Should I play Baldur's Gate 1&2 before 3?
>>736011257Yes.BG 1 and 2 have fuck all to do with 3, but they are still peak games regardless.
>>736011320Any other must-play classic cRPGs besides Planescape Torment?
>>736011257>Should I play Baldur's Gate 1&2Yes. No further qualifier needed.
>>736011364Fallout 1/2ArcanumIcewind DaleNWN 2KotOR 1/2 I guess
>>736011257Just be sure to treat Baldur's Gate 2 proper as a sidquest, Throne of Bhaal is the actual, more or less direct sequel to BG1
>>736011257Play 1 & 2 but then don't play 3.
yeah but only if you want to kys after seeing the memberberries in 3
>>736011434Just NWN 2, not 1?
>>736011542NWN 1 has a REALLY shitty singleplayer campsagn. Apparently, it gets better with expansions, but I never played them.It's a framework for mods first and foremost.
>>736011257Yes, but it's not really necessary.
>>736011257just play 1 and 2, ignore 3 (its modern jew slop).BG 1,2.Icewind Dale 1,2.Fallout 1,2. Planescape Torment. Neverwinter Night 2.These are the RPG games you need to play, and you can pretty much ignore every other RPG ever made. Witcher 3 is great if you dont mind roll slop and 3rd person view.
>>736011257no
>>736011542both 1 and 2 base games have absolute dogshit campaigns. the only really praised game from the series is mask of the betrayer if you like obsidian-style writing.
>>736011257What CRPG has good romances? Is it really just BG2? Because I've looked at Owlcat games and they're all just cuck romances.
>>736015118>What CRPG has good romances?None of them.
>>736011536>memberberries in 3Such as? (I only played 3rd game)
>>736015451Shut up Sawyer, you caved-in with Deadfire to save your shitty game and couldn't even win because your romances were all shit.Here's a quote for your ass: anything worth doing is worth doing well
>>736011257bg3 is to BG1&2 what fallout 3 is to Fallout 1&2. Modern slop that uses the name for brand recognition.
>>736015118Dragon Age Origins
BG1+2 have that mystical pre-rendered background artstyle that has been lost with time. it also has a lot of little things>a UI with elements like a journal with entries that read like your character actually wrote them>the ability to make your own notes ingame and place your own markers on maps>all items come with a lore description and concept art next to itI also really, really like the UI of these games. Hard to describe for me, but I like how it feels really fantasy and rustic and not sleek sci-fi like many modern UIs.
>>736015118yeah, it's just BG2pretty much the only CRPG I know where you actually get two elf girls to fight over you. fuck, it's the only CRPG I know where party members can get so fucking mad at each other that they start fighting to their deaths. Edwin and Minsk routinely go at each other, and around the last third of the game, Edwin just turned him into stone during a fight and I had to leave Minsk behind in the Underdark forever.
>>736015902Yes. You actually must play the older Baldurs Gate games.
>>736015902I think the UI design is a lost art. Everything nowadays has to be slick and minimalistic. What happened to pretty UIs? They were a part of the atmosphere.
>>736017038You can thank Apple and modern web design and the rise of UX for that.The school of thought is that your UI has to clearly communicate its intention and everything else is cluttering and confusing the consumer.So now it's all about making it retard proof.
>>736015451>make good points>cave to Reddit fanficers years later to shill your game>still shitFuck's sake Josh
>>736011257i finished BG1 recently and it was pure kino, the expansion is fucking ass so far though
>>736011257I tried to play BG1 but I got filtered by all the clicking. Basically everything in this game requires a left click and you can't rebind it to anything else. Not giving myself carpal tunnel for this shit. Game seems neat but no thanks. I'll play it if it ever gets game pad support.
>>736011257No. Jump to 3 right away.
>>736011257If you do, pirate or buy an original copy somewhere. Don't give beamdog slop any money.
>>736017038>What happened to pretty UIsNot accessible. What if a colorblind 70 IQ retard wants to play your game?
>>736017247>I'll play it if it ever gets game pad support.It should be, it released on consoles.
Uncslop thread
>>736011257The games are so different that you would not miss anything by playing 3. Even the combat is different, pretty much all that is similar is an isometric view, the setting, and a handful of mechanics like some spells and abilities. All the games are worth playing.
>>736011257>Should I play Baldur's Gate 1&2 before 3?Hard for me to say. I played each game when it came out. In a pefect world that's how things should be played but if you don't have the time you can start with BG3 and play BG1 and 2 later.
>>736017298cool it with the misogyny
>>736017331Now THIS is a meme I can get behind.
>>736011257No, all computer rpgs released after 1992 and before 2015 are bad.
