Admit it. AI doesn't have the SOUL of a human translation.
Actually, I am already fluent in nihongo(nihongo for japanese)
>>736055678You're missing out. These translations are more flavorful than the Japanese, especially BotW
Yes AI doesn't have the tarnished black shriveled souls of activist translators. Dogs dont have souls and we like them. More than activist translators .
>>736055798Further examples of SOUL
>Trannyslators>Injecting agendas>Injecting unfunny memes>Changing charater traits on a whim>"That's SOVLFVL actually"Lol. Lmao, even.Kill yourself.
>>736055596I dont remember him saying that
>>736056250>it's not soul
>>736056308these people are genuinely racist>this aspect of japanese culture is le bad and muh westerners cannot have it so we need to change it to fit western standardsactual digital colonization
Why is the Japanese language so dry?
>>736055596AI can't understand. People don't talk like that.It's so heckin unnatural.You have to make people in video games (who are fictional people and not real) talk like real people, because video games aren't fiction, it's reality.
>>736056406Every time you AI a piece of Japanese, it always comes out so lifeless and bland.This is why Localizers will always have work, despite /v/'s incessant whining against their existence.
Sorry, but the AI is better. Localisers put their own spin(bad spin) on it. And tend to overwrite.
>>736056385name 5 wet languages
>>736055596Kill all localizers. No exceptions. Yes, I will take the "awkward" and "stiff" and "boring" AI translations instead. I hope you lose your job and die of ass cancer.
>>736056480>tend to overwriteIsn't that what AI does, though?
>>736056526Okay, don't you think that's a little harsh? They're devs trying to make a living just like the rest of the members of the dev team. You wouldn't say that about an artist or a modeler, so why spew hate against localizers in particular?
>>736056465isnt the localizer wrong on this one?
>>736056526if the text is boring it literally make the game unplayable.the translation is literally, what makes or breaks any video game. The gameplay is literally not important.
>>736056871>if the text is boring it literally make the game unplayable.this, id rather read fanfiction than a literal translations of my games
>>736056808Does that really matter in a translation?
>>736056526if you feel that strongly then channel your energy into learning a fucking language
>>736056808the goal of localizing is to make the text not boring, not translating it.
>>736057104Or you could just do your job correctly.
>>736057104Exactly. All these losers who think they could do a better job don't even speak japanese lol
>>736055726Oddly enough, that one was probably accurately written by the localizer based on what they got.Being an amateur who has to correct myself with this shit all the time, I know a cart-ahead-of-horse mistranslation when I see one.
>>736057317Literal translations are a failure of language and never work. Translators need to actually understand the history and intent of the language and then bridge that gap, your retarded oversimplication will kill all language just because you're too stupid to learn another language.
>>736056385nuances and wordplay in japanese are often related more to their alphabet system and it makes translation hard.easy example is in HunterXHunter where this old man is getting his shit rocked by a giant killer ant (cell from DBZ ripoff) and prepares to use up his trump card, giving the ant some final wordsThe original english translation of what said was (roughly)>don't underestimate mankind's capacity for malicea revised translation is>don't underestimate mankind's capacity for innovationthe character they used for his word there is DELIBERATELY chosen to have multiple meanings so it is both talking about being malicious and inventing things.Japanese is full of shit like that and it cannot translate cleanly without a bunch of extra notes.
>>736057404Nta but I need to interject: Your entire argument falls apart because translators are refusing to bridge that gap, and are instead shoving their own nonsense in.In the past, before AI and localizers, fan translators sometimes DID bridge that gap and would explain things.
>>736056465The Ai did a shit job on this one.
Truth is, ever since the chain-of-thought AI models came out, the complaints about AI translation being 'stiff' or 'lacking context' are simply no longer true. You can make a doc with important names/context at the top for consistency, and the AI will translate everything great. It'll have a long internal monologue with itself like ('okay, this line is a japanese saying, the most natural way to get something similar in english would be...') etc. The 'bad AI translation' post examples are all just old non-thinking models without a context grounding document.
>>736056465>>736057595that is shit localization because it fails to convey how japanese will phrase things in a roundabout way to avoid being direct and rude.it makes her ruder and meaner than she is actually being.the AI one is better if you actually understand how japanese speak.
trannyslators should be persecuted
>>736057580This.The job of a localizer is to make the stiff, awkward translation natural in the related language. Only when something absolutely does not translate cleanly like the post above yours mentioned, should the localizer make an out of pocket call about what to write.IE: you can rephrase a joke that doesn't relate, or expand a sentence so it's clear. But when you start ignoring OG meaning and writing your own fanfiction, or worse doing it because you don't LIKE the og text(like several of them have admitted in recent years,) you're derelict and should be both fired, and blacklisted from the industry for being maliciously irresponsable.
