XIII is a good game and i'm surprised it got shat on so much, i've seen /v/ hype up worse games
13 was OK but 13-2 is an excellent 10/10 game. great music, story, gameplay, characters, setting. one of the best final fantasies, and only hated on because parrots cant formulate opinions on their own
>>736025457There aint nothing excellent about that PC port thobeit
>>736025307it's great as trilogy, but ff13 as it's own is just meh hallway simulator
>>736025307The combat is good and when the game actually opens up a bit it is decent, but it takes some 20 hours to even get there and even then it only becomes mildly better. 13-2 is definitely way better and not mind numbing to play until you get to the good part
>>736025541thats true but you can just go to pcgamingwiki, they give links that fix everything about the port. FF13fix and patching the exe to 4gb is a must
>>736025541NTA but after slapping in a DXVK file (I gues DX12 for nvidia) and ff13fix I managed to get it running pretty smooth but god damn it's a shitty port unless you have those. Also I still get the occasional slowdown (see end of webm). Its a shame too cause I really like the game so far.
>>736025681FF13's combat is good from the very start. Yes it's very limited for a long time when it probably didn't need to be but as soon as chapter 3 you're starting to have to use your brain a bit instead of just mashing auto-battle
>>736025457nah. FF13s gameplay is much better
>>736025681>when the game actually opens up a bitnever happens
>>73602530713 is easily one of the worst in the franchise. If you like it then you like literal dogshit.
I like 13 more than 13-2. (still don't get 13-2fags at all) but 13 felt like it needed one more system to be great. I don't like how LB are just 3 bar attacks. Maybe it should've had a limit bar with special effects.
>>736026413let me guess, you don't like ff12 either
>>736026313Late game be like >com com com >rav rav rav >sen sen sen>sab sab sab >syn syn syn At least they tried
>>736026476nta but 12 sucksit probably has the highest rate of people quitting halfway through than any other FF game
>>736026679Why's that?
>>736025307It's an exceptionally mediocre game. The only outstanding aspects are audio visual. Not an actually terrible game, like 15 is, but it absolutely deserved to be shit on, as the most iconic example of Square Enix's downward trajectory as a company.
>>736025307>i'm surprised it got shat on so muchThat's because you're a zoomer whose "normal" for video games has become even worse than XIII is. All the yellow paint and DEI has caused you to think that any game without yellow paint and overt DEI is good when it really isn't.
>>736025307>XIII is a good gameYes
>>736026640ngl that's more 13-2 than 13.
>>736026313>nah. FF13s gameplay is much betterstill only midgame in xiii-2 but the only aspect I liked more about xiii-1 was buffs
>>736025307FF7FF8FF6FF9FF10FF4FF5FF12FF16FF15FF13 <--- Down here hanging out with the trash.FF1FF3FF2
>>736025307First, a Final Fantasy game is expected to have a world map where players can freely move to say a new cave or past town. FF13 was quickly derided as being a hallway game that didn't give you any choices while playing it. The battle system and story and whatever else also got criticized, but most of those aren't nearly as impactful as making the game out of Call of Duty tunnels.
>Start FFXIII>insanely boring start>first boss, Lightning decided to shove her head inside the boss ass and get insta killed, instant game over. Can't even be avoided because you can't control the position of the character directly.>unlock jobs, now the entire gameplay is watching non stop unskipable cutscenes as you change job>still boring as fuckNha it's jut not good and I don't even mind the game being a giant hallway
>>736026679>>736026808This is me.>t. quit at the Elder Wyrm after getting him to 5% HP and then him spamming Sporefall 3x in a row and killing me
>>736026452Summons are the super move complete with a flashy finishing attack and a separate meter. Every character does have a unique strong move, kind of like limit breaks from 7, but that's just an attempt to make fighting with them a bit more interesting. Otherwise, they'd basically be DAMAGE DEALER 1 TANK 2 HEALER 3.
>>736026906>It's an exceptionally mediocre game. The only outstanding aspects are audio visual.Every single FF game is like that, where's the supposed downward trajectory?
>>736026413Modern gaming is so "cooked" that zoomers are "discovering" that XIII was good, actually.It's almost certainly just one guy who keeps making these threads, but he is definitely a zoomer.
>>736027491It's better than 99% of the slop that gets released nowadays. How far this industry has fallen.
>>736026808I've personally tried giving it a fair chance many times over the years but it just never stuck with me. The gameplay gets old quick, the story isn't captivating enough to want to know more. The one thing I did really enjoy was Rabanastre, incredible design but everything else is just not fun
>>736025307>final fantasy game with no townsits not a good gmae
>>736025307FINALLY a good thread!
>>736027681>finally get to a town>it's a hallway
>>736026987Not the remake
>>736027192>7 above all how I know you're a primadonna parrot faggot
>>736027192>More FF2 slander
The one FF I don't get that gets a lot of hate is XVI.
>>736025307My story with XIII is the following.It took me 3 and a half years to get to the 25h mark.Then it took me 2 weeks tomgo.from 25h to 100h.I believe it was the same for a lot of people
>>736028320There are a couple schizos who have made hating Yoshida literally their entire lives. It's really that simple. Interestingly enough, the guy who spams XIII threads is one of them.
>>7360274767 looks like shit and is the best one.
>>736025307One of the worst battle systems in a JRPG ever
>>736028549Why parrot? Let me hear it
>>736028320I have two issues with XVI:The combat is bad. I wasnt expecting something DMC but I was expecting a BIT more character action than what we got.The story is great. What isnt great is all the XIV style story padding that the stuff between all the main story beats
>>736028565nta but paradigm shift takes too long for starter>durrr they fixed it in the sequelDon't care this is about XIII specifically.
>>736026906XV and XIII are equal all things considered with good and bad parts
>>736028549The ONE thing FF13 actually does well and you're here telling me it's bad over all the other shit FF13 does terriblyYou're a faggot
>>736028629Battles resolve entirely around paradigm shifting which isnt interesting or engaging at all.Its more concerned with looking cool then being thoughtful, engaging, or rewarding
>>736025307It looks and sounds great but has shitty gameplay that's somehow still leagues ahead of current day AAAs so it retroactively became good.
>>736028691>The ONE thing FF13 actually does wellAnyway enough about the soundtrack
>>736028320It's just World of Warcraft. They didn't bother making battles look like Final Fantasy because that wouldn't be enough like WoW. Besides that, the community is mostly men in dresses and playing an MMO means interacting with the community.
>>736028786Meant for >>736028565
>>736028663How does it take too long? Its near instantaneous. Sounds like you're a retard >>736028786It's far better than mashing x to attack for 40 hours like every other final fantasy before it.
>>736028882Might wanna check your roman numerals again fag
>>736028960>It's far better than mashing x to attack for 40 hours like every other final fantasySaying it's FAR better is an exaggeration. It might be better, but they're still both bad
>>736025307It killed the entire franchise. You would know this if XIII was not the first FF you played.Kill yourself
>>736028663Are you talking about the zoom in on paradigm shift? That happens only the first time it's used in battle and you're free to just queue up an attack. A lot of the combat in FF13 is character queue up a bunch of moves > character is doing them > paradigm shift and then repeat. Paradigm shifting at the right time can mean attacking way faster than just waiting for the ATB gauge to fill up.
>>736028882>meanwhile, in WoW
>>736029042It's not bad it adds a good amount of depth. Btw thanks for conceding that it's an actual improvement.
>>736029534Hitting two buttons to switch paradigms because you need a party member to spam heals isnt really depth.
>>73602719216 is the worst and 15 the second worst.
>>736029780buffs? extra damage? tanking? I had a feeling but yeah you are a retard if thats all you used it for
>>736029142I'm not praising WoW. It's a bad thing that a Final Fantasy game is more like World of Warcraft than other Final Fantasy games.
>30 hour tutorialIt literally does not matter what comes after the tutorial, it could be 11/10, it does not matter. It cannot be a good game.
>>736025457>We only see Cocoon proper in the fucking sequelGrim. 13-series fucking sucks.
>>736027804Back when lightning actually had a personality
>>736029957It does not get better once you stop running in hallways
>>736025457>13-2 is an excellent 10/10 gamedude relax
>>73602545713-2 is an excellent game.The problem is that I can't recommend it to anyone because I'd have to ask them to playthrough the hallway simulator that is FF13 first.
>>736028140>SaGa>GoodHe's completely correct. "Final Fantasy" 2 fucking sucked.
>>736029948I'd argue that Final Fantasy is about the music, the characters, and the story first and foremost. The combat is simply a means to an end and that since at least IV they have been predominantly "movie games". I think WoW didn't even have a story until they recently decided to copy XIV.
>>736025307Why does 13 zoomer do this every day?
FF13 haters be like:>press x three times to have your guy attack the enemy"Yo this gameplay is fire!!">press x one time to have your guy attack the enemy"Uhmmm this isn't okay. HALLWAY SIMULATOR HALLWAY SIMULATOR"
>>736030319I genuinely think he's trying to be the next Barry.
>>736027192FF9FF7FF10FF6FF16FF5FF4FF8FF15FF12FF13FF3FF1FF2FTFY
>>73602987216 is better than half that list
>>736030276No one wants a Final Fantasy game to have bad music. Combat is a lot more important than that, though. They've had bad characters and a bad story before, and FF1 didn't have a specific protagonist. Part of seeing a game called Final Fantasy Whatever is assuming the combat will be like the previous. After say FF9, no one would assume a future mainline FF game will have auto attacks and a skill bar.
The final fantasy games that I like i like in spite of their battle systemI do not like XIII
>>736025457>>736025307Holy fucking shit eating faggots.
>>736030319>>736030416no anon i'm not the next big boogey man because I made a one thread about a game you didn't like
>>736030652Kill yourself parrot
>>736030667You make several XIII threads every single day though.
>>736030667Uh huh. That's why every day there's a '13 was underrated' thread. Definitely all separate jeets and not one train enthusiast from the awkward smiles brigade.>>73603064616's gameplay was easy but honestly I liked the game. The atmosphere, while depressing as shit, did a really good job at carrying the tone of the game.
>>736026640>those setupsLmao
>>736025681>>736025457Can I play 13-2 right away or do I need to suffer through 13?
>>736030846Spoiler: you cannot even play XIII-2 at all without a mod/patch whatever you wanna call it.
>>736030846just read a synopsis or watch cutscenes on youtube, 13 is 100 hours long.
>>736025307I remember that boss, had fun with the game but never finished it. I think I got to the final zone but for some reason didn't get past that part. I remember still not really having much of a clue what was happening with the story. It was so convoluted and most of it was in these little cards it wanted me to read. A really awful way to tell a games story I don't know what they were thinking.
