is there a gacha that is actually a good game?
no
>>736077642They are made to extract money from losers, and not to be fun and satisfying so no
>>736077642So how is that any different from any other modern AAA game that plays itself?
No.All gachaslop should be banished to /vmg/ where it belongs.
I'm so horny.
>>736077697
>>736077642There are gacha games with good aspects. Like the exploration in Genshin, the game has fucking five years of content at this point.But while they can be enjoyable, I'm pretty sure everybody will agree that these games would be better if they were not gacha, and were instead regular games without annoying grindy mechanics, or shit with strong character completely trivializing the difficulty. Yes, I know that happens in normal games too, but usually in those you have to work to break the game. Meanwhile in gacha it's just getting the new DPS, and you're sweeping all of the non-endgame content.
>>736077642No. You win. Now you can leave and play a video game instead of spending your time here.
roblox
>>736077642No gacha fan ever told me to play their games.
>>736077642If I wasn't wageslaving right now I'd be drawing porn of that gacha girl. I find her eyes attractive.
>>736077642Kind of not the point with these. Even if the gameplay was absolutely orgasmic, most gachafags would still hate the idea of replaying the same parts again and again for months, and would beg for a skip button anyway.
>>736078665NewLORD...
>>736077642
>>736077642>gacha>good>gamePick 2. It should be obvious what's wrong with /v/ when you realize which one is going to get left out.
>>736079928>>gacha>>goodAnon that's not how the "pick two out of three" meme works.
>>736077642categorically no
>>736080114Now look at which one you would leave out if you tried to pick those two
>>736080176Wdym
>>736077642Yes
>>736080203That's not how it works you muppet.
>>736080660Let spell it out for you: it's not supposed to work. Picking those two options together is a trap, but also the two options most gachatards on /v/ would pick. There's no such thing as a "good gacha" which is exactly why there's no "game" when you pick that.
>>736077750Mods will never do this because gacha companies pay to advertise here.
>>736078010>exploration in Genshin>good aspectDon't listen to this gigatard nigger. Genshin "exploration" is just an endless checklist of destroy pile of rocks with hammer and floating slowly while following goldfish for 30 seconds just to get that map exploration up by 0.001%. The only gacha game with good exploration out there is WuWa with multiple fast traversal options and actual puzzles
>>736080927>Let spell it out for you: it's not supposed to work.The meme is supposed to work you fucking idiot. You present three options of which picking any two results in a true statement.>There's no such thing as a "good gacha"Then you fucked it up, you retard.
>>736080927>implying gachas are good movies
>>736077891the captain raises a good point
>>736081825not really
>>736078665>Why yes I've been on 4chan for less than 5 minutes how could you tell
The marketers are this board really got to be less obvious
>>736078589Pretty much Dandy’s World. And that has to be the worse game I have ever played and the designs look like the 2010s had a stroke and died. Also the people who actually spend money on this game and merch are actually retarded.
>>736077642Chaos Zero Nightmare is almost a good game. However the playerbase is full of mongoloids who don't want to do the only good part of the game because it can take up to an hour.
>>736080963>gacha tribalism in gacha-bad threadHere’s a bitter pill to swallow: they’re both shit, and you retards should stay in your lane and stop your autistic shit-flinging already
>>736077697Elden Ring is a triple A title without microtransactions. Name a single gacha that isn't a virtual casino.
>>736077642No. Tried Genshin, HSR, Endfield. All trash meant to appease people who have never actually played real video games because they can't afford them.
>>736081930I just don't go into gacha threads. Why do you?
>>736077642octopath 0 took a gacha and tooled it into an actual game that's good.
>>736077891At least gacha has hot girls and bad gameplay and not ugly girls and bad gameplay.
zenless zone zerohttps://youtu.be/GNZMteGhwWA?t=289
>>736082765>At least gacha has [...] gameplaylolno>hot girlssadpanda has them too.
>>736077642>blobshit mspaint strawmanwhat does the chef have that's new?
>>736082683>they invaded threads for franchises that aren't originally gacha>it was a thread asking if gacha's any good and I wanted to be helpful and politely answer??
I only ever played one gacha and that was Romancing SaGa Re:Universe because I'm a bit fan of SaGa. I played to the very last day before EoS. Had a pretty good pity system too. I never felt the need to spend money to get what I wanted or needed for content.
>>736082889I'm sorry, lets just make another hundred Resident Evil threads instead.
NEET hereHave been juggling around 4 GachasIt has become a bit tiresome.