>>736057763*executed
Tolkien and Nabokov both hated localizers that fucked up translating because of their blatant incompetence.
>>736056385What's dry about that? Not every line needs to be a heckin quirk chungus.
>>736055596Why do we keep spamming this cherrypicked garbage on /v/? Anybody who has played MTL translated porn games knows the MTL translation is always garbage that makes no sense.
>>736057595spot the n5
>>736059356MTL thirdie pirates can't be bothered setting up a proper AI translation setup, see >>736057675"You are a translator, translating a video game from Japanese to English.===GAME INFORMATION===(put important character names, world description here)PREVIOUS TURNS===(keep the last 10 turns here for narrative consistency)LATEST LINE:(the current JP line)You may adjust the past 10 lines if needed, if the context changes."Set up something like that on a porn-friendly mode like GLM 5 and it'll outperform 99.9% of human translators.
>>736059356We're talking about AI, not MTL, anon. Get with the times. I'm sure your stupid porn game can be translated now, and now you can goon with 100% ACCURACY
>>736055596>>736055726>>736056308>>736056465>>736056564The AI is better in all of these.
Leftists don't have souls, that's why they love blacks and muzzies so much
What are the localizers even bitching about. The AI translations are perfectly understandable.And I'll take them over the faggots anyway, where I can't even be sure if that's what the character really said.
>>736055596>Mon isn't just any currency, it's a currency I invented
I don't want some worthless American's retarded faggot translation full of unfunny, dated memes and agenda pushing. Those subhumans can barely speak English. Give me the machine translation free of their childish, braindead "flavour" bullshit.
>>736055726How the fuck did the localizer get "given up on reincarnation"? Did he not notice that the verb is part of a clause modifying 妄念?
>>736059356>128707th capitalism joke>cherrypickedLOL
>>736060571the same thing artists are, a machine has developed the ability to encroach upon their only way of making money in this world, and is developing its' proficiency rapidly. Whereas you can pay some dimwit that wasted 6 figures on a language degree or some shitty throwaway certificate 4 figures to translate 2,500 words in a week and interpret their spin on it you can just get a machine to do 2,500 words in 30 seconds or less and if you want to flavor it with faggoty subtext you just edit the instructions >>736059996 I'd be mad too if they invented a cost effective machine that could be deployed at scale for smaller processing and prepping of wild game and livestock but as it stands we aren't there yet. Maybe they can learn a new skill or put their skills in language-learning to develop their own GAy-I that turns Japanese gyaru women into lesbians and gives them anti-capitalist rhetoric.
I'd like to see AI handle Ace Attorney, since I'm sure that there are a bunch of retarded changes made in the localization.
>>736059996Yes and then it fucks up the chracter count / newlines / typesetting and its unreadable piece of shit in addition to not making any sense.
>Retards are actually defending trannylizersSomeone's hungry for (You)s today
>>736061741Completely and totally trivial to adjust for. You have not properly set up a good CoT AI in the past year and it's obvious
Total Localizer DeathAI will bring us salvation
So how do we do AI translations ourselves?
>>736061697
>>736062001Yeah just spend lots of time jerking off, instead of playing someone's translation. Also its not AI, its weights bruteforced using lots of compute by big corpos and tax money. Its not any different from normal software you run on your computer.
>>736061741>>736062001Gemini employs Visual Grounding pretty well and its only getting better, they dropped the new 3.1-aligned video and audio modal updates to the public in the US like yesterday. You can turn on Live and say, "See my Yeti microphone" and it will zero in on it using the on-screen reticule and indicate "Yes, I see the _____ model ____ microphone, it's currently hooked up to your ______ brand desktop tower". It understands 'visual context' a lot better than it did even a year ago and as it gets better the gaps are going to close on issues like this, but yes, definitely the largest issues with most LLMs. With PowerQuant also dropping less than a week ago and the entire architecture for token selection and the six-to-ten-fold increase in KV window allotments as a result improvements in the system are not far behind.
>>736055596>>736061607Stop pointing out my localization changes or I'll ban youI want to shove my agenda in games I translate but I don't want to get fired for it, so stop talking about it
>>736062112>eiyuden localizer.pngWell he got me not to buy the game, so good job to him I guess.
