This is the greatest video game story ever told. Nothing comes close. Sony movie slop games wish they could be this kino
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>>736056596Its the ultimate pseud game. Like the evolution from a fallout NV tranny to a planescape chud.
In my opinion the story is good but not the best and certainly not why this game is still highly praised after so many years.
>>736056832try harder with your bait next time
>>736056915Then in your opinion, what is the greatest video game story?
>>736056775>>736056596vns arent game
>>736056982"Welcome to Violent City" -Batrider
>>736057058Cry me a river
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbLdRlGBNS8
>>736056596Still worse than the average book
>>736056596NopeDeus Ex3.6% (25 votes)Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty3.6% (25 votes)Planescape Torment3.31% (23 votes)Silent Hill 23.17% (22 votes)Xenogears2.73% (19 votes)Muv-Luv Alternative2.45% (17 votes)
>>736057378>votesDisdain for plebes
>>736056596ENTER
>>736056947i think the problem was trying too hard honestly
>>736056596Why is Chris Avellone so good at writing
>>736057592i love the game but not for the story
>>736057605
>>736056596ENTER...
>>736057605all rapists are
>>736057735Dunno, The Art of The Deal is a pretty shit book.
>>736057662I'm still confused by what happened there
>>736057818Did you read it?
>>736056596it was pretty good but idk about the greatest ever, even some of chris' later work is at least as good
Was just thinking about Mark Morgans music.
>>736057681Sure, buddy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u18_BKczg
>>736057854Of course not.
>>736056775fobp
>>736057605He's the best RPG writer of all time
>>736057818You're assuming the guy himself has written anything other than his name or a social media post. He's like a retarded teenage girl.
>>736057836Just turn your brain off, kitten, the FO2 way.
>>736057895filtered
>>736057990Looking at some of this it's kinda baffling to me that he also wrote Planescape Torment and Kotor 2, how did this nerd do it
>>736056982I can't say what the greatest video game story is because it's probably a game I haven't played yet. But I can at least say that Tyranny would have been one of the greatest games of all time if the retarded faggots at Shartsidian didn't put all of its budget and development time into Deadfire (completely soulless cashgrab) instead.
>>736056775>chinamen game>good storydelusional
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHI SHOULDN'T HAVE PIRATED ALL THOSE CRPG
>>736056982Fallout New Vegas
>>736058116They had no one to tard wrangle them.
>>736056775>exposition timeskip chairEven Chrono Cross has a better lore dump
>>736056982Cyberpunk 2077
>>736057378>Votes
>>736058226Always appreciate Avellone's humbleness
>>736058116What's so baffling? Dude had a stumble, that's it.Can't be 100% all the time.
>>736058426Indeed
>>736057662>>736057836Black Isle was full of the best top tier devs but the company itself (or I guess more like Interplay) was a terribly mismanaged company. It's super sad so many CRPGs didn't get to live to their full potential because of them. The one RPG they were working on (I think it was TORN or something, the one they canceled before attempting to work on Fallout Van Buren) actually looked kind of cool.
>>736057887Why does he take several tracks from The X-Files soundtrack in his stuff?
>>736056596What doth death?
>>736058521cos it's good
>>736057818How can I make this video game thread about politics and my TDS?
>>736056596Damn, he looks like he's 17
>>736056596shame that rest of the game is pure dogshit
>>736058156>>736058258Filtered
>>736056596The characters and the execution of the plot mog 99% of jrpgs. But that also means this game is cool for jrpg fans. It even has over the top summon style animations for powerful spells.
>>736058226If you're a storyfag the original fallout is objectively better.
>>736056596good writing, prose and settingabsolute abysmal dogshit as fuck combat jesus fucking christ I HATE BG1 style combat so much
>>736057681>just kill yourself you fucking naziinfinite isn't even the best bioshock game, let alone best game period
>>736059913Fucking tapping into the mechanus plane to shoot a massive laser cannon blast at your enemies
>>736058789UncMAXXING
>>736059913I like Planescape Torment because it feels like some kind of mutant hybrid of western and japanese RPGs rolled into one game. I don't know if I've seen this done that often
>>736056982Nothing
>>736061102I personally consider it the missing link between the two.
>>736056775snca
Disco ElysiumIt's not a game about politics it's a game about being an alcoholic loser. You'll understand when you're older.
>>736056596I want to give the game a try. It seems genuinely quite good. I'm struggling to finish off my other rpgs tho. I'm stalled in BG2 early game and Morrowind I just realised that I hit level 11 before doing the main quest... I only just finished the one where you enter the ghost dungeon for the guy's skull.
So does the TNO technically appear in the same universe as Baldur's Gate?
For me, it's:Arcanum>best reactivityPlanescape Torment>best banter and companionsJagged Alliance 2>best combat and destructible environmentColony Ship>best modern crpg
>>736061102>>736061770Ever heard of Septerra Core? Might wanna check that out.
>entire career canned because two foids liedavellone deserved better
>>736062195He's currently working on a new RPG
>>736056775>baby's first Kabballahslop Vs chad jungian spirit questtop kek
>>736062360imagine if they didn;t kick him off bloodlines 2
>>736062448and Dying Light 2
>>736058157kek
>>736062497dying light is at least fun mindless zombie slasher slop, story not neccessarybloodlines had no other pivot
>>736062195Wasn't Avellone exonerated and the foids ordered to pay him 1 million?
>>736062550Both would have been far better games if Avellone wasn't fired from them
>>736062448wouldn't have helped
>>736062625the settlement was only 6 figures>>736062658>>736062651alas
Who is the better romance between the Scottish girl and the Angel?
>>736062125Yeah. Planescape is in a different dimension to Baldurs Gate but it's still the same universe.Planescape, Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale and Baldurs Gate all take place in the Forgotten Realms setting, just to name the big ones.
>>736062125dnd multiverse
>>736057058>vns arent game>when planescape is pratically a visual novel
>>736062904It's not
>>736056982>Then in your opinion, what is the greatest video game story?For me it's Wild Arms 2.
>>736057681>le infinite time lines and universes>acshully chud ur alternate selves specifically do a le heckin evil in some of them, i have to kill you>this will stop other realities for some reason I can't elaborate onjew boy is lucky the gameplay devs carried that game because the story is so incomprehensible and full of holes it's hilarious.
>>736056596Why does he look like Zoolander
>>736056982And 2nd place is miles away.