>>736030912>>736030846https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2#Issues_fixedJust go here and install these fixes and 13-2 runs flawlessly. Takes 5 minutes
>>73603084613-2 is a direct sequel, even having the ending of 13 in the prologue. If you don't at least know what happens in 13, you're going to be constantly confused about the plot and characters.
>>736030846They retcon XIII's ending so I don't think it matters anyway.
>>736030738>>736030782>everyone i don't like is the same exact person!!!!its a shame there are some games you can't mention on /v/ without attracting crazies like you faggots
i remember the first ff13 trailer got me hypedit looked like ff8, which is my favorite ffi bought it aaaaaaaanddropped the game at that shitty ifrit motorcycle whateverthefuck bossfighthated the combat systemhated the artstyledidnt like the characters at allis ff16 better?i dropped 15 too during release
>>736031245Bro, like the other anon said, you make this same exact thread multiple times per day, every single day. You make multiple Lightning and Vanille threads every single day. There's even a Vanille thread currently up. It's all you, and you do it every single day. You are XIII's Barry.
>>736030696Keep gobbling that shit, faggot-kun.
>>736031246This looked like FFVIII to you?https://youtu.be/B7uwtFpC4iI?si=uIqQ8UDMkYxnBRCbWell, I guess it kinda does when shes fighting in the hallway
>>736031446hm maybe not the very first trailerbut the one where the girl was in a trainand it cut to some soldiers that looked a lot like the ones from ff8
>>736031246Shiva was the motorcycle, but understandable
>>736028320the story goes to shit after killing titan. the true antagonist is boring and feels shoehorned in
>>736031526or that fight i dunnoit was a ridiculous shitty enemy eitherway did not like it one bit
>>736031560There's a clear difference in quality before and after Titan, it's wild
I don't really have much of an opinion about 1-4. I sorta liked 3 the most although 1 is probably more variance and replayability. All FF are good though even the ones I sorta dislike (FF7R), I have good things to say about. I probably will be the only anon to admit I hate FF7R for some autistic reasons but it's a fun game.
>>736031389>There's even a Vanille thread currently up. It's all you, and you do it every single day. You are XIII's Barry.If that's the case go head on over to that thread so you can be with your faggot boyfriend, i swear fags on this website will cry about the poopdick schizo 24/7 but the second their sworn enemy actually shows up they'll opt to shout at some random dude all day instead.
>>736031445You regurgitate all that you are told parrot, you have no thoughts of your own. Kill yourself
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The only thing about FFXIII that people don't say but they really should is that you should definitely play XIII with the japanese dub. I think the english dub gets insanely hammy and corny at times. Same with X but I don't think the internet is ready for that conversation.
>>736031245We all see you. Be honest, did you like FF13 because it had a train in the intro?
>>736031769>If that's the case go head on over to that thread so you can be with your faggot boyfriendThat doesn't even make any sense.
>>736032395The Jap dub is also corny and hammy at times. You just don't know what everyday normal people Japanese sounds like so you don't notice. Although, not being able to notice is also probably a reason to listen to the Jap dub over English
>>736025307You had to be there and be a teen like me to experience true disappointment.Yeah obviously in retrospective it isnt the worst game of all time,but think of Final Fantasy XIII as potentially the best JRPG of all time by far,that was the mindset back then before release.
The combat system of 13 has POTENTIAL to be good, but 0 content in the game actually shows it off, so, no, it isn't a good game. It's a bad game. Potential means nothing.
>>736032526I disagree. Japanese doing anime shit is whatever. English doing anime shit is cornballs as fuck.
>>736032940Yeah because you don't know what normal Japanese sounds like. You know what the Japanese in anime and games sounds like
>>736033028mushi mushi
Ff13 revisionism hmmmmI wonder why they're spinning this narrativeMayhaps a demake is coming who knows
>>736033707>they'reIt's just one guy, bro. It's Barry, but for XIII.
What did people like about XIII-2 exactly? I'm not the biggest fan of XIII, but I found XIII-2 to be way worse with its pokémon, Kingdom Hearts bullshit and the fact that it felt even like a typical RPG than XIII with its limited (actual) party members.LR may have had only Lightning, but at least there were lots of NPCs and quests, and the battle system feels better without persona 3 tier AI companions.Also that Moogle fuck was insufferable
>>736033892serah's boobiews kinda wish she had more porn.
>>736034028Fair enough, for me it was dub Vanille's sexy moans. She somehow sounds more anime than the Japanese one.
>>736031246FF16 is more like Devil May Cry where you zoom towards an enemy, smack them up in the air and do a crazy combo on them. It's not exactly like DMC, where you'll still be equipping accessories and considering how much a move "costs" to use, but it's not FF1 either. It's fun enough to be worth trying, at least.
>>736025307No it's not a good game, overhated perhaps but not good.
>>736033892>LR may have had only Lightning, but at least there were lots of NPCs and quests,13 was walking through a combat corridor with nobody to talk to and no side quests. The most significant optional content is one area with "hunts" where you were supposed to win a specific fight.
>>736026640literally 100% the endgame easily with these paradigms, there is no strategy at all in 13
>>73603124616 is alright, it's a bit easy but it's a fun game.
>>736033028>I'm going to assume things about a person I don't know>on an anonymous crystal making forum generalizations are so passé
>>736026906Why 15 is bad? Never touched it, but the field trip gimmick of the game sounds fun
>>736027239World map to me is whatever, a game can be good with or without, but the whole XIII experience just feels very detached. You run from battle to the next one, with nothing in between, except some battles notify you that the autoclip has been updated with something. Then after XII gave you very extensive ability to program your party member AI, XIII doesn't let you even do simple things like targeting priority or whatever.
>>736028850the underlying ATB system is actually good, it's basically what the universally liked (battle-wise) X-2 aspired to be but was held back by simultaneous rendering limitations
>>736025307It's one of my favorite Final Fantasies, but it is the first one I bought with my own money rather than pirating or emulating.
>>736034431it's incredibly incomplete. the characters are very boring and flat without the dlc. the world is incredibly empty despite being grandiose. a lot of the assets (you'll see a lot of gas stations) feel like they came from a store. the story suddenly goes 'oh shit we need to wrap up' and literally railroads you to the end of the game. it lacked focus, the tooling was a clusterfuck, and eventually they told that giga fag tetsuya nomura to stand down so we can get a product out of the door.ff15 was put together like a surgeon trying to reconstruct a person without a torso, so you're left with a head joined to two legs, and two arms, like some sort of horrifying testicular starfish.
>>736025307I've watched other people play this game since it released and the world and visuals look really cool but I'm too afraid to play it since it will likely ruin the vision I have of the game in my own head
>>736025307I Dunno man. XIII isn't really a "bad game", it feels more like it falls into that territory of >Not gameLike something that wasnt finished. There is so, so much of just running through hallways hitting auto battle over and over and watching cutscenes. I feel like you can praise quite a few parts of the game (Graphics, music, sound, art etc. all fantastic) but the actual gameplay... it feels borderline nonexistant for a A LOT of the game. Which feels like it disqualifies itself from being counted as a game, let alone a good game.Its like a proto-sony walking simulator movie game
>>736034431I played it on release. I hated it for not being the Versus XIII that got hyped up for a decade, but also there are tons of reasons it was shit on release. However, they patched a bunch of shit and added absolutely required DLCs, so now it's apparently not a steaming pile of shit anymore, but I don't think I can ever go back and replay it. The fucked up part is I was so hype that I even watched the movie and the anime before playing it, but it ended up being the single most disappointing game in the history of video games.
>>736034471I hate people who rip on XII for saying XII plays itself. At least you have full control over your party, including the positioning. You might not be pushing many buttons, but every single action your party takes comes from YOUR decision.Meanwhile 95% of XIII can be coasted through with auto-battle and occasionally changing paradigms.I do wish XII had more difficult main story bosses though. Did the Zodiac edition improve on that?
>>73602647612 is great, but I can see why people don't like it. I still have the steel CE case. 13 is a game I would lend to somebody and never ask for it back.
>>736034795It really is a walking simulator autobattle movie game, isn't it? They streamlined the walking, the battling, and the movie game so that you don't really need to engage with any of it. You can just let it do its thing while you sit there, controller in hand.
>>736025307That is exactly where I dropped that game.
>>736028882average whiteoid intelligence
>>736025681The combat is atrocious. You're out of your mind
Does /v/ actually like anything?
>>736034864>I do wish XII had more difficult main story bosses though. Did the Zodiac edition improve on that?No. I, too, wish every game had XII style Gambits that let you program your party's AI and "autobattle" that way because at least then you're actively engaging with the autobattle and even iterating and reiterating macros and commands. But anyway, no, it didn't make things more difficult. Zodiac actually made things easier because you can multi-class, change your classes, and 4x speed. And since you have gambits, playing 4x speed is nothing because the AI is constantly doing what you told it to do.
>>736035217FF X , III,IV,V,VII
>>73602545713-2's story is bad, though it's a problem of the entire trilogy. 13 had a well established if not terminology heavy lore, then 13-2 threw Etro (who had barely any mention in 13 besides 2 datalogs) into the mix, and took Lightning from the MC position except for the very beginning of the game and as a special monster with no dialogue, Then Bhunivelze (the god, not the new cocoon created near the end of ffxiii-2) is thrown on top of that in Lightning Returns, and no one is question where these increasingly powerful gods were in previous entries.I also feel like Noel's delivery was lackluster most of the time, the worlds you visit not mattering since they're all alternate timelines or liable to change because you need to go do something in another time period to get past a roadblock, and the pacing is off because you're jumping around so much.I love the combat in the series, people who complain the game is playing itself were either playing on an easy difficulty or didn't get very far in any of the games.
>>736025307ugly protag tho, hard to get anyone interested
>>7360352171. Every game relased before the year 19963. Every Switch game released in its first 3 years2. Discord shilled coomershit like Xenoshit 2 and Stellar BladeThere you go
>>736025457It still cracks me up how this shit game has a dedicated fanboy here on /v/ that sounds every FF thread trying to defend the 13 series
>>736035372>people who complain the game is playing itself were either playing on an easy difficultyThere wasn't originally a difficulty option for XIII and people still shit on it for being an autobattle hallway simulator. That's just what it is. The game never asks more of you. Final Fantasy in general never asks more of you in the first place, except occasionally for super bosses.
>>736035217Underage girls
>>736035217yes.