>>736062089weirdly this harlem shake joke predated the internet meme
>>736055596>armchair translator "general" thread where people nitpick about "thing I personally wouldn't have written" rather than finding actual, genuine errors or having meaningful discussion that advances translation/localization discourseI'm convinced these threads are quickly just becoming stealth advertisements for some N4 tranny's blog where they compile random screenshots like the ones being spammed here.Funny how you shitters will pore over garbage like this for hours, yet you never talk about the games you've contributed to as a translator (because you are neither skilled enough, nor disciplined enough to follow through on a full-scale project like this, and you'd find out that your vaunted ideals quickly crumble when faced with a real-world, practical application of translationcraft.)
>here's your accurate vs localized scripthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVFQT8YN5-M
>>736057519I honestly wish game translations did have a bunch of translator notes
translators were not an issue until you joined this website during the 2016 elections and began feeling attacked on all frontsyou did not play video games in japanese in the 90s and 00s in your youth anon, we all know this
I fucking hate AI but every single example in this thread the AI did it better. Maybe I just hate localizers more.
>>736057705>that is shit localization because it fails to convey how japanese will phrase things in a roundabout way to avoid being direct and rude.It's just sarcasm. In context it's obvious.>Wow, you guys must be doing really well...Shit like this bothers me enough that I think I'll rely on AI translations going forward, sure they might be overly literal and serious but they don't totally fudge the meaning of dialog.
>>736062447>wuh wuh wuh i was here first wuh wuhok and I was here before you were and honestly you people that won't shut up about 2016 are more annoying than the people that were crying on here about obama getting in it's just a constant moving goalpost of "I was here first, the people that came after me RUINED our hideout I moved into"you're like a second generation indian complaining about stinky fob indians coming off the boat with their curry fingers and funny accents my man
>>736062090>Also its not AI, its weights bruteforced using lots of compute by big corpos and tax money.Sorry, I didn't realize you were 15. I'll stop engaging.
>>736062693if your something awful account is older than 2010 i will concede
>>736062801Show the thumbnails you coward
>>736062572AI is just a tool. It can be (and more often than not, is) abused and misused to produce sewage, and it can be used to produce good shit too.
>>736062304>vaunted idealsSpotted the wannabe localizer
>>736056308This nigger is either genuinely evil or doing it on purpose as an inside job to ruin localizations forever. There's no other explanation.
>>736062843it's all azumanga and meximoot memesfor those not in the know, moot would cosplay as a mexican university student before he had to appear in court and began going to acen and shit
>>736062304>"yet you never talk about the games you've contributed to as a translator">how DARE you criticize a high priest without also being a priest>"because you are neither skilled enough"nigger an LLM can do your job with ease.
>>736062801>698kb>803kb>in 2004Jesus Christ were you a millionaire? That shit is like 3 minutes per image on 56k. I didn't get broadband until a few years later.
>>736055596I have a SOUL but you don't care about me, so why do you care about human translations?>>736062447Revisionist history. Nintendo Treehouse was constantly embroiled in translator controversy. The stories are still all over the fuckin' internet. The whole Rapp controversy started in 2013 and ran for years, which was the peak of translator-hate.It's cute to try to revise history but you're either ignorant, or malicious.
>>736062801looking back its weird to remember a time when png wasnt a thing.
>>736062974Screen resolutions greater than 1280x1024 were a mistake. Bring back 4:3 and 5:4 sub-HD displays. I'd even tolerate the classic "poorfag special" 1366x768 in a pinch if you absolutely must have a widescreen display.
Is there any good real time auto text scanner that translates jap game as you play yet?I got one and while the text recognition was great the AI translation was of appaling quality
>>736062742Yes, i know AI rings of the tongue better and can be easily marketed that way. But in the end transformer models are just glorified text predictors produced using money from your pocket. Once the weights are produced, the model cannoy learn new things, it merely runs the input through its weights and averages a result. On top of this you have agentic crap and other models glued together with human produced heuristics. In the end its softwte but the integral part is black box. Corpos and governments fight over compute to be able to produce the best black box so they can control the bias.
>>736063007I remember threads with 56k warnings for poorfags like me
>>736055596>Tranny localizers making Weebs seethe.I'm all for it since I despise both groups.
>>736062974dsl was introduced in my country for stupid cheap, like, less than half what the average american paid>>736062986sure, i can secede that i am arguing in bad faith, but old memes and loose translation go hand-in-hand with gaming for longer than many of us have even been alive
>>736062304>games you've contributed to as a translator Why would I do that? I learned Japanese for myself, not for beggars like you.
