>>736012190
>Fucking stealth. Sauron has an airforce.
>They can't. Shit is magical.

>Would be sniped by nazguls, the only reason it worked at the end is because the ring was already destroyed
>Won't stop Sauron's conventional armies, plus ring is half-sentient and wants to be found
>Explicitly said they can't, only dragonfire is an alternative and all the dragons that could do that are dead

>>736012190
Why don't they just forge a more powerful ring?

Why didn't they just put the ring in concrete/molten metal, then wrap it in chains and throw it in the ocean?

>>736012570
They were to give it to Tim Bombadil because he was immune to it. Problem is that Sauron would take over the world while Tim was chilling with his waifu.

>>736012190
Nah nigga. The real questions are:
>Why didn't they just get the infinity moria orcs to climb over the walls at helms deep or minas tirith, since they can walk on ceilings and shit?
>why didn't the good guys get the army of ghosts to fetus deletus Mordor and the nazgul, since the witch kang can't die to living men, but those ghost guys are dead men. Plus they instagibbed that army in pelennor.
>why did the witch kang run away after a single arrow from faramir, when he could have just eaten him and taken the ring at osiliath.

The movies are total slop, and Peter Jackson always fucking sucked because he has the sensibilities of an 8yo kid, who thinks infinity skull avalanches, giant countless pillar chambers with no purpose and absolutely no lighting in moria, sixty mile tall but three inch wide lava bridges further into moria, shield skating, dwarf being a burping and farting retard, dude weed lmao hobbits, wizards having a telekinesis ragdoll fight, dauron being a literal fucking lighthouse instead of a guy with 9 fingers who is partly a spirit, and galadriel being a super scary evil lady and bilbo being a little demon cos of the ring are all examples of what Tolkien was getting at.
It's such a shame cos the music, costuming, sets, and cinematography are all amazing. So much attention to detail wasted on misunderstanding the fuck outta denethor, faramir, frodo, Aragorn, elrond, and literally any character with more than five lines.
Oh, and why was grimace whispering shit to theoden even though he was already magically ancient, and simultaneously also possessed by saruman? And why would anyone trust such a visibly evil guy?
Movies are gay. Books are great.

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Why didn't an elf just go to the undying lands and tell a Valar to come destroy the ring

>>736013160
That's the real plot hole of it all, actually.
It's basically LotR version of Problem of Evil.

>>736013248
It is implied that in the very end, Eru himself knocked Gollum down the abyss of doom

morgoth being able to live in middle earth without wrecking the place is an argument against the valar prime directive

>>736013160
>>736013248
Go to Beleriand and ask the people loving there what happened the last time the Valar got directly involved.

>>736013160
why didnt they just put the ring on the boat?

>>736013678
No. But I will ask Eru was he allowed Morgoth and Sauron and their allies do what they did.
There will be a lot abrahomo copes about free will and such, but they are shit.
Problem with religions that insist on omnipotent deities is always the Problem of Evil (unless they don't claim to be "Good").

Why didn't they just walk into mordor with the ring?

>>736012190
Why didn't the faggots just read the book?

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>>736013101
Don't forget about the awful editing.

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>>736012190
-They're basically demigods
-There's a ancient unnamed thingy thing in the sea that's basically a demigod
-They're basically demigods and would get corrupted by sauron who's basically a demigod

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>>736012190
why don't you actually read the books or watch the movies to find out jackass?

>>736012190
There's actually several really good explanations for why the eagles weren't used. But if the eagles were used and worked, it would be because of the other, more serious plot hole that's at the thematic core of LotR
>Sauron couldn't imagine someone would be willing to destroy his ring
If the eagles were an air force, not a courier for Frodo to drop the ring in Mt Doom, Sauron has winged beasts and anti-air weaponry ready to combat them. But if they were flying to Mt. Doom he wouldn't suspect a thing because in his long life he understood humans and couldn't believe a human would have the willpower to want to destroy the ring.
>>736012561
Saruman tried. He learned ringmaking from extensive research and poured a lot of his divinity into it. But it was way weaker than the One, and probably weaker than the Nine or Seven.
Theoretically, if you knew the ORIGINAL ringcraft of Aule, not the corrupted version Sauron taught that bound all rings to him, you could harness all the existing Maia in Middle Earth (Durin's Bane, Gandalf, Saurman, Blue Wizards, Radagast) into a far more powerful ring than the One.

>>736014756
I never understood how the manlet made Frodo orgasm by hitting a ring with his hammer

>>736014595
That tracks actually. After the Balrog pulled Gandalf down they had an epic fight mid air as they were both falling with Gandalf coming out on top and then was brought back to life stronger simply because his purpose was not fulfilled.

>>736012561
The ring has part of Sauron's essence. He needs the ring to regain it

>just fly over this volcanic hell birb
>what's a little hot air

>>736014907
in fact let me just drop this ring in at insane heights easy

it's like they don't think of obvious stuff

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>>736014756
Notice how Gimbli was the character who was not tempted by the ring and didn't hesitate to try to destroy it. Absolute chad. Knife ears can never.

>>736013935
Because Ea and Arsa were just big experiment. Melkor injected some bullshit into the experiment and Eru allowed it to play out.

>>736013101
>Peter Jackson always fucking sucked

His pre-LOTR work is fucking kino. Excepting Heavenly Creatures.

>>736015007
Dwarves are just stubborn and greedy. They are motivated by pride as well. "I'm sure I can smash a piece of metal just to showcase our Dwarven strength is superior! Hold my ale knife ears!"

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>>736015131
This but unironically. Pre-Holluwood movies are pure and unfiltered fun.

>>736013160
>go to the undying lands
Is it an actual land that you can just sail and go back? I thought it was heaven or somesuch.

>>736012190
People don’t seem to get that Sauron was winning, regardless of whether he had the ring or not. Taking it to Mt. Doom was a last ditch Hail Mary attempt to defeat him. The old alliances were broken, the dwarves hiding in their mountains, the elves were leaving for Valinor, and men were greatly diminished.

>>736015353
It was until god made the earth round and stopped travel between them.

>>736013160
>>736015353
It is essentially a heaven for elves. You can go there but can never come back.

>>736014907
Boromir couldn't handle being in the ring's presence for very long before succumbing to it, you think a bird isn't going to covet that after like ten minutes?
Sauron was right to not even be worried about the ring being destroyed, it just ends up falling into the lava by complete accident because neither of the niggers fighting over it had it in them to actually destroy it on purpose
The big bad guy loses to pure luck

>>736015906
The eagles are semi-divine though aren't they?

>>736015964
Even demigods are not immune to its corruption, and arguably even more susceptible to it

>>736014797
>Saruman tried. He learned ringmaking from extensive research and poured a lot of his divinity into it. But it was way weaker than the One, and probably weaker than the Nine or Seven.
this was a raid in lotro

>>736013406
would that be like the GM going "yeah your party is about to wipe right at the end of the campaign but eeeeeeehh fuck it"

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>>736012190
I miss when we had custom community created content in games

>>736012190
>use the eagles
Would have revealed the plan immediately, Sauron would see them hundreds of miles out and send Nazgul to intercept.
>toss the ring into the ocean
Wouldn’t achieve the goal of destroying Sauron, and the nature of the ring would bring it to the shores.
>forge a powerful weapon in Rivendell using elven/gandalfs magic to smash the ring
Gandalf’s magic is not strong enough to scratch the ring. Elves are less powerful than Gandalf.

