Does minmaxing stat growths actually matter or can you just switch to any vocation whenever you please?
>>735996327The difference between a poorly built character and a minmaxed one is around double or triple damage last I remember calculating it.
it doesn't matter>>735996462this is true, but nothing in the game is hard enough that the damage numbers would matter
>>735996327None of it matters unless you plan to farm end game BBI content. Definitely not worth worrying about on a 1st playthrough.
>>735996746Define "matters". Some people only play RPGs to see end credits. Others do it to make OP builds to wreck monsters with as hard as you can. Pretty retarded to just assume what OP wants out of the game.
>>735996918you can make an OP build that wrecks monsters without being wizard for 20 levels and the sorc for 80 or whatever, which is the standard path for minmaxing
>>735996327Definitely, the boss encounters are extremely well tuned for difficulty. You probably will have to restart several times before even defeating the first enemy on your screen. Dragons dogma was one of those ultra hardcore gamer products trying to capitalize on what wow became. But it came out horribly, the mechanics were so easy I could play without hands and just let my online party do the entire story and boss mechanics for me. Rating this game a 10/-10 isn’t awful.
>>735996327Its no dd onlineThere's literally no stats
>>735996327it doesn't matter that much unless you're playing BBI 2.0 on hard mode then it matters.
>>735996327They don't matter. Your equipment and augments account for 90% of your damage. The extra 10% doesn't matter because you're already stomping the game by that point.
>>735997056I play BBI 2nd phase with my non min-max first playthrough character and beat the shit out of everything on hard mode. The game is too easy if anything.
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>>735996327just get the mod that lets you make it so the game thinks you leveled as a specific vocation. if you want to be completely balanced just set it to strider since strider gets the most balanced stat gains
>>735996327Doesn't matter, don't get memed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj5u3F-FSeA
If you care about being “optimal” and speed killing endgame bosses, then it matters a lot. But for enjoying the game to completion? Even 100% completion? Not at all. It might take you twice as long to kill the DLC end boss. But normal sane people only kill him once (twice if you count first form as the same boss). But for people who want to grind out super rare items by running BBI dozens and dozens of times, it ends up mattering quite a lot. But I have no idea why anyone does this. You are grinding the hardest content in the game to get better gear, and using that better gear to grind the exact same thing but slightly faster. There’s nothing left to do, you are preparing for harder content that doesn’t exist. If NG+ increased difficulty, it would make sense. But it doesn’t. By the time you clear BBI once you are already strong enough that all other content is trivial. So what’s the point in doing BBI over and over for better gear?Dragons Dogma is a terrible “grind and loot power scale myself” game. Because the ability to farm rare strong gear is locked behind the hardest thing in game. It’s just pointless.But it is a fantastic regular RPG, which you play and do all the content once, then stop when you have done everything. Maybe redo it several months or years later with a different build. For this purpose min maxxing is pointless, and arguably makes game less fun by removing freedom to experiment and also making game comically easy.
>>735997343>comparing stat spread to blackwing bow, a post-post-endgame grind weapon>ignoring how famage calculations in the game work with them beng a flat DEF-ATT check meaning a difference of 200 damage on an enemy with DEF close to your ATT means a massive damage boostYou're a fucking idiot.
>>735996327I almost didn't bother playing the game because I thought min-maxing was something you had to do or get soft-locked later. Turns out that was a complete fucking lie, I just played the game and leveled up every vocation and never had an issue. Usually bad performance in combat was a result of poor party composition or underpowered weapons.
>>735997627I've never played vocations i don't want to play for 190 levels, so I'm not actually
>>735996327You can absolutely kill anything with smart item/skill usage and gear will make a good chunk of your statsBUTDue to the way damage is calculated, even a single extra point in strength or magick could mean all the difference for overcoming defenses. Minmaxing strength by leveling as assassin (or magick as sorcerer) and getting good augments can let you kill enemies quite a bit earlier than you'd be able to otherwise
It doesn’t matter you don’t hit level 200 unless you grind autistically
>>735996327I don't know man i just played straight warrior and beat a metal golem in the everfall
Does it matter? Not really. You can do assassin to the max level for pure strength and you will still easily kill everything with dominion claw/sanguine staff. If you really want a "build", just do pure fighter. At max level, you will still kill everything with no issues and you will tank everything that isn't magic and literal Death.