>>736063142You're trying to sound smart, but you're just a retard who thinks you're smart because you grasped the Transformers whitepaper in a half-assed manner and think it makes you really intelligent. It doesn't. You can call it LLM translation if it makes you feel better.>Once the weights are produced, the model cannoy learn new thingsThis is why you keep dynamic context when translating something. Keep the past translations and notes about the game in the context. The base model doesn't change, yes, but the context you feed it does. Nobody here claimed that LLMs were recursively self-improving systems here but you, you just made up that complaint yourself.
>>736063347>I learned JapaneseWhat a waste of time. Should have learned Chinese.
>>736063347because, again, nobody in this thread was playing video games and watching anime/reading mango in japanese in the 90s and 00syes, beggars can't be choosers, but we all got here because either a kind loser with lots of free time and a huge japanese to english dictionary decided to translate some shit the big localization companies would not
>>736063468*or because said companies paid somebody to translate them
>>736063468My friends uncle liked to fuck asian pussy and used to bring back anime tapes from his sex tourism.
>>736063449>Should have learned ChineseI've never understood why anyone says this. Why would you learn an ugly language thinking it'll make you money, when there are hundreds of millions of western-raised 2nd gen Chinese who speak perfect Chinese and English? There's no alpha there to learning it, you should learn what you actually want to learn for your own enjoyment.
>>736063362Yes, now that we are not talking about some magical tech anymore.>This is why you keep dynamic context when translating something. So now you've poisoned the machine with human input. I dont care if you use tools to translate shit, as long as you actually make sure its not slop. My original point is that if you blindly automate this shit the output is garbage as seen with 99% of MTL translations.
>>736063595Because everywhere will be China soon
>>736063142What do you think your brain does when choosing words to say? Baloney mayonnaise coffee forklift turnip broccoli? Fish water toenail blanket sink totally nothing fan. It's quite literally mapping words on a latent vector, correlating relationships between each word including syntax and relevancy, mapping semantics as your brain does. When it sees kaku 書くit literally translates it as writing/pen and paper versus sakusei for coding or computers. It might not inject it with otaku shut-in flavoring but that's kind of the point. It's a no BS direct translation that you are free to interpret instead of someone else. The benefit of an AI translator is that you can ASK it specifically how it came to that outcome or specific translation and it will tell you without espousing about standing up for a marginalized group or tough times in college.. it just does the work and moves on.
>>736063672>So now you've poisoned the machine with human input.Poisoned it? They quite literally do a pass on recent models to train them to handle dynamic context. It's how they're intended to be used. Do you not know what SFT is?Look, I get that the gist if your response is actually "I was wrong, sorry" and it's okay, I forgive you.
>>736064041Yeah, i wait for the day I'll get to run thing through a tool without having to do anything else and get output that is not complete garbage. Until then, i'll gladly use someone's translation that they actually took some time to verify the output has some quality standard.
>>736064185>me lazy and ok with bad translationi accept your concession
>>736062112*sign* another muscle-bound chud...
>>736055596Only good thing I can praise having an increase in normalfags in Japanese media. Just means more people finally calling out on these bullshit translations to the point where they are far in greater numbers. Hopefully enough to cause a huge shitstorm one day.
>>736065670It's already started
>>736065670Localizers are indispensable in all aspects of localization
>>736062304
>>736056564>Floating bomb>I'm a bombshellbravo, kojimaeight-headed beauty is complete nonsense
>>736065881KUUHAZAN! KUUHAZAN! KUUHAZAN!AIR SLASH! AIR SLASH! AIR SLASH!
>>736067171I always laugh when idiots think they know more about Japanese than professional translators.
>>736056465First line human is fine.Second line either makes him sarcastic or completely misunderstands the JP line. Very weird.
>>736056808Yeah, complete opposite.
>>736059356Post a line. Let's see if AI still fucks it up.
>>736061071I genuinely believe he thought ない + 妄念 somehow inverted the statement or was acting as a double negative.
>>736063734Might as well tell people to learn Indian if that's your logic
>>736056465duwang
>>736056662What's harsh is not killing you scumbags on sight and enslaving your whole family
>>736061607I stopped playing the game at that point.
>>736070762You should be more tolerant to the localization process. It adds that polish that really makes the games easy for us to play.
>>736061937Some people just see AI and seethe out of their fucking gourd to the point they'll defend literally anything it's compared to, even trannylizers.
>>736072310It's funny because AI is already better than most human translators. The only people against it are those that work in the field.
>>736072485I'll put in a note that whenever people say "AI is better than the average person at [x]", you need to make sure that the field in question is one where people are actually exposed to the median output regularly. AI writing is so hated because most people are exposed to the 0.001% of writers when it comes to actual articles and books, so AI being a 30% midwit is not very impressive, even though it is by definition better than the majority of people at it.