>>736025307story has too many plot holescharacters are only mildly interesting combat is boring as it is too hands off and you can just rape most of the bosses with poison, there is a turn based mode in a sense but since the game was not designed around that it doesn’t work wellgame is half over by the time you get to the big maps first half of game level design is virtually nonexistent music is only ok aesthetic is a bit derivative and uninspired released on the worst generation of consoles 13 rightfully killed the series. I remember playing this with a coworker when it released, we rented the game through GameFly kek. most of you here won’t even know what that is
>>736034864>I do wish XII had more difficult main story bosses though. Did the Zodiac edition improve on that?Not at all, it's a lot easier across the board (even the JP only IZJS release was, at least for story content). LIterally doubly so on the remaster as that allows you to dual-job.
>>736025307???
>>736034795>it feels more like it falls into that territory of >Not game>Like something that wasnt finished.I dare not mention a certain FF that comes after, I do not want to bait the schizo that we all know of. That one too has that exact flawed feeling. I never connected those dots before, but it makes sense in hindsight. The feeling of being on rails, a world with a lot of shit going on that doesn't actually matter, etc. They're quite similar even though the two look different. Also, both have a battle system that's flashy and tries to be different yet lacks strategic depth, repetitive and gimmicky. I guess I prefer a roadtrip more than a hallway, but they both sucked for the same reason imo.
>>736035838Lightning is genderbent Cloud.
>>736035217I like you, anonymous!
>>736026640Endgame is >COM COM COM>RAV RAV RAV>COM COM RAV>SEN SEN SENWith Light, Snow, and Fang because the other three are complete garbage and dead weight. The fact that Snow is the best mage is insane.
>>736025457I've never seen anyone hate 13-2, it's either ignored (because trauma caused by 13 proper) or rather well liked.
>>736036091Oh come on, deshell/deprotect boosts your damage by like 91%, JAM is fucking busted.
>>736035217cock
FF13 at least felt like a Final Fantasy game. It was the last FF game that felt a FF game (besides remakes). FF13-2 sucks and does not feel like FF at all. FF13-2 also has the worst leveling system I've ever seen in a video game with the random bonuses that require you look at a spreadsheet or follow a guide to do it properly or you lose out on tons of missable stat boosts.
>>736026476Nope. I like I~X, tho.Especially IV~X
>>736036208Well, I remember SYN being completely useless because you can get Hermes Sandals on everyone so you have your Auto-Haste, and most enemies required way too many tries of SAB to apply the debuffs. It's better to just RAV until you stagger, get to 999, go to COM x3, attack until it's almost recovered, then Highwind with Fang. You're already hitting damage cap with Fang so the debuffs are mostly pointless.
Probably the shitty fucking hallway maps kept people from liking XIII. Look at this shit.
>>736036329Because it's a Chrono game
>>736036392Yeah ENH is a bit pointless on mob encounters at least, since you usually can just have auto-brave/faith on one and usually melt the encounter away, byt JAM is very good. Debuffs to me land pretty frequently although I always run Vanilla with the staff that boosts them. Weak (whatever the thing is called in english, the debuff that causes the target to be more weak to elements) is also good, as being weak to an element means that BLA attacks build the stagger gauge more.Until you're genociding turtles for a platinum trophy for whatever you're rarely hitting the damage cap.
>>736033892> I'm not the biggest fan of XIII, but I found XIII-2 to be way worse with its pokémon,That's specifically why I like it more. Also I liked managing two characters more and not having to swap peoples roles around every so often the story demands it.
>>736037020I kinda want to do pokemon only run myself somehow
>>736025307Ok great the ff13 thread is back up. I have a burning question to ask. I've started replaying 13 and the first few hours seem to have a major plot hole. Why did the pulse fal'cie anima come into the hanging edges? Did it just decide to wander in from bodhum? Or did cocoon just bring it here? Why tf would cocoon bring the enemy god to the citizens it's purging? Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
>>736025307I wouldn't call a 30 hour tutorial "good", but I enjoyed the game regardless. The OST is a 10.
>>736037262he just chilled until the plot
>>736025307i honestly like the ui and music + its beautiful graphics and also the mechanics for summons i didn't really see it as transformers but something actually cool but the story was ass
>people being nostalgic and defending ffXIIIWhere are all the FFXfags that told me that would never happen?
>>736028629>I wasnt expecting something DMC but I was expecting a BIT more character action than what we got.Seriously. The combat disappointed me immensely. I think the first DMC released in 2001 had more variety to it then FF16.> The story is great.For the first half it's fantastic. Then it turns into a speedrun to destroy the crystal and all the intrigue disappears. Strong characters through, from start to finish.
>>736025307what's with all the XIII defense threads recently?
>>736037262Wasn't it found?
>>736037262Why is the fal'Cie there in the tutorial? Because government dragged it up there.
>>736037503No one knew how much worse FF would get when FF13 came out
>>736037503Unfortunately, a zoomer made a YouTube video essay about how XIII was a misunderstood masterpiece.
>>736035905both lightning and cloud are a bit ugly desucloud looks like a white man's skin stretched over a japanese man's face
>>736037997Absurd how we've only had one game outside of the fabula nova crystallisverse, and that is XVI
>>736038149Turning Final Fantasy into a series of trilogies was a huge mistake. Even the Final Fantasy VII IP isn't enough to carry Rebirth anymore.
>>736037938It was found a few days before the game start near bodhum, not at the starting area. >>736037968Why is the government stupid enough to carry around the enemy fal'cie so that people with nothing lose can just enter inside willy nilly?
>>736038457because it's all plotted by the government, the cocoon-pope orchestrates all the events, until you say nuh-uh i won't do what you tell me and proceed to do exactly what he wants
X and XIII are one and the same, it's just that you played X when u were a kid.
rather than pulse, the people on cocoon should be more afraid of these things and their kin. these and those kicking birds were the only ones to cause me trouble, no wonder they gave pulsians an aussie accent in the localizations
>>736038651Damn we're really just terrorists huh ...
>>736038937they're very much not, one gives you an engaging battle system, engages you with its world as you see it and the protagonists view expand.the other just feels like you're watching from the sidelines the entire time
>>736039152FFXs battle system is just rock paper scissors and boring. FFX's entire journey is walking in a straight line from trial to trial. They're the same thing.
>>736036456Thought this was FFX at first.
>>736039375>FFXs battle system is just rock paper scissorsNo, that's enemy design which is indeed lacking in creativity in FFX. The CTB system is extremely solid. And you couldn't think of other points about engaging with the player
i played most of the FF titles and all of them were trash. you guys have zero taste in video games.
>>736039682What do you mean it's just the enemy design? Most of the characters hard counter each enemy type. It's boring and it gives you infinite time to think about it. At least FF13 engages you with more real-time reactions and lets you share XP with party members you aren't using. FF10 makes you swap to each character in every battle to share XP which is terrible unless you mod it on PC.
>>736039859>Most of the characters hard counter each enemy typeThis is what I mean by lack of creativity in enemy design, how do you even function to breathe?. For the latter part, something being realtime does in no way make it berter.
>>736039993They switched to ATB for a reason. FF10 is mediocre, just like FF13. FF died at 9.
>>736040110>switched tomore like remained, and the way the turn order works in ATB isn't all too differen't from X's system
>>736025307https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47YPs-qwNQU
>>736040264From the ATB until X at least. From X-2 it's more of it's own more continuous time like we see in XIII. People say that X was the precursor to XIII because linearity but it's really X-2.
>>736025307>game comes out around 2006-2012>people hate it because the review meta around that time period was being miserable little bitch>time passes>people look back at games and retroactively start to like them; if not because they're good then because they were so and so and were treated like satan's droppings a little unfairly, add nostalgia to the mix and boomnot a final fantasy exclusive phenomena but it applies here
>>736040416they're not good, but everything after is worse
Its so funny how some Anons on /v/ are having a such a big meltie over people having second thoughts about FF13 and finding things they like about it
>>736040570it's still one of the worst FF games out there.the only good part of this whole mess is the soundtrack
>>736040416>game comes out in 2010's>I hate it>fastforward 2026>still hate itFuck FF13. Game is dog shit and yes I have beaten it at least twice.
>>736040416>people hate it because the review metaPeople hate it because it sucks. You don't need to read an IGN review to just play it and notice it's not a good Final Fantasy game.
FF16 is good too, but we as a society are not prepared for that conversation yet.
>>736038457>Why is the government stupid enough to carry around the enemy fal'cie so that people with nothing lose can just enter inside willy nilly?Apparently the fal'Cie was moved along with other shit from Pulse and they didn't actually know a fal'Cie was among the cargo.That level specifically shows armed soldiers shooting at the cast and then monsters around the fal'Cie who attack on sight. It wasn't in a Wal Mart. They both tried to prevent people from getting close to it and assumed anyone who got near it would get mauled to death.
I finished this game - god knows how I had the strength. Very patient in my youth. Could not for the life of me finish FF7 Rebirth though. Somehow I missed the linearity of XIII.
>>736025307FF7FF9FF10FF16FF6FF8FF5FF4FF15FF13FF1-3 I do not play MMO’s and I have yet to touch 12 I would put rebirth above 4 and remake above 15.
>>736041019I agree. It's a good game.And Joshua in his DLC outfit is a phenomenal twink.
>>736039418It is. It's Macalania Woods. It's fun to dunk on XIII haters and make them look retarded, but no one got baited today. Proud of /v/
>>736036091Sazh is the best character in the game and has the best blitz by far and it's not even close. I played this game way more than you.
>>736041306Snow has the fastest DPS in the entire game as a RAV because he throws out balls almost instantly. Same applies to Light. People figured this out years ago.
>>736036392So you lock down an entire accessory slot from auto-haste when hastega is far more efficient? Did you beat the superbosses and marks?
>>736041139Any "tier" list that doesn't have 2 and 5 at the top is immediately disregarded
>>736041386Khttps://youtu.be/nVWlJl65sHA?si=tT7mVJTcGJp2rweO
>jrpgnothin to talk aboutwill never be... anymoreJHAHAHAHA FUCKING DIE FAGOT SCUM
>>736041306Hope is the best character in the game because when he stops being a whiny bitch he becomes CUTE.
>>736041386https://youtu.be/bNEK_yn709Q?si=ov_zDeWkgQfwj3ye
>>736026640most "ive never played the game before, ive just parroted 2013 game forum posts" post I have ever seen.
>>736025307First it was RE6, and now it’s FFXIII, eh zoomies? We’re now half a step away from “Ehrm, ackshually the 343 are misunderstood masterpieces. You just got filtered.”It’s like watching someone dig through my garbage.
>>736041396>Did you beat the superbosses and marks?Yes, I have the platinum. You don't need Hastega at all. I think I might have used regularly but I don't recall using SYN much at all.>>736041459https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPev-RsDoZQ
>>736041386I don't care, he's permanently benced after the game last forced me to use him in parumporum. He's the shittiest character in video game history. There's not a single instace in the game where he opens his mouth and I do not want to kill him.
