasonable budget it would be celebrated on /v/.
>>735955869I am not talking about just unlocking Cryo archive but the shit you have to do to fully explore it and fight the raid boss.
>>735955971see >>735955739grindy isn't "hardcore"poor controls isn't "hardcore"It's just a poorly made soulless game that was all about cash grabs and nothing else.
>>735955213*Cryo Archive And how the fuck would you make it "more accessible"? The minimum gear requirement to enter is just to not grief the other two schmucks you're put in a team with, and it's still very low. You can enter with green shields even.
Hardcore.Niche.Gamer kino.
>>735954925Nothing about numaratroon is appealing unless you're a dysgenic troon with shit taste I suppose, which is basically nubungie's target audience for this axe-wound-dilation slop.
>>735954925People said the same shit about Destiny 2.It's not hard it's just stupidly gate walled in a way that makes skill an after thought and it demands you just waste a lot of time grinding.
>>735955739embarrassing
>>735956025I would have agreed, but they made the key drop rate in the vaults 100% and your progress carries permanently and doesn't reset each season, so you only have to solve each puzzle one time, which is reasonable
>>735955979It needed to be a shitty indie game with a shitty indie art style and made by an obnoxious troon.
>>735954925>behind endless grindLevel 25 and 5,000 worth of equipment is neither complicated nor demanding. It actually ensures that your crew fill teammates aren't braindead freekits.
>>735955739Posted it again award.
>>735956708>5000 worth of equipmentit's far worse than thatno shotty + fully modded smg + 3-4 self revives + 3 bubbles + 4 grenades + 12 heal/shield + 6 purple shields ? you're getting nomatched
>>735956035>poor controlsElaborate.>soullessMeaningless buzzword.
>>735956834Yeah and?
Your reminder that Marathon, even at launch, still had less players than Destiny 2 because the latter actually has a very large console presence
>>735956918>Meaningless buzzword.That's everything with the take of "hardcore game" and "niche"It's buzzwords, the game is neither hardcore nor niche. It's just like their last big release, slow and grindey for the sake of it.
>>735957028That and they hook a lot of suckers off of Destiny 1. They have burned a lot of good will since then but the sequels success was tied to the clowns believing things would be different. This? This is boy who cries wolf level where they lost all their fans. I have no fucking clue why Sony bought them.
>>735954925>What the hell is Bungee thinkingThis is just classic Bungie
>>735955213>Who the fuck IS this game for?me>oh no, my lolcow whore streamers are not playing it!!where in the fuck ass bitch is this not a good thing?
>>735957126>I have no fucking clue why Sony bought them.nta but some retarded old zipperhead probably thought microjewsoft were gonna buy them out again so they got greedy, in any other time nip heads would be rolling for such a major fuckup
>>735955896dyeing easily and losing all for your grind and gear is frustrating, but the massive amount of rewards the game constantly showers you in and the infinite free kits and scav runs you can have just make it impossible for you to lose the game and have to do naked runs, while simultaneously make the actual loot you find in games worthless, imagine playing tarkov but the guns you get from other players break after getting looted too many times, and are often not much better than what you can get for free, but to advance in the game and discover the lore and find new stuff to do you have to complete torture-like missions and grind boring events you can lose progress for every time you die. It's not hardcore, if it was at least the difficulty would keep players coming, it's just frustrating, like that "getting over it" game that, coincidentally, only streamers play.
>>735954925>hardcoreAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>735955979no shit because then it wouldn't be trying to demand our attention and our wallets. AAA marketing is what people are tired of for a game that is trash.
>>735955837Guess what dipshit, you need a healthy influx of timmies to keep a game alive otherwise you're only going to be playing the same fucking people in perpetuity with zero changes. That was fine when servers browsers were a thing but we don't get those anymore.
>design a game for streamers>less viewers than dayZ and star citizenits beyond over for bungie, pack it up shills i doubt they're even going to pay you
>>735956861If you actually study the Cryo map you can avoid fights almost entirely.Unless a team explicitly comes to your spawn to hunt you, and you don't care for Vaults, just spawn with a bare minimum poverty kit, go to all the nearby terminals and UESC for clearance, and exfil after only looting your area of the map. You can still get a ton of good stuff.
>>735954925>>Game needs to sell to a large audience to be financially viable.this i think is wrongi know we like to think everything is concord 2but sony has a fat wallet and can afford to burn endless amounts of money soley to keep up brand perception, which has been tarnished over the last few yearsensuring sony is not known as the concord company is all the motivation they need to keep dumping money into the bungie pit
>>735954925lalilulebros... we should support 'our' companies.
>>735954925is it malicious compliance? sony told them to straight up cut the spending right down. so instead of making destiny 3 they made a pretty barebones deathmatch game and maybe like once or twice a year get a single "raid" map, instead of having to constantly pump out content for D2.proving to Sony yeah like maybe you shouldn't have interfered, it takes a lot of people to make a a lot of content and make a good live service shooter and you'd have D3 on your hands right now, instead of this flop shit.
>>735959272this shits getting so ridiculous im not even a brownoid and im offended by this overtly white butchering of language
>>735959331thats probably called "doing the best with what you got"but yeah why would you spend 4 billion dollars on a studio known for burning truckloads of cash and tell them to stop? you're already 4b in the hole you might as well get what you paid for
>>735955664The funniest thing about the charts for this game is how much more drastic the swings from high to low are compared to other games, since the game isn't popular outside of USA. Absolute slop eating pigs kek.
>>735959380dude don't be like that
>>735959578Sony would rather buy and give studios a rope to hang itself with then let Microsoft get them. It's corporate eugenics.