>>736055596kek nice angle
>>736056808That's the point. Localizers rewrite translations. If the translation is accurate, then the localizers didn't do their job.They are a scourge that ruins games.
>yfw to localiser cabal is seething in here once again You fags will soon be jobless
>>736065881This one I am 50/50 on. Saying the name of an attack shouldn't sound too repetitive, but if it's a spell or special attack then it might make sense to literally say the name every single time.The reasoning for this is that it's considered bad writing in English to use the same adjectives over and over, like "really really really really bad"but in Japanese it's not considered as bad.That being said, I don't know the context for this, but I think saying the move name would probably be fine for a cutscene. However, if I was presented with three different voice clips to translate for the same move type, and the Japanese had the character saying the same thing three times (probably with different recordings) and they would ONLY be used in battle after selecting the move name, I might consider variations to the move name.So like:Flowing Slash (always first time)Like the wind! (second time onward/randomized)Take this! (second time onward/randomized)You would need to know how the programming of the moves work, however.
>>736073224adjective/adverbs
>>736073224There is no adjective/adverb being used in Japanese. This is what us grammarians call a "noun"
Anyone who actually cares about art should wish for localizers to be starving on the streets.Simple as.
I'm liking AI more and more every day. It can do a better job as a guide and translator than any book or human could.
>>736071502That isn't polish, anon. That's adding shit that isn't supposed to be there.
>>736062602>It's just sarcasm. In context it's obvious.No, it's not. She's direct, which is rude for Japanese.I was part of the Polish->Japanese localization team for The Witcher 3 and we were directly asked by the Japanese publisher to avoid things like sarcasm, rhetorical questions, or dry Slavic humour, since your average overworked salaryman/sweaty weeb won't get any of those.
TOTALTROONSLATORDEATH
>>736073996This faggot localizer is always in these threads using his shitty 15 minutes of fame as a nameless translator for The Witcher btw
>>736074735>This faggot localizer is always in these threadsApparently so are you.
>>736074930I understand that as a localizer, you have very poor grasp at language but let me explain it to you.The post doesn't imply that being at these threads makes you a faggot. The post implies that you are a faggot because you are using your shitty nameless grunt job as some sort of position of authority over the matter.
>>736075007No, it's just something that actually happened, as opposed to you jerking one another off endlessly on how the mean localizers are persecuting you.
>>736055596Based Kilton fighting against the petrodolar
>>736075167If it's "just something that actually happened" as you pretend it to be, then you wouldn't use it as a crutch to play devil's advocate on the matter.Faggot AND retarded, then again, localizer is just a synonym for both.
>>736075253Just seeing how mad I make you is reward enough.
>>736075513Yes retard, these threads have already established that you retards lack artistic integrity and respect for the original authors and your only purpose is to insert your shitty fanfictions in order to own le chuds.No need to be redundant.
>>736055726AI is correct AND more flavorful
>>736055596There's nothing wrong with adding jokes to the game
>>736055596I'll be so happy if every leftoid translator loses their job to AI
>>736075595Keep going.
Being pro-capitalism makes you a zogbot cumguzzling bitch by the way
>>736075736The recent boost in communications between Americans and Japanese thanks to X's algo promoting Japanese content proves that AI has pretty much solved translation. Sure, certain cultural motifs might be lost in translation but it's way better than some faggot troon inserting his delusions of grandeur because he feels he can do a better job than the original author.One of the reasons why these retards got such a tight grip on localization was because Japanese studios didn't care much about the rest of the world so they hardly supervised these works but if one thing is sure, it's that the Japanese are extremely anal about respecting an author's work and intent and I've seen posts from Japanese accounts putting light to this issue with hundreds of replies and thousands of likes.In no time, the Japanese audience will demand that these retards stop tainting the works of Japanese authors and studios will see it as something that damages their image and honor so AI translations will be swiftly applied.
>>736075723No, it isn't. Adding "jokes" just outs troonslators as sophomoric degenerates who lack any shred of professionalism or tact.Shit like there being a "pothead" and even oddly specific weed-related slang in a fucking Nintendo game like this is unacceptable, even for a fan translation. This shit would get you hammered by the ESRB and PEGI in a heartbeat and you'd probably lose your job for costing your team time and money were this a pro release.
>>736067036>eight-headed beauty is complete nonsenseIt's also a straight-up mistranslation, even if you were going for a "literal" one, so the trannylator didn't understand the Japanese and also missed the intended figure of speech.