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Hey you! Yes (you), you don't happen to have any silmarils on you, now do you?

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>>736016243
>mfw the 128 player warband server where you defend helms deep and minas tirith with other people
Spent like 12 years playing it before it died, nobody plays the warband version

>>736016394
nobody plays the bannerlord version* fuck

The birds would most likely get corrupted by the ring as they drew close to Mt Doom anyway and take it for themselves

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Would the Avatar from the Ultima series be able to carry the ring to Mordor? If you're unfamiliar with Ultima IV, it has a mechanic where you as the Avatar must achieve moral perfection by fully embodying eight virtues (honesty, compassion, valor, justice, sacrifice, honor, spirituality, and humility) through your actions and I wonder if this would be conducive for a ringbearer or secretly a weakness

>Sauron was beating Middle Earth without the ring
>Ring destroyed
>He loses
I don't get it
The one ring is basically a phylactery and Sauron a lich. As long it exists, he can regenerate. if he has it in his physical possession his magic is at full power like in the 1st age.
When the ring was destroyed, you still had to kick Sauron's ass and destroy his physical form. Then he'd die for good.
This is literally what happened with Saruman. He lost all his power and just turned into an ordinary human. When he was killed he became a wraith.

>>736012190
Real question, why did the Saurin release Gollum from Mordor? Why not just kill him?

>>736016773
it's probably more that, because the ring carried his essence, destroying the ring created sort of a feedback loop that fucked up Sauron in turn.
granted, that shouldn't have stopped all of his armies from existing or stop fighting (and I think other materials or even the epilogue of the books elaborate on that)

>>736016757
The Avatar is just some guy. He usually commits a lot of thievery.

But also presumably since the Avatar is from a different world and setting he doesn't share the 'original sin' of the Lord of the Rings setting 'Arda' against Eru Iluvatar, the God of the setting. This 'original sin' being when Melkor who became Morgoth sang discord into the creation of Arda. So he doesn't hold the seed of corruption which the Ring acts on. So who knows.

>>736016930
Because Gollum could track the Ring and would track the Ring and then as soon as he laid a hand on it he would be completely taken by it and would bring it to Sauron. So why not let Gollum go. Maybe he would actually get the thing.

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>>736016207
The story is all about the Hobbits and how the seemingly small and isolated can change the future.

Remeber what Gandalf told to Frodo.:

>Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

and

>My heart tells me that he (Gollum) has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end

So Gandalf is basically the Messiah, he knew what Eru wanted the mortals to do. Elves and dwarves are basically side characters. The main focus is on how the humans (rest of the population in real world Earth) are weak and blinded by their greed, while the hobbits (real world Brits) are earnest and able to change the world.

Frodo was able to do it. He pitied Gollum and did not kill him, according to Gandalf's evangelion. So yes, Eru is basically a schizo god like the one in the Old Testament who saved the mortals from ebil because they played according to his rulebook.

>>736017035
>Eru is basically a schizo god like the one in the Old Testament
anglos LOVE jews and have been controlled by them for a long time, Tolkien was a hack afterall, brainwashed from birth by a talmudic religion and then he went on and build upon this with his goy imagination

>>736016374
Eyo fuck them Noldor.

>>736017103
You're brown!

>>736012190
Man the Fellowship PS2 game was a trip.
Kinda awful and slow paced for the first half, but then actually picks up when you get to play as Aragorn.

>>736017457
lmao fucking nostalgia trip
I think I always kept a savegame for the Amon Hen level because that was Aragorn with all of his stuff

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>>736017105
I take it that's a no?

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>>736012190
>use the eagles
Because the eagles went picrel
>toss the ring into the ocean
Because creatures like The Watcher also lusted for the ring. It would have corrupted one of the nameless things, Sauron would take notice, yadda yadda.
>forge a powerful weapon in Rivendell using elven/gandalfs magic to smash the ring
It's a cop-out, but they specifically state that the ring can not be destroyed by any craft. Only the fires that made it can destroy it.

And lastly, it's a fucking fantasy story, Suspend your disbelief for one second and you may find yourself enjoying things.

shouldn't it have been theoretically possible to craft an item of equal power?
actually scratch that, that's the plot of the Shadow games and we all know how that turned out kek

>>736013160
Because Elrond's dad already did that once.

>>736013101
Didn’t read, still rewatching the extended trilogy sometime this year. And I will enjoy it this time with a slight smirk on my face remembering this post, knowing that somewhere in the world, some fag is enraged about it. When I watch the shield skate scene I’m going to loudly applaud Jackson’s genius while picturing you (in a visually unflattering likeness) punch kicking the air in tears, viciously gesturing to the source material in your hand. I can hardly wait desu.

>>736015353
Originally Valinor was a physical place you could sail to. Then they put it in the sky because they didn't want any stinky humans bothering them anymore. You have to sail into the sky and reach the stars to get to Valinor now. So it's sort of metaphysical, but also still a place.

>>736017894
The One Ring was forged utilizing Mount Doom, which was formed from Morgoth's powers. So no. Other rings of power could have been made, but not one that could corrupt and manipulate other ringbearers, which required Sauron to trick Celebrimbor and the rest of Eregion so that they made their rings with a weakness he could exploit, and then forge another ring using a power of Morgoth in Mount Doom.

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Why didnt the elves just procreate more in the thousands of years Sauron was gone so they could make an army capable of taking over Mordor?

>>736019910
Most elves are gay and the straight ones fuck humans and, according to hobbit movies, dwarves

>>736012190
Elrond literally tells Gimili that they can't destroy the ring by means that they here posses.

>>736019910
Elves only ever have one destined partner forever and it takes far longer to have kids.

Also, everyone was pretty stupid about it. A lot of humans thought that the War of the Last Alliance just ended Sauron for good. A lot of elves just hoped he wouldn't come back before they fucked off to Valinor. The wizards were sent to Middle-Earth to stop Sauron from coming back and fucking everything up but only Gandalf actually bothered to do his job.

guys... what about a catapult?

>>736020375
Classic meme. Not very funny in retrospect, but classic.

>>736012190
The ring is Sauron. While the ring exists Sauron exists and can continue to cause evil shit to happen in the world. Just hiding it forever will prevent Sauron from coming back at full power but even at half power he can and will wipe out the remaining forces of Middle Earth.

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>>736012190
All explained literally at the council of elrond in the book, see: >>736012370
>>736012381

>>736012570
>>736013023
They consider throwing it into the ocean but know the Ring wants to be found and Nazguls don't need to fucking breathe and it's just kicking the can down the road for future generations

The Eagles are brought up but the Eagles don't work for them, Sauron has an airforce, and the Eagles would've been corrupted by Ring mid flight.