>>735960130yeah everyone bitches and moans about ea but sony has a body count higher than jeffrey dahmer
>marathon>hardcore game for a hardcore niche audienceI see maratroonies are doing damage control by reframing the narrative now. It's not just a flop, hubris and wokeness. Actually it was too ambitious of a project, too avant garde, to appeal to anyone but the most sophisticated of tryhards, so mass appeal was impossible.Hmmm I see what you are getting at bungiedads, $3.6BILLION left to go though.
>>735959272>>735959837How can anyone with a conscience still support or defend this terminally pozzed company at this point?>inb4 muh 343 Same shit, different name
>>735959830Half the population is middle aged amerishartoids playing after work, half of it is bots. I don't even need proof, such as the sudden 20k spike instantaneously after maintenance, or the obviously fake reviews. I just know it because I was blessed with intuition, and I use it to observe patterns because I have internal monologue.
>>735958278>imagine playing tarkov but the guns you get from other players break after getting looted too many timesThis is kind of a non-mechanic, when you die obviously the gun is effectively lost forever for you anyway and people generally aren't looting whole guns off each other that often since they take so much inventory space so I'd imagine the number of times someone has actually had a gun break from excessive looting after exfil is probably not even triple digits across the entire playerbase.Other than that I do agree with the general sentiment of the majority of loot feeling worthless and events being lame and over-emphasized.
>Lost 15k players Saturday to Saturday Why do Bungie shills keep saying it has a stable playerbase
>>735960643if u compare it to the most extreme examples having 40k at all right now is better than i expectedi just need this game to die so i can check another game that doesnt support linux off my list
>>735954925The game is not that hardcore because it has a fuckton of safety nets. Niggas have just been buckbroken by bottom of the barrel dogshit for retards. No one cant even grasp the concept of shoot n skoot.
>>735954925If journalists are willing to cooperate with Bungie, that means Bungie is a fag company.
>>735954925>What the hell is Bungee thinking."We should sell off to the chinese.
>>735956035The game is not grindy at all lmao. A single good run is all that you need to be ready for cryo. Amazing how much shit shitters have to come up with just to bitch about this game.
>>735954925Name 5 (five) hardcore games.
>>735955664>Stable player base>Loses 2k every day
>>735961712ChessRugbyLe mansPokerGlobal thermonuclear war
>>735961201Wait is this real?
>>735960643>Why do Bungie shills keep saying it has a stable playerbaseThats the line fed to them by their masters. Anyone can check the charts and see it is obviously not stable.
>>735954925>Develop a hardcore game for a niche audience using a AAA game budget.sounds great
>>735961871Yes
>>735962068So there's hope Destiny 2 can be good again?
>>735961871no>Destiny: Rising, a free-to-play mobile game set in an alternate Destiny timeline, under a licensing agreement with Bungie.
>>735961974not for Sony, lel
>>735955664Pure cope EA fired most of dice because BF6 didn't it targets and it was the biggest selling game in history...Bungie are fucking toast and now it's just a matter of when Sony takes the axe to them. They are clearly trying to save face by doing it quietly as it's a massive embarrassment both failing at another live service and failing at pushing PSN as everyone is on pc not PS5 lol
>>735957064Hardcore means its balls to the wall. No participation awards. Niche is that not everyone will stomach it because most people are bitches even on videogames kek
>>735954925>This game is TOO HARDCORE FOR CASUALSIts probably the most approachable extraction shooter outside arc raiders....
The game would have done better as a pve co-op game instead of more pvp shit.
>>735962482yeah id have maybe played it if it was co-op (and supported linux)
>>735962554Don't forget to verify your age
>>735962625um ackshually i use artix which is refusing age verification
>>735955181about as long as the battlefield 3 thread
LOL
>>735963803sony is an extended comedy routine
>>735954925>>No fuck that lets design a game that only appeals to the most hardcore tryhards.incoherent rant, disregarded
>>735963803This is probably because Bungie published it themselves. They wasted so much fucking money on fake IRL pranks, music videos, short films, ARGs.
>>735963980hey, getting an animation from Alberto Mielgo is hardly a waste, that shit looks cool
>>735956171It's definitely not 100%, I've done so many pinwheel runs and not seen a key. My buddies and I got a few but keep dying before we can finish a vault.
It's actually so over for Bungie
>>735954925> Develop a hardcore game for a niche audience using a AAA game budget.That was their big mistake. There’s nothing really wrong with the game, the audience just isn’t that big.
>>735965639the game was going to be good until ziegler torpedoed the design and brought in pvp classes
/v/ is now at the point that they are crying that a game isn't casual enough.Let that sink in.
>>735965728How is that a surprise? Only casual cozy games you can’t lose in get the /v/igger stamp of approval.
>>735963803bruh sony already drowning bungiethey're dead lmao
>>735965696ziegler?
>>735954925They could have just remade Marathon 1 and Sony would have had its own Halo.
The "it's just too hardcore for normies!" cope is especially sad I've got to say. Like saying "I'm too good for them anyways" after they're the ones who got dumped. It's just cope that is easier to politely let them have rather than argue against
>>735965886/v/ is no different than any social media platform at this point, all just bots and hardeeps ragebaiting for "engagement" except you don't even get monetary compensation on this site so they're no better than jannies.
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>>735966028that is the exact opposite of their mindset, they want live service battle pass pvp, they shit on singleplayer gamers becuse they're casuals, not good enough to play online, yeah we're making a real game for real gamers (tm)
>>735965958kek I think this every time I hear his name too
>What the hell is Bungee thinking.Their were so focused in developing a nig hair tech for inclusion that they forgot to make a good game. It happens.
>>735966225>if you dont eat literal shit you are a bot