>>736041692I got it too and Sazh is still insane. Calling him dead weight is a massive stretch and Vanille straight up cheeses a huge chunk of endgame
>>736025307Was that the demo I played where it’s just one nigger in a row and she’s a dyke? Did not see that coming, I thought there’d be another chink and a male lead.
>>736041403Nah that defaults to the bottom of the list, it’s not even a real ff game if it’s not 3D. Even 7 and 8 are like questionable entries to the list, that really deserves its own genre. Anything with like those gay old style world maps. 9 is really the first final fantasy, and it shows. Breathtakingly simple and it’s why it’s the best game.
>>736041813I'll stand corrected on Sazh. I mean, I used him for like 70% of the game and until I got Light and Snow up to par, but once I did I didn't see a point in using him since Snow was just absurdly fast in all his attacks and Light was nearly on par whereas Sazh just wasn't as quick and wasn't as great on the stat front.>and Vanille straight up cheeses a huge chunk of endgameI only recall her being good for Long Gui and Shaolong Gui farming because of the instant death chance and just constantly rolling the dice for that. Early and midgame she was just a glorified MED and RAV user.
>>7360419679 belongs to the bottom along with 13
>>736041053Oh ok. Just take out all the trash in one go. I guess i can't blame the government for not expecting a god in their rubbish.
>>736041978I might be overstating Vanille since her SAB and poison turn vercigotorix or however you spell it into a non-fight and once I learn about Sazh's blitz he got frontlined forever. Its actually kind of nice that 2 100% players can have vastly different experiences. That's the sign of a decently balanced game imo
>>736041813>>736041459fuck i benched sazh in favour of hope since hope had heals and iirc earlier buffs (sazh at that moment only had haste in his favour) he was my favourite character too now i just feel sad
>>736041539Hope was fucking so cringe just like their entire caste almost. You could tell where their budget went, it was into these Hollywood esque sequences with filler in between that you’d rather just not see or hear. Hopes like the most retarded fag I’ve ever had the displeasure of having in my final fantasy team. He looks weak as fuck first off, he doesn’t seem like he can attack anything or do anything meaningful. He looks like he’s got a severe disability like a real physical one and shouldn’t even be outside he should be at home in bed resting up for his big outing to the park. Every time he opens his mouth it’s some “the rains so strikingly beautiful the way it reflects off the paper bag blowing in the wind” tier writing and i just can’t handle it. He was clearly there only to comment the dyke and make her look like she’s got extravagant friends. Thats the type of guy a dyke would be around probably.
>>736041978Here I thought that you were a smart tripretard, even retard old me figured out that Sazs was nuts
>>736042229Hope just needed to get laid. Like most of /v/. It cures being whiny.
>>736042218I don't think any of the characters are bad, so you should play again with a different party for fun
>>736035579Even on normal mode, there's plenty of non-optional bosses you had to play defensively and continually reapply buffs and debuffs to defeat (because the bosses would remove buffs or debuffs after a little bit, but every time they're spending time removing those buffs and debuffs they're not hitting you with attacks that deal more than half the party's life).And despite the game being fairly linear, you are given the option to backtrack two times, once after defeating Barthandelus in Oerba, and once in the final area. As you play the game, you'll sometimes come across bosses that seem way outside your current strength to beat, as you're supposed to essentially backtrack to fight them later. You can defeat those enemies early however, and doing so sometimes gets you special cutscenes, like when you ignore the tower boss to explore Gran Pulse and start doing the hunt chains that eventually go above your current level in difficulty.
>>736042340He was nuts for most of the game, I just felt like he fell off by endgame because of how absurd Snow's RAV balls are, how fast Light attacks in both RAV and COM, and how Fang is just free high damage even at 400%.
>>736027192YoshitPiss 16 is the worst.
>>736042368The girls in that game were too busy scissoring to touch hope. Only the big black cock could implant his sword into a sheath, sazh never stops talking about his fucking kids and wife he’s got back in Africa. Snow isn’t even a character, you could just remove snow and the game doesn’t change.
>>736042487Fang/hope/vanilla is my party, a shota with two sexy nee-sans
>>736042229hope was realistically angsty.>>736042487the biggest thing wrong about ffxiii is the shipping is ALL fucking wrong.
>>736042558Theyre all dykes, yuna was the last straight woman. Apparently like over 65% of final fantasy sales are from women.
>>736042442It's really nice when you got to fully blast his area blast into an enemy's face. Too bad that the game gives you no way to control ally placement outside of autistic knowledge about attack animations.
>>736042487ye i hate snow too, made me like hope more hearing him want to murder snow. snow is just seifer with the personality of south park's bono parody.
>>736025307Final Fantasy XIII is okay, peoples standards back then were much higher and being okay/average and almost good weren't going to cut it. If Final Fantasy XIII had come out in the last 7 years it would have been a completely different story, an 11/10 masterpiece!
>>736042368>>736042487i thought the game was hinting some chemistry between hope and vanillehttps://youtu.be/0e727H81IAs?t=135did i missread this scene like a retard?
>>736042696Out of all the cast, the nigger was the best character and many people agree. Snow was embarrassing. I didn't want anyone watching me play the game when Snow came on. The kind of acting you see in Nickelodeon sitcoms or Disney live shows....
>>736042816Nope, but it does with Lightning X Hope too, they pretty much don't do much with it since again >>736042592I'll keep reposting this till the end of time>Lightning X Snow>Hope x Vanille>Noel x Serah>Caius x Yeul>Fang and Sazh as partners (not romantic) but just living together to take care of Sazh's son.
>>736041818The cast looks like a bunch of white people and one black guy. Maybe they're ambiguous anime Asians who don't look exactly like any race in particular. The protagonist is a woman who explicitly hates the idea of straight marriage though, yes, and her job was as a soldier. She's the closest thing the game has to a main character but it swaps leads often enough that she sometimes doesn't matter.
>>736042816Just a teenager having a crush on the first good-looking woman to talk to him
>>736042901vanille is the protagonist though
>>736043034creepy loser
>>736042860Snow and Josh was my favourite show as a kid. WHADDYA MEAN I RAN OVER ODIN? MEGAN!I liked Hope for being realistically angsty and pulling himself through a lot of it. He's cute too. The car thief is based.>>736042896Adult Hope turned out meh desu.
>>736042402I think you're giving it too much credit. I didn't do Pulse shit, I just played through the game and never had any difficulty. The game does not ask anything of you, ever, which is par for the course for Final Fantasy, but XIII automatically inputs commands for you.
fang should've been a recurring enemy that turns into a party member near the end of the game, her design and backstory makes her feel more like a rival to lightning than a party member. Have Cid and the cavalry be a little more relevent and team up with her and boom the story improves just a little bit.
>>736042860Snow was just too unrealistic. He always had some major asspull magic that wasn’t even in his spell list during the cutscenes. Like oh great snows here, what’s he gonna do now *summons a giant ring of death that he uses to do bmx tricks on mid combat while everyone else is busy holding the line*. Like that was his big gimmick I guess was doing all this random crap that never accomplished anything. I think I remember counting snows pointless magic tricks and I’d count to like 85 and he was still busy doing his pointless tricks in the background of the scene. Im not even sure if it was intentional or if it just came out that way.
>>736043090>whole game is narrated by her>everything that happens revolves around her past actionsno matter how you look at it she is the main character
>>736043209Its a completely different game past mark 17 or so
>>736043387I highly doubt that, but even if it is, that goes with what I'm saying. Final Fantasy has never demanded anything of its players for just a normal playthrough. You have to do super boss shit (and in modern Final Fantasy, super boss shit in the hard modes that you need to have beaten the game already to even unlock) in order to ever be asked to engage with the systems. And for people who just play the game normally, XIII is an autobattle hallways simulator.
>>736043209cmon anon you're supposed to be aiming for 5 stars every encounter, doing that on auto battle is aids especially for some of the pulse missions>I didn't do Pulse shit, I just played through the game and never had any difficulty.ah checks out, i'll agree with the fact that the auto battle system is stupid though. I wish it was lower down the menu so that people wouldn't default to it.
>>736043387Hardly, but some are the only encounters that make you maybe think about your optimas instead of having them on a general all-out offence
>>736028320Terrible combatTerrible level design Terrible side quests Terrible 2nd half story
>>736043034This is a good example of someone ignoring shit like the game's box and who you play as at the start to instead pretend the person they jerk off to more is the main character. Don't remind him that they didn't make a game called Vanille Returns.
>>736043469>>736043469There's nothing wrong with an easy game. There are much harder RPGs even within Square like SOP that asks more of the player. FFV and the MMOs are the only ones that expect you to use your brain during the main campaign, so a Final Fantasy game being easy is about as jarring as the sun coming up at 6 AM
>>736043668>localized fanfiction boxart as gospelironically your post is the perfect example of what you claim
>>736043542>cmon anon you're supposed to be aiming for 5 stars every encounterI did, and it was extremely easy. >>736043717>There's nothing wrong with an easy game.I didn't say there was. I generally like Final Fantasy, and like I said, a Final Fantasy game has never asked anything of the player in a normal playthrough, ever. You need to do post-game shit to ever be asked to do anything in a Final Fantasy game, it's just that in XIII that means it's an autobattler. XV might be less of an autobattler than XIII, and you literally just hold down one button in that game (or really, you spam warp strike)
>>736043654I don’t really get the “hallway simulator” critique it recieved. Like every nigger in a squad is just hallways once you know what’s happening. Like I guess people were hoping to have some rpg elements where there’s optional dungeons with loot at the end to grind, that’s kinda fun. Combat was alright I remember thinking it was just less fun though. The breaking system really took hold and I never liked it too much to be honest family.
>>736025307XIII was bad but we didn't know how good we had it when this was the worst ff yet.Jesus christ Square get your act togheter.
>>736043881I remember farting and shitting everywhere in ffx when water spells did more damage to fire enemies. But then like, they changed it so you instead did almost no damage unless you charge something first, I still don’t really get it because I always get too confused, I also get lost while playing these newer final fantasies where you can portal to like seemingly different consoles and entirely new game types from within a single disc.
>>736043843I can see your point, but that's not fair towards 13 imo when X had Stonetouch/deathtouch/quickhit, IX had everyone attacking for thousands after Oelivert, VIII let you junction instant death less than 10 hours into the game, VII actually had decent balance for a good portion of the game, but you never had to do more than slap n' heal, VI had banish and ultima; I could go on. I'm still not doing much in the older games either, 13 just stripped away some of the illusion. Even in 12; what's the difference between navigating your menu and using Curaga at 10% hp and a macro?