>>735996327It makes some difference, but it's absolutely not worth stressing over or forcing yourself to play through the game in a way you don't find enjoyable. >>735997056I mostly leveled as a warrior or assassin, and I can still stomp anything in BBI easily as a sorcerer or magick archer.
>>735996327>>735996462https://youtu.be/Pj5u3F-FSeA?si=iu4FBwY80qXLtqSshttps://youtu.be/oIKi0uWGgMo?si=VPavJStP4-4XEsJM
>>735997436My main reason for grinding gear is to fashionmax my pawn.
>>735996327no but I would keep to a theme of either physical or magical per playthrough. if you spend the entire game as a warrior then reroll to sorc you will have a shitty time due the way defenses work. This problem also happens with hybrids but hybrids are have busted skills to compensate, so you dont have to minmax as a sorc for 200 levels before playing MA. (but if you did, you will be shitting damage, which is quite fun). Besides that it really doesn't matter.
>>735996327Better question is why are you playing DD1 when DD2 exists?
>>736000131DDDA is better
>>735996327It matters but it also doesn't matter.You can do whatever you want, but someone min-maxxing will be a few magnitudes stronger.But that said, everything is balanced around the assumption that people aren't min-maxxing at all.
>>735996327I like to play Fashions Dogma and having certain builds makes it easier to do so.
>>736000131because DD1 has multiple fights with actual dragons
>>736000187How so?
>>736000370what's the bar for "actual dragon' now ? doesn't sound like you mean the respawning flying lizards in both games if you say it like that
>>735996462true but the autistic grind is boring. You will actually have way more fun playing a generalist character that switches between all professions in your run. The reason is because the weaker you are the more fun BBI is but whatever class you are playing will make you strong enough to get through anything in the game. Just mix match your party or do fun shit like 3 mages for tornado spamming. You can do greatsword warrior and spam 4 moves the entire game but it is pure autism. Way more fun changing things up.
>>735996327Does it matter? Yes kinda but mostly only if you are autistic. Gear will make up most stats anyway. If you play a mage for 200 levels and then try to play warrior you will probably be totally fucked.
>>736000538I mean the first game has a bunch of set piece crap with Grigori and then an actual fight Plus the Ur-DragonPlus Daimon if you want to count thatThe second game doesn't even have a real fight with Grigori, plus whatever bosses it did have I can't even remember, Medusa I guess, but that's fully optional
>>736000676>If you play a mage for 200 levels and then try to play warrior you will probably be totally fucked.It's like a 30 second difference in how fast it takes to kill things, it's not a big deal
>>736000967it is thoughIT IS THOUGH
>>736000697aren't the red world things technically classified dragons? (including the stupid jar dragon)
>>736000967well to be fair endgame warrior vs mage would be like 4000 hp as well or some shit which doesnt matter much when you can instant heal in menus
>>736000131why not?
>>736001013the unicorn ones are no more complex than drakes and you fight tons of themI guess the worm thing is interesting but again, I had to be reminded of that and all that shit is is gated to the 30 minutes you spend in the red world the point being, dragon's dogma 1 has a dragon's literal dogmaI can't remember what if anything grigori says in the second game, but I do remember it was disappointing
Character height and weight>>>>Stamina>Health>>>>Defense>>>>>OffenseHeight and Weight is 80% of what you should worry about. Yes you can spam items for stamina but having a much larger pool is so much comfier. You can spam items for health but you need to survive a hit first. There are so many ways to amplify damage besides growth it doesn't matter.
>>736001197and the kirin one. The red world doesn't shrink if you kill all the dragons without resting.
>kills everything in the game
>>735996327Instead of diminishing your experience by using vocations you don't want, I suggest using "dinput8.dll hooks" from nexus to modify your stats as you wish. Even if you don't use the mod for that purpose, it has other functions that might be useful.