>>736063308>Not Saves the Zoo
>>736062125Dakkon's blade shows up in Baldur's Gate 2 despite that making zero sense because only Dakkon could use it. You can find it in the first market area in the game I believe
>>736056596I always hear about how the story is amazing but nobody ever explains why, its just trust me bro.Its not like Games stories are that amazing anyway, I'd take a guess and say less than 10% of video games have good stories and less than 1% have stories that deserve to be compared to TVShows/Acclaimed Novels
>>736057178for me its https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgjqtIY_zww&list=RDJgjqtIY_zww&start_radio=1orhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvD7FLQQbKQ&list=RDOvD7FLQQbKQ&start_radio=1Something about the civic festhall is really nice. Fall-From-Grace's theme is alright, and Morte's odd theme grew on me as well.
>>736057735Didn't those women admit they made it up?
>>736063473MIDI HARPSICHORD GRAAAAAA
>>736056596Kneelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmnk0aVjsAY
>>736056775The MC looks like shit and the guy with glasses looks like a rapist in an 80s/90s H-anime.
>>736062732How many take place in other realms like dragonlance or greyhawk? Aren't they both under DnD? My entire experience playing table top DnD was exclusively in Faerun as that's all my group ever wanted to use, and a lot of DnD RPGs seem to all take place in Faerun or forgotten realms too.
>>736063814yep based
>>736056596Disco elysium is better written.
>>736063473Deionnara and just the main theme are fucking goat. In cringe news, i almost got a mark of torment tattoo but finally thought better.and called it off.
>>736063961Cyberpunk is better written than Disco Elysium
>>736057178>>736063473Dionarras theme mogs all themes in the game.
>>736063887It's the most popular and easiest to pick up, and since people have played the games they want to play forgotten realms too. Greyhawk, darksun, etc don't have the kitchen sink of faerun.
>>736064038Fortress of Regret's theme and Annah's theme are a close 2nd and 3rd for me personally
>>736063814As much as I love LoK it is just a mess of timelines and it is clear that they just made up the story along the way rather than have a well structured story from the start.
>>736063961lmao
>>736064109Super Mario Brothers is a well structured story but who gives a fuck about that
>>736063887D&D is a ruleset not a setting.Faerun is a continent in the Forgotten Realms setting and is by far the most popular premade setting in the world so there's loads and loads of documentation and ready made stuff for DM's to pluck from.Solasta for example is another D&D game, made using D&D5e, but is not set in the Forgotten Realms instead being a new setting made for the game.I've also had games that are in the DM's OC donutsteel setting and once had a scuffed gundam game in D&D3e.
>>736056596That moment where he experiences Deionnara's sensory stone was one of the most moving moments I've ever read in anything.
>>736063473> Get fucking Lustmord to do the OST of your game> that deal fizzles out > "alright, Mark Morgan, can you do this OST for us real quick"> he actually deliversFunny how some of the instrumentals are 1:1 used in the Vault City track, but he did a stellar job.
i just want to leave this hereListen to this:https://youtu.be/ixv_jRI6VqY?list=RDixv_jRI6VqY&t=41then thishttps://youtu.be/BCr1r9jEGJQ?list=RDBCr1r9jEGJQ&t=83
I'll never forget the time I hired a prostitute for morte and she ends up polishing his skull.
>>736064896IDK, it has a bit of the same motive but the melody goes elsewhere. People in the comments like to compare it to Metal Gear Solid more.There's a fun example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0UoCFyCL_g&list=PLLKHL9I5gNTVrpQOGk9OrKJLZxdjmD5WFhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjM9pKeEGwThey sound similar because Mark Morgan actually wrote this one as a guest composer and ended up remixing it for a later game.Another fun one is this:https://youtu.be/HeIiNHsaFnA?si=TamPKHQXMBGohDiG&t=97https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvD7FLQQbKQIt's an interesting thing to just trace that stuff. He's a good composer on his own too.
>>736065416They deviate after the first three notes.
>>736057605correct mix of arrogance, pseudo intellectualism, genuine intellectualism, and creativity to invest a huge amount of effort into writing high concept stories for a low status mediumkojima is successful for the same reason
>>736064896Planescape's theme reminds me of one the music tracks in The Chronicles of Riddick
>>736064269that was an excellent way to show just how much of a bastard the practical incarnation isthe whole sensorium is pretty kino
>>736066593The evil gameplay in PST for me is one step above the other RPGs. Where they usually offer you mustache twirling evil choices "DIE!" or "This item is mine!", PST gives you really mean shit, and in such detail too.
>>736062125Baldur's Gate takes place in the Sword Coast region of the Faerun continent in the 'world' (universe) of Forgotten Realms. Planescape is a 'multiverse' of all the different planes of existence. The Forgotten Realms is contained within that.So while none of the story of Planescape:Torment takes place in Faerun there is a broad connection between the settings
>>736056775fpbp
My only issues with it>You don't really leave the starting city>Word diarrhea>Game would've been much more exciting were the practical and paranoid incarnations not revealed literally right before the final boss
>>736056596>Who cares, Morte? The Practical Incarnation commited acts of terrorism every day. Uh, here's something that's never happened before: I'm nameless. I'M NAMELESS RIIIICK!!
>>736068043damn, i really like those 3 incarnations, too.
>>736056596nope
>>736057592I was enjoying this game, until the reset feature became too fucking tedious to deal with and I dropped it. The reset needed a longer timer
>>736057605Can they get him to write the next Fallout or is he just done with the series?
>>736068218hahahaha
>>736062440wait which one is which
>>736068218Avellone recently tweeted Musk to buy the franchise and that he'd work on it for free
planescape is the ultimate midwit bait. the story is actually retarded but it's written with a lot of words so people who struggle to read anything denser than a twitter post think it's super intelligent. first the themes are total nonsense. what is the game actually about? one of the main themes is people who contradict their nature. this sounds like an interesting theme to explore, but the way the game handles it is just "the lore says character x is supposed to be y but actually this one is z," which is completely inane. another theme is the power of belief, which also sounds like something you can make deep insights about, but in practice it's stoner tier "what if I believed a seed was a tree really hard and it actually started growing?" dreck. the game does bring up some interesting questions about memory, like is it moral to punish a person with amnesia for crimes he doesn't remember committing, and whether a serial killer with no memory of his killing would keep killing anyway, but it basically glosses over them in favor of the aforementioned magical non-sequiturs.second, the actual narrative sucks. the story is presented as a mystery, but you never get to figure anything out for yourself. the entire game is just going from one character to another who explains everything for you. at some point you find out that two of your companions knew everything all along but didn't feel like telling you. pretty much all of the dialogue is characters babbling at you without saying anything important. at one point you meet some guy who does the whole "everyone but me is retarded and should admit that they're stupid" and you can even get +1 wisdom for agreeing with him.
thanks a.i
>>736057605he always writes the same story but damn he's good at writing it, all of his games are>the MC did something really bad before the story started and you don't fully know what it was yet but you're going to deal with it's aftereffects now
i want a remake of this game but with bg3 combat.