>>736025307I started it recently. It's a struggle, I'm not gonna lie. One of the worst opening segments to an otherwise promising game that I've ever seen, which is baffling because it's like it went out of its way to be awful on purpose.It presented an interesting premise like other FFs before it, then bogged it down with endless, pointless hallway battles with zero strategy and zero reward.Now that I have access to the paradigm system it's more interesting but it's still a slog.The lack of Uematsu's music hurts it more than I thought it would. Hamauzu can be amazing, but his output is inconsistent and it just doesn't fit as well.I'm trusting that it will get better.
>>736044162I really wouldn't count quick hit because while ridiculously OP, it's such an endgame ability that bears no meaning on a normal playthrough
>>736044212Chapter 7 is when it starts to pick up
>>736044162>13 just stripped away some of the illusionTurns out the illusion is important.(NTA)
>>736044162>[...] I could go onYou're just demonstrating what I said, that Final Fantasy has literally never been a difficult series that asks anything of the player, unless you do post-game super boss shit (or the super bosses in modern hard modes). Yes, Final Fantasy is easy, but the only ones that are literally autobattlers are XIII and XV. Even XII, if you want to autobattle, you have to set it up in such a way that the game playing itself for you feels like an accomplishment rather than a gacha.
>>736044212Chapter 10 is where is picks up
Why do most franchises have this "black sheep entry" that isn't really bad and objectively good but the vocal "fanbase" absolutely shits on it despite it being relatively well liked in Japan. It happened to me twice but two times is enough to be like is this a pattern? What causes this so called autistic rage from people who don't seriously engage with the medium?
>>736044305Thanks, I'll stick with it. If nothing else I find the story interesting enough to keep going for now.
>>736044212>It presented an interesting premise like other FFs before itIt does have an interesting premise. The fal'Cie, the l'Cie, the Cieth, Cocoon. It all could have been interesting. Then it does absolutely nothing with the setting and instead focuses on the absolutely terrible characters and their interpersonal (and personal) drama that you cannot possibly give a shit about. It ends up just being a whiny bitching story that takes half the game to even let you choose your party members.
>>736044212Hamauzu really shines in his ambient, ethereal tracks like wandering flam, but he's not as good as Uematsu in creating melodies that really stick with you and that you hum to.
Shit talk XIII all you want but getting to Oerba is a top 3 FF moment.
>>736044420Female lead for the first time + entirely new combat system for the first time + went woke as FUCK, not like last time where he was just a darker skinned gook, he was actually a black gook this time. The games filled up with endless cuckolding to sell more copies to women, who ironically because squares biggest costumer when men stopped working and started torrenting their RPG games
>>736044498if you just dropped the cocoon shit it would've been interesting to me. sadly half the game has you running about aimlessly while some retard spouts that we have to protect cocoon, and its people who are perfectly content with purging innocent people just because they may have sniffed a fart from pulse
>>736044560doesn't hold a candle to zanarkand, battsu's home village or half the world being wiped by the cyclone
>>736044626Don't reply to me ever again.
>>736044420FFII is the black sheep (which became SaGa), not XIII. XIII is a game that is alright, but isn't good, and many people consider it the turning point for Final Fantasy being bad, and it spawned a trilogy that barely anyone played and was part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis universe that XV (formerly Versus XIII) is also part of, and if people weren't turned off by XIII, they were turned off by XV. It's just steeped in bad vibes and poor decisions and development hell decisions. It doesn't help that if the game released today it would be called woke slop, but instead a couple zoomers make threads about it multiple times per day trying to convince people it was good.
>>736044728Too much bad faith discussion on this damn site holy fuck
>>736037789The little kids who grew up with it are now old enough to from a sizable population here as old fucks phase out. When Sonic 06 started getting defenders you knew it was coming. In another few years you'll be seeing people defend FF15 the same way.
>>736044775Not a single thing I said was in bad faith.
>>736044798>another few years you'll be seeing people defend FF15 the same wayfinally Barry will get some friends
XIII-2 gets literally zero discussion, despite being the superior game. Noel was cool and it had lots of good additions to the standard nba player line combat systems of old. You also didn’t have to see the dyke, you got her hot sister instead
>>7360414032 is a garbage game and I'm sick of you fucking contrarians acting like it isn't.
>>736044420The need to feel included. Most people who are vocal online do not genuinely like video games and they are merely a vector to interact with others; it doesn't matter if it's positive or negative. Notice how most detractors of any divisive game never shows evidence of playing the games that they shitpost?
>>736044943>Notice how most detractors of any divisive game never shows evidence of playing the games that they shitpost?The non zoomers who played XIII did so on PS3 or Xbox. Only zoomers played it on Steam.
>>736035372It got done like Disney's Star Wars. The first one had a decent story, the second one was thrown together by someone who wanted to make an entirely different game, the third was made out of obligation to shareholders. I like to pretend that only the first one exists.
>>736044912Upon release I thought the same thing. But by the time I finished it I realized that while 13-2 did some things better it also did some things worse. XIII>13-2>13-3>15>16. They simply keep getting worse.
>>736044728>>736044867shit maybe barry is 13zoomer
>>7360449382 is actually good once you grow a braincell or two>>736044912Loved the Gilgamesh theme with all the oriental instruments in that one.
>>736043823>the J-Japanese one is the only one that countsWhich character did the Japanese pick to represent FF13 in Dissidia Duodecim? Here's a hint: it wasn't Vanille. You're apparently ignoring anything that doesn't agree with you, so you'll probably also ignore the 13-2 logo that shows Lightning, not Vanille.
>>736044938I've played plenty of worse rpgs
>>736044502Hamauzu does some absolutely killer tracks, especially in the SaGa games, his music just has a very different personality and a higher miss rate. Some of the minor tracks just kind of exist as filler, and sometimes they're decent but they get used in the wrong places. He did a great job with the tracks he made in FFX, and they were also used cleverly.Having him handle FFXIII just makes me realize and appreciate that 95% of Uematsu's music is fucking amazing. The man just doesn't make shitty filler music.
>>736035905Everyone acts like this is some crazy indictment when that was the entire point. 13 was supposed to be a sort of 7 Remake from before SE realized that they needed to just make an actual 7 Remake.
>>736044626>went woke as FUCKI haven't played far enough to say for sure, but I suspect you're full of shit
>>736045105If someone went online back then, you can easily prove that you played the game, since you couldn't just disable achievements. It's such any easy thing to find. That's why I think most shitposters on /v/ are full of shit and don't play video games and that goes far beyond FFXIII or even FF discussions. It's a problem with the board as a whole. That and a lack of national flags/poster id ala /biz/ is why /v/ is never going to improve
>>736045326You play as a pink haired but masculine dyke who makes fast friends with an African chicken farmer that constantly talks about how many times he used his bbc to inseminate to make you jealous
>>736045232likewise, you only deem value to the american (and sadly for the first time, also european in this case. they usually had the same as japanese from when they got releases) box13-2 is 13-2, none of that shit is relevant. Vanilla is the main character of 13, there's no way about it
Are we gonna have "Actually, FF15 was good this entire time" in five years or so on this board as genuine shitposts?
>>736045623If that's your reasoning you are indeed full of shit. I hope this is just bait and you're not really this brainrotted.
>>736045623At least lulu keeps her sneeding low key and only whispers it to you far away from town in one scene near the very end. Sazh is always on about more feeding at chucks. “Muh keedz in afruca miss muh, must get back to muh keedz”
>>736044912It was literally just Tales of Symphonia 2 with an, "The okayest parts of Chrono Trigger," filter on top. It starts by retconning the happy ending of the first game. It failed to use the baller reveal trailer music like the first game did to wild success.
>>736044416I guess if the other anon is wrong about it being chapter 7, I can struggle through another 3 chapters after I get there
>>736045741How much more woke can you handle before just selling your Walkman and circle dvd lazer etching. I draw the line at black gooks. Black samurais, what’s next a black scientist? Black new game plus where you’re in Africa?
>>736046024seek help anon unironically touch pulsian grass
>>736045219>2 is actually good once you grow a braincell or twoPresumably you aren't "too good" at the game where you can instant kill every boss first try. Played normally, people are going to get pissed off when a fight ends and it's like STRENGTH DOWN.
>>736037789XIII acquired its own Barry.
>>736046367What the fuck are you even talking about? Stat atrophy is never notified to the player. Most people today would probably play a version where it doesn't even exist in the first place. Try magic interference of weapons if youi want some ammunition to really fault the game. Played normally, you get stronger as you progress. I know shitposting about games one has never played is /v/'s forte but you really should try playing them sometime.
>>736045454I logged into my Xbox account on PC for the first time pretty much ever and I have no idea how to find my achievements. I'd show you, but I have no idea how to find it. I don't disagree with you that many people both for and against games don't play them, but there is also the issue of "shills" whose only argument is "you didn't play the game" and then even when they are shown proof, they ignore it or deny it. I've even uploaded my E33 save multiple times for people to download and check, and people still like to pretend that if you thought Act III was trash that you didn't play the game.
>>736045623Don't forget the lesbians.
>>736045662We'll have to wait until a zoomer makes a 1-3 hour YouTube video essay so that the lil zooms know what their talking points are when making a thread and dealing with boomers who played the game before they did (if they even play it)
>>736046024>Black new game plus where you’re in Africa?...I guess this probably isn't a good thread to reveal the thing I've been working on, huh?
>>736047254you've been working on AI prompts?
>>736046703>Stat atrophy is never notified to the player.Not directly, but you can see your stats in the pause menu and notice they're lower. I repeat, this is an RPG where a fight can result in a stat decreasing.
>>736047449And wherein that process of meticulously examining stats between every change does lie the previously claimed after-battle message of SRENGTH DOWN
>>736035516Why is it shit, troon parrot? go ahead I'm listening.
>>736035516It is funny how all the FNC games have a dedicate schizo who shills the game, except Type-0. I wonder if that's next.
>>736047351Yeah, kinda.The cloud platforms are even worse at UI than they are at scenes, so had to edit that by hand.
>>736047997I suggest you find a talent of your own
>>736048087Corralling robots and shooping is labor, at the very least. Maybe talent. No one's paying me for it, though, so I'm open to the idea that it isn't.
>>736047587>previously claimed after-battle messageI did not ever claim there was an after-battle message about strength going down. I said it was "like" that, as in not the same as literally saying "Strength Down" but close enough. Decreasing the strength stat directly visible on the pause menu is close enough to just putting a "Strength Down" message onscreen.
>>736047829people hate type-0? from the few threads i've seen about it on here I thought it was well liked
>>736048454Huh? I'm just saying Type-0 doesn't have a shill schizo yet. Personally I liked it the most of the FNC games, but if XIII and XV both have a schizo it's only a matter of time until someone starts making multiple daily Type-0 threads after no one ever talked about it for the last decade or however long its been, same as XIII.