They consider literally every other fucking plan, their only gamble is the fact that Hobbits seem to be resistant. The truth is Hobbits aren't 'resistant' persay, it's just that their desires and ambitions are so homely and banal that Sauron can't DO much with them, we see this when the Ring tries to corrupt Sam and all it can come up with is a giant resplendent garden and Sam nosales it with "lol that seems like a lot of work when will I sleep dumb ring"

Hobbit brains are literally just too smooth for Satans Cocksock to get a hold onto. Even then though, we see what happens if they're left alone with it for too long with Gollum and Bilbo, and that was with the ring being 'off' and Sauron dormant.

You niggers need to understand, Tolkien was an autist, he was turbo 'that guy'. He didn't write lord of the rings to be a story, it wrote it because he wanted LORE for his MADE UP INVENTED LANGUAGES he did FOR FUN. This whole fucking autistic story and universe exists to justify his geek hobbies.

>>736020626
>Tolkien was an autist
honestly, realizing that every author of renown was once an idiot like you and me is one hell of a blackpill

>>736012190
>use the eagles
Manwë would never allow it. Case dismissed.

>>736013935
Why does he have to do something about it? His two sons are just having a disagreement about how things should be, he has to side with one now?

>>736020743
I see it as a hopepill. Look at what this fucking autist did. He was a catholic in England. He pulled a wife, survived ww1, wrote books that shaped generations.

We're all gonna make it.

>>736020626
And don't forget that in 'the hobbit' they explicitly state that Sauron had no fucking idea what a hobbit was. So he didn't account for them in the rings.
But I guess /tv/ illegal immigrants have an even lower IQ than the average /v/ poster. Because be honest, this is not a videogame thread.

>>736013406
>>736016207
Its more than that. Frodo cursed Gollum if he would ever steal the ring, then the latter would end. Curses are very very powerful in lotr.

Why is this thread on /v/

>>736016394
I play Bannerlord sometimes, but I play singleplayer.

>>736021020
?

>>736012190
Why didn't they just post about the book and movie series on the book or movie boards?

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>magic eagles could literally just drops magic bombs on attacking orcs
>orcs don't even have AA defensive
>uhm sorry we can't do that because we're not israel

How is Tolkien such a hack?

>>736023130
because the answer to one of OP's questions gets answered in one of the video games that's not available anymore
vidya exclusive content for the vidya exclusive board

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>>736017457
For me, it's this one.
Absolute jank and an obvious FF copy but had so much FUN as a kid

>>736023594
I only remember the elephants at the end

>>736020743
Isnt this a whitepill? Your expectations for humanity are nonsense and pure fantasy.

>>736020914
That too, even the Ents didn't fucking remember them/know what they were and those mfers been around forever

>>736012190
>Use the eagles
Sauron would see them and the Nazgul would attack them, the eagles were only able to beat them when the ring was destroyed and their connection with Sauron was severed, they were extremely weak by that time
>Toss the ring into the ocean
Pretty sure some minion of Sauron could still go get it and if it ever resurfaced, the risk of him finding it was too great to ignore
>Forge a weapon to destroy it
Can't be done, it has to be destroyed where it was created. Saurons spirit was imbued into it making it invulnerable to any man (or elf) made weapon
All of this is explained in the books

If Hobbits are so resistant to the Ring, how did Smeagol get corrupted?

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>whole fucking point was that Sauron never imagined his enemies wouldn't claim the rings power for themselves, gets completely suckered in by Aragorn and Pippin fucking around with the palantir leaving his magma hole completely exposed to sneaky hobbit infiltration
>"uuuuh why didn't they just fly straight there on big obvious fucking eagles to be attacked by flying ring wraiths on respawn CD for months on end and with Sauron's full malevolent focus bent on the ring bearer?"

Why do illiterate morons ask questions explicitly answered in the book?

>>736029583
little nigga held the ring for what, like 500 years?

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>>736012190
OP, you forgot "the" image that goes along with this post style

>>736012190
Eagles couldn't get near Mordor until the Nazgul were destroyed

>>736012190
Read the books and find out

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>>736021006
Words specifically, something that was probably influenced by Kalevala, which has the earliest rap battle known to man, given Tolkien's well-known fondness of Finnish.

>>736012190
OH NO ITS A BALROG FRODO DON'T THROW THE RING AT THE UNGODLY HOT THING THAT PROB WOULD MELT IT LOL

>>736023594
>fight easterlings and elephants on the Pelennor fields
>suddenly teleport on top of Barad-Dûr and punch Sauron in his eye
Absolute lorerape of a game but fun

>>736029583
He was simple minded. Resistant does not mean immune. Even bilbo and frodo start to feel the pull eventually.

>>736030501
>snatches the ring
>dabs on Gandalf

>>736030501
It wouldn't melt the ring.

>>736030384
I wish we could get something like that in vidya form
I can only think of Drakengard 3 or Automata

>>736020626
>lol that seems like a lot of work when will I sleep dumb ring
Sam was too pure for that world

>>736016243
>playing custom helms deep maps in starcraft for years
>they slowly evolve from "barely recognizable as helms deep" to a damn good representation of it
>just because map editing tools got better
was neat. and then of course i played battle for middle earth and badaboom there's your helms deep right there

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w-what are the nameless fucks dwelling under the abyss of khazad-dum?

apparantly even Eru himself cannot (or won't) do anything about them

>>736030874
street fighter mutants

>>736030874
I dunno but I feel like the Silmarillion really narrows things down.

1) Only Eru can create souls/sapience. So everything with a soul/sapience is either an offshoot of ainur/elves/humans + dwarves or faking it.

2) We know the void was empty as shit when Melkor first explored it and became fully corrupted, so I'd assume they're void corrupted Ainur who moved into the basement when Melkor started fucking with Arda. I imagine Ungoliant is similar.

They might not all be bad, Eru could want them for cleanup?

>here's a ring that turns you invisible
doesnt sound too overpowered desu

>>736032038
iirc they handwaved it in the books as "it amplifies the qualities of its wearer", and since the hobbits were pretty good at evading people that's what Frodo got
the movies just turned it into the default skill I guess

>>736032038
it doesn't make you invisible, it draws you into the spirit realm that the valar, maya and other things are more in tune with

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>>736012190
I love this game so much, man

>>736032209
it turns you into a wraith/lets you walk in the wraith world, with invisibility to not-wraiths being a side effect

>>736012190
Fellbeasts and Sauron would see them coming from miles away
The ring will find its way back like how it did when it was found by Smeagol underwater.
Gandalf is weaker than Sauron and so are all elves so they cant destroy it

Now kill yourself.

>>736012190
Because the eagles could also get possessed and also they didn't really follow anyone's orders, including Gandalf. They did him a solid but had no reason to actually help, let alone carry the fucking ring to the volcano
Because people can just swim and grab it?
Because it wouldn't have worked as stated multiple fucking times
God you niggers are retarded

a fucking dude could snipe Smaug out of the air
and niggas wonder what a bunch of birds were gonna help

>>736032536
>turns you invisible except to people that want to kill you
Man what a shitty power i'd rather have a sword.

>>736032717
I'm a comiclet but afaik there's a guy who can switch dimensions like that, giving him the appearance of teleporting from place to place - then one time they manage to trap one of his enemies in that space and then everytime he wants to teleport he gets chased around by the dude kek

>>736029912
Plus he was already evil from the start:
>Deagol found something shiny, let me kill him and steal it.

