Why does Blue talk so much shit to Red throughout the game even though he repeatedly loses to Red?
>>736002062I do the same in multiplayer games, it's called banter
He is pushing you like a good rival
>>736002062Character archetypes, every rival has one,, for example Wally is a sickly kid who overcomes his limitations through sheer force of will and Hugh is an obsessive avenger with a hate boner for Team Plasma, Blue's archetype is being an unrepentant stuck-up dipshit even when he loses.
huh? that's Dicks Oak.
>>736002674I still say Dicks Oak sometimes lol
>>736002102I can't unless I'm clearly better than themIt's embarrassing
He knows he's good though. If he was one of the later rivals who just falls off the wagon halfway through you'd have a point but Blue becomes Champion. For about five minutes lmao.
>>736002062Good point. At least in the anime, Gary actually mogs Ash. In the vidya, he gets BTFO over and over.
>>736002062He wins in his own mind, better than that loser from silver.
>>736003882Ikr. It's always funny when he acts cocky after a battle and I'm like "Dude I literally just beat you."
>>736002062I mean, he is genuinely getting things done faster than you.And that's the problem. He's doing things the fast way, not the right way.
>>736002717Back when I was younger when he told me his name was ??? I told the cop the exact same thing that it was ???, I didn't know I was naming him
>>736005153You are not alone anon haha....
>>736005153>>736005290You did it on purpose to be funny like literally everyone else.
>>736002062Because he's known Red since they were in diapers and talking shit is just how he communicates with him. Red could be high champion of the omniverse and Blue would still talk smack to him, it's just their dynamic
>>736002062Losers are insecure about their inability to win, so they talk trash to protect their ego from emotional harm.
>>736005889Older Blue seems to have mellowed out
>>736002062>>736003882Unless you’re metagaming or just miss it you’re almost guaranteed to lose the second fight with him just outside Veridian City
because he fucked red's mom
>>736004970I mean, he said he had 40 different species by the SS Anne fight. He's pretty much catching em all up to that point.
>>736006569Yeah I lost that fight the first time which is why I made sure to grind a lot throughout the game so that I'd never lose to him again
>>736002062>collects basically everything>becomes the championRed may have ultimately been better, but Blue was faster, and clearly one of the best in the world too. He deserved to be cocky.
>>736002062Because he's a kid and kids are less likely to accept losing?
>>736002062he's tsun tsun
>>736002062He really doesn't, outside of informing Red that he will sniff him at a later time. People confuse Blue for the way Gary was in the anime, and Gary was a dick there. Silver was an actual cunt, and he was a bad character as a result of it.
>>736006569The problem with that fight is that, unless you know its there, you're almost guaranteed to walk in to it by accident with a level 6 starter, while Blue sends out a level 9 Pidgey after like 10 minutes of game time. It's kinda bullshit actually.
>>736010373>People confuse Blue for the way Gary was in the animeTo me, Blue will forever be Gary, it only makes sense.
>>736010435I think it's cool that they humble the player a little so early on, teach them to catch more and (if necessary) grind.
>>736002062He actually doesn't. Most of the time he gives you advice.
>>736002062Because hes constantly ahead of you and its expected that he kicks your ass a few times before you win.
What was his problem?
>>736013164Fatherless upbringing
>>736013164Stuck in Johto with shit else to do but be a dick
>>736013164His absent father is Giovanni, who he genuinely hates, and seeks to become a stronger trainer than him. He was basically an orphan who wanted to prove himself. The game doesn't really highlight his character arc, but in his last battle, he has a Crobat, which is only possible if you max out its friendship, so he learned to love his pokemon after seeing that you didn't just treat them as tools.
>>736013164He has no dick
>>736013164fucked his sister
>>736013427I did kinda think he might have been a girl when I was a kid.
>>736013164>Son of crimelord of a syndicate known for poaching and stealing Pokemon.>Rather than take a Dratini from the Game Corner stockpile, you steal a Pokemon from a podunk town that doesn't even have a Mart or Center.Yeah, I know, when they were doing GS I don't think that they had the idea that Silver was Giovanni's son, and they needed a rival, all that shit. It just seems a weird and arbitrary way to go about proving oneself.
There was the DUDE on the first route who shows you how to catch a Rattata, and he'll do it over and over again. Silver could have just asked him for a Nibbles.