It's dogshit actually
>>736025307>spam Auto-attacks until stagger fills up>switch paradigm to damage>spam Auto-attacks until stagger empties>switch back to paradigm for stagger>repeat for every battleThey created a complicated combat system that's even worse than "Just select Attack."
>>736048654woops yeah missread your reply>but if XIII and XV both have a schizo it's only a matter of time until someone starts making multiple daily Type-0 threadsthats a shame, once a schizo latches onto a game an "anti" schizo (still a schizo) shows up and the combination of those two kill any discussion of that game for the next decade or even longer if you're unlucky
>>736048369How often do you continuously and meticulously keep track of your stats? Somehow this is only a problem in FF2
>>736025307Eh, to put it into context... 12 was such an amazing game in terms of amount of content and 13 was to be released as a flashy PS3 game.So as you might expect it was very disappointing after being hyped up. I even bought the official hardcover strategy guide but it was useless because of how incredibly straightforward the game was.
>Contrarian HQ trying to hype up the 'misunderstood gem' that crashed and burned the franchiseof course this shithole would LOL
>>736048454>people hate type-0?It was one of the most shit on FF titles since it got a HD remaster. Even outside 4chan it was shat on hard.
>>736042402>you had to play defensively and continually reapply buffs and debuffs to defeatAutobattle does this too though
>>736049120>So as you might expect it was very disappointing after being hyped up. I even bought the official hardcover strategy guide but it was useless because of how incredibly straightforward the game was.Huh. You know I never thought of that. XIII is kind of the FF game that destroyed there being "secret" things in FF or things you could miss. I don't think you can miss anything in XIII because it's just a straight line that doesn't even allow you to go backwards except on the rare occasion that there is a chest (containing nothing of value) 2 feet behind where the game put your character.
>>736048454All I know about typo-0 is that the it really was designed to be played on-and-off on the PSP and also the characterization by panties. May amaterasu bless this woman
>>736049216you can miss the small commune robot in oruba, but that's about it.
>>736049192Damn, people hated Type-0? I thought it was easily the best FNC. Now there's a "hidden/underrated/overlooked gem" for zoomers to latch onto, if you ask me.
>>736048975>FFX in A despite the fact that its more like FFXIII than any other final fantasyFFX was literally just proto-FFXIII. Replayed and finished it two or three weeks ago and it doesn't hold up at all.
>>736049340FFX has>Better characters>Better story>Better combat>Things to do outside of combat>Towns>NPCs>Better musicXIII is literally hallways between cutscenes with some fights in between. There is nothing more to that game. And that's on top of everything else it does worse than X
>>736049467>FFX>Towns
>>736049340FFX has a decent story, a decent romance, and all of the characters are likable and have an appealing personality. The game also does not literally play itself for you. The biggest similarity between the two is that they are both linear, but XIII is significantly more linear than X is. XIII has a neat premise that never goes anywhere because the narrative is overtaken by the most unlikable cast in all of Final Fantasy complaining about their one problem over and over again, and you can't choose who is in your party until half way (or more than halfway?) through the game.
>>736049467>Things to do outside of combatThis really is the big one. On top of the world being presented more organically,. It's really hard to get any interest in XIII's lore
>>736049536I know that you're just defending XIII because this is the game you decided to attach yourself to, but X has a few towns or at least shops set up where you can buy things. IIRC, XIII has maybe one town, and the "shops" are just random spheres floating around on your one hallway straight from the beginning to the end of the game, and I think even the """towns""" of XIII (i.e. the floating sphere) is the same thing as the save point.
>big on ff music. Orchestras etc. Seems like in its hayday ff13 x 3 didnt get big orchresta concerts. Wonder why?
>>736049467Either you have an awful memory or you've never played either game because those last four things are demonstrably false.
>>736048996>Buff>Balance com and rav to build the stagger quickly without losing it because you built too quickly>watch out for defensive/healing moments>the timing for all of this is different for every mob type
>>736049245
>>736049732Please do demonstrate things to do outside of combat in XIII. I don't even hate the game but come on.
>>736049574XIII's lore is great. The lack of things to do on Gran Pulse and in Nautilus are glaring though. It's obvious that they'd planned those things and didn't get a chance to implement them. Pretty sure Sazh's XIII-2 DLC was lifted Nautilus stuff, the same way Jihl's XIII-2 coliseum fight was just the fight you were supposed to have with her on the Palamecia.
>>736044728FF2 can't be the black sheep because unlike 13 it set so many things in stone for the following games between story, spells and character archetypes, FF2 has a massive legacy for not one but two game series, FF13 has absolutely nothing to its name outside of Lightning being pushed to hell and back despite most people hating her guts.
>>736049782I think that guy hasn't played any Final Fantasy game, he just got told by a YouTuber to tell people that X is also "a hallway" and even though it's not as much of a hallway as XIII, he's sticking to his guns of propping up XIII by dogging on X.
>>736049732>Things to do outside of combatBlitzball, cloysters, bunch of minigames>TownsLiterally play the game. You stop at towns along the way>NPCsThere are a bunch of NPCs>Better musicHamazu is a shitty composer and he got carried through X's OST by UematsuPlease though tell me how these are all wrong
>>736049838II is the black sheep because everyone says they hate it even though most people never played it. Whereas with XIII, the reason they are no longer interested in Final Fantasy is because they played XIII.
>>736049868>Hamazu is a shitty composer
>>736049836It's great in the sense that there's a lot of it. And maybe it is actually good but I never got interested in it, and therein is the games biggest problem. It does a really poor job of getting the player interested in its world.
>>736049868That guy is Barry but for XIII. Don't even bother.
>>736049782You can do that weird weather puzzle in Sunleth. And that weird puzzle in Tenjin's Tower. And read datalogs. I think that's it.Which leads me to what I think XIII's true problem was: it stylistically appealed to girls and people who read novels and who like... I dunno, graphic design and fashion and stuff. But mechanically, it's basically a twitchy level-based FPS.
>>736049982Yes. His music is forgettable as fuck
>>736049205That requires you to constant shift paradigms though, unless you're leaving them in synergist roles for the entire fight, and the priority of which buffs to apply via the autobattle is fucked.
>>736049868The NPCs in besaid even actually have different dialogue if you, for some mad reason, decide to backtrack after the news that Yuuna is going to marry. It's not something that 99% of the players will see but it shows that they payed some attention to make the world alive.
>>736025457Pretty much. As an old-school FF fan XIII-2 is one of my favorites. The MC duo is good (Serah/Noel), the antagonist and his partner are good (Caius/Yeul), the time travel narrative is unique and interesting (changing the future changes the past instead of vice versa), Lightning's story thread is interesting, there's mystery, there's adventure. Not linear like XIII, gameplay is good, soundtrack is good.
>>736050154>But mechanically, it's basically a twitchy level-based FPS.To me it's more like an arcade style game. Like imagine you're playing an on-rails game, and you just go from one fight to the next, and the only part of the game you play is the fights (barely) and that's what playing XIII feels like.
>>736050197lmao, sure, uematsu might've been better, but when compared to literally anyone else in the industry hamauzu is a fucking godwhen the competition is sakuraba, sugiyama and whoever did the garbage at falcom, meguro is the only guy who can actually compete in score
>>736049908>Spoonfeed meI knew what was up when people complained about "l'Cie" and "fal'Cie". All of the context clues are there to tell you what they are, but so many folks are illiterate that just the weird words threw them for a loop and made them lash out in monkey-brain anger.
>>736050343Hey don't go forgetting our KH girl, Yōko Shimomura
>>736050350...did you mean to reply to someone else, or is your unrelated, unprompted sperg out actually directed at me?
>>736046983Its a major problem with this board as a whole, yet I keep coming back. Alas.
>>736050197>One of the most prolific and appreciated composers in the industry is forgettable as fuckDelusional, I value the opinion of actual talents like Kenji Ito who consider him a peer over your worthless drivel
>>736050409the same girl who did ff15's garbage fucking ost?
>>736050305No, because you're still navigating a series (hallway) of get-down rooms filled with enemies, and then when you enter them, you have a standard set of techniques you apply creatively to winnow out the enemy forces, with timing and paying attention to how the enemy is shifting being paramount. What you described is Riviera: The Promised Land.
>>736050343Shimomura and Soken are both better than Hamauzu, especially ShimomuraDearly Beloved alone is better than anything Hamauzu has ever composed
They called me a schizo when I mentioned it but it's only getting more frequent. Why do we keep getting XIII and X threads
>>736045623Imagine thinking about big meaty throbbing ebony cocks this much
I love the way she keeps her hand up like thisI never played ff13 because i didnt like her theme. I played both ff6 and ff7 because I heard terras theme and aeriths theme. Yes I am autistic
>>736050457Well I haven't listened to the FF15 ost but her work in KH is stellar
>>736050485>What you described is Riviera: The Promised Land.No, I described Final Fantasy XIII. I've never played Riviera.
>>736050490you think ff16 ost is better than ff13?and ff15 for that matter?
>>736050415Yeah, it was meant for >>736049987. I appreciate that you noticed that it probably wasn't aimed at you but decided to clapback anyway.
>>736050506the xiii kids grew into their twenties and fail to see the differences between the two
>>736050490SaGa Frontier 2's score alone obliterates anything your cancer survivor ever wrote.
I find it funny because Lightning is a bit of a bitch in her own game lol. >SIGH THIS IS THE WORST BIRTHDAY EVER I mean I don't disagree with her but that whole flashback was hilarious as fuck. Even in LR she still has that cold front up. Fuck it's even worse in XIII-2 when in XIII she's suppose to lighten up and then she meets Serah and she's just like "fuck off bitch, go home"
>>73605056716? Yes.15? No. It's one of her weaker OSTs. Her KH stuff blows FF13 out of the water
>>736050564You have to be 18 to post here.Again, what you described is Riviera.
>>736050601okay, i'm the guy that you initially was supposed to respond to. how does any of that say "spoonfeed me" to you
>>736050660>It's one of her weaker OSTs.She only wrote some of the tracks on it. You can tell which ones aren't hers pretty easily, they have a very different style.
>>736050601>I appreciate that you noticed that it probably wasn't aimed at you but decided to clapback anyway.It's just that needlessly explaining the terminology is an argument I've heard too many times. No one had an issue with the terminology until zoomers came around. It's an interesting premise, but ultimately it ends up being inconsequential to the game outside of the player needing to know that "focus" is a thing that exists. And reading the post that your comment was apparently directed at doesn't make sense either. It's just not an interesting world. The characters aren't interesting. The fal'Cie thing is kinda interesting, but outside of setting up the story where everyone whines about their problems, it's basically useless information anyway.
yes but consider thisSTEPPPPPPPPP INTO THE RAINBOW FIND ANOTHER VIEW CHASE THAT TENDER LIGHT
>>736050660that's wild you think 16 is better than 13march of the dreadnaughts and sunleth waterscape are better than anything in 16>>736050717tell me which ones were hers compared to the ones not hers
>>736050671I am double 18, anon. And I've never played Riviera. I already told you. I described Final Fantasy XIII. You even get stars on the combat victory screen. It's basically a glorified on-rails arcade game where you barely even play the combat that you spend the entire game walking down a straight line to get to the next "level" of.