>>736017457
Not sure if it's identical to the PC version, but I honestly prefer the first half were you are playing as a hobbit sneaking around the shire.

>>736032321
The PS2 Nazgul were fucking terrifying. I love the darkness around them, seeing it approach you at high speed around the corner. Reminds me of Ungoliant and her "unlight", her darkness being more than a mere absence of light.

>>736023594
It's good, but I must admit I prefer the GBA version.

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>>736016175
Lotro was so fucking kino, especially angmar
>hillmen auxiliaries throughout the zone, quests to help them resist angmar
>rank and file Angmarim can summon evil spirits, sorcerors can turn dead allies into spirits
>giant brimstone swamp staffed with evil paralysis statues and giant turtles
>intentionally flooded mass graveyard with sewer affluence so the necromancers can summon more spirits
>massive sorceror citadel guarding the north against giants, also receives tributes from slaves in 9 different towers
>sexy bat-women vampires that survived Beleriand
>the bitch king has his own pet Watcher in the sewers and his own palantir
And theres tons i havent mentioned like the quest to retrieve ancient hillmen swords and learn their lore or the rift etc

>>736015210
Looks like they didn't miss boromir though

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>>736032930
The Barrow Downs as well. The sounds those wights(?) make freaked me out for a long time.
The PS2 has a lot of games that weren't horror games, but had surprisingly scary sections. Idk how much of that is because we were kids though

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>>736030707
>We only get that in Drakengard 3 and Automata
>Just letters appearing before super speshul magic attacks
Nigga really?
I'll sound like a fag but i think Look Outside nailed it.
You can passively alter reality to some extent (due to a supernatural influence), and words put different or new ideas in your end that can affect how you unconciously alter reality for or around yourself.
Pic related unity ending but also other stuff like a character "convincing" your body to unravel before your eyes start to walk out of your socket, or npcs thinking they got a tooth disease that ends up really manifesting on themselves and their house.

>>736033625
I was thinking more about music and gameplay working together
if I just wanted to be able to change reality via words I'd be playing scribblenauts

>>736017035
>the Messiah
And a Moses reference but not an allegorical Moses

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>>736017824
>Suspend your disbelief for one second and you may find yourself enjoying things.

>>736017894
you also gotta understand that Sauron was an autismus maximus level craftsman that would put every dwarf and elf combined to a shame aside from maybe Feanor (and good luck getting him to do anything other than seethe impotently in the halls)
in addition to also being an angel who sacrificed a lot of his divine essence to put it into the one ring

And then remember that third age magic is in decline, it would have been flat out impossible to create anything equal to the 9 at that point let alone the one ring

>>736020626
>Tolkien was an autist, he was turbo 'that guy'
Not only "that guy" he was /ourguy/

>>736015364
>the dwarves hiding in their mountains
I thought they were well dead? They went to Moira and it was a ghost town for decades.

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>>736034067
>you also gotta understand that Sauron was an autismus maximus level craftsman that would put every dwarf and elf combined to a shame
nigga should have opened a workshop and live an honest life

>>736034120
>They went to Moira
god damn it I spat out my drink lol

>>736034120
Moria isn't the only place that dwarves exist. There is a whole book about dwarves trying to take back their home from a dragon.

>>736034175
yes that's literally the entire tragedy of Sauron
if he had been content to simply craft for the sake of crafting, and teach others rather than dominate them, Sauron would have been one of the greatest forces of good, a revered patron of smiths and artisans and most importantly, he would have been happy

but he let himself get corrupted by Morgoth, he allowed his desire for order and control grow to dominate everything else about him and he became a tyrant

And unlike Morgoth, there was a moment where Sauron's redemption was possible, at the end of the first age he could have turned to back to the Valar, atoned for his sins, but he was afraid, afraid of being judged, afraid of having to acknowledge how much evil he inflicted and how far he'd have to go to be redeemed and instead he doubled down

and the end result is now that he spends eternity as a powerless shadow who can only ever observe the world, never change it, never interact with it
And for some people, that would not be the worst of fates, after all he can go anywhere, see anything, all the wonders of the world are open for him, but for someone that much a control freak, it's the worst possible torture, and it's all self-inflicted

Why didn't they just keep cutting it off someone's hand so it made a nuclear explosion like in the movie.

For a world were magic is not overtly seen why do so many games from this IP always shoehorn flashy magic effects into skills and abilities? I think the Gameboy game was the only one that didn't. Maybe that Lego one.

>>736034820
because it's kinda hard to convey LotR magic without text form
even the movies get it wrong, like how they changed Gandalf's "you cannot pass" to "you shall not pass"
subtle difference but the former is an actual magical incantation, Gandalf doesn't give the Balrog a warning, he simply states a fact and the magic is that this fact is enforced on the world

The Balrog challenges what is by now reality (he cannot pass) and as a result of him challenging a fact, reality exerts itself by collapsing the bridge to uphold the fact that he "cannot pass"

You shall not pass is a lot more cinematic to yell though

>>736034820
they started doing this with Star Wars as well and I hate it

>>736034820
The Fellowship game has pretty muted magic effects. Only Gandalf has them, ofc, and it's just the basic lightning, fire and staff shockwave stuff. And the effects themselves aren't particularly flashy.

>>736034820
In fairness, the wizards actually did do flashy magic. Gandalf wielded fire and lightning and spoke words of power with the strength to rend stone. And Saruman could influence minds directly and appear however he wished.

I think I recall Narsil flashed in fire when it split an orc head as well. And there were other weapons that glowed. So it's not as though there was nothing flashy at all.

>>736035223
but they're not common and you don't go to the local Magic Guild to be told the Legalistic Magic Rules because Magic is just a heckin science you chud

>>736035084
Give me a break. Star Wars was always flashy. Lasers and lightsabres from day 1, my man. They just kept adding shit like 'actually The Force can also do this, and this and this and this and make your eyes glow and make ghosts and make you fly and and shoot flaming cum from your nipples and whatever the fuck else'.

>>736035223
to be fair, the only reason Gandalf even has control over fire is because he's the wield of the elven ring of Fire, none of that is really him

His biggest magic so to speak is his ability to inspire good men into action, and that's what ultimate wins the war

>>736035000
He actually does say "you cannot pass" in the movie, just not the time you're thinking of. It's the first thing he says to the Balrog.
And I agree.

>>736035427
Well, maybe. But that's not necessarily the case as he's the 'wielder of the flame of Anor'. So maybe he channels the power of stars. Who knows. Maiar magic.

>>736035441
I do get the feeling that the repetition of the same phrase was important, in mythology repeating a magical phrase often reinforces it, but yeh you're right

Also correct me if I'm wrong but the movie goes a bit the opposite direction with Aragorn no, not making it as clear that he has magic of his own, not on the level of Gandalf or even most elves to be sure, but him being the rightful king gives him a level of authority that supersedes the mundane in a lot of cases, same with him being able to coax healing herbs into being a lot more effective than they should be

>>736035360
Sorry i meant from a purely visual point
the force used to be just THERE, it had basically no visual presence on screen (exceot lightning because it's fucking electricity shooting out of your hands). They usually used audio cues and camera tricks to imply its presence. Video games used actual graphical effects for gameplay purposes I'd assume but it's gotten a lot dumber over the years.