Play BG1 in BG2 using that one mod. Because the UI sucks dick otherwise.
>>736017460"The Original Saga"? Or some other one?
>>736011257You should play the original trilogy and skip the "3".
>>736011257they're completely different gamesBGI/I are CRPGsBG3 is a tactical combat game with a shitty story
>>736017529Baldur's Gate Trilogy. Or EE Trilogy if you are using the EE games.Or just play EE games, because BG1 EE already transfers BG1 into the superior BG2 engine.
>>736017247How do you even use a PCDid you know everything you do on a PC requires leftclicking too?
>>736017745He's a consolenigger so he only turns on his PC to boot up a game
>>736017460>Because the UI sucks dick otherwise.???The UI is identical in BG1 and 2. Literally all the same buttons.
>>736017745The amount of times you click per second in a game like this (especially considering it's fucking REAL TIME) compared with how often you click while browsing a message board don't even remotely compare. Most things on a computer don't really require constant intensive clicking since a lot of computer use is just reading. I quit 3D modeling partially because the amount of clicking it requires was starting to be too much for me.
>>736017927BG1 and 2 use extensive keyboard shortcuts. Use them.
>>736017801no, they changed a lot of UI elements for the worse, like those little circles around characters to identify them, completely ruining the cohesion of the art style.
>>736018003What.Those remain the same, they are only higher res. Because BG1 ran in 640x480 resolution exclusively.
>>736017247>>736017927i played 100+ hrs of BG1 with the shittiest mouse setup and my wrist didnt hurt once while playing
>>736011515SoA's story fleshes out Charname Bhaalspawn's nature more thoroughly, as well as defining the actual stakes and explaining the huge power-jump from level 7 NiggerFaggot to level 18+. Jon Irenicus is also an exceptional villain, that is only in BG2.
>>736018079no, they do not. now tell me, why are you lying?
>>736017982Do they really? I swear I spent a lot of time going through the menus and figuring out what could be keybinded and the most important things couldn't be. For example, I'm pretty sure click to move is non-negotiable. In Path of Exile a lot of players will bind click to move to a key to reduce RSI (but for me I just sidestep the issue entirely and play on controller).
>>736018116That's EE you are showcasing.Also, there is an option to turn on the original selection circles.
>>736017228>expansiondragonspear? You don't need to play that, in fact you should just avoid it
>>736017745>Did you know everything you do on a PC requires leftclicking too?Do wincucks really?
>>736017684>BGI/I are CRPGsWhat are you talking about? Every BG is a shitty WEG with fake gameplay bolted on. BG2 literally has quantitatively more text than planescape torment and every last word of it is text dumps of Tumblr tier dnd fan fiction. If this is what a crpg is then there aren't any worth playing.
>>736018164I thought we were talking about EE? my mistake then, because every single EE choice to change the UI was abysmal, and it made me regret ever buying it.
>>736017927I don't know how the fuck you play BG1 but you're playing it wrong as hell if you think it requires "intensive clicking". BG1 is not Starcraft.Here's how you're supposed to play it:>monsters appear>press spacebar, game pauses>issue orders at your own pace while the game is paused>unpause with spacebar>watch as the enemies die
>>736018346don't bother, he's a consolefag, pressing pause and then clicking 5 times is enough to overload his concentration ability.
>>736018346That's definitely not how it goes at the beginning, especially if you're a squishy mage, kiting is mandatory.
Why are Baldur's Gate portraits so ugly.
>>736018278>every last word of it is text dumps of Tumblr tier dnd fan fiction>Founded February 2007Strange, I don't recall the developers being time travellers...
>>736018416There is a story behind it.
>>736018346>modern kids cant even handle Real Time with Pause, too fast, too hardJesus Christ.
>>736018416you can change them
>>736018409>cast sleep>kill enemies one by onewaow
>>736018569>the enemies outside of the sleep range go after you anyway>and because you are lvl 1 mage, you are now out of spellsWhat's the next step of your masterplan?
guys, im gonna admit to something here.im filtered by the end-boss in Icewild Dale 1. i just fucking cant do it. motherfucker keeps one-shotting me, or spams those gigantic demon gates and meteors.how the fuck am i supposed to win this?
>>736018409>kiting is mandatoryErm, you're struggling with the fight in the keep? You do know you don't need to kite, you can, unless you're a retard, just kill them easilyunless you meant after the prologue but they give you Imoen at the start solely for people like you who couldn't play
>>736018674Icewind Dale 1**fucking phone.
