>>736040404good
Is it time for big corpo to admit video games aren't as profitable as they thought they were?
>>736040404i thought they shut down that studio years ago.
>>736040404oh yeah, eidos montreal, they worked on...?
>>736040820Escape From Duckov, a top down Tarkov spoof, sold 3+ million copies in less than a month. There's millions to be made but they want to make millions.
they got to make 2.5 deus ex games and some DLCs, people liked it, that is fair let some new schizo blood have a chance
>>736040820Gay nigger sex propaganda money dried up now that focus shifted to dying for Israel.
>>736040927*billions (minor spelling mistake)
Did Embracer buy them after the Square-Enix fire sale a few years back? Or was it Tencent?
>>736040820skill issue, it's selling pixels to the entire world
>>736040404S
Go woke go bro-ACCCCCCK
>>736040918
i still don't know how these devs are still in business after the guardian of the galaxy flop
>>736040404they could have made a big booba lara croft game with 124 people
>>736040820They are, you just can't put woke stuff in it.
>>736040404Go woke go broke(Note: all of western civilization has become woke)
>>736040820somehow, the japs and chinks figured it out
>>736041909Eidos Montreal isn't working on Fable, what are you talking about? That's a MS studio in London currently ruining that game.
wow, more people are really changing their pronouns to non/buynary
>>736040404they only have been doing woke slop since forever where all the white guys were lame comic relief and emasculated losers who spend the entire game getting rescued, insulted and beaten up by girlbosses.
>>736040404>macho gaming era >fewer layoffs, huge revenue, bright future, no denuvo>woke gaming era > wave of layoffs, no money, bleak future, denuvo imposed (and for nothing, lol)
>>736042254you're not white
>>736040820nope, retarded shareholders and executives still think they are on the covid boom train
Apologize
>>736040820It's easy: stop making shit games.
>>736040820They can be profitable, if you fucking make games that gamers want to play.Western devs don't want to do that, so the layoffs will continue until profits improve.
>>736040927it's so dumb, these companies could coast forever if they didn't have to chase the line for shareholders. ford vs dodge ruined the world by making it so companies MUST answer shareholders and do what's best for them. the world would instantly heal if that was repealed.
>>736040404Adios
They need that money so they can give 30 million to consulting companies instead. Surely the last few flops was because they didn't pay enough.
>>736042003*Laughs in Baldurs Gate 3*
>>736040820Relying on DEI grants, usaids, government funding, and over hiring after pandemic has simply just been unsustainable corporations are just cashing out now.
>>736042198Apparently they are working on Fable, as a support studio along with some work on Grounded 2.https://www.gamesradar.com/games/rpg/finally-confirming-reports-deus-ex-studio-and-rpg-veterans-are-helping-the-fable-4-team-craft-an-unforgettable-adventure/
>>736042810Fuck me, I guess they are working on Fable. >craft an unforgettable adventureYeah, and unforgettably ugly adventure
>>736040404They have been dead since Embracer bought them
>>736040404ack
>>736042003>everything that failed was woke>everything that succeeds is based
french canadiennes work?
>>736042579It will never happen because investment banks are all the big government donors too.
>>736040404well, now it's truly over for mankind divided
>>736044703Good riddance. MD wasn't that great and I'd play HR over it any day.
Good
>>736045096HR only good point is that it's actually a finished game kek, MD it's superior in everything else
>>736045497>MD>superiorHere are the shitty things that are worse in MD than HR>Jensen looks like he has terminal cancer>your pilot/partner is this ugly homonuculus with fetal alcohol syndrome>final boss is somehow worse than HR's, which was already bad>final level is a complete wet fart>villains and their plot are Temu quality>gunplay is as bad as HR (no improvements)>abilities are uninteresting>Prague isn't nearly as fun as the locations in the original gameAnd so on. The best thing MD had over HR is the environment art was pretty kino. That was it.
>>736040404>tfw the industry is dying
>>736042354>bright futureNot the case to anyone who actually knew the industry.
So where do all these employees go?
>>736046407not the company's problem
>>736046407On benefits
>>736046265Hard to take that graph seriously when you realize 2/3s of a AAA's budget is in advertising.
get wokego broke
>>736046852that makes it even worse compared to pre 360 era
>>736040820Somehow everything was fine until finance capital got its mits on every company. Maybe something to do with having to make games people actually want to buy?
>>736046852modern day marketing is cheap as fuck, just pay some streamers 1k, easy
I hope they lay me off working for AAA is miserable.