>>736082271This. It's impossible to have good exploration when your reward is a pittance of gacha currency.
>>736083019Good luck with your gender reassignment surgery
>>736077642I wouldn't call it good but I had a period where I got addicted to Arknights. Yes, the game. I legit skipped every story and talking parts, have zero context for everything happened in game, roll for some of the meta characters (cause my waifu is literally free, pic related) and just play the tower defense game. I even remember losing sleep over it. Though eventually the power/feature creep overwhelmed me and I bailed.
>>736083019>noo you can't talk about the original Resident Evil games in a video game boardAnd gachafags wonder why no one likes them.
>>736083063This fucks me up so bad. I played Genshin when it first came out and it WOULD HAVE been a comfy experience if the gacha system hadn’t turned my intrinsic motivation into an external one (you MUST open the chest and break the rocks for a whopping FIVE primogems boyo, think of the hot grills you will have a CHANCE to get!). At that point the entire game’s become a huge chore that I’m relieved to drop
>>736077642Yes, but I don’t want you faggots playing it.
>>736083245Same. Exploration literally becomes a chore just so you can get more gambling bucks. The worst part is that side quests function on the same reward structure, except they're longer and the dialogue is unskippable.
>>736077642You're poor
>plays itselfIT TAKES 1 HOUR TO DO ALL THE DAILY MISSIONS IN ALL THE GAMES I PLAY
Somehow hoyoshit convinced everyone gacha is supposed to replace playing actual games but gacha is supposed to be for a few minutes of dopamine while you're stuck at work and then you go home and play actual games.
>>736082840Sadpanda isn't a game thoughbeit.
>>736082683I've seen several thread OPs that were more or less just "Play [gacha]" or "Play gacha"
>>736085349Neither is gacha.
>>736077642I have severe anime simp fatigue I used to be able to ignore waifu fags But at least waifu fags played gamesGacha niggers literally gamble for things they could get for free on a booru. Using real money. One a cellphone. And yet they dominate gaming spaces with their constant spam and aren't forced onto their mobile game board.I can't see anime women as anything but generic anymore. Just another fucking lazy face shoved onto a generic body with slutty and/or overdesigned clothingI seriously cannot stand gacha niggers
>>736085556Okay
>you don't like gacha?>just don't play it>paragraphs of seething
>>736085731Fuck off goycha nigger
Resonance Solstice is the White man’s gacha.
>>736085352That’s just Wuwakeks
>>736077642I would not know I refuse to even install this garbage.
>>736077642Why does a game need to be deep?
No. There are some that are OK games but I don't want you in my fanbase so I shan't be telling you the names.
>>736080963>actual puzzlesThey're the exact same shit as Genshin puzzles you dumb jeet.
At best there are gacha games that appeal to your particular brand of autism and aren't too greedy, but that doesn't make them good.
>>736082229Truth Nuke.
>>736082252While I enjoyed the game at the start, it's still a gacha at the end of the day and so it comes with all of the entrapments of the genre like extreme randomness in the equipment you get so you need to keep on farming nonstop like a chinese at the rice fields.Why would I play FOMO Slay the Spire when I can already play Slay the Spire 2 for 10 bucks? It's just not worth it after a while.
>>736078010If it was a normal game then it wouldn't exist in its current state. You'd have gotten Mondstadt, maybe Liyue and you'd have paid sixty dollars and that would be it. The game only exists because there are enough dumb whales to fund endless development. I'm perfectly fine with that, in fact I'm fucking thrilled about it. Anyone who wants to can download the game for free and have access to six years worth of continuous updates and expansion. The only games you could compare that to would be MMOs, and those are gonna cost you fifty to eighty dollars to get access to all current content, plus fifteen dollars a month tip. And obviously there are tradeoffs between those two models, but the people have spoken and they prefer the gacha model.tl;dr, you get gacha or you get nothing, and you're not part of the voting base
>>736077692fpbpthread should've ended right here.
>>736077642dunno
>>736077642Wizardy: Variants Daphne
>>736087706>Brazil plays Limbus CompanyBut why?
>>736088170hype moments and aura
>>736077777
>>736088170Project moon world is just brazil, so to them is like a brazil game
>>736077642xenoblade chronicles 2
>>736087450>Muh endless content Boring, tedious Asian writingHard pass
>>736077642Uma
>>736077642wuwa
>>736089726I need to give that game a try someday, but I have too many games to play.
no theyre all bad games you win, go back to playing fotm garbage or emulating games from the 90s
>>736090393wait for the definitive edition later this year which is only a rumour but i really want it to be real
>>736090448I'm going to emulate it anyway, I'm not in a hurry.