>>736063469This. Never trust someone that says something's amazing without being able to explain why.
>>736068251That sounds based. What's the beef with him and Bethesda?
>>736063469It's probably the pinnacle of ludonarrative gameplay.
>>736068526Avellone has no beef with Bethesda, I think he just wants to work on Fallout again.Avellone's only beef is with Obsidian.
>>736056775actually came here to post this. Even did TNO's character arc better with Fei>>736058258XG's biggest exposition dump doesn't come close to the mountains of text present in PST
>>736068581>I think he just wants to work on Fallout again.I'm confused. What's stopping him from that?>Avellone's only beef is with Obsidian.Rundown?
>>736063184Thank God someone had a real answer.
>>736056982Disco Elysium
Is planescape torment really that good?I just cant bring myself to play turn based games
>>736068894It's not turn based bro, it's RTwP
>>736062125Yes have you see the crockdemons in icewind dale
>>736056775For me it is the soundtrack that makes it. This track is a pretty simple one but for me it is legendary kinohttps://youtu.be/tQTd7V0JXBE
>>736068894it's not turn based, it's worse (RTwP)
>>736068526not really a beef, he just thinks bethesda's fallout games are shit and the tv series is an insult to the original games. he got shit from r*dditors for saying that
>>736068894I have good news and bad news.The bad news is you've already read the other good news, twice over.The good news is it really is that good (as a visual novel).
>>736056982Take No Prisoners.
>>736063814I liked the story of BO1 more desu.
>>736068894the combat is you select your characters then click on the enemy then watch them kill the enemy, it's RTwP like Baldur's Gate 1-2, technically has the exact same system but the combat isn't the focus so it's pretty simple and dumbed down. if you ever played an RTS game then it's pretty much just that
>>736061831An entire game, story, soundtrack, design, characters: Done
>>736068287> midwitopinion discarded, go back to twitter>>736068349Torment's combat is perfectly fine. You have seven specialized fighters with TNO having a role on his own, and items accommodating them, so you have a guy who tanks, a guy who kites and shoots people from afar, a big flaming guy who shoots fireballs etc., contrary to BG3 where you can respec anyone into anything. I've cleared every "hard" combat encounter there and the amount of things you can do to win and enjoy it very much depends on your ability to actually understand words and letters in a game, like Arcanum or VtMB. The only good parts of BG3's combat (trying to do tabletop rules in a computer RPG is a waste) were verticality and terrain, which have pretty much zero place in Torment except some battles in Curst where it slides into Carceri. The only things I'd want from a remake are that Lustmord arrangement, restoration of some cut things a la Unfinished Business and full voice narration to turn the whole thing into a nice radio play. >>736068894Sorta, it's not something I'd want to replay a dozen times but the narrative is something AAA games still can't hope to achieve because they keep thinking it's some six season-long Netflix slop instead of a video game.
>>736056982Monster Girl Quest trilogy.
i am the gameless one
updated my journal
>>736069124I hate real time with pause. Its not fun
your aislop shit isn't funny lil bro
>>736057681>white isolationist nation in the sky that still has other races in so that jewish author can push his politicsnah
>>736068243You have no idea how hard your post made me laugh
>>736064269>mfw I realize the female head surrounding the Symbol of Torment represents Deionarra
I'm saving this thread for later
>>736069124the combat is total garbage. unlike other infinity engine games there are almost no options for character builds and itemization is almost non-existant. for example there are zero armors in the game, and dakkon has the only sword. the combat isn't hard, you can basically solo the game with just the nameless one, which makes the infinitely respawing bandits an annoyance rather than a challenge.
>>736056832nigger you may be a zoomer but at release the world was very differentmost of us who played it then were teenagersnobody was concerned about "looking smart"it was a cool setting and a unique story that made the average 14 years old with minimum exposure to that sort of stuff think
>>736056596Disco Elysium is better
>>736056596Zelda better
>>736057592Hated the ending which ruined it for me
>>736068349>>736069124The combat isn't the problem. The foundation and mechanics are there for a great RPG but the encounter design was terrible because the game was rushed and their major priorities were the story and art first and foremost so they couldn't iron out the combat encounters and designs so you're stuck with terrible boring mind numbing fights. You pretty much just fight hordes of melee base enemies that just swing at you with no strategy or thought and the few mages you do fight are barely a threat and they never cast any powerful spells like they would in Baldur's Gate.
>>736062141I was very disappointed with the endings in colony ship. All that fucking adventure only for there to be one screen with 3 lines of text. Not even going in depth about the planet or aliens on it.
>>736073052Yeah, that's actually a valid criticism. It's funny how Arcanum, being one of the more variable and open-form games out there, ran into the exact same problem.
>>736073098There was some in-depth info in the terminal at the ship's bridge.The aliens also think of the ship as a weird moon.
>>736067096isn't planescape largely ignores the material plane? yeah the idea is that all planes are interconnected, so it's possible to treat it as all-encompassing crossover setting, but the actual content explicitly does not specify what material plane actually isguess what i'm trying to say is that planescape's universe is outer planes, as opposed to a multiverse of every setting available
>>736067254If memory serves me right, you get to learn a lot about those 2 incarnations through>all the shit practical set up along the way>all the shit paranoid tore down by being paranoidThey are not active voices in your head, and so that's the only way they were 'revealed'
>>736068894After hearing about it for 10+ years entirely from /v/ and actually giving it a try back in 2024, I'll have to say the answer is yesI pirated it in 2019 and it was on my desktop waiting to be played but I never touched it for some reason or another. I think if I had tried it then or any time before playing Baldur's Gate 1/2 and Disco Elysium I would've dropped it very fast since I wouldn't have understood the combat and the amount of reading required would've put me off immensely. It's not a game for everyone, and honestly you might want to dip your toes in Baldur's Gate 1 or any other CRPG that uses RtwP (Icewind Dale, Pillars of Eternity etc) so you're not learning the combat system as you go. While there are maybe 20 combat encounters in the entire game, it's good to know it so you're know getting stuck since you had no clue how to interact with it and also be prepared for a LOT of reading.
>>736056596I am just clueless prime and still don't understand who the Nameless One was before he became Nameless One, and I hate that you could only lie to Ravel that you love her, while she was one of the nicest girls to Nameless One, but it was era of shitty tsunderes so they obviously pushed the rat thiefling. If I were him, I would stay in her swamp and trade my immortality for eternal love. Or with Fall-from-Grace, brain is better erogenous zone than body and I would let her stimulate me till the end of time.