I just started this game and got the berserk armor mod. How long will it take to get it?
>>735997436>speed killing endgame bossesbe ranger, tenfold flurry, x4 conqueror's periapts, explosive arrows, and a decent bow will kill death in seconds. even on a character that hasn't been minmaxed.
I’d appreciate oldfag assistance. (Spoilers for people just starting) I just completed the mission on the Great Wall where grigori shit stomps the salvation guy and calls me out. He told me to talk to the duke, but I explored around and entered the path to the mountain. Now my objective is “confront the dragon,” the duke doesn’t have anything for me but canned dialogue, and judging from how a pack of harpies absolutely raped my party I’m grievously underleveled for what I can only assume is the final boss of the main game. What’s up? Is there some way to get people talking to me again or did I accidentally railroad myself into the endgame. Also death killed me in 1 hit on bitterblack isle so I don’t think I’m ready for that either lmao. More generally, I think my party balance is a little fucked. I’ve been every strength adjacent class, and everything’s fun but in big fights I get the feeling that I’m just tickling the boss until my goth sorcerer wife one shots whatever we’re fighting with meteor.
>>736002172you buy them from a random merchant in the tunnels after you do a side quest for him unless the mod changed it
>>736002183yellow vocations just mogs everything in dd tho, sorc and warrior is just a bad time without any stat optimization
>>736002187I don't remember the duke having shit to say after that fight but it's been a while. If you're getting fucked up then you might need better weapons/armor or to upgrade the ones you've got. You can also go beat up the dragon in the forest to try and dragonforge your gear but that's a pretty low chance. Also harpies are just cunts to deal with anyway, and I think those are succubi, the upgraded versions.
>>736002474>yellow vocations just mogs everything in dd thoYes.>sorc and warrior is just a bad timeNo.
>>736002187i never had any issue with being underleveled for grigori. i would just say go and grind/upgrade gear if you feel you are taking too much damage or don't have enough damage output. also, sometimes groups of enemies can be harder to deal with than a single big baddie. i remember always having a terrible time with harpies if i wasn't using a vocation with some kind of ranged attack.>Also death killed me in 1 hit on bitterblack isle so I don’t think I’m ready for that either lmao.when death shows up in BBI, it is recommended to just run past him through to the next area. with the exception of super cheese, death takes multiple encounters to kill (he will flee after you do a certain amount of damage to him if he isn't stunlocked). you could go through the first level of BBI (up until the first shortcut) and try and get some superloot.also, bit of a spoiler, but grigori isn't the final boss.
>>736002187Talk to the dragon forged
>>736002187>He told me to talk to the dukeYou can talk to the dragonforged (guy at the stonehenge hill place), although it's an optional visit.There might be some side quests you can still do but at this point the main quest is only to fight the dragon.
>>736002187Sprint past everything in that area, they're harder than the boss. You'll have access to much stronger gear after finishing the main story and then enemies of that tier will actually be reasonable. Better weapons and hitting weakspots are where most of your damage comes from.
>>736002498I actually already killed the lesser dragon in the woods. It took all my stockpiled healing items and like a full in game day but it was sick. I don’t think anything got dragon forged though. >>736002602>>736002592Fuck, I think that is it. I guess I thought he said dragonbane not dragon forged. Though it’s still weird how the objective marker switched, so I think there was something that I interrupted. But I’ll go talk to Stonehenge guy. >>736002586Noted about death. Before he absolutely blasted me I was doing pretty good work on the other mobs so I guess I’ll push through. >>736002815Interesting.Regarding gear, I pretty much just have level 2-3 of whatever highest stat thing the gran Soren / northern encampment merchant are selling. If there’s high tier gear out in the world I’m not chancing into it. Got some gold stuff from escort quests but I’m pretty sure they’re a meme.
>>736002815>Sprint past everythingDisgusting. I bet you throw Rook into the brine, too.
>>736004465Only because he's ugly and has the same voice actor as the sleazy characters from Skyrim