>>736050697You're blaming the game for your own lack of interest while admitting that there is plenty of the thing to presumably be interested in (lore, in this case). So, you wanted the game to present it to you in a more engaging way, as you would define engaging. Dictionary spoonfeeding.
The only good track in XIII is Gapra Whitewood. It's an okay soundtrack, I don't hate it, it has its own "tone", but Gapra Whitewood is good and everything else merely fits within its own game, nothing more.
>>736050857>You're blaming the game for your own lack of interestNot that guy, but yes, it is the game's fault for not being interesting.
>>736050792>sunleth waterscape themebased for me its https://youtu.be/7XzQYyNv1z4
>>736050759>No one had an issue with the terminology until zoomersI don't know how seriously to take you.>And reading the post that your comment was apparently directed at doesn't make sense either. It's just not an interesting world. The characters aren't interesting. Feels like a case of you insisting things are true just because you said them, even though they're not.
>>736050857 I'm blaming the game for not giving the slightest chance of piqueing my interest. How is it spoonfeeding to wish for it to be more engaging with its lore and storytelling.
>>736025307I beat it 4 times when it was new.No, it's not.
>>736050806>Omnis LacrimaHer>HammerheadNot herhttps://www.neogaf.com/threads/final-fantasy-xv-original-sountrack-track-by-track-credits.1350988/
>>736050817> I've never played Riviera.Maybe you could actually make a judgment if you had. As someone who's played both, I'm certain I'm correct.
>>736050817>36yo and still here and bragging about agewhat the fuck is with some of you lol
>>736051138>>736050979Sometimes things should be spoonfed. Maybe XIII should have. I happen to think it didn't need to. None of that changes the fact that you were asking for spoonfeeding.Also don't samefag.
>>736051505You hold a very, very different definition to spoonfeeding than what is most commonly considered.
>>736051457>He didn't get the memo
A surprising amount of anons in this thread have played a game they claim dislike multiple times, whats up with that? I understand sticking to the end due to not wanting to leave the game unfinished but if you truly didn't like it why replay it at all?
>>736050857all I want is something that ties more into game mechanics than "autoclip has been updated, please read)
>>736044626>Female lead for the first timewho is the main character of FFVI
>>736051837and ユーナ is everybit of a lead in X as ティーダ is.
>>736051638You'll have to explain.
>>736049702No single FF got big orchestra concerts dedicated to it, unless you count that limited run FFVII concert they were doing when they revealed the FFVII Remake trailer. The big FF orchestra concerts are Dear Friends and Distant Worlds, and they cover the entire series not just one game.And for the record, I've been to Distant Worlds twice and they played FFXIII music both times. You know what they didn't play? FFXII music, that one gets neglected more than any of them for some reason. They even play songs from the MMOs and the 2D 8-bit/16-bit era, but not FFXII kek.
>>736052069First you have to explain what it is that you mean by spoonfeeding, because anything and everyhthing I would say here you would say as asking to be spoonfed.
>>736051798>Futuristic world>Literally shop at floating computers>Game is expressly set-up to streamline-out exposition, all of the characters are of this world and act as if they are of this world (other than saying, "We're l'Cie! Enemies of Cocoon, remember?!" a lot)>Somehow it doesn't make sense that the lore-explainer wouldn't come in the form of in-game WikipediaIt could have been more explicitly diegetic, or someone could have said, "Hey, make sure your Logger is running so that we can look up what's happened in the Datalog if we ever get lost!" or something. But most people didn't seem to have a problem with the situating of the Datalog within the world so much as they resented having to read. Which goes back to my earlier points.
>>736052246Narrator: Ironically, anon had already explained what he meant by spoonfeeding in >>736050857. He soon realized that he was dealing with an elaborate ruse that sought to frustrate him with "spoonfeeding inception." >Spoonfeed me the definition of spoonfeeding.
>>736052380>Hey, make sure your Logger is running so that we can look up what's happened in the Datalog if we ever get lost!well that does sound like a rebirth chadley that most people want to just shut up. Maybe it is in part the "fish out of water experience", like I wanted to explire spira with tida, but on thirteen I kinda didn't care. Actually I did want to go to his "hell" called pulse that seemed so interesting but the words "protect cocoon" were uttered so many times that it got really really annoying
>>736051424I can describe one game and it can be accurate, even if you think it's also accurate of a game I haven't played.
>>736052583>narrator: dude doesn't know what his words mean so he defaults to blame the other partytextbookally american
>>736051505I don't samefag.
>>736052784Brother neither do I although we ave different themes
>>736052784>>736052860This is sad.
>>736052972What's sad is someone who think that everyone who says something he doesn't like is samefagging.
>>736052972what is really sad is that you actually that think we are the same guy, all because we don't follow your personal definition of a word
>>736035372>I love the combat in the series, people who complain the game is playing itself were either playing on an easy difficulty or didn't get very far in any of the games.I beat FF13 and 13-2. The game is>Dive bomb HP slamming auto-attack with COM/RAV/RAV into jugglesThe whole game.You might throw in>Buff/Debuff (SAB/other class, forgetting) to haste and debuff as neededBut the entire game is "dive bomb."The combat could've been interesting if there was a reason to use more than RAV/COM for juggling.Light Returns/FF13-3 tries to fix this, but runs into it's own share of issues (and is the one I tapped out of, I should go back but I hate timed mechancis) due to the chronostatis spam to get the "best"/intended ending.
>>736052779>The subject of the narrator's statement in >>736052583 was the writer of the post>Anon in >>736052779 copies the structure, implying the same of his narratorWell. You're more introspective than I'd previously gathered, at least. Admitting that you were wrong is a good first step, I'm proud of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PijzIDM-n4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uncwKFZflS0
>>736053016>>736053040...Dammit, Barry, it's you, isn't it? Don't you have better things to do?
>>736053246Will To Fight is a fucking masterpiece.
>>736025307I was actually thinking I need to try FFXIII again, but with the original Japanese voice acting.Back in those days I really didn't know any better and even if games had a Japanese audio option (which they rarely did) I would play with English voices.I remember really not liking some of the characters, but if their voices actually fit their characters, rather than sounding like literal faggots there's good chances my opinion could be different this time
>>736053262You're just a schizo. No wonder.
>>736053353It's not all too different, snow is a bit less annoying but you still want to brutally murder him everytime he opens his mouth.
>>736047829Type-0 was better was the mobile gacha game, unironically. At least then the war-time setting was better used than "oops, war is going but we aren't being called to the front!" teen-drama bullshit they pulled off in Type-0 ("Agito 13").The whole FNC attempt killed the series. It's a good thing the "Ivalice Alliance" wasn't as raped, because good god could you imagine how much Square would fuck Ivalice?
>>736053387Says the guy posting as two people.
>>736053643We are two separate people, schizo.
>>736053643You keep telling me that I am him, when in fact I am not.
>>736030270>>SaGa>>GoodCorrect, it BTFO'd all of FF
>>736053716>>736053767That's exactly how a schizo guy would act.
>>736025307shit game with good musicXIII-2 mogs it
It's not the case of being spoonfed all, WoFF trickles you with some lore in an interesting manner.You find key items that you along the way. I'ts actually kinda cute how these entries evolve.
>>736053480My memory is really vague, but I know I really disliked Lightening. Japan almost always does "tough girl" voices way better where it practically changes the whole character to me though, so I hope I can at least find her somewhat endearing this time.(In English they always make them sound like gruff dykes or something where in Japan at least they almost always retain way more of their femininity)
>>736025307>XIII is a good gameanyone who says this has literally nothing going on in their head.
>>736054353Yeah probably, I've heard that the Anglosphere sometimes considers 2B to be bitchy which seems very weird to me, but that is mostly because of the dub I also hear. Just be glad that the package includes japanese VAs like was puzzling for one guy in this image of the best RPG of all time. It's still puzzling to me that I have to mod in japanese texts to the Dragon quest XI release
>>736053986One of these days I'll play through the original titles but my damn 3DS doesn't want to emulate the wonderswan at full speed.
>>736042901>The protagonist is a woman who explicitly hates the idea of straight marriage thoughwhat?
>>736055536just another (sadly increasingly common) case of media illiteracy
>>736042901They're American (with roots in France and Germany) except for the two people from Australindia.
>>736025307Honestly, I think people were spoiled back then and couldn't appreciate it for what it was.
>>736025307I think the fal'cie mecha gods were a cool concept and I was pumped to kill em all one by one but they were kinda just... there? I wish they had more agency and showed up more in the story>the point of fal'cie is that they don't have agency which is why they make l'cieok then have more pulse l'cie in the story, have one or a group of them assosiated with each fal'cie I have a problem with there not being many human characters too so I guess that'll solve that.
>>736056078nyymi... nolo
>>736056621>pulse l'ciewoops i meant cocoon l'cie
>>73602545713-2 is great but the PC port is garbage
FF13 is so fucking bad it should be taught as a specific example of how NOT to make a JRPG to any dev working on one.
>>736056926Hm. We should probably teach FFXIII in schools.
>>736053353>>736054353Played first time in EN and recently in JP and can attest, yes she's a thousand times better. Kuudere is the impossible dere for localizers for some reason, I remember thinking the exact same things you said when listening to her differences and with 2B in Nier. Hope is also demonstrable better, which helps for most of the people who despised him. Vanille is take or leave if you want that accent. I guess the real downside is if you want a real nigga voice or the Japanese nigga voice. Replaying also made me really appreciate everything that much more. The whole f'lcie l'cie word vomit just clicks and the gaps between the story beats felt a lot smaller than I recalled them being. Won't defend it as an amazing game - think 13-2 has more upsides than it - but I'll still it was the last mainline that had the classic elements.
>>736057446in regards to the "f'lcie l'cie word vomit" I never understood why it was an issue, maybe its because I read the datalogs pretty often (i like reading lore/character bio snippets in any game with them) but they were incredibily easy to understandfal'cie = big floating god thingl'cie = soilders of floating god thing given powers and forced to do their biddingcie'th = zombie thing you turn into when you're a l'cie and don't do as your toldI would understand if there was an entire dictionary of strange ingame terms that were never explained but THREE words with definitions you could absolutely intuit within an hour of gameplay is outragous. FF13 has a hundred flaws and naming conventions really isn't one of them.