>>736074905>any time before playing Baldur's Gate 1/2One of the big issues with playing Planescape as is in the current year is that you're likely to miss all the ways it plays with Infinity Engine stereotypes. Sure, the fact that economy is based around copper pieces or wall-of-runes hiding behind every other NPC might not seem relevant in the current year. But everything from setting to main plot to all the random elements was derived from the core conceit of being not like other RPGs.
>>736057178Ignus hears this
>>736056596Where the FUCK is Blizzard in Baator?
>>736075127> I am just clueless prime and still don't understand who the Nameless One was before he became Nameless OneIt's never exactly stated, but it can't be "started the Blood War"-tier bad since when you find out your actual name, it's just "alright, finally, thank God" and not much good or bad. My headcanon is that TNO was just a somewhat normal guy on the evil-er side who one day got fucked by the understanding that he will die one day and become one of these petitioning souls and tried everything he could to somehow escape it only to end up having his wish be granted by a fucking night hag. Whatever his greatest sin was while he was still mortal, it is far eclipsed by the sheer amount of misery snowballing that occured afterwards.
>>736075570But still, what is bad on not wanting to die? I doubt he was the first immortal, in an universe spanning planes - there are liches, vampires, lot of beings that try to escape the eternal fire of lower planes. There is nothing wrong on wanting to live. The Nameless One had a rough existence.
>>736074905What an awful drawing.
>>736056596Overrated
>>736056982Monster Hunter Wilds: Arkveld's and Nata's paralel is just so...gripping!
>>736056982MGS
>>736063473>Something about the civic festhall is really nice.Yeah, like it being pretty much 1:1 Vivaldihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4WTapbZi7I
>>736076369Doesn't hit the same emotional highs for me personally
>>736077612>emotionalu a fag or smt?
If you're illiterate you'll not be able to appreciate the game, much less being able to estimate its place among videogame's stories.
>>736063719Yes, and the settlement included a "seven figure compensation" for Avellone.
>>736057818It was ghostwritten. Trump himself writes like a genius.
>>736076478Holy shit. Like yeah, it obviously doesn't sound like anything Mark Morgan ever composed, and it stands out like a sore thumb as the sole piece of MIDI music in the game, but I didn't know it was an actual piece of existing classical music.I sometimes forget, having grown up in a corporate world, that you really can just use all these old compositions in your media freely if you want to.
>>736056596I still don't get it. What was the meaning?
>>736056797bejzd
When are we updating this image?https://imgur.com/v-official-wrpg-tier-list-ZMf16Gz
>first time playing, like 20 years ago>rush out of the morgue and never bump into Deionarrahuh
>>736056775>Japshit>Good storykek
>>736056596>updated my journal
>>736056596did you get your skin and memories back?
>>736056596op wants blood wars
>>736056775>unfinished>still king to this dayWhy can’t anyone write?
>>736056596why the fuck did he tattoo on his back instead of someplace else where he can read it himself?This would've solved the morte problem
>it's time to stop being a faggot retard
>>736082463you never played the game
>>736082463>>736082568the nameless one was cursed to sigil and his stories were branded on him
>>736056596that would be MGS1
>>736082463every time the nameless one dies he forgets. he writes on himself to try to remember
>>736082670>>736082602but why the back?The obvious problem is shown by morte who doesn't read the "don't trust the skull" tattoo until later. If TNO tattoo'd his forearms, for example, he could read his own diary himself.
>>736082779There's only so much room on your arms and TNO has several backups on the off-chance whoever could read his back doesn't cooperate.
>>736082883>>736082779>>736082670Jesus fucking christ I've been here too long. I swear I've read this exact exchange but slightly differently worded about 10 years ago on /v/.
>>736082779he died some many times he ran out of room
>>736056915what else is it praised for ? the 10% of basic crpg combat ? 90% of the time you play this is spent reading. 5% exploration and 5% combat
>>736083127the nest ending is when the nameless one realizes himself and goes back to murder everyone on the blood wars
>>736057592DLC was so fkn ass compared to the base game
>>736083225>best ending
>>736083225yeah that was the best "ending"
>>736083127>read the disks, retard.
>>736083289imo it was the most entertaining.
>>736056797Kurwabros…
someone pls post "that really updated my journal" meme. i lost my old meme folder
>>736083429you have to be more specific
>perpetual death sucks
>>736083252no
find the witch
the nameless one help end the blood wars even though he started it.
>>736083429This one?
thanks for recommending this game for like 20 years I finally got around to playing it last year and it really is as good as you all saidI wish I played it sooner
>>736082526>Endure, in enduring growth stronger.
>>736070690It's not garbage it's just mediocre
>>736071570I will never understand why retards think some lolsorundumb shit but with politics is any good
>>736081610The meaning of what exactly?
THE ONLY WELL WRITTEN GAMEKNEEL
>>736056596So what was his original sin?
>>736085419He didn't put the shopping cart back.
I liked it
>>736085665>we have disco elysium at home
This game seems to be really revered as an amazing story, and IIRC it even got good critic reviews, so It seems strange it was never dug up from the grave to make a forced sequel to be milked. did it never sell well?AFAIK the planescape tides game just uses the setting, or was that what the forced seqeuel?
>>736085751disco elysium is for NIGGERS>hurr play a game where you got listen to a nigger ramble in your ear for 60 hours>also gommunismfaggot game
>>736085751wat
>>736085172looks like just another anime isekai
>>736085834Planescape wasn't a commercial success. There was a spiritual successor though, Tides of Numanera, but it was hated.
>>736085835mind broken
>>736085897>isekaithere is no isekai. It's just a crazy ass adventure story with cool tweests and shit. Also fun gameplay. I had a rockin' good time with it.
>>736086007t. listened to a nigger narrate gay reddit commie bullshit for 60 hours
>>736056596>This is the greatest video game story ever toldYou could put Homer's Iliad in a video game and that wouldn't elevate a 0/10 game to even a 1/10, why do people say dumb shit like this
>>736086025I'll check it out
>>736085834How are you going to milk the gameplay: read textzoomers won't buy that
>>736085585NOOOOOO
>>736086410Based zoomers
>>736086479zoomers ain't going to read your comment unc
>>736085419He thought that leaving the lights on while leaving the room for a minute would save more power than turning them off and on again.
>>736056982TLOU, of course.
>>736085953>it was hatedWas it bad or just hated for different reasons? Im looking for a new rpg to play.