>>736035000
The entire bridge shatters alongside his staff when he hits the bridge with it.
It is some Chad levels of power that is not usually seen in things like videogames
>Do super powerful attack but your weapon is destroyed and potentially you if you are not careful.

>>736035819
it isn't even that bad in most modern star wars games honestly
usually the most they do is give a bit visual distortion to show telekinesis is being used, nothing outright flashy

>>736035806
To be fair, if memory serves, the magic Aragorn showcases is more like suddenly his companions realizing just how regal and respectable he looks and feels, like looking at him at a certain angle he looks like a king of old etc. and I think they did a good enough job depicting that in the movies. Anything more overt than that could run into cheesy territory for a film. One of the many advantages books has as a medium over movies, reading characters thoughts and the narrator ofc.
I should re-read the books though. It has been over a decade

>>736036145
thing is though that's explicitly not what happens in the book, Gandalf doesn't make the bridge fall, the bridge falls because the Balrog tries to cross it despite it being impossible for him to cross since Gandalf decreed as such

it's a different approach to power, and honestly one that's more fundamental, if a lot less flash
take for example Gandalf talking to Saruman, he just states matter of fact that Saruman's staff is broken, and his staff reveals itself to be broken

Also why the whole extended scene with the Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff is stupid and rightfully excluded from the regular cut of the movie
Because the Witch King here is almost comically outmatched, Gandalf states he cannot enter and the Witch King can do nothing but seethe impotently against this reality, he's no Balrog and Gandalf the White is no Gandalf the Grey

The movie makes it seem like they're equals and the Witch King has a momentary victory when what actually happened there being the equivalent of a kid throwing a temper tantrum and his dad/teacher giving him a glare at which point he goes "...I'm sorry"

>>736036246
the most clearly magical moment Aragorn has is one that happens off screen interestingly enough
He looked into the Palantir, and forced it to show what he wanted it to show him, rather than what Sauron wanted the Palantir to show him
And he could do that because he was the rightful owner of the Palantir, because he was the king returned to claim his birthright and that exerted itself in a form of magic causing in that moment, for that specific purpose, Aragorn's will to supersede Sauron's

Which in turn fucked with Sauron so much he genuinely believed Aragorn had claimed the One Ring because in showcasing his royal authority so blatantly here, Sauron became well aware that Aragorn had what it took to claim the One Ring and actively challenge his rule

>>736014831
the ring is directly connected to Frodo's and Sauron's prostates. That's why they keep rubbing and grasping it all the time

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>>736037993
the horse has it!

>thought stronk independent galadriel was bottom of the barrel
>petey j brings on stephen colbert of all people to write the script of a sequel to lotr
you can power the entire uk with the force generated from tolkein spinning in his grave.

>>736042051
>Ladies and Gentlemen, The Vax-Scene

>>736042051
stephen colbert actually is a giga tolkien fan so it'll be better than RoP

also it's not a sequel, it's basically the hobbits reminiscing about the section of their journey the movie didn't cover or didn't cover properly (fleeing the Shire up until the Barrow Wights)

>>736012381
Why didnt nazguls snipe it when it was sitting at the bottom of a stream?
Seems like nazguls only know where the ring is when its close by or being actively used.

>>736042429
>it'll be better than RoP
>>736042353

>>736042460
because nobody was wielding/carrying the ring, Sauron was way weaker and it wasn't literally in Mordor

>>736042429
I don't trust Colbert to be able to resist inserting his own ideals and politics into it.

>>736012381
>>Explicitly said they can't, only dragonfire is an alternative and all the dragons that could do that are dead
That is said for the lesser and elven rings of power. Gandalf explicitly says that not even Ancalagon the Black's fire would be hot enough for The One

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Is Lord of the Rings considered "High Fantasy" anymore?
Honestly to me it almost seems to be something in between high and low fantasy. Modern high fantasy has jumped the shark really bad.

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>>736034508
One of the neat things about Sauron is that he didn't actually hate the world, he was just SO FUCKING AUTISTIC he saw everything about the natural order as being inefficient. He literally wanted to turn the entire world into a perfectly ordered land dotted with little machines because he just finds the natural order too chaotic. He literally thought he was doing the right thing and that everyone else was just retarded.

Melkor in contrast actually hated the world out of pure fucking spite that he couldn't create things out of nothing like Illuvitar could. Tolkien actually wrote about it in a letter of his. He said that if Sauron had won the world would have turned into a totally bleak and ordered hellscape where natural beauty was hard to find, but Sauron would slowly drive himself mad because true perfect order like that is actually impossible. If Melkor had won he says he would have gone into an endless cycle of trying to destroy the world only to gradually be driven more and more mad as his attempts at destruction only created new things out of the chaos.

Basically Melkor is a kid in a sandbox getting mad that he can't use all the sand for himself and kicking down everyone else's sand castles, while Sauron is a train autist that thinks all the kids should also play with trains and gets really pissy about it.

>>736044159
also something interesting Tolkien wrote
that Gandalf claiming the one ring would have been even worse than Sauron reclaiming it
Because while Sauron at least would have been obviously evil and forced his bleak ordered evil on the world, Gandalf would have twisted everything that was good into a parody of itself, his fall and resulting evil replacing everything that was good with something evil, every virtue turned into a vice

>>736042460
Saucony and the nazgul can only see its exact location when someone wears it.

See: the most epic shot of the trilogy when Frodo first puts on the ring and you see Sauron warp in front of him from the distance.

>>736042460
There's a pretty strong implication in both the books and movies that Sauron being dormant basically made everything enthralled to him dormant too. That's why Gollum and Bilbo can just fuck around with the Ring for a cumulative 600-ish years without any worries, while if Frodo puts on the Ring he sees Sauron and the Nazgul instantly know where he is. Also what >>736044338 said.

>>736044159
Or to put it in even more familiar terms. Melkor is a scat spammer, Sauron is a janny.

>>736013101
>doesn't like infinity skull avalanches or dude weed lmao Hobbits
Unironically filtered. Funny commentary though.

>>736044593
to be fair one of the reasons Bilbo can fuck around with the one ring is because he did something even more impressive than Sam

literally the first thing he does while actively wearing the one ring is to show mercy to Gollum
an act of altruism so utterly antithetical to everything the ring stands for it was at a complete loss how to handle him for the longest time

>>736044593
filmtard.

>>736042051
>TWO TOWERS???

>>736044824
Bilbo also gave up the ring even after having and using it for many years. Something probably noone else in the history of the world could have done.

>>736045750
>Something probably noone else in the history of the world could have done.
Isildur was on his way to Elrond to do just that when he was ambushed

>>736046162
there's no guarantee that in the moment he would have been capable of doing it, no matter how much he planned to do so

>>736046242
Of course. But I think the implication is clear that he would have, which makes it all the more tragic that he was killed. It's also probably why the ring slipped from his finger, sensing that this wasn't going to work.

>>736046162
He had it for a handful of years and he was writing shit about how precious it was to him. The chances of him actually handing it over to Elrond seem pretty slim.