>>736013607stealing a rare pokemon directly from a renowned professor is not exactly a low level crime
>>736002062the doujins of these two are fantastic. gary talks and goes fucking nuts trying to figure out red, imagining what he says in his own head, and reds just "...". its pretty funny.
>>736014074are you sure? letting a child walk away with a world ending weapon is just, tuesday, out there.
>>736012604Sure. It just enticed me more, to know what was past him.
>>736013607dratini sucks though. i mean sure, a fledgling dickass trainer wouldn't know it's complete dead weight for 55 levels, but still
>>736014369They did something like this when you met them in SunMoon too, Blue bantering while Red only ever responds with ...
>>736014453>to know what was past him>turns out it's a giant building that the guard wont let you go past
>>736014875I actually came back after beating Brock, because I remember the guy mentioning the boulder badge. Only to find...another badge check. I never stopped exploring every nook and cranny though.
>>736002062Having him become the champ just before you get there is an amazing move. One of the few things Gen 1 still does better than any other game along with the Safari Zone and the handling of the Master Ball
>>736002062Blue wants to be better and uses all the shittalk as a motivator. If we’re being fair he does beat the champion before you so hes not all talk
>>736015296I liked how in Scarlet and Violet, Nemona was already a champion when you started your journey. Wasn't too fond she was still doing the overly peppy thing rivals have been doing since gen 3. though.
>>736013607The Game Corner had been shut down by that point, and he also probably didn't want any Pokemon that Team Rocket might have abducted.
>>736002062Bump
>>736015545I didn't. It makes becoming a champion feel like something literally anyone could do if a brand new trainer whoops the current champ in their first battle.A champ should be better than you when you start the game, not worse.
>>736020415It should be obvious she was using some of her weaker pokemon. It's established that in canon, when you fight the first gym leader, say Brock, he's not using his best pokemon to fight you. How could he be? There's a trainer in Mt. Moon that also has a Geodude and an Onix, both at higher levels that Brock, so why wouldn't that random Hiker be the Pewter gym leader instead?>It makes becoming a champion feel like something literally anyone could doThey can. Blue does, and he does it right before you take his place.
>>736013607>Yeah, I know, when they were doing GS I don't think that they had the idea that Silver was Giovanni's son, and they needed a rival, all that shit.I have faint memories of him being related to Giovanni being something people talked about in the schoolyard in 2000 but I'm not sure if it was just bullshit rumours that came true, or they had dropped hints throughout the game. I was also a dumbshit when I was young cause I believed in the Mew under the truck.
>>736020862I know she is using weaker Pokemon.Why isn't she better at battling than a first timer? She should be smarter than a route 2 NPC.
>>736021004In the Sevii islands in FRLG, there's a Rocket grunt that mentions that Giovanni's son has red hair but nothing else, so that's where the speculation originally came from. It wasn't officially confirmed until HGSS.
>>736021202Interesting, must have been a schoolyard rumour that just lucked out into being the truth.
>>736020415To be fair, SV trainers are bottom of the barrel weak, and this includes Geeta, so no wonder Nemona wanted to groom a newcomer into becoming strong enough to give her a good run for her money.
>>736010373>he's bad because he's le meanI get thinking this when you're like 6 but to still say it as an adult is embarrassing
Bruh. Its called trash talk. People who respect eachother can handle it. I hate that they basically got rid of it in newer ganes games.
>>736005153I remember being the only one at school who actually realised that was the game's way of giving him a name.
>>736021685>I hate that they basically got rid of it in newer ganes games.We it makes sense, your rival in every other game was always someone you had just met. Blue was the only one you explicitly knew for years. That's why Blue being a dick is fun but Silver being a dick is unjustified.
Because it’s a game for children and nothing drives a kid more to improve than some playground shit talk.
>>736021774>Silver being a dick is unjustifiedIn what way? You reported him to the police after you saw him with a stolen Pokemon. Of course he hates you.
When did you anons start getting sick of the whole friendly rivalry dynamics?
>>736021958Gen 5 was the start of my fatigue.But X and Y were the absolute fucking worst example of it.
Kanto is so shit
>>736021958May and Brendan kinda suck and don't amount to anything. Wally was OK. Barry was fine in a different way. Bianca was unnecessary. Cherun was ok. I think after that I can't really remember any of them because they were just your best friend.
>>736021925You reported him AFTER he ran in to you and called you a retarded weakling. The police were already at Elm's lab by the time you got back there.