>>736018213I know, I wanted to see why they consider it so bad, and it didn't take long at allEven the newly added characters are annoying af
>>736018674Protection against Evil is a surefire counter against demons. And y'know - Fire resistance.
>>736018674what difficulty? what classes in your party?
>>736018409The only instance where I had to kite an enemy was when you fight a demon in a basement, who heals if you don't kill the cult members
>>736018749>>736018753medium difficulty. standard party.2 warriors.1 priest.1 thief.1 sorcerer.1 archer. i know i have to spam "True Sight" and fire resistance, but he is just cutting my whole party up into pieces.
I am about to do a re-run soon guys!
>>736019037Have fun.I am always thinking about doing a re-run, but then I can't be bothered with modding the game.
>>736019037i forgot how huge this game is.
>>736018569>>736018665>>736018696I think my strat was sending in my familiar to melee them to death but also having him kite because he too was squishy and if he dies it's a pain to resummon him. I can't remember if I even had any other spells besides summoning my familiar. I like playing a summoner in games but the micromanagement required here was too much clicking.
>>736019196dude, the familiar isnt supposed to fight, its not a tank or a golem from diablo 2. its a tiny little furry companion that can find traps or cast a few low level spells.
>>736019196Most of the time, I just the biggest asshole in the room, cast Charm/Dominate on him and then have him go to town. Sleep is unfortunately too situational and becomes useless at higher levels. That's one thing BG3 does better, there is always some use for that spell.
>>7360112572 kinda bores me... I've gotten to chapter 2 but it feels like I can barely kill anything without exploding. My party keeps bitching at me about doing their sidequests, loot sells for nothing, once I get into combat it's simultaneously far too fast to follow what everyone's spell effects are doing yet way too slow having to filter through my own spells. Also Aerie keeps running out of ammo and trying to punch enemies which is driving me insane.
>>736019375anon this isnt Diablo 4.
>>736015902You mean the plain, brown and greys that were mentioned be soul?
>>736019347So picking familiar at the beginning is a noob trap that I fell for? Instead of picking an actually useful spell that could get me through combat? I really wanted to play a summoner, so naturally I beelined for it.
>>736018928you fucked it up. you should have had at least 2 fighter-mages and 2 fighter-clerics or 4 fighter-mage-clerics
>>736011257You should play Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2, but never touch Divinity: Original Gay Bear Sodomy 3. The latter is hyper woke slop for degenerates and retards.
>>736019196>sending familiar in firstYou uh, you don't do that. BG1/2 is not NWN1/2>>736019585play Diablo 2 if you want to be a summonerSummoners in DND don't exist, really, especially at low levels
>>736019516I know, but I'm just really struggling figuring the combat out. I've already hit two dead end quests with the Vampire dude and the slaver ship and am kinda lost as to where I can actually go within my level. I also think I'm on borrowed time since I know Aerie and the Barbarian apparently split from the party after a while and I really don't want to play without a healer and tank
>>736019585>So picking familiar at the beginning is a noob trap that I fell for?the familiar is actually one of the best level 1 spells, you just have to use it properly.its not a diablo golem.
>>736019641Yeah, I love playing a summoner in D2 (and PoE), I was hoping to be able to recreate that high in a different context. Oh well.
>>736019685you leave the main quest for last. first, explore all the areas of the city. start with the copper coronet in the slums. tons of quests to get several level-ups.
>>736019729you *CAN* be a summoner in BG2 but it will never be as good as your own character kicking ass.
>>736019729In theory you could probably get away with it with mods in BG2, not sure if summon limits are applied there but you;d need to be high level to even start due to how limit things areYou could just do druid or inquisitor or something in Pathfinder tooor get the PRC mod for NWN1 and turn off summon limits
>>736011320>BG 1 and 2 have fuck all to do with 3,To be fair the Dark Urge route in 3 thematically lines up with the first two games.
>>736011257you should play 1&2 and not 3
>>736011320imo there was nothing peak about 3, i couldnt cope with the trash reddit dialogues, my last save game is somewhere in act 2.
>>736019587>multi-classnigga please.
>>736011257I would play BG1+2 and skip 3.
>>736011257>3is a waste of time.just replay all the Black Isle Studios games and then weep that we will never get to see games like these anymore. Its like the LOTR trilogy.
>>736020060It doesn't, because Throne of Bhaal ended that plot point pretty decisevely.It's literally "somehow Palpatine returned".
i only played the EE, will try originals soon. should i install any mods or go in raw?
>>736020248enjoy playing on easy or get destroyed on hard
>>736020629multiclass is trash, anon.always was, always will be.
>>736011257>3it was so bad, i wish i could go back and time and tell myself not to play it.