>>736046479
And yet, uniquely to Isildur, the more time went by as he kept the ring the more clear it became to him that he had not the strength to master it. It's the exact opposite effect it has on the other ringbearers. The more time passes, the more deluded they become.

>>736030501
Giving the ring to the random Balrog that massacred the dwarves might be an even worse idea than flat out giving it to Sauron.

>>736012190
>>use the eagles
Mordor has anti-air defenses and would see them coming from a mile away.
>>toss the ring into the ocean
Wouldn't change anything. Sauron is already winning. Destroying the ring kills him, but hiding it only means he wins slower.

And some underwater creature could get it, be corrupted and he'd get it back anyway.
>>forge a powerful weapon in Rivendell using elven/gandalfs magic to smash the ring
Genuinely not possible. Sauron is a top of the line magical craftsman and built the ring with the R&D of a bunch of other magical craftsmen. They don't have anyone that can even get on his level.

Addressing other ideas:
>take the ring to Valinor
You can't go back once you go to Valinor, and the Valar do not interfere in mortal affairs anymore.
>use a dragon
All dragons potent enough are dead, and they're not even sure Glaunrung or Ancalagon, some of the most potent dragons of all time, would be up to the task. And you try to get a dragon to destroy the shiny magical artifact for you.
>give it to Tom Bombadil
Tom would drop it or forget it, and even if he didn't, see the ocean option. Stalling Sauron just means he wins slower.
>>736013101
>>Why didn't they just get the infinity moria orcs to climb over the walls at helms deep or minas tirith, since they can walk on ceilings and shit?
Why would orcs help?
>>why didn't the good guys get the army of ghosts to fetus deletus Mordor and the nazgul, since the witch kang can't die to living men, but those ghost guys are dead men. Plus they instagibbed that army in pelennor.
Sauron has a bigger army and is literally called The Necromancer. Why would he not have dead men?

Also, Sauron is not a man but a Maia, so he should be able to destroy them, or bring Shelob, who as a spawn of Ungoliant is neither a man or a Man to kill them.
>>why did the witch kang run away after a single arrow from faramir, when he could have just eaten him and taken the ring at osiliath.
Because he didn't have the ring then?

>>736030501
Anon, the fire of Ancalagon, the single strongest dragon of all time, whose bulk blotted out the sky, was explicitly not going to be able to melt the Ring. Why would some random fallen Maia be able to? Sauron is THE craftsman. He was the single best Maia craftsman of all time. Only Aulë and Feanor could top him. His shit was GOOD.

Hell, why would it? It'd love to keep the Ring for itself.

throw the ring down moria to the nameless things
or give it to shelob to eat

>>736013101
>>736046881
Don't forget that in the books the ghosts don't act like the movies at all. Aragorn just uses them to freak out the Corsairs so much they literally commit suicide, then he lets them go. In the books it's actually a small band of men Aragorn meets up with who then guide those boats to the Battle of Pelenor Fields, and their introduction to the battle serves as the final front that makes the forces of Mordor finally collapse.

>>736047014
it's still funny to realize the entire existence of Ancalagon was spending centuries being carefully tended to by Morgoth, released and then spending the last 24h of his life getting clowned on by Earendil

What everyone forgets is that Sauron just flat out has a better army then all of them combined, and his army is getting even bigger as time passes. In raw martial ability they are simply overpowered, so hiding or throwing the Ring somewhere he can't reach just means they're actively giving up any hope of winning.

The only real plans are master or destroy the Ring. No other options are avaliable.

>>736047073
that doesn't solve the problem, it just gives the power of the Ring to another evil fucker. congrats asshole now we have Shelob the Dark Lady to deal with in ADDITION to Sauron, and Shelob and Sauron have history together so we're getting doubleteamed first before they start to feud

>>736047014
>Only Aulë and Feanor could top him
Kinky. But I'd argue Feanor and Sauron would be a bit of a toss-up in terms of craftsmanship, with a slight edge in Saurons favor. Sauron was a Maia serving directly under Aule, while Feanor was """"just"""" an elf who studied under a smith who in turn learned from Aule directly.

>>736047179
This, basically every victory we see in the series is a Pyrrhic victory. The casualties sustained in them are way too high to reasonably replace compared to the rate at which Sauron's forces are growing. The Ring literally has to be destroyed, or else Sauron wins even if he never touches it.

>>736047179
>What everyone forgets is that Sauron just flat out has a better army then all of them combined
Fact is that he didn't. If all the free races united against Sauron he wouldn't've had a chance. But the point is that they wouldn't unite. They'd all fight for themselves and some of them would even join Sauron. That was his strength.

>>736012190
>>use the eagles
What are the eagles supposed to do? Go on a bombing run and plop the ring into the mountain? What if Sauron built a structure over the opening?

>>736047447
No, they literally say this out loud. They don't have the power to beat Sauron anymore. All the best of the elven and human kingdoms rallied to beat him together last time and they only barely did it, suffering horrendous casualties and losing Gil-Galad and Elendil.
>Never again shall there be any
such league of Elves and Men; for Men multiply and the
Firstborn decrease, and
ever since that day the race of Nu´menor has decayed, and
the span of their years has lessened.
Nowadays, both Gondor, the elves and the dwarves are but a shadow of their former selves. They simply don't have the forces.

>>736047446
>>736049578
Desu the Third Age is basically just one long slow decline after the Second Age, at the time of the books pretty much every realm that isn't the Shire is the weakest it's ever been. There were two giga devastating plagues that hit mixed in with intermittent warfare that gradually pushed the populations of Middle Earth into steady decline.

>>736049739
Galadriel refers to the elves specifically when she says it, but it applies to everyone when she calls it "the long defeat".

>>736049578
hell after the battle of Pelennor fields the shadow that hangs over them is the fact that despite their victory in the moment, they have lost far too many men to even think about trying a second defense like that while Sauron is still keeping the bulk of his forces in reserve, the only real loss he suffered that day is the Witch King

>>736044286
The ring would also have chosen Gandalf over Sauron had Gandalf the White actually pursued it, and permanently severed its connection to Sauron.
Sauron at his peak was stronger than Melkor at his weakest, a Maia on the same scale as a Valar. Demon King Gandalf would be even mightier

>>736049884
>The Stones of Seeing do not lie, and not even the Lord of Barad-dûr can make them do so. He can, maybe, by his will choose what things shall be seen by weaker minds, or cause them to mistake the meaning of what they see.
>Nonetheless, it cannot be doubted that when Denethor saw great forces arrayed against him in Mordor, and more still being gathered, he saw that which truly is. Hardly has our strength sufficed to beat off the first great assault. The next will be greater. This war then is without final hope, as Denethor perceived.
>Victory cannot be achieved by arms, whether you sit here to endure siege after siege, or march out to be overwhelmed beyond the River. You have only a choice of evils; and prudence would counsel you to strengthen such strong places as you have, and there await the onset; for so shall the time before your end be made a little longer.’
>‘Then you would have us retreat to Minas Tirith, or Dol Amroth, or to Dunharrow, and there sit like children on sand-castles when the tide is flowing?’ said Imrahil. ‘That would be no new counsel,’ said Gandalf. ‘Have you not done this and little more in all the days of Denethor? But no! I said this would be prudent. I do not counsel prudence. I said victory could not be achieved by arms. I still hope for victory, but not by arms. For into the midst of all these policies comes the Ring of Power, the foundation of Barad-dûr, and the hope of Sauron.'
Gandalf literally says it. If Frodo doesn't destroy the Ring they'll all die. All they can do is focus all of Sauron's power on themselves and hope that helps Frodo get to his destination.