>>736056982It's actually Silent Hill 2 (and will always be Silent Hill 2) but /v/ is contrarian as always.
>>736085834>so It seems strange it was never dug up from the grave to make a forced sequel to be milked.It got a """"spiritual successor"""" in Torment: Tides of Numenera. That one sucked and bombed horribly.>did it never sell well?It sold alright, it wasn't a commercial failure but it never pulled baldurs gate numbers either.
>>736087797>Lost Highway but worsenah
>>736087650You can always pirate it and form your own opinion but it really is a weak videogame with nothing going for it. The setting is even more of an uninteresting kitchen sink, the gameplay is basically the inverse of planescape: instead of RTwP and tons of massed encounters it's turn-based and has almost no combat encounters at all. Both the story and the companions feel overly verbose in a way that wasn't nearly as grating in planescape but in numenera feels like genuine bid to pad out word count in almost everything you do, talk to or interract with. The story itself doesn't exactly know what it wants to be beyond the original "You lost your memories, something is chasing you, figure it out". In last 5 minutes you find out your ending is decided almost exclusively by your alignment and if you pick an option that doesn't fit it, you get a bad ending.That being said I haven't played it after they added an ooze character and changed a bunch of stuff, so I don't know if the game improved since.
>>736056775Xenogears is awful. Compare the writing quality of:Bart:Why would such an old man live all alone in this abandoned cave?Fei:I don't know. Probably digging for ancient Gears or something?Bart:Right! So you think so too?Fei:Hey! I just said that as a joke. Don't take all that stuff seriously. They're only legends, you know.Bart:No... that old man is up to something!Old Man Bal:This can't be...Fei:??Bart:What's wrong, old man?Old Man Bal:Is this your Gear?Fei:Well, sort of...Old Man Bal:Where did you get it?Fei:I'm just borrowing it.Old Man Bal:This is... the host for the spirit of the slayer of God...Fei:Wait a moment! What did you just say?Old Man Bal:Nothing. I didn't say anything!Fei:No! I heard you! You said, slayer of God... That's what you said, isn't it old man!!Old Man Bal:Your Gears are fixed. You have no more business here. This is a bad time for me. Be on your way!Fei:Be on our way...:? Listen here, old man...!!And"Your moldy chariot ferried you to the Mortuary, Restless One. You would think you were royalty based on the number of loyal subjects that lay stinking and festering upon the cart that carried you." "Your body was somewhere in the middle of the heap, sharing its fluids with the rest of the mountain of corpses." Dhall broke into another violent fit of coughing, finally catching his breath minutes later. "Your 'seneschal' Pharod was, as always, pleased to accept a few moldy coppers to dump the lot of you at the Mortuary gate."
>>736088112There isn't a single video game for which you can't point at something in another medium and reductively say>This is that, but worse.with no substantiation.
>>736075850Well, yeah, that's the tragedy. Those who are of good nature don't have to fear death precisely because things they're aligned with will lead them to a good afterlife. Some others know they're doing wrong things, and try to fix that, but they only know evil and so will do more evil, burying them further.
>>736056982Dark Souls, the way it's told is unique to the vidya medium and it's a commentary about life, death, acceptance, time and how it shapes humanity. Kino doesn't come close to properly describe it.
>>736056982My personal top 3 is Black Souls 2, Expedition 33 and Lobotomy Corporation.
I have built small altar to worship the Lady of Pain. Many blessings will come to you, if you do the same. Lady deserves to be broken from her Cage, let's free her with our prayers.
>>736089919>Play dark souls 1>wander around and beat the game not knowing what the fuck is going on, why im doing it, or where im going for 95% of it, and constantly wander into late game areas way earlier than intendedI don't need novel length dialogues and waypoints, but at simple "objective: Find the shibble-dibble" to remind me would have been nice. I wasn't aware I was supposed to read every flavor text to piece together a story until too late in the game and by then I just didn't care.
>>736090785>>wander around and beat the game not knowing what the fuck is going on, why im doing it, or where im going for 95% of it, and constantly wander into late game areas way earlier than intendedYep, kino.
>>736064109Legacy of Kain is carried hard by voice acting and good “moment to moment” writing. The biggest problem is that every single one of Raziel’s lines are him dooming about fate for three games straight. He needed to do SOMETHING at some point.>I renounce you.Is pretty kino tho.
>>736074221By most definitions there's infinite prime material planes, so it naturally lends itself to crossovers. Most games I've been in don't spend too long on a single prime though because all the crazy interplanar shit is the point of the setting.>>736075357And the fact that there's literally zero swords in the game despite that being the default fantasy weapon. Okay there's one sword but you have to change it into a non-sword before you can use it.
>>736056596I've never seen such a young man
>>736090785The first NPC you encounter tells you what you need to do, anon, which is to fulfill the prophecy of the undead, the second tells you to ring a few bells, if by then you can't put together that ringing the bells will help you fulfill the prophecy, I don't know what to say, man.After you ring both bells the game gets linear until Anor Londo and right after, the sneks tell you what to do, it's genuinely not that difficult.>I wasn't aware I was supposed to read every flavor text to piece together a storyStory and lore are not the same, to piece the lore together, reading flavor text is part of it, but the game story is clear, fulfill the god damn prophecy.Besides that, lore in this game is not just reading flavor text, NPC dialogue, the enviroments, the level design, it all comes together to tell the lore of the world.>>736090852Yeah, even then, getting lost deep in the underground and not knowing the world could go even deeper, or climbing through undead burg to find the elevator, can be real kino.
The dialogue in this game is so good bros. Enormous gravitas without being cringe or emo. Modern writers could never. Vhailor and Coaxmetal are two of my favourite characters.> "The multiverse is your enemy? Why?"> THE MULTIVERSE BREATHES. IT GROWS. IT STAGNATES. IT FORGES ITS CHAINS AROUND THE PLAINS LINK BY LINK. IN TIME, EVEN ENTROPY MAY BE CHAINED.> "And you're opposed to chaining entropy?"> WHEN A THING SEALS ITSELF AGAINST ITS OWN DESTRUCTION, IT MERELY DIES A DIFFERENT DEATH.> "So you're saying immortality is just a different kind of death?"> IMMORTALITY IS ONLY A WORD. ALL THAT EXISTS CAN DIE. EVERY LIVING THING HAS A WEAPON AGAINST WHICH IT HAS NO DEFENSE. TIME. DISEASE. IRON. GUILT.Besides Legacy of Kain and Cultist Simulator I've never managed to find any games with this style of writing. Some of these sentences are burned into my brain, never get tired of them. Modern writers always feel the need to insert stupid witty quips and other out of place sentences that completely ruin the atmosphere and immersion.