>>736047092It's probably just a question of when, not if at this point. Unless you're in a hard to fill role like UI or specialized programming.
>>736046407other game studios
>>736040404All I wanted was the third Jensen game, but no, marvel slop and the gay as shit fable.
>>736040820this is objectively true
>>736047092If you were a white man you would have been fired already too bad for you now you have to work until you die
>>736045904>Jensen looks like he has terminal canceryeah he's a clone so he looks weird>abilities are uninterestingThe augments were fun. I liked the blade and teleporting one. Slow mo was cool for noscopes and shooting grenades. >Prague isn't nearly as fun as the locations in the original gameHuh? Verticality was the shit bro. Bank level is the GOAT.Everything else i agree with.Side quests > Main quests
>>736047541>MD Jensen is a cloneqrd me on this, bro
>>736042579>le ford vs dodgeWhy are redditor such huge retards?
>>736040404>buy gorrilion studios >lay off tons of people and shut down studios embracer is such a trainwreckweren't they rugpulled by the saudis?
>>736047515What if you don't spend $300 million making a video game
>>736047846you get PS3 graphics and most big publishers and consumers don't want that
>>736047794>Weren't they rugpulled by the Saudis?I think they were hoping on a bigger investment from the Saudis that never came through, and bet their asses on getting it only to be left exposed when it didn't happen.>>736047846Then you can sell way less and still not be financially ruined. If Marathon only cost $50m to make, they wouldn't be doomed like they are now.
>>736040820They were, back when they took 2 or 3 years to make, not almost a decade.
>>736047846Py vey how dare you crunch your devs wait till the Independent Press hears about it
>>736040820It's time to admit corpos suck shit at making games
>>736047846Shareholders would get pissy.
>>736042003>>736042672>>736044348Not everything that fails is woke and not everything that succeeds is based. There's based games that flop and woke games that succeed. But averages average out via the law of large numbers. The exceptions are just that.
>>736047632nta, but his original (or one of many) body can be found inside VersaLife's vault in some sort of cryo coffinhe might've been replaced between DXHR and DXMD, as he says in the game, the more he tries to remember, the fuzzier it getstl;dr the clone lives with implanted memories
>>736048309>Versalife's vaultYou mean in the bank in MD? In that big container in the vertical vault thing where you have to go inside? I don't remember seeing one in there.
>>736040404I'll never stop looking
>>736048426There's a mission where you have to choose: go to the bank and find a vault with important secrets before it's moved, or stop a cyber suicide cult that wants to transfer their minds to the internets. You cannot do both.
>>736048730Yeah, and I always choose the bank because the cult one sucks dick in comparison. I'll just find some wiki articles about it, idk
What has Eidos even done recently?
>>736047632>og adam is dead in the intro movie after blowing up panchea in HR. he's face down in the water.>in a meeting with sarif, adam says memories of his past are blurred>dlc mission is brainwashing visualized with the psychologist Delara. you can hear her speak in the telecoms throughout the level. this >>736048309>adam is being followed by a lady in red>in the heist quest, janus hints something else is in the vault. its og adam in the box.>clone adam has darker lenses, og adam has bright yellow ones>clone adam has cheap augments, og adam has high quality augments>clone adam looks uncanny valley, his face looks like it was molded>in eliza mission, eliza hints that something is off about adam.>>736048426You gotta use the EMP grenades and (I think?) the vision aug to see inside the box window. You can see Adams face.Im still mad we aint getting a MD sequel.
>>736048989Thanks anon. I also found a post on Steam forums with a lot of good detail about it, and stuff from the official books:>https://steamcommunity.com/app/337000/discussions/0/343785380897795568/?ctp=7>I'm still mad we aint getting a MD sequelMe too, because I think Eidos' plan was always for the Nu Deus Ex to be a trilogy, but it cost too much money and after Square-Enix sold them cheap, it was definitely dead.
>>736040820Its time to admit that making games into woke political propaganda tools didnt make people buy their games
>>736047941Look at Expedition 33
>>736042371sure ranjeet
>>736049230an E33 that was a 7 or 8/10 instead of a 10/10 wouldve flopped and i know this because theres a dozen of those every year
>>736049230funded by a billionaire
>>736040820Woke isnt profitable vidya is
>>736040404Maybe they should try actually making games if they're struggling financially. They've released literally nothing in 5 years.
>>736040404They fucked up when they decided to recycle Jensen in MD. Should've went with a new character and a new story.