>>736020815they are the most powerful classesfighter-mage-cleric is the only class that can reliably carry you through Insane/Heart of Fury difficulty
>>736021318>fighter-mage>low number of spells, gets them late>is trash at meleewhats the appeal?
>>736021318>>736021370>put on armor>cant cast spells
>>736020629>plays multi-classah, so you play on very-easy, ok.
>>736011257>>736020158Exactly this. I mean, it is a well-done game in many ways, but it sure as hell doesn't feel like a BG game at all.Play 'em, but don't expect them to have ANYTHING to do with BG3, they're completely different games in terms of style, gameplay, and feel. They're connected only in name, and in a few characters they threw in in a ham-fisted attempt to nostalgia bait.
Who are the best companions for BG2? Specifically frontliners. Everyone seems to be multiclassed in strange ways and blow up. Is the Chinese bounty hunter guy meant to melee? Is the Hexxat girl supposed to be able to get in melee?
>>736021694>Play 'em, but don't expect them to have ANYTHING to do with BG3, they're completely different games in terms of style, gameplay, and feel. imo larian should be sued for false advertising. >play bg3>its literally divinity original sinif you told me that bg3 is dos3 i would believe it.
>>736021931keldorn, korgan and mazzy. >give mazzy a sword with haste>she can faceroll the whole game by herself
>>736021370>>736021426>>736021591it sucks in BG2 but it's the best class in IWD, because there's not EXP cap and you get 2x EXP bonus, you can get 30/30/30 level triple class
>>736022035Yeah exactly again. It's literally just Divinity:OS 3. Basically the same gameplay mechanics, similar graphics, similar character behavior, similar vibes, similar visual style... it's 85%+ Divinity, 14% generic DnD, and only 1% BG, and I'm not even exagerating.
>>736014579>These are the RPG games you need to play, and you can pretty much ignore every other RPG ever made.What about Daggerfall, Neverwinter Nights 1 and the countless amazing modules made for the first Neverwinter Nights?
>>736022448>Daggerfalllmao
>>736011257Nah. You don't have to they really just share a setting. Also don't play 1 at all, it's really just kind of shit.
The only cRPGs you ever need to play are Pillars 1 and 2
>>736011257No they have nothing in common and Larian raped old games lore so its better to just ignore bg1/2 or bg3 depending on which one u want to play
>>736023218>No they have nothing in common and Larian raped old games lore so its better to just ignore bg1/2 or bg3 depending on which one u want to playFunny thing is that they got most of the lore direction from jews of the coast, any that got "raped" is raped from above them.
>>736023268Sure think, Tencent shill
>>736021426Entropy Shield, Mirror Image and Stoneskin make you invulnerable
What's the best class for the MC? Probably a wizard or something to nuke shit, right?
>Be me>Trying BG3 because I like DnD combat>Like it>Trying previous games>These are actually party diabloidsWow these games suck.
>>736023538berserker > mage dual class
you should skip balls hurt 3 and playPathfinder: Wrath Of The Righteous
>>736023538Early on wizard is very weak. Low HP (one lucky crit from the enemy can kill you), just one or two spells you can cast a day before you need to rest, need to be constantly protected by others, so you just stay in the back, use sling and rarely cast anything. By the end of the game you become a powerhouse.
>>736023862That sounds awesome though, the whole point of an RPG is to have your character ascend in power like that
>>736023538Bard.
>>736023849>Cuckfinderno thanks
>>736021931I am usually going with Keldorn/Mazzy, Jaheira/Viconia, Minsc, Nalia/Aerie, Imoen/Yoshimo.
>>736023538fighter (berserker) into mage is the minmax build
>>736024820>>736023817why?
>>736023538Wizards don't really nuke shit. They are more efficient as battlefield controllers/disablers, while your fighters do the wetwork. I mean, you CAN develop your mage as a pure nuker, but expect your wipe out your own party as well, because Fireball doesn't discriminate.
>>736015451He's right though, compare vidya "romance" plots with romances in even mid-tier novels and the difference is completely embarassing. A genre as narrative-driven as CRPG doesn't have to lower itself to lowest-common-denominator Japanese VN harem goonslop, it can and should be a lot better than that, it has the potential. Unfortunately vidya writers seem to all be inspired by the absolute worst of everything, like they aren't reading Nabokov but they will devour the most debased, backwards, and worthless derivatives of Nabokov through Japanese loli harem slop instead. The games industry is just drowning in fucking dimwit retards.
>>736011364yeah, the other hundreds of crpgs of that time period
>>736024781Aerie is so cute bwos... I just wish she wasn't multiclassed. I'm to JRPG coded for this.