>>736057446>The whole f'lcie l'cie word vomit just clicksI swear, anyone who had difficulty with this has zero grasp of language as a fundamental concept and simply memorized their own language without actually understanding it.
>>73602530713 is just hallways with battles, nothing else. The stagger combat is also what SE keeps reusing, not realizing its dogshit and not fun. The story is also garbage.
>>736028320Its the game that put the final nail into FF's coffin, by taking every aspect of FF that there was left and throwing it to trash and setting it on fire
>>736056621>>736056742The characters in XIII are good, but the story isn't, and improvements like the ones you and a few other people in the thread have suggested would have made it way better. It was really surprising that Jihl never got l'Cie'd, in particular.If they ever do a remake, we really do need more time in Cocoon and probably fighting Sanctum l'Cie.
>>736058078Yeah i never got the complaining about it. Like, fantasy stories having their own words and nomenclatures have been a thing...forever?
>>736057446>I guess the real downside is if you want a real nigga voice or the Japanese nigga voice.Might Guy is cool but the English Sazh VA took a character who was kind of a joke and made him the most likable and empathetic.
>>736058261>hallways with battlesit's ok when atlus does it for 30 years
>>736058616Theyre actually just cuckolding words. L sea. They’re saying girls aren’t having sex. They put this type of thing into all the slave games to kill men. Women have been engaging in a practice known as necromancy, where they confine souls into animated flesh and bone. They actually eat their children and enjoy much longer lives and way more fulfilling. Women make the games, they’re almost like a hive mind entity who have domesticated males as animals and slaughter them for food.
>>736059204seek help
>>736025307Why do you faggots keep posting about this god awful game. It's the 2nd worst FF game behind FF16.
>>736058885but he was never a joke unless you view a black guy as a joke inherently
>>736059360Youre partly responsible if you disagree with anything I say. We’ve had thousands of years to stop the suffering. Now, we have a real plan. Merely kill every woman. They can’t summon more humans when they’re dead. Humans are not being asked if they consent to working for no payment in exchange for pedophile women who want to touch their ass when they’re kids.
if the story didnt just throw 800 terms at you and spend so much time having the parties wonder what their purpose even was 13 would have been considered goated.
>>736058968>comparing DRPG to JRPGHonestly if FF13 was DRPG with actual difficulty and resource management it could be pretty good actually
>>736060773it kinda wants to be with the whole game practically being a dungeon but the problem is that there's no resource management at all
>>736058261Stop posting.
>>736059621He's a bit of a joke in the Japanese version. Again, they got Might Guy's seiyuu and wrote him as the "NANJYA KORE WA" guy. The English version is way more grounded.
>>736061179He felt like a grounding rod to me to, I'm not aware of what the seiyuu may have previously voiced
>>736025457Whilst I 100% acknowledge 13-2 as being the better game I genuinely fucking loathe it. It has better gameplay but everything else is worse.Monsters are interesting for a period but you miss having the full party of characters with you.The only character to survive being assassinated in Xiii-2 was Vanille because of the Oerba stuff. Lightning is full girlboss/jobber, Snow LEFT HIS WIFE, Hope is a fuckboy, Serah is a slut, Sazh is comic relief... And the new characters are kinda just lame. Main villain has a design and a fun voice but I couldn't tell you a single thing about Noel which is horrible to say when we only have two characters this game.The story is a jumbled mess and the zones aren't interesting to see develop. X-2, the game everyone hates, did this concept better.Music is bluntly worse than 13 but there are a handful of standout tracks. Not many.Even graphically I'd say the game looks and feels worse. XIII is an amazing looking game and doesn't show its age at all.
>>736026987came to post this lol
>>736059204Interesting, but you sound very retarded. What about women who are fucked too, and the males who live better than them? Makes a lot more sense if the hivemind is a select group of men and women, and even then, I'm pretty sure gangstalking as a phenomenon for example isn't conscious on the part of the assailants, like the hive just puppeteers their bodies in ways that are imperceptible to them but seem deliberate to the sad fucker being targeted. Same goes for apparent meme magick, it's probably just humans fucking themselves for lacking the neocortextual power to not insert cursed shit into their own shit, with or without L sea influence.>>736059360Cie'th kek
>>736025457I just found 13-2 to be very comfy. I fucking loved the monster catching and using them in the party, and I did so much chocobo racing.
>>736025457The worst thing about 13-2 is that it's a sequel to 13.
>>736025457People don't say this enough but it's true. Ff 13-2 was also the last great FF game. May the series rest in peace. Good post. I also loved the monster catching in this title.
>>736061662I kinda get what you mean, it's better across the board while also being worse, also across the board. But just having your systems available early on makes it better in my opinion, I just wish that there were some non-DLC secret bosses to try you your hand at raising the biggest and baddest monster. Also hate what they did with the accessories, XIII actually had a pretty cool system with each one belonging to a class that would give you benefits if multiple were equipped. They really should've expanded on it instead of scrapping it.
>>736061356https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzfEMwWTNwQI don't know what point you're trying to make here. It's well established that the guy who kept a chicken in his afro and frequently posed like a walking cactus was written to be, to some degree, comedy relief, and his Japanese voice actor was cast to that end. His English voice actor did amazing work turning that character into just relief - from the craziness of the story and from the melodramatic characters he was surrounded by. The Japanese VA is grounding in a different way, and a slightly more offensive one. Reno Wilson gave Sazh a coolness and dignity the other guy didn't have.
I don't really think of 13-2 as a sequel to 13. It feels more like 13 is a stand alone and then you have 13-2 and LR as a duology. 13 was far more grounder and didn't have the strange time warp and goddess shite.
>>736025307>Popular streamer plays and enjoys FF13>Suddenly shill posts on /v/i'm nooticing
>>736061662XIII-2 is thrown together from scraps that didn't make it into XIII, as far as art assets go. Which is why it's so screwy visually. What they did to the battle UI is a travesty.LR is thrown together from scraps of the PS3 Versus XIII. That's why it looks the worst, it's literally made of parts of a completely different game cobbled into something that could be sold as a new world.
>>736062434I wasn't making any point really, at most commenting on his character without any added load that his voice may have for some audience. He's the usual straight man of the group.
>>736025307>almost at the bump limitsurely the game couldn't be that bad if it's still getting that much attention, a true shitter would've hit page 10 in like 5mins. A better question is what is up with all the attention 13 is getting lately and I don't just mean on /v/
>>736062515Which streamer? 13 has gotten shit ever since it released. Only in the past few years have people started to be kinder to it. Y'know, once we started to get genuinely bad Final Fantasy games.
>>736062670It's a prime game for argument attraction since it has always been pretty contested
>>736062583That's the thing, he's sort of the boke in Japanese, which is the opposite of the straight man.
>>736062670>Shit game that has a reputation for being shit, both in and out of the franchise>Not the latest release anymore and later entries are divisive at best>Has some shitty waifus>Zoomers that grew up with it start to post moreIt's the perfect storm for some dogshit game apologetics
>>736026640>Libra>SYN SAB MED>COM RAV RAV>COM COM COMDidn't even need to use SEN unless there was some telegraphed attack
>>736025307it has insane pacing issues which is funny considering they streamlined everything... running around in the same backrounds for several hours doing the same fights is just boring
>>736062672I don't know who that anon is talking about but Preach had the best critical opinions of FF13 I've seen. He was an MMO streamer that liked FF14 and played the whole series since he never played any of them. He made like 11 videos of his thoughts each day he played.
>>736062670It's not a very good game. But it sold well. And it was decent enough that most people who played it finished it. I think it's being brought up because of these new memes about games from 15 years ago looking better than what we have now.
>>736049863I've played every mainline FF game multiple times, except XVI, I haven't replayed that one yet.
>>736064692>except XVIXIII, XV and XVI never got a replay from me, XV I'll replay again one day, it was a fairly shit game but it did have heart at times and I liked the bros. XVI had a decent enough story but absolute cancer questing.
>>736025307I actually enjoyed 13 when it was linear. The story was interesting as it hit major story beat one after the other.
>>736064874Fucking finally, someone gets it.
>>736064692>I've played every mainline FF game multiple timesHighly unlikely. You said FFX doesn't have towns, NPCs, or things to do outside of combat. You also think FFX doesn't have better music than XIII, which is I guess down to taste, but I don't know how anyone could think XIII's is better than X's.
>>736064874Not getting all your skills until the game is ending sucks dick.
Bump limit!
13 fucked up the minute I realized that for the story to make more sense than just trying prevent getting turned to stone required reading the menus instead of the developers showing it through the game.
>>736065418Final Fantasy XIII is powerful. It's late, but its time has come.
>>736052190XII does not really have any tracks that work well just as music. Love the game, but i don't remember any tracks from it that I'd add to my playlist.
What the fuck was up with the stupid huge optional textures for 13-2 pc version when the difference is absolutely minimal?
>>736057803>>736058078It's not difficulty more so a resistance to the terms and I think it comes from 3 simple reasons. The first being they're just too phonetically similar. I get if it was {long word} + cie suffix but La and Fal do nothing to convey any major differences. Blitzball? It's some fucking sport I guess. Materia? Okay I get that. c'ieth? In English please? But the second issue is more of the root problem - it's dumped in the middle of a media res scene that does very little to properly depict the scale of everything. >It's a god!!But all you see is a big disco dildo being carried by some planes and then being pulverized by some dinky looking soldier tech>You're a l'cie, a thrall of these gods!!Oh but not those zombie thingies yes a fal'cie makes l'cie who become cie'th, keep it straight and don't think too hard about Pulse, Pulse Vestige, Caccoon, Focus, Purge, Brands, and the name 9 different characters.It's the same reason I always laughed the game wants you to feel shocked about the purge>It's a genocide!!But the cutscene is showing all these space ships shooting and trains derailing and we're zooming in those pits I mean hair physics and now you've got a guy acting like it's a Tuesday with some banter and it's like, how serious is this? How imposing are these l'cie -fuck I mean fal'cie?
>>736062670>a true shitter would've hit page 10 in like 5mins.XV and XVI can barely hold it up at all
>>736066403>but La and Fal do nothing to convey any major differencesYou've already demonstrated that what I described applies to you.
>>736062670>surely the game couldn't be that bad if it's still getting that much attentionIt's not terrible, but it's not very good. It's also "still" not getting "that much attention". Recently, someone has decided to spam XIII threads on the catalogue. No one talked about this game for like over a decade.
>>736064982Who cares when the only thing to use them on is a fucking reskinned Adamantoise as a "superboss"
>>736066965Oh God don't remind me. I was so excited after putting 300 hours into X. What fucking endgame. Worst ff ever and that's the reason.