>>736076105Lol pothead
>>736075867>end of rineIt's ok fag, you are welcome to come to these threads to boast about some menial grunt work you had over 10 years ago in order to feel important.In the end, everyone agrees that a soulless machine does a much better job than whatever you'll ever achieve.How funny is that? In every single artistic endeavor, AI has a bad image EXCEPT in localization. It's literally the only sector where it shows overwhelming support. That's how repugnant your meddling is.
>>736071502So is Hawkeyed Man someone who believes in the criminal justice system and will expose her crimes for the people and courts to judge? Or is he a violent vigilante that enacts his own brand of justice on those he judges himself? Because these translations are implying completely different things about his character. And I'm assuming the AI is more accurate to the original Japanese since it should have no bias when it comes to something as deterministic as translation.
>>736076105>WAHHHHH THEY'RE SO UNPROFESSIONALDo you even think before you type? Am I supposed to believe you give even a quarter of a shit about professionalism? >sophomoric degeneratesWhere do you think you are? Stop trying to virtue signal on fucking 4chan, that's the most pathetic thing I think anyone here could ever do.
>>736076181Keep going. Not mad enough.
>>736062104That's a tree retardLMAO
>>736076305>nobody can possibly care about the quality of the product they are paying for because I'm an irony-poisoned redditor deathly afraid of sincerity
>>736076313Nah, I said what I had to say. Unlike your ilk, who is so desperate to be noticed that you'll sully the works of people infinitely more accomplished than whatever you'll ever pretend to be in order to live vicariously through their art.It's ok though, AI will make it so your bastardizations will stay in the past and your voice will be shout to a void.
>>736056564How do localisers justify this kind of cultural suppression?
>>736076452>it's ok because I make right wingers madLiterally that's it.
>>736076431You never said anything about quality, you just started crying about random bullshit that doesn't matter unless you're a faggot.
>>736076452>>736076485Also because they're just straight up racist.
>>736076525>Am I supposed to believe you give even a quarter of a shit about professionalism?Professionalism goes hand in hand with a quality product. Lacking professionalism makes the product dogshit just because you wanted a cheap ego trip. You are mad when people demand standards, so you deflect by projecting that nobody can possibly care and everyone who claims otherwise is just lying because they have some ulterior motive. Kindly kill yourself.
>>736076525Look dude, I'm just saying that shit is on par with Working Designs bullshit from ancient times. People should be past doing this shit nowadays, but alas. Turns out people don't give a damn about doing good work, they just care about leaving their mark, no matter how unsightly that mark is.
>>736076526EVERYONE is a little racist!Literally!
>>736076439Keep going. There's a prize at the end.
>>736076694Like everyone is a troon? kys along with these localizers. We don't need translated games that call everything a nigger next after we hang all troonalizers.
>>736076526They are just retarded ideologues. They are disgusting freak cowards who hide behind technicalities in order to insert their shitty tumblr tier writings because they would never find anyone who reads their shit if it wasn't for their parasitic behavior.
>>736057404>will kill all languageAnd nothing of importance will be lost. Name a single reason it would be bad if humanity collectively started to talk same language tomorrow.
>>736063595Because you should learn languages that have unique content locked to that language. It would go something like English (if it is not your native) > Japanese > Chinese > Korean > Russian. Every other language is literally irrelevant to know as they are all operating withing cultural gravity of one of big 5.
>>736076305>they are unprofessionalListen you smoothbrained retard. When people buy a product that requires any sort of intent by the author, they expect to receive something that conveys the author's message.Not some retard who uses someone else's work as a way to make dogshit jokes.
imagine being this mad over jokes
>>736078961Once again, this image is undefeated.
>>736079018>Leftism out of nowhere?
>>736055596Your pic is clearly unrelated OP.
>>736079047>OP's pic has a tranny inserting his anti-capitalistic delusions>literally talking about "fighting the establishment"You are so stupid lmao
>>736055596>mamo>translated as "mon"why?
>>736055596I'll always choose humans over AI.However modern trannylators are below AI.I'll take rigid MTL over a sentence like>Hello, player, let's go hunt some monsters!being turned into>Howdey-doo, player-shmayer? See, I was a thinking to whack some baddies like pam! wazam! you know? Wanna come? They represent the partiarchy and capitalist society, so it's always morally correct!
>>736076694Yeah, but liberals are hypocritically racist. They say they're the protectors of minorities and other cultures (which is super racist in itself, why do they need protection from white American liberals?) and then turn around and erase anything they think is "problematic" from said cultures and believe it to be for the greater good. That's way worse than just being outwardly racist.