>>736049703Everything beautiful you ever enjoyed or seen throughout history was the result of an extremely rich person graciously giving his wealth to someone lesser to make something amazing. Crying about billionaires is just sour grapes.
>>736047941MGS4 looks better than 95% of nu games.
>>736049610E33 was a 6/10 game tho.
Those "job creators" sure are firing a lot of people recently.
>>736050286Billionaires didn't exist back then.
>>736050286I wouldn't mind as much if modern day billionaires actually did shit like fund indie/small teams to make their crazy, probably unprofitable game ideas come to life.
>>736047794Some Saudis were interested in buying them. The retards at embracer thought that they could just bloat the hell out of themselves buying all those nearly bankrupt studios to get more money from the Saudis. The Saudis weren't retarded though, and refused to buy the bloated mess that Embracer had become. Now Embracer is fucked.
>>736049703>>736050286It's not true, you fags. They made a demo while working their regular jobs and then applied for funding from Kepler. There is nothing stopping you from doing that, except that you don't have a regular job.
>>736046852they should pull a cinema and hide the marketing budget from the production budget
>>736050696Replace 'Embracer' in this post with 'Ubisoft' and it's still true. Neat.
>>736040820$300M games for women and lgbt aren't profitable? No way
>>736050750>nepobaby from one of the richest families in France>gets a major job at Ubisoft due to connections>quits and gets millions in funding from a NetEase front >also gets funding ans support from Epic Games>hires major Hollywood talent with said millions >game is packed with Freemason themes for some reason>muh small indie studio
>>736050750+5 izzat 300 rupees have been added to your bank accountbloddy basterd
>>736047362yeah, i hear ubisoft is hiring
>>736051020So what you're saying is we need more rich nepo babies making games? I agree.
don't worry leftsisters we still can find 1 woke game that had some success and say that is rule and not the exception
>>736051278No, that's not what I said.
>>736051278If it results in weird or novel stuff, sure, I don't care if it comes from some inbred circle of rich kids using their parents' money.
>>736051279Wokeness as a vague concept is a red herring anyway. BG3 had a lot of degeneracy but it still had hot women, and all the fetishes were authentic to the taste of the writers who added them in. When people complain about wokeness it's almost always inauthentic corporate mandated shit that doesn't appeal to anyone, not even to thr people who made the game to begin with.
>>736049703It was funded to the tune of under 10mil though
>>736047794Thats why this is happening, the deal actually fell through as they were on their way to sign it. The purchased a lot of stuff because it was essentially a done deal.
>>736040404There goes my last hope for Deus Ex I didn't know I still had.
>>73604685220/3rds correctionIs all fucking Human Resources faggotry, Marketing and Lawyers because of retarded women calling "Mysogny" if the bitches gets called out for being wrong.
>>736050286there are more millionaires ans billionaires than ever before and yet art is at its lowest
>>736042354We need to start handing out free testosterone tests. Being weird is good for the arts, but what we have going on right now clearly isn't. Masculine justice-based morality (feminine morality is why stories suck now), masculine vitality and sturdiness, and love of the male fantasy (feminine focus is also why stories suck now) need to remain intact, and the men need to wear the pants. There's a reason why Elon calls it "the mind virus". It's because a lot of the people who have it used to be way more reasonable, intelligent, and fun. Part of it is the natural escalation of an incoherent ideology that needs oppression to exist and had to go insane in the late 00s in order to avoid evaporating into thin air and losing a lot of grifters and other parasites a lot of money and privilege, but I wonder how much of it has to do with the plummeting testosterone levels. Given the hipster diet, they might be the worst hit.>They grew up.They let their souls get devoured by the petty games of narcissistic, controlling women and their thralls. Anyone who refers to that as "growing up" is identifying himself as the problem.To begin with, what is a grownup if not someone who does what's necessary in order take care of his place of income? The way that the industry has been acting over the past 15 years has been anything but grownup.
>>736040836might as well have done so>Eidos Montreal released the new deus ex and tomb raider games>square enix sells Eidos and Crystal Dynamics to Embracer Group because they thought they were the reasons for their own titles sold badly>Embracer Group releases failure after failure like Saints Row>proceeds to scale back all projects
>>736052606Their logic makes no sense. Other games are always competing with SE's internal games, not just Deus Ex or Tomb Raider. And even if they sell the IPs, then they'll still compete with Deus Ex and Tomb Raider if the one they sell to makes games out of those IPs, which is the intent behind buying them
>>736053054Square Enix are retards, that's why they're in the sorry state they are today
>>736052606Squeenix is a ridiculously retarded company.