>>736022141You still narc'd on him to the cops.
>>736022117X and Y had like 4 god damn rivals, all friendly, and two of them were entirely pointless. The fat dancing retard and his buddy.also, would N be considered a rival? because despite being part of team plasma, he really wasn't an antagonistic.
>>736021958Gen 5. I was starting to feel it in gen 4 but at least his hyperactivity was entertaining. I don't even remember anything about the gen 5 friends except the girl being useless.
>>736002062Is Red = Ash?Blue certainly looks like Gary.
>>736022231I'm not gonna cover for a dickhead that I don't even know, especially after I learned he was a thief.
>>736021958Hugh in bw2 was a warning sign that the days of the silent protag going on their own adventure was over, and the player was to just become a cameraman for actual characters and their gay arcs (Lillie) because devs can't trust players to find their own fun anymore.
>>736022239Was the alternate playable character even a thing in gen 5? I can't remember. I guess N counts, but ya it kinda hurts his character when its revealed he was just being manipulated.
>>736022265Ash was certainly based on Red, but his design was changed just a bit to make them different. Blue and Gary basically have the same design. Doesn't matter though, pokemon has multiple canons, and Ash and Gary don't exist in the main series games outside of being mentioned with the special timed event greninja.
>>736022294And he has every right to be pissed at you for it.
>>736022401Ash sounds and acts like total whiny faggot compared to the stoic Red.
>>736022383>Was the alternate playable character even a thing in gen 5?No. It started in gen 3, but they haven't done it in every single gen.
>>736022141>You reported him AFTER he ran in to you and called you a retarded weaklingHe challenged you to a fight by shit talking you, yes.Now explain why you think it's "unjustified" for a criminal to shit talk someone (who saw him outside the lab, he pushed you away, remeber) into a fight?He probabaly wanted to steal your Pokemon too. We know he does that to other trainers.
>>736022528One more thing. I'm not saying Silver's actions were correct in anyway. Just that it makes sense that a criminal would be really pissed at you for reporting him and he would continue to be a dickhead.
>>736022617Who the fuck are you?
>>736002062the idea of them being named Red and Blue always bothered me
>>736022784My name is ??? faggot
>>736002062losers typically do
>>736022854Hello ??? faggot.Why are you trying to add words to my post?
>>736022829Funny enough, they have default names that are not Red and Blue if you can somehow load in to the game without actually having created a new file. In Japan, the default names are Shigeru and Satoshi, and in English their names are Ninten and Sony. Obviously these names don't show up on the character name screen.
>THREE /VP/ THREADS ON /V/ AT ONCEGET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER, YOU LAZY JANNY FAGS
>>736022959>in English their names are Ninten and Sony.lolsome beef runs deep
>>736022959For me, its Jack and John.
>>736021958>Wally is irrelevant, he gets his Ralts and you don't see him again until Victory Road>May/Brendan are whatever>Barry is pretty cool, he actively participates in the story, loses against Mars which helps with his character development and never stops getting stronger>Bianca is irrelevant, but a big qt pa2T in B2W2>I'm indifferent to Cheren, he's canonically Champion-tier strong but he comes as annoying>Hugh is MUH PURRLOIN, a blight to look at>lmao Gen 6 """rivals""">Hau is ok, but contributes nothing other than being the new kid's designated punching bag, and him being the first Champion challenger in USUM instead of Kukui came as really forced>haven't played the switch games, so from surface knowledge: I only know that in SwSh Hop gets bodied so hard he quits battling, Bede gets groomed by a grandma and Marnie is just pornbait, while in SV Nemona grooms you instead because she's a battle maniac in a region of reprobates and you mindbreak Kieran so hard you can see his murderous intent whenever he looks at youSo yeah, Barry is still the best, and so is Gen 4.
>>736023051>the names are swapped between versionswould have been cool if they swapped the character you play as as well
>>736023247>Bede gets groomed by a grandma Please go on.
>>736023247>you mindbreak Kieran so hard you can see his murderous intent whenever he looks at youHe wanted to catch Ogrepon. If you use it when you do the double battle against him, both of his pokemon will exclusively target Ogrepon until it dies. Then he hates you so much that when you finally find Terapagos, he immediately throws his own master ball at it, and the fuckin' turtle breaks out anyway.I need to play through that shit again.