>>736050402
the interesting thing about evil Gandalf is that he likely would have never seen himself as evil
continuing his "role" to inspire men into action, just increasingly more authoritarian in doing so, going to outright mind control to create the perfect harmony between races, to raise the perfect heroes, all the while constantly believing Sauron was going to return or a greater evil was to rise

and the fact there were so many villains trying to overthrow him would have just been more proof of that, after all any who stand against him must be evil right?

Meanwhile the common people suffer endlessly forced to prepare for a war that will never come

>>736047014
> Why would some random fallen Maia be able to?
Maia are stronger than dragons. They were created by Illuvitar aka God. Dragons were created by Morgoth by twisting other existing creatures into them.
Gandalf defeating the Balrog is something of a miracle in itself. Balrogs were the first Maia to defect to Melkor so they were among the strongest of the Maia. The wizards including Gandalf, while formidable, were not s powerful as the ones who entered Middle Earth later.
Gandalf beating Durin's Bane was so spectacular Illuvatar brought him back from the dead. Only 3 people in Middle Earth history were so honored, Glorfindel, Gandalf and Jesus

>>736050417
it's also displayed in the way the battle happened
Sauron had a whole ass army to spare JUST to cover his rear just in case Rohan actually managed to assemble an army
in addition he could afford to keep the pirates at the mouth of the river to safeguard that approach and he actually kept the Haradrim in reserve to only deploy them in the unlikely circumstance Minas Tirith got reinforcements from an angle he didn't cover

Sauron's assault was well planned and by any reasonable evaluation he by all rights should have won there, it took several cases of pretty much divine intervention just to deliver the races of men that victory

and even then it's only a temporary relief

>>736050694
Maia, nevermind Balrogs, aren't stronger then Ancalagon. When Ancalagon was deployed he singlehandedly turned the tide and was overpowering out all the Free Peoples and much of Valinor's forces. Meanwhile, a single powerful elf like Glorfindel could score a mutual kill vs. Gothmog, the strongest of the Balrogs, and during that same fight he had already deployed the Balrogs and it hadn't even slowed his enemies down.

Ancalagon was more then a simple dragon. He was Melkor's ultimate superweapon. He was built different, and Melkor is known to poured some of his personal power onto his minions (which is why he got weaker and weaker as a personal combatant as time went on). So we can assume he wasn't just some lizard Melkor bred or mutated, he had personal investment of Vala power in him.

>>736051023
I mean, Earendil was not a Maia and he managed to stand his ground and eventually slay Ancalagon

Course Feanor also took down several Balrog and Fingolfin actively managed to give Morgoth a permanent limp

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>Allegedly a board for videogames
>Lord of the Rings thread uses a Lord of the Rings games cover in the OP
>Instead of talking about the games the thread revolves around healthy discussion about the LotR universe
Why does this always happen? On all boards when there's a real LotR thread, /tv/ for example. Not that I'm complaining, they are usually the best threads in the catalog at the time, it's just curious.

>>736047329
Not exactly because they're different sorts of evil thing, plus they might destroy it. Shelob without knowing.

>>736051168
/v/ is simply the best board for autistic lore discussion
You really think you'd get anything of substance from the farthuffers over in /lit/
I could start a topic on something that has never even had any kind of video game adaptation and probably get better and more varied opinions than on its proper board

>>736051116
>Fingolfin actively managed to give Morgoth a permanent limp
Morgoth was weak by then. At his strongest as Melkor when he first entered Middle Earth, Manwe and the other Vala were afraid to to fight him. But Melkor blew his load so hard he had weakened considerably. By the time of the teamup with Ungoliant all the Vala could have bested him easily if they ganged up on him.

>>736051168
LOTR is one of the old topics that just universally generates positive discussion. There are other examples but most of them are escaping me right now. Until the early 2010s Freddie Mercury threads were common on various boards, then he blew up as a meme on Reddit and they died out.

>>736051168
/v/ loves discussing things that aren't videogames
there was a stealth /an/ thread that hit the bump limit

>>736030750
He is literally the coolest guy. He's hard to not love

>>736012190
>Used the Eagles
Nazgul
>Ocean
The Ring would come back
>Forge a weapon
The Ring is inherently magical and divine. Forging a weapon to combat it is virtually impossible, and even if it was that new weapon would be an even bigger problem.
Funnily enough the Shadow games kinda go the direction of the last point, as the new Ring makes Celebrimbor just as bad as Sauron.

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>>736052289
Friendly reminder that Sam is literally the only member of the Fellowship that isn't some member of a crazy bloodline or nobility (or lesser god in Gandalf's case). He's literally just some guy that's utterly loyal and can still see good in even the worst situations.

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>>736016243
Man, Age of Chivalry Helm's Deep was absolute peak.
Take me back, please.

>>736017457
Honestly The Shire up until Bree is my favorite part of the whole game. The atmosphere and OST is so great. And the whole Moria section is right up there. Probably my favorite depiction of Moria ever.

>>736020429
>Not very funny in retrospect, but classic.
Man, I binged old youtube videos the other day. GMod Idiot Box for example... Doesn't exactly hold up too well.

>>736029583
Tolkien makes a point of the fact that the manner in which you first claim the ring sets the tone for your possession of it. Smeagol killed Deagol for it, and was fucked rapidly (also he possessed the ring a LONG time). Bilbo won it, and pitied Gollum and spared him, so it worked much slower on him.

>>736053032
Sick. I have a bunch still somewhere as well. Coolest among them being Treebeard and the cave troll. I have Saruman as well, but yours looks quite different.

>>736052450
Just wants to plap his lady. Simple man.

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Something I've always wondered about and never got a satisfactory answer to:
>Does the ring boost Sauron's power? As in more than before he poured much of himself into it?
>If someone like Gandalf or Saruman, or whoever, properly claims it, do they inherit that power Sauron poured into it?
>If yes, doesn't that mean that, despite being Maia themselves, that Sauron is inherently more powerful than them since even if he loses the ring to them it would be a near run thing between them?

>>736012190
Just use the ring
>hurr durr you'd get corrupted
No I wouldn't

>>736053032
The gimli and uruk hai are kino

>>736014837
he leveled up at the end of the battle and thus revived with 1 hp

>>736012190
the eagles can be corrupted as well. not only that but there are flying beasts that can intercept them.

other beasts in the ocean can be corrupted by the ring, and would eventually find its way back to the surface.

the rings are all bound to the one ring and they are insufficient in being able to destroy the one ring. and none of their powers even combined can destroy the ring.