>>736053054It seems pretty clear they wanted Eidos off their books because they couldn't afford to keep paying them. Remember, Embracer got all of Eidos for some really cheap price of just a hundred million or so, and that included Eidos Montreal and Crystal Dynamics. And >>736053145 >>736053419 are also right that Square is run by morons who have no idea what players want and keep letting their veteran employees do these disastrous multi year vanity projects that cost a fortune but don't get sales. (Like the FF7 remake.)
>>736047941what do publishers even do?can you self publish?
>>736053603Publishers:>pay development costs>do the marketing>usually do shit like HR, payroll, and legal>handle the physical stuff like if your game is going to have a collector's edition or get pressed onto a disc/put in a cartridgeThey're the money men and they do the non-dev stuff, basically.
>>736053491At the time I felt like Microsoft was more interested in getting Tomb Raider and Deus Ex, and that was probably the plan at some point, but the acquisition became impossible due to the Activision-Blizzard purchase going forward. Embrwcer was probably their second option.
Square Enix was 100% correct to dump them.Why keep paying for these money-sinking gaijins unless you're running a non-profit? absolute waste of capital.
>>736053603>what do publishers even do?Money.
>>736053917Nu Tomb Raider and Human Reovlution were doing really well. The new Hitman games were also good despite the episodic shit thay SE forced on them. Marvel's Avengers is what really fucked the whole thing.
>>736054041>Nu Tomb Raider and Human Reovlution were doing really well.Ehh, the first Nu-Raider did well, RotTR was hamstrung by being an Xbone exclusive at launch, and Shadow was a flop according to Squeenix.Now, Squeenix is retarded, so their idea of a flop is probably also retarded, but Shadow "only" did maybe 12 million lifetime sales, which for a Tomb Raider game is nothing special.
>>736040927I would go beyond that and say, There's millions to be made but they just want the millions and got no undestanding how to make a product make millions.FOMO and GAAS can only get you so far, we've hit the plateau on that a feel years ago, now we only see actual good games make millions, but that requires talent, passion, public undestanding and persistence, and they only have persistence and nothing else...
>>736040404>make well received (and profitable) games like Tomb Raider and Deus Ex>forced to make Marvelslop games that fail>finally start making Deus Ex again>get sold to Embracer>new Deus Ex game cancelled>nothing but supporting other studios for 6 years>~25% of people firedwhat a fucking shitshow, and a total waste of a decent developers and IP
>>736054514Reminds me a lot of what happened to Rocksteady under WB. Retarded execs really need to be put in those wood things where you throw tomatoes and stuff at them.
>>736040927Remeber Call of Battlefield 6 being 6 Billion (with a B) sales EA wanted?
>>736054331>Shadow was a flop according to SqueenixIt underperformed but it still sold 4 million copies at launch. The franchise was still strong despite everything. Mankind Divided could have also been fixed easily. They could have made a big DLC that actually finished the story, then release a Director's Cut of the game.
>>736054331Do those "sales" numbers even include the copies they gave away for free? lolI bet the average price paid for those 12 million copies was like $3.
>>736054638The problem with the Deus Ex games was that they took an army of people at Eidos to make, even with outsourcing. Hundreds and hundreds of devs for multiple years. That's why they had to sell a gorillion copies just to break even. And this was ten years ago. Just imagine how bad things have gotten now.
>>736054331Shadows story is complete ass.
>>736054951And the Square meddling with retarded preorder exclusives and demands to add multiplayer didn't help. Not to forget the Aug lives matter shit.
>>736055293I've still got a pic somewhere of the retarded table they had that showed what versions and DLC you had to get to get different content.
>>736040820Or at least stop trying to chase after online live-service addiction money.
>>736054951They could make a mid budget Deus Ex now.
>>736046852>expos are largely dead>nobody watches tv>adblockers dominate web browsing>social media is where 90% of people get their advertising now>somehow need hundreds of millions to hit the upload button
>>736056225Could you imagine how kino a modern Deus Ex would be using the OG Unreal 2000 engine? They can even get that original composer back since he was making news in Twitter about not being able to find work, lol
>>736054514It's crazy how that Avengers game pretty much screwed everyone that was involved in it
>>736042672Baldur's Gate 3 also has nudity you can access straight from the start and sex, people are sometimes willing to overlook wokeness if it's also serving the horny agenda.
>>736056527A lot of dad gamers aren't all that tech savvy and will also hang out in places where there's a TV playing something.The problem for western AAA is that dad gamers are busy, not stupid, and they'll eventually notice that the last few games that they bought because of rave critic reviews were boring and unpleasant.