Updated my journal
>>736085419He talked to a woman.
>>736083772yep
>>736056596Planescape is basically a visual novel and almost all good vidya stories are VNs bcs they dont have to hamfist incohesive gameplay systems into the pacing and the presentation outside of that i think Legacy of Kain and Pathologic are good. but past that... its getting slim. you could say that JRPGs present their "stories" in a cohesive manner but their stories are not really ambitious and to formulaic. though i did like FF9 and Grandia a lot i would not call them ambitious stories.
>>736096079Black Souls and Xenogears are ambitious. That's about it really.
>>736089919calm down. Dark souls is just lore scavanger hunt designed as bait for youtube channels. in many ways it is cynical and very, very low effort. at least it doesnt disturb the gameplay. and thats the best i can say about it.
>>736096079Pic unrelated? That VN sucks balls.
>>736056596>words words wordsthe game
>>736096536And that's a good thing.
>>736056596I just finished it for the first time a few days ago and with my immediate reaction still fresh in my mind I'm inclined to agreenot the greatest game (they could have used twice the budget and two more years of devtime) but the story, characters and writing was worthwhile; and I say this as someone who hates the D&D settingshout out for my migga (mechanical nigga) Nordrom who I think most people missedFall-From-Grace best girl even though romanced Annah by accident
>>736096709Annah is the best girl thougheverbeit.
>>736063473Smoldering Corpse is goated
>>736096827do tieflings shave their pussi?
>>736096827It's a tight race and I thought so until the last conversation in Fortress of Regrets
>>736096915most do Annah doesn'tyou can ask this of her in Curst prison if you join the dustmen and play as a chaotic neutral thief
>>736056797kek>Ravel Pierogiwell asked him "What can change the nature o a Slav?"
>>736063993I can understand why you would want one but its good you did not
>>736096952In the official novelisation, both Annah and grace are searching for TNO but Annah is desperate to find him.
>>736096709Fall-From-Grace is honestly one of my favourite female characters in vidya, just the idea of a "fallen succubus" was so interesting and I really enjoyed all conversations with her throughout, plus her theme was just incredible while talking to her. I vaguely remember reading that a low int/high cha Nameless One can kiss her which instantly kills him but could never find proof of that.
>>736056596Not even close
>>736058157fucking kek
>>736056596If it's so good you could easily explain what it's about.
We can all agree that the average japanese writer beats the average western writer, but great western writers absolutely destroy great japanese writers right?
>>736062717Annah made me cringeFall-From-Grace will kill youso Fall-From-Grace
>>736097403hen you think about it planescape has the exact same overarching story as the first stalker game: a guy with amnesia following the tracks of some guy that turns out to be himself
>In the official novelisation
>>736063719Not just made-up, Karissa fucked with evidence WHILE SHE WAS PREPARING TO APPEAL, the moment a mutual for both (Koobismo, dude who did those Marauder Shields comics) wrote this statement -https://jeffdjohnson.medium.com/the-truth-will-always-find-you-4439cea1d25Karissa locked her Deviantart to delete all traces of their friendship, then made an>I WAS HACKED BY AN INCEL!!!!!!!!!!post to cover her asspussy, but watch as Koobs disappears between archives over 4 monthshttps://web.archive.org/web/20210626155514/https://www.deviantart.com/karissaeb/https://web.archive.org/web/20211012031758/https://www.deviantart.com/karissaeb/She deleted her entire DA out of embarassment, complete and utter womyn moment
>>736066774Only game that made me feel like a "male manipulator"
>>736064687I wish the Lustmord music from the fallout cd trailor made it in
>>736088420Bein flowery is not an inherently good quality.Otherwise Arknights would be a masterpiece of writing.
>>736097403A love story between a walking corpse and a floating skull.
>>736073052yeah, the composition of the fights were the biggest problelm with the combat
>>736069290lol
>>736097309>I vaguely remember reading that a low int/high cha Nameless One can kiss her which instantly kills himI remember doing that at one point on a regular character but you had to keep insisting until she was like "Ugh fine"Wouldn't be surprised if the game had reactivity like that tho.
>>736082526thank dickkon I am going to release you from endentured servitude (for eternity) now...NOT!
>>736097713There is a certain amount of linguistic skill required to write a good story. Take Hemingway: he uses simple words, but puts them together in a way that creates rhythm and is pleasant to read. You can writer simple and appealing, and you can write flowery and repulsive. Xenogears is both simple and repulsive.
>>736056596I aint readin that shit nigga
>>736093908I too liked speaking with COAXMETALI wound up using his dagger to threaten to kill myself with to get my mortality back because I thought it was kind of the coolest option
>>736097309>I vaguely remember reading that a low int/high cha Nameless One can kiss her which instantly kills him but could never find proof of that.fucking based and hilariouslike worshiping the Lady of Pain (truth) through the doll you can buy at the curios shop and finding out that it wasn't the first time she ever mazed you
>>736097590Strelok has to spend eternity in the SN pee pee fighting off burans and nine billion monolit fighters armed with gauss rifles in the noosphere wars for the crime of reaching the center of the zone
>>736098196>You can writer simple and appealing, and you can write flowery and repulsive.Don't play Torment Tides of Numenera. The descriptions of the world will give you brain cancer.
>>736097309is it possible to read her journal?
who else /Adahn/ here?
>>736098196Hemingway was a paranoid drunkard depressed clown some aesthetic ambition would have done wonders to his life
>>736096342Why are saying its the best thing since slice bread ?
>>736099737People*
Is it better for the planes if The Nameless One dies in the Blood War?
>>736099737Because they are retarded and the VN is often the first time they've read something close to book. That VN is mostly just misery porn with awfully convenient plotlines within it. Its music and artstyle are actually good though unlike its writing.
>>736056775I unironically believe Xenogears has the same depth of Brothers Karamazov. Tell me Fei isn't Alyosha, or that Solaris isn't the modern version of the great inquisitor. Ivan returns the ticket, Grahf destroys the theater, and Krelian reconstructs it.