>>736079175Could be because names get standarized for all non-Japanese versions and "mamo" is a verb in Spanish which means "I suck" and is for titties (same root as mammals) or dick.I'm just making an assumption of course, it's more probable that the fag localizers just change shit for the sake of defiling original works.
>>736079115Is link also a leftist tranny for fighting the establishment?
>>736055596I don't think he said that
>>736079408when has link fought the establishment? He's always been a nationalist hero fighting foreign threats to Hyrule
>>736079408>keeps pretending to not know what the thread is aboutDamn
>>736079463If Ganon and his goons take over the place then they are the establishment
>>736079408>blond blue eyed hero rescues his racially segregated kingdom from a horde of invaders who are irredeemably evil>anti-establishmentfucking kek
>>736079570>leftard doesn't understand words and creates their meaning to suit his argument
>>736079827>a physical place of business, a recognized organization, or the elite group holding power within a societyDoes Ganon and all his minions not hold power within Hyrule? Yes or no
>>736079932They hold an anarchist mismanaged geographical area in ruins, you stupid retard.Hyrule was the establishment.
>>736080008So yes?
>>736080051Again, I understand that being a pro-localizer is akin to being illiterate but there's no establishment.What society does Ganon hold onto? A barren wasteland. What social structures does his goons adhere to? None, they are anarchists who only follow natural law and who's the strongest.The establishment was the Kingdom of Hyrule. Link is pro-establishment, pro-monarchic and pro-theocracy.
>>736075167>it's just something that actually happenedCDPR aren't Japanese so we don't care what your gay nigger pole-sucking ass has to say
>>736080209So no? Ganon holds no power in Hyrule? Is that your final answer?
>>736079932>Link is anti-establishment because he wants to restore the old establishmentAre you stupid?
>>736080303Establishments can change
>>736080327See>>736079018
Fun fact of the dayLocalizers not only don't know JapaneseThey don't even know English.
>>736080664I think this thread has shown pretty clearly that they have no fucking clue about the English language.
>>736080485Can you explain with words why I'm wrong? Calling me a leftist isn't helping this discourse either
>>736080709Refer to>>736079018
>>736080751haha the irony
>>736080780Please direct your attention to>>736080780
>>736080709It's very easy to prove you wrong all we need to do is ask you a simple question.WHO, in our world, is the establishment?Wrong answer proves you don't know what the establishment is and you're just a poser.
>>736080819it has multiple meaningsOne is "often Establishment : a controlling group" which is ganon in links world during the game, in our world is the government since no evil antagonist with murderous goons are roaming the streets
>>736080981>chatgpt tier responsePOSERFAKEWANNABE PUNK THAT DOESN'T FIGHT FOR ANYTHING BUT THE PEOPLE IN POWERFAGGOT THAT CAN'T REBEL AGAINST ANYONE IN A POSITION OF POWER
>>736081062actually I just used a dictionary
So far AI is terrible at image/ video generation, translations, coding and making music. Only strong point about it's how cheap it is.
>>736081103I even gave you a chance to save yourself by catching it but instead you proved that localizers don't even know English.The question didn't ask "WHAT is the establishment". The question was WHO it expected an actual answer not a definition since the definition of "the establishment" in terms of rebellion is well understood as the punk definition of establishment. You NOT knowing that proved you don't even know English let alone the words you use.
>>736080819Not him but it's actually a very easy question.The establishment are white people.Every single organism in the planet that wants to "dismantle the establishment" is anti-white.It's quite funny, really. This fag's argument relies on the entire notion that the establishment is power.Let's refer to England, for example. The powers are anti-white. The mayor of London is an anti-white sandnigger. The "anti-establishment" agitpropt that they have are against Britain's white history, society and culture. Their discussions about economic inequality are about "old rich white men" and never jews."The establishment" is the society that white people created. And it's being dismantled by the enemies of white people.Hyrule is the perfect analogy for the West, actually. And this retard thinks that Link would be analogous to his dysgenic kind, who want to destroy society because anything good is a reminder of what they'll never be nor achieve. >>736080981Nice non-answer. I bet you are vaxxtard too.
>>736055596ai is an accurate translation of the original sentence which did have soul.
>>736081338That is not the answer I was looking for but that is actually very well explained that I can agree with you on that as the definition of establishment. That's a very interesting way to think about it.
>>736081338I accept your concession
Fuck localizers and more importantly FUCK THE TROGLODYTE THAT LOCALIZED FFIX
>>736081445Well, it was easy for me because I live in a country that was conquered by white people centuries ago.And yet, everything about the society I live in is seen through the lens of what white people did or didn't do. To the point where adhering to their ideals grants us a "white-" prefix (similar to how black people in America get called uncle Toms for not acting like hoodrats). That's how I know that we live in a world dominated culturally, socially and ideologically by what white people have built and the point of reference is the actions of white people. And every discussion stems from an inclination or deviation of whiteness.