>>736056660Got a link? I've always been curious about that guy. Even back then, good mod music wasn't in every game. The ones that stood out to me were DX and the Crusader games from Origin.
>>736040404Have they even made anything since that avengers game
>>736056660Tell him to make music for vtubers.
>>736040404Why do people villainize layoffs when recruiters are just as vile with all the people they turn down?
should've let them finish deus ex instead of wasting time on capeshit and shart raiderembracer group has to be the biggest group of videogame inbreds to walk this earth
>>736040404Hahaha get fuck leafs>>736040820Retards thought the surge in the gaming industry during Covid would stay and wasn't just a bubble. They all over hired. This is just the aftermath
>>736042672You're going to ride off that for years to come. You really have no other example?
>>736044348>Working in absolutesWhy do leftoids always do this? Do you not understand nuance?
>>736046852Is it still like that though? How many billboards and shit like that do you see for games now?
>>736047941Simply not true raj
>>736050495He didn't say they did, ESL
>>736050189That new remake of tr1 is probably going to underperform and the new game next year will bomb hard as the leaked story is insanely cringe woketard stuff
how many were ex-concord/highguard?
>this is all it took to defeat AAA
>>736053054Don't try and find reason in Square's higher ups logic. There is none. One motherfucker moved a building's worth of people to another city once cause a fortune teller told him it would be good for the company
So are AAA video games just going to end up being a thing that is 100% just made by Asian countries and a few random European countries? Because it seems like pretty much every AAA game made in America or Canada bombs hard apart from rare exceptions like Madden and Call of Duty
>>736053603You ever wonder why it's always so hard to get physical releases for indie games? and when you do, it tends to be a really limited release?
>>736059289EA's gonna keep going for awhile at least.In what form I dunno. With saudis taking over, the non-sports games are bound to see some changes.
>>736058009I haven't seen a game ad on tv in years
>>736059324It's sad in a way.The days where people could just stick a floppy of their game in a ziplock bag, along with a photocopy manual and some other little shit for flavor will never be feasible again.
>>736051476>not even to thr people who made the game to begin with.I'd say I agree but looking how many fucking artists just love the vitiligo shit for instance makes it feel it's a fetish at that point and a hilariously racist one at it>hey i do love balck people hire me game dev but black people whitewashed is my fetish sao don't mind if i do teehee
>>736059410I see AAA now and again, but not often. All the AA ads have completely vanished though, yeah. You absolutely never see any for games like the Xeno franchise anymore.For awhile, I wondered just where the fuck raid shadow legends got all the money they use for advertising. But then I learned the company's based in israel, and it seemed like that pretty much answered it.
>>736058993how many shills and influencers do you see for games now?
go woke go bankrupt lol
>>736059823Nigga those sellouts are cheap to buy. They have no dignity
>>736059667Kek I didn't know that about Raid Shadow Legends. Makes so much sense now
>>736040820RECESSION BABY! PREPARE YOUR BUTTS
>>736061056you'll be surprised at how much money corps pay streamers, especially the top ones like shroudthey're expensive whores
>>736061209And yet, the game industry is more profitable than ever, and while anime and manga are slouching a little, this is more in the realm of normal boom and bust cycles.The apocalypse is only hitting spheres that play by the rules of the Hollywood machine. We're not going to let you get away with your scapegoating.
>>736061209We've been in a recession since 2007.
>>736061667There was an excess of jobs under Trump's first term, and wages were legitimately going up.
>>736061819That doesn't mean the recession ended. We are still way below the levels of economic prosperity we enjoyed before 2007.
>>736058065https://mastersingaming.com/2026/03/26/its-brutal-out-there-deus-ex-and-unreal-composer-says-hes-submitted-50-resumes-and-gotten-one-interview-in-the-last-year/
>>736061856that was white supremacism chuddy
>>736063016Someone's bored.
>>736042579You're telling me these guys ruined corporate America, and with it, the rest of the entire world, by weaponizing the legal system? That's crazy bro.
>>736040820No, but it is time for you to admit that sucking pozzed rainbow nigger dick is not as profitable as you thought it was.
>>736047846That's literally what's happening. The overwhelming majority of development expenses are wages. Fire a shitton of people, you're now spending less on games.It was genuinely surprising to me to find out that apparently all the people who said they wanted smaller scale games never considered that people would lose their jobs if the industry moved in that direction. Of course they would, and there's nothing wrong with that.