>>736054342
The Ring is like an investment. Sauron poured power onto it but in exchange it anchors him. He essentially can't die as long as it exists; he can be dispersed once, twice, thrice by the force of arms, but as long as the Ring remains he won't fall, and neither will any of his works; the structures of Mordor for one resisted and survived. It essentially sets a minimum health total for him and all his works that he can't go below, no matter what. So his armies and forces can essentially never decay or decline like the elves and humans did; when he reforms, he can go back to Mordor and be exactly as strong as he was in the day that he died with little issue.

>>736052450
He didn't carry the ring as long as anyone else, it makes it easy to hand over. Just as other people do with the ring. Frodo originally wanted to give it to gandalf. Sam is over glazed due to the films horrible character assassination of Frodo, among others like Gimli and Denthor

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>>736012190
nah retards
why didnt the dwarves just dig secretly under mount doom and get to the magical lava that way?
they even lived relatively nearby

>>736054342
>>Does the ring boost Sauron's power? As in more than before he poured much of himself into it?
Yes, that's the general implication. On its own it's still a magical power-boosting object, his soul is just the power source.
>>If someone like Gandalf or Saruman, or whoever, properly claims it, do they inherit that power Sauron poured into it?
Not really so much as they inherit the power the Ring grants. I guess the best way to describe it is that Sauron's soul is the gasoline powering the Ring.
>>If yes, doesn't that mean that, despite being Maia themselves, that Sauron is inherently more powerful than them since even if he loses the ring to them it would be a near run thing between them?
Sauron is generally regarded as being the most powerful of the Maia with or without the Ring. WITH the Ring I'm pretty sure Tolkien confirmed Gandalf the White would actually be more powerful though.

>>736054848
the dwarves that were still alive were fighting in the north.

>>736012190
eagles > they get shot down flying the long way
ocean > they fear anyone/anything could pick it up and make it worse
forging > it's been explained no weapon can be strong enough to destroy the ring. Gandalf is not allowed to use his full power

>>736054848
They were busy fighting and "relatively nearby" is like 500 miles, plus however many miles they'd have to dig underground. They'd probably get caught before they even got a quarter way to Mount Doom.

>>736013101
THIS is what a redditor looks like.

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>>736054848
>they even lived relatively nearby
What?

LOTR game power ranking:
>High tier
The Third Age
The Two Towers
The Return of the King
LEGO Lord of the Rings

>Decent tier
Fellowship of the Ring
The Hobbit
LEGO The Hobbit
Shadow of Mordor/War
War in the North

>Shit tier
Gollum
Aragorn's Quest

>Haven't played
Online
Moria dwarf co-op game

>>736013101
I can't take a post that shortens the word "because" seriously at all, let alone one that shortens it to fucking "cos". Do you seriously say it as "kohss" in real life? The fuck?

>>736055192
>>736055483
>>736055559
listen here
dwarves werent sissy faggots like your three
they could easily hotgate the orcs for 100 years with like 10 guys as the others dug
what faggotry

>>736055613
Forgot to add Battle for Middle Earth into High tier and LOTR: Conquest into decent tier

>>736055653
They got assraped in Moria by unorganized goblins anon.

>>736055770
i dare you to post your hideous goblin nose

>>736015882
tell that to Beren and Luthien kekmao

>>736055806
I'm an elf retard, Dwarves suck at war like the short midgets they are. TA 1980 best year of my life.

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>>736055994
NEVER TRUST AN ELF!!!!!
ISHKHAQWI AI DURUGNU!!!

>>736012190
Elves could have brought the ring with them going west.
The west is so safe that God himself materialised and drowned an army of ships once when they tried to go west without permission.

>>736055559
good he was into linguistics because his mappings sucks even though he was in wars. All of south gondor is a desert. Do they have ships on the coast to look at harad. no forest? no mountain? nothing? nada. hack.

>>736020743
Autism is required for a super high intelligence. Autism isn't stupidity, it's just more autism genes decrease intelligence than increase it.

the Age of Man seems to only be allowed to exist at the genocide of Orcs. Why don't Orcs get an age or did they already have one? Orcs seemed to make up far greater numbers than any other species. Why are the violent minorities the "good guys"?

>>736052118
>there was a stealth /an/ thread that hit the bump limit
Oh zoomer newfag, say it ain't so!

>>736056464
I mean this was a thing that Tolkien was himself unsatisfied with. For plot purposes Orcs were just commanded by evil powers and unable to live without that, but that doesn't really jive well with his Christian morals believing everyone has a chance of redemption; if Sauron and Melkor got their own, why not the orcs? If he had time to write more Lord of the Rings he might have followed with something on them but he died.

>>736012190
>use the eagles to go to mount doom
Even if Sauron probably expects someone to try and keep the ring for themself he has the Nazgûl to guard Mordor just in case, and would show up personally if he knew the ring were at hand in mordor. Any flashy or large scale ingress would not work.

>toss the ring into the ocean
Sauron will almost certainly win the war even without the ring and would likely eventually get it back anyway. Could also fall into the grasp of some lingering horror from an earlier age

>give it to someone powerful
They would either be too weak to resist Sauron, or by subverting the power of the ring to usurp Sauron would be come a tyrant themselves. The power of the ring represents a desire for cruel domination over others and to truly harnesses it requires embracing it.

>get a dragon to destroy it
Even if it was possible at all, none of the required caliber are left and you would risk it falling onto the dragon's control.

>create something to destroy or counter the ring
The nature of the age is that everything is in decline to a lower state. It is likely not possible for anyone left in middle earth to create something new that rivals a marvel from a prior age. Even it it were possible it would take too much time.

>give it to Tom Bombadil
Bombadil's innocence that prevents him from being possessed also prevents him from desiring the ring enough to reliably keep it. He would also probably be unable to hold it against direct force.

>take the ring to Valinor
The ring's power is likely bound to Arda and cannot leave it. I am not sure that would be allowed by the Valar anyways.

Sauron will not go away until the ring is destroyed and the rings continued existence in and of itself may be a threat to middle earth. If they don't destroy the ring the most optimistic outcome would be endless war and the likely outcome is defeat. The only thing left in middle earth that can destroy ring is the rings inherent weakness to the fires of mount doom.

>>736046881
Just a pick, but Shelob didn't belong to Sauron, or anybody really. Just kinda tolerated her being there because doing what ungoliant-spawn do, resulted in an excellent guard dog, with the only needed maintenance being sending some orcs into her tunnels now and again.
Maybe at full power he could've forced her to stop being NEET and come outside to put some work in, but not otherwise.

>>736058603
>Bombadil
Yeah, Gandalf stated outright that it would've been dumb, and he just would've dropped it somewhere since it's not the sort of thing he has any thought for. Also that although he'd probably be the very last one to go down, if everything else went, he would too in the end.

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>>736020626
>You niggers need to understand, Tolkien was an autist, he was turbo 'that guy'. He didn't write lord of the rings to be a story, it wrote it because he wanted LORE for his MADE UP INVENTED LANGUAGES he did FOR FUN. This whole fucking autistic story and universe exists to justify his geek hobbies.
Lords of Earthrockin' when

>>736017374
He's Indian specifically. You can tell by his seethe from the British building him railroads, his family gets killed by and toilets, he doesn't understand the function of L M A O