>>736100539No, you're insane. As bad as Dostoevsky's prose can get (compared to the other greats), it's still miles above Xenogears, as is his skill at character writing and exploring philosophical ideas. Xenogears reads like a badly MTL'd light novel >>736088420
>>736100726Krelian:What are you doing Lacan?Lacan:Oh it's you, Krelian... I was thinking... I'd stop painting theportrait...Krelian:Why stop now...?Lacan:It's the circumstances. I shouldn't be painting at a time like this.Eventually, shetoo must stand at the front lines. So...Krelian:Is that really the problem?Lacan:...Krelian:Lacan...?Lacan:... Her smile... It's killing me. The more she smiles at me, the moreI... I feel my very being become insignificant. Inside my heart there is this empty existence.Other thanpainting, I have no worth... Yet, she continues to accept my presence. I feellike I'm gettingsmaller and smaller. I didn't have this feelign in the beginning. I just wantedto paint herone more minute... one more second longer... I wanted to keep on paintingforever. But,suddenly I couldn't. As the picture neared completion, the empty part of mestarted tomanifest itself in my brushstokes. I was meant to be painting her as she reallyis... but ...this picture is... my own self... My empty self has begun to appear withinthere. That'swhy... I've got to stop now.Krelian:Your won self...? You're just running away! You can't bear it when shesmiles at you.By painting her portrait, you noticed the gap between your own inner emptinessand her innerabundance. And you could not fill that gap... That's why you are quiting yourpainting. Youare refusing her! Even so, you still can't bring yourself to leave her, canyou? In spite ofthat... why is it that she continues to smile at you? You who can't accept herfeelings... Youwho won't accept her feelings... Tell me why!? If it was me... who wasreceiving... suchfeelings...
>>736100313Okay what about umineko and reverend insanity ?
>>736068760>What's stopping him from that?Bethesda hasn't taken him up for some reason, and I'm willing to bet Pagliarulo is involved somehow.>Rundown?During the height of Me Too, Avellone got accused of raping some girls that used to work for him. Obsidian immediately fired him while he was in the middle of developing Tyranny, a personal passion project of his, and then immediately released that game in a half-finished, cobbled together mess. Turns out the girls were lying the entire time, but the reputational damage has been done.
>>736098196there's more to writing than the words you read. does the narrative advance in a believable way or do things just happen because it's convenient? do characters have believable motivations? does the story present some kind of idea beyond relating a sequence of events? as I explained earlier and everyone ignored planescape sucks at most of these aspects.
>>736101189>uminekoEntertaining read but nowhere near as good as it is hyped up to be, mainly has to do with garbage prose.>Reverend insanityDunno haven't even heard about it.
>>736056775>xenogearFuck no, it's all pretentious shit.
>>736103208Evangelion is pretentious, Xenogears is the opposite, it explains everything
What's the most fun build for this game if I were to try it in the year of our Lord 2026? Is it a melee or a magic focus game?
>>736102871Umineko is a lot better in the manga adaptation where they polish things up and shorten a lot of the more obnoxious aspects.
Aside from Planescape and Xenogears, what are other 10/10 must play for story?
playing it for the first time and man there's a lot of reading, when will I be able to progress the story instead of interacting with side NPCs that have a novella's worth of dialogue are all CRPGs like this?
>>736103494They both ARE pretentious shits. Why do you think nips add Gnostic and Christian lore to their story without understanding the background behind it? It's because they think it's cool and mysterious, and it sounds complicated.
>>736104102For Eva you're right, but Xenogears actually uses that stuff
>>736100869Kino
>>736103996>picks literally the most verbose CRPG in existence>complains about wordsMaybe you should start with Icewind Dale instead.
>>736104174Such as? I am willing to understand your explanation.
>>736056775Man if only JRPGs aren't 100 hours long of cringe anime dialog
>>736056982MGS2 or Silent Hill 2.>>736057592The storytelling actually ruins it.>>736068840The prose is excellent but the actual plot not so much.
>>736104532>100 hoursPlease anon, most classic jrpgs are only 50 at best. Not every game is persona 5.
>>736056775>emulate this for the first time>the intro is some nonsense about noah's ark or something>literally die laughing because it's like the most painfully generic pretentious JRPG that I thought mostly existed in parody>get bored when the actual game startsDoes it get better after the first hour.
>>736057178YIELDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ0lTTiDtBo
>>736104780>>the intro is some nonsense about noah's ark or somethingLol>Does it get better after the first hourYes, patience motherfucker.
>>736104679nu-jrpgs are so bad, all that extra space to cram way more dialogue and text and it's the most boring SoL garbage imaginable
>>736100869Literally shounen tier, are you for real anon?
>>736056596Too bad the actual game is ass.
>>736105786Elaborate
>>736090012>Expedition 33Lmao. Play FF6 it mogs E33.
>>736104331He takes religion and strips it of the sacred. For example: Raziel, the angel of knowledge, is actually the supercomputer from the Eldridge, you'll see that every reference has a precise purpose. Even with science, to justify why Fei and Elly retain their memories, Takahashi uses introns, DNA parts once considered "junk" and gives them a narrative meaning.
>>736089919Why is it that despite Dark Souls insane popularity not a single person who played it seems to realize it's just one big homage to Greek mythology.People feel smug about pointing out the Berserk inspirations but don't even understand it's all Evropean kino.
which youtuber made a PST video now that zoomers are making threads?
>>736056596I agree
>>736102871Dies irae is it good?
>>736056596Shame about the WOAT """gameplay.""" Gas all bookfags
>>736089919Dark souls story pretty good but the dialogue not so much. Don't know any game with dialogue as good as PST. Legacy of Kain series being the closest contender.
>>736107775Imagine writing Planescape as a book, you'd need 3000 Pages.
>>736107509lmao
>>736102250Writing is like food. Your writing skills are like your base ingredients. You can make arrange (plot progression, characterisation) in various forms, and as long as your cooking skills are good enough, you can make something tasty even if the raw materials are substandard (Herbert, Dostoevsky). High quality raw ingredients can be served as is (lyric poetry, disregarding any sort of plot, characterisation etc) But if your base ingredients are rotten or straight up inedible (Xenogears), then no matter how good of a cook you are, you can't save the dish.
>>736068894It was really that good, playid with a walkthrough open that helped me not miss any of the text and how to cheese the games awful combat system in the most painless way possible.
>>736108293Idk man people are really overhyping these vn for whatever reason especially on youtube/tiktokTalking about them as if it was shakespear tier im starting to think these guys are larping fake readers
>>736107509It's, first and foremost, F U N. Stupidly over the top, great fun descriptions, incredibly colourful characters. It's like F/SN if it were good.The story is whatever, it's just there to set up bigger and flashier fight scenes.
>>736056596I wouldn’t know. The game is unplayable dreck.
>>736063862This is probably the stupidest post in the threadmaking fun of how a character looks instead of talking about anything within the game
>>736097309I feel like she is the character TNO becomes closest with throughout the game, there's no bad blood or dark history between them and they share a bond that goes beyond friendship or romance. Culminating in her swearing to try to save him, the one glimmer of hope in TNO's fate
>>736099360I used that as a username/display name in many places throughout the years, any time I needed something temporary or a quick fake name.