>>736023415Bede was your early dickhead rival in SwSh. There's a 70 year old woman running the Fairy type gym named Opal. Later along she's announcing that she's retiring and she appoints Bede as the new leader of her gym. But makes Bede change his type specialty from Psychic to Fairy and she teaches him how to be a gym leader.
>>736002062in the anime, Gary makes sense,he is smug because he has it all, the looks, the skills, the promise, the luck, everything - meanwhile Ash is borderline retarded, he is the polar opposite - the underdog with HEART who gets caught up in everything extra, while the perfect rival just breezes through, needing no lessons or adventure for their success.The lesson is that the prodigy takes everything for granted, they assume success by default, and get it, therefore the humble retard who beats him will cause his inevitable loss to sting all the more.That is the whole purpose of the perfect rival:to give the protagonist satisfaction for overcoming the rival's talent, luck and birthrights with hard work and guts.Just like Gary, blue has EVERY advantage over Red>literally a professor's nephew, part of a bloodline of intellectuals and therefore also had the mental gifts as well as the resources to learn everything about Pokemon before even encountering any in the wild>has the classic rich kid personality, a head start in life, and even gets to choose the weakness of your first mon to rub it inMeanwhile Red is the blank slate,he is meant to portray the only child of a "single mother", meaning he's had a boring & lonely childhood in a tiny town, and the adventure is there to fill the hole in his heartHe essentially starts with nothing except a damn good neighboring professor, who gives a free rare pokemon, but even without one, the results would have been largely the same had he just caught a full hp rattata with no combat or starter
>>736013164Criminal genes
>>736023456>Then he hates you so much that when you finally find Terapagos, he immediately throws his own master ball at it, and the fuckin' turtle breaks out anyway.Meanwhile the MC can use Master Balls nilly willy. No wonder Kieran pretty much breaks the fourth wall and mocks you by calling you the main character of the story, he was that fucking pissed off.
>>736023247>>736023456>mindbreaking a rival so hard that he actively hates youYou guys are pulling my leg, right? I haven't played a Switch game but I can't imagine Game Freak actually doing something like that.Insanely based if true.
>>736002062Consider that he never loses to anybody BUT Red, and from the very beginning he'd set beating Red as his goal, including getting all the badges faster than him and becoming the champion before him. It's easy to maintain a "I'll get him next time" mentality when no one else even comes close, to Blue you might as well have been the only other real trainer in the world.And you're both 11 years old. It's really no surprise he hit you with the smack talk every time you butted heads before the "real showdown"
>>736023880Hell no. You steal his Ogre, steal his sister, and have no problem catching the turtle. He humbles towards the end of the DLC and accepts you as a friend, but he basically wanted to kill you until the very end.
>>736005527Just be grateful you're not autistic
>>736023051>rival is called blue but his sprite is actually redWas that a design decision or gamefreak being incompetent?Gold showed properly colored sprites in battles without any issues
>>736023997I'm a little disappointed to hear he calms down at the end but still impressed they actually did it.
>>736024260>Gen2 came out years after Gen 1 and was an actual GB color gameGood job genius
>>736024260Red and Blue were strictly original gameboy games, so the colors you see here were just them adding colors to their greyscale sprites. Yellow was GBC and had semi-proper colors. Gold and Silver were developed specifically for the GBC so everything was colored properly.
>>736023997>and accepts you as a friendWe all know he would stab you in the heart in your sleep if he had the chance.
>>736024260>why does the game that was released for a handheld without color use rudimentary colors and not a robust palette like the game that released on the system with colors????The world may never know.
>>736022959Is that Sony thing real
>>736013164Daddy inssues
>>736024260I think there was only one colour per screen. Red and Blue didnt have multiple different colours per screen iirc
I haven't played pokemon in years, which one should I play? The last pokemon game I played was black and white
>>736029457Black White 2 then.Legends Arceus is alright if you have a Switch.
>>736023247Ill defend hop, he is pretty much the little brother of one of the strongest trainers in history. Wich while he has fun at first and sees you as the rival and him as the protagonist,repeated reality checks force him to get "Serious" and boxes the wooloo he was taking with him even before he got his starter. This does not work for him either so he ends up with a mixture of a strong team and his original team, pretty much coming up as a "i have to get strong in my own way, but i want to win still"He still comes off stronger than some of the other rivals, specially in the post game where he catches the opposite version legendary.
>>736005290>>736005153Autism is real
>>736030886WRONG PIC