I just want the same standards for video games that people expect for literature.Apparently, just asking for that is already a crime in the gaming world. There's a group of people who crawl out of the darkest corners of hell every time you say something like, "You know, I think the translator should stay true to the original material".This is so insane...In the 1990s, translators heavily altered products because they believed Japanese culture wouldn't sell in the U.S. They raped the original products in the name of sales.Today, you have a segment of the public supporting this. How is that possible? It's hard to believe, and it's the kind of thing that makes you lose faith in humanity.
>>736081793>I just want the same standards for video games that people expect for literature.Ironic how the "videogames are le art!" crowd doesn't have any problem disrespecting the works of other authors and the only thing they've brought to the medium was dogshit cinematic experiences, isn't it?
>>736081301read the entire post next time
>>736080981>no evil antagonist with murderous goons are roaming the streetsClueless
>>736055870Is this triangle strategy? Any other trpg upcoming?
How can people trust AI translations when it is trained on exactly the kind of localizations they think were shit already?(No, official business-level translations - the kind of shit you get sued out of your life for if you got it wrong - aren't part of the training data, because internal business documents aren't publicly accessible.)
>>736081886It makes sense when you realize the entire ideal is centered on surface level maturity.It's why despite doing all manner of M rated shit like realistic gore or extremely graphic depictions of murder or death but in gameplay interactions can best be described as Dora the Explorer. Why does the game about realistic humans suffering in a hellish world hold my hand more than the game about a talking blue hedgehog that runs fast?Its because their very ideals of maturity are surface level at best.Same goes for why they focus on cinematics. They see film as real art and demand games fall into the very limited definition of what film entails BUT EVEN THEN it's still all surface level which is why their "art" is all centered on mainstream expressions. MCU quips, body horror and gore, swearing but not using slurs and of course making sure that everything is falling in line with Hollywood's ideology.
>>736056465>Every time you AI a piece of Japanese, it always comes out so lifeless and bland.That's just how Japanese writing is. They tend to be very direct. The only time localizers should change shit is when references are made which non-natives wouldn't understand, if there is no direct translation, if the dialogue wouldn't make any sense or some other special case. Localizers should not be attempting to "spice up" anything.
>>736082168I think you landed it. Their definition of art is "what makes me feel". Which is basically dilluting the concept to the point where everything and anything can be art.It just shows the lack of maturity of these people.They consider videogames an art form because it's an amalgamation of other art forms.They don't understand that what makes videogames art is that it allows for expression of the user with the interaction of the machine. It's quite literally the defining theme that distinguishes it from the rest of the arts and makes it truly unique.It's another reason why it baffles me when these so called "art connoisseurs" demand videogames to be easier. They are literally demanding to debase the systems in place which make videogames art in order to cater to them.It would be like demanding a singer to not use high pitched notes because the listeners can't sing along or make jazz simpler because they can't enjoy it. Or not use a range of colors in a painting because the colorblind can't enjoy it fully. If someone in a museum demanded that, everyone would think of them as a retard that doesn't take art seriously.But somehow, in videogames happens all the time, and it's usually by the same people who claim that videogame is an artform.
>>736055596>Destabilize the market and fight the establishmentI'm surprised that translator hasn't been executed yet for antisemitism.
>>736082481>Japanese tends to be very directlol. lmao. you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>736084093>no you don't get it the japanese are zany and wacky which is why translations are so hard!Shut the fuck up retard. Concession accepted.
>>736057595It literally got it right and the human one is nonsensical.
>>736081245Except you're wrong on everything but video gen and non-app coding.I use AI for all of those and for image editing it's excellent. Image creation really depends on what you're trying to achieve. Music, is actually really easy to phone in because most modern music is already trash made in preprogrammed loops.Translations, see this thread. It's not that its incredible, it's that the current standard is atrocious>>736082147You're quite literally a retard. It's trained on the INTERNET. Games don't usually have their entire scripts on the internet, but entire corpus of knowledge in hundreds of languages , including dictionaries, examples, references and discussions on language are WIDELY available. And it just so happens that this is the ULTIMATE use case for LLMs based on predictive token transformer architecture. Literally, this is what they are best at, non-deterministic pattern matching.Transformer based LLMs will never be intelligent, but they are incredibly clever pattern matchers. If you people weren't brainlets with agendas you'd understand this.