>>736056596Sort of falls apart after Ravel. I feel I'm the only one that prefers the sort-of investigative part when you exit the hive over the combat in crust
I know this is pretty much a PST thread now. But I really think Hotline Miami and Pathologic are among the best written games. Very different styles, but theyre all pretty great.
>>736113365agree on both accountsPathologic especially because of how well integrated the interactivity is into the story
>>736113365>>736113689Are all 3 Pathologic games worth for the story?
>>7361138831 and 2 are the same
>>736099958He can't die in the Blood War, he's already dead. His afterlife is the Blood War. And by being there, it means he has regained his mortality and thus, he does not force anyone to die in his place - because he's dead and thus can't die. Yes, he is sentenced to an eternity of war and suffering, but that's okay, because he will still be the Nameless One at heart. Because what can change the nature of a man?
>>736113365Still haven't played the new pathologic because I wanted to re-play the previous first but I hadn't got time :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rihdp0obMZA
Not sure on 'plot' quality, but in terms of storytelling I'd go with Grim Fandango, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Devil May Cry 3.
>>736113883Pathologic 2 and 3 are remakes of the Haruspex and Bachelor paths of Pathologic 1, respectively
>>736114859DMC3 might get dismissed by some plebeians for being an action cuhrazey game but it does have maybe the most compact and tight narrative I've ever seen in a game. There's only 4 characters and every dialogue scene between them gets everything needed across, and nailing the themes of brotherhood, childhood, humanity, good and evil. Also the cutscene direction is incredible.
>>736113883kinda
>>736097121sobriety
>>736116097agreed>>736117296kek
Looked like Xavier from the thumbnail
do you even Pathologic, nigga?
>>736056596>>736056775>>736056982This game looks like fucking shit. So it's bad. Don't care how great your 'story' is if it looks like ugly cgi slop. The Japanese invented the Visual Novel so we have no need for silly things like 'gameplay'. Only Visuals, Audio, and Text. Planescape is a failure.
>>736056596https://strawpoll.com/7rnzVk57lnO/results
Plan Escape on page 1
>>736122501>Plan: Escape Torment>at the end MC is punished to fight in a never-ending warAvellone-sama........
>>736056596>This is the greatest video game story ever told. Nothing comes close.Meanwhile ranked in literature terms it's like a lower-mid tier fantasy novel.I don't get why videogoymers equate story in games to game quality, this is obviously a subpar medium for narrative.
>>736096194Dark Souls 1 released in 2011, when the height of youtube content was 240p cat videos. The concept of appealing video essayists didn't even exist then.
>>736123601Name 3 real books
>>736124303The screenplays of: 'Ernest in the Army', 'Ernest Goes to Africa', & 'Slam Dunk Ernest'.
>>736056982Depends on your classification. My gut reaction is Higurashi but that's a VN so it feels like cheating.In terms of using the strength of an interactive game as a medium of storytelling (so not text-based or script-based like a VN or moviegame would be), for me it has to be Deus Ex.Before you cry "That's a secondary pick", it has simple yet genius environmental storytelling that is intrinsically tied to gameplay. Everything in the world is interactable in some way and this can often reveal truths about a location or character just by looking at object placements and their properties.Also, can you name another game that has the sheer volume of world flavor text that is both highly entertaining AND highly thoughtful? A lot of games have written side content in the environment, like books, diaries, computer terminals etc, and they're almost always just massive loredumps that are obviously written by the writers for efficiency, and not natural fun reading that makes sense from the perspective of the person who wrote it. It's not fun to insert your own wikibait and planning notes into the story.Deus Ex was one of the first games to do both environmental and textual storytelling of these kinds and I still think it remains the best example at doing both well despite how many games tried to copy it and failed to understand what made it so great.
check out this banger of a song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2HwH1JkAI
>>736056596>This is the greatest video game story ever told.Its good but Arcanum is betterHaving seen the impact of necromantic magic throughout the entire game, vengeful wraiths trapped in purgatory, all the NPCs whose spirits you meet as quest failsafes, even Virgil going over the edge, it silently prepares you for this final twist and last challengeBy letting the player abuse extremely immoral necromancy, it gives you a natural feeling of guilt that Kerghan may actually be correct in his claim that the dead can never truly rest as long as even a single sentient creature remains alive since anyone could painfully be called back at any time. Its a chilling thought and a very interesting resolution to a game that has a really cool setting and a lot of really likeable charactersSadly nobody has played it and the few who have rarely discuss it in greater detail beyond "Hehe gnome quest"
>>736125595I never really considered the necromancy angle in Arcanum, but it feels right, yeah. It's cool seeing Virgil (forma de zen) agreeing with Kerghan on some points. It's also just a fun story about people's grand plans and conspiracies to make a false prophecy just shattering by cornering someone into actually fulfilling that prophecy to a letter to avoid getting killed. I enjoyed Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind for the same reason, kinda.
>>736125595you'd think with so much magical power at his behest to wipe out all sentient life he'd instead use it to cut the magical ties of necromancysurely there's a way to permanently block it and cut the ties of every undead thing so nobody can resurrect another and all of the living dead find peace
So.. which CRPG has the best romance?
>>736063184Knight Blazer is cheesy as fuck but it just works
>>736082257>holocringe>good storykek
>>736098419"blade of the immortal" ending can also be exceedingly funny>kill yourself as the first thing in the last area, getting the ending you deserve>threaten TRANSCENDENT ONE with killing yourself so he merges back with you>threaten to kill yourself and follow through lmao
>>736057681>Jewshit>good storykek
>>736113883First one is experimental game from artfags, equal parts clever and tedious. The writing is strong, and really the only reason one would engage with the original game.Second game is a remix of one of the routes, more refined and focused both narratively and mechanically. Great stuff all around, provided you like artsy stuff of course.Third game is a remix of another route, and way less involved mechanically, more of an adventure walky-talky game. A character assassination of Bachelor Dankovsky, holy fuck Polyhedron/Simon endings were awful. I feel like if you LOVED 2 you might HATE 3 for discarding the grime and friction that really defined previous games.
>>736063445Vhailor's Helm is also one of the most busted items in BG2
>>736130096This is a good breakdown of themif you do commit to playing 1, please do your best to at least stick through the bachelor and haruspex routes-- the changeling route doesn't have the same level of polish, but if you stick through those other two first you are likely to put up with the third route's bullshit just for the sake of finishing it and its probably actually worth doing at that point