>>736077642Genshin back when it had an actual story with lore hidden in exploration.All of it has been forgotten in favor of just pumping out waifubait and homobait.
>>736080927Holy retard.Man, why you LARPing as an oldfag when this is apparently you.
>>736090526hopefully a sw2 emulator exists by then, because the game as-is has some really horrid QOL and you'd probably bounce off it hard
>>736090718Like no "skip tutorials" option? :^)
>>736087706>Limbus CompanyWhat's the point? The girls are like fully clothed at all times.
>>736077642now here's what it'd look like if it was kino
>>736092363There's a chance of picking up real girls at a casino.
>>736092363a tale as old as time
>>736077642I liked Azur Lane in the beginning because it was hard enough to make me think about my build. But like all gachas it got stupid easy as new OP waifus and gear released.
>>736092453No thanks, I'm not into golddiggers or grandmas.
>>736077891
>>736077642>>736077891>crk>gooner gameholy projection
>>736092584There's a chance of picking up genuine maidens at a colosseum.
>>736083052You gonna tell us what those 4 are?
>>736092848No thanks, I'm not into harlots or wenches.
>>736077642Gfl
>>736092828Manju Cookie
>>736077642>is there a gacha that is actually a good game? No
>>736093686They're all basically chibis, how are you supposed to goon to them in the game?
>>736077692fpbp. Gachas are pseudo games and traps for people to milk money from them. If there is ever a glimmer of decency in it then it is overshadowed by the fact it's a gacha. You're playing a game that is just DLC and one day it'll disappear completely.
gachas by design cannot be good. the characters you are sold are either gimped to make you buy the next one or quickly powercreeped by the next meta changer; story cannot have stakes because that would mean killing off characters which you have to sell to paypigs so that's a no-no, but you also cannot dramatically challenge them because that could make them undesirable which hurts sales; they're just a fucking grindfest, any self-respecting individual who values their time will inevitably stop playing once the 2 weeks of honeymoon are over. but wuwa, genshin, sword of convallaria, wizardry daphne are solid as far as gacha games go. they have gameplay, graphics, waifus, story to keep you engaged without desperately trying to take your money.
>>736093745>implying people don't toon to chibis
>>736077642Phone games in general sucked. Before any of this free to play microtransaction shit. They were all limited to whatever you could do on a touchscreen. Pile on all the microtransaction shit to that and you've got feline AIDS
>>736077642even the lamest forgotten 5/10 PS2 era jrpgs and action games provide more fulfilling experiences than honkai star rail and zenless zone zero
>>736077642Fuck no. I played Limbus back during its release year because I was willing to give Project Moon a chance after Lobcorp and Ruina, but I got tired of it and uninstalled it around the time they added the first railway. It was a grind and you had to statcheck the enemies via superior attack/defense stats and there was a dailies mechanic and it had a battle pass and it was just pure slop.I was hoping they would use the game's funds to make more games as they mentioned at some point but then the game became their main money printing cash cow and suddenly, one day they've decided to dedicate all their effort on maintaining it (it was getting buggy, rushed updates) so they couldn't work on anything else anymore. 3 years later and there's not even a hint of any other game being worked on. I hope governments will catch up and ban gacha.
>>736094385flappy bird
>>736077642 >>736077697 play Nintendo games!
Any game with stupid waifu pandering is bad by default. Gacha just so happens to be most prominent.
Every gacha game that happens to be somewhat decent is so DESPITE being a gacha, not because of it.The truth is that no game benefits from being a gacha, every single positive aspect of a game does not need to be tied to the gacha model to exist, in a sense it's very similar to the NFT craze of a few years ago where you had people going 'but you could do this, and that!' without realizing that NFTs never needed to be part of that equation for a game to have 'this and that'.And while no game benefits from being a gacha, it is also not a neutral agent, either: Plenty of gacha games are worse PRECISELY because of the gacha elements they have been saddled with. The need to have a constant churn of banners, units and events will almost inevitably impact the quality of everything else:Worse gameplay because making a system that can house dozens and dozens and dozens of different characters is too unfeasible, so it is always either extremely simplified or outright autobattler shitWorse balance because there has to be constant power creep but also the game has to still be beatable by people who are unlucky and haven't rolled any good unitsWorse story because new banner characters have to be featured so people want to roll for them, even if it makes no sense for them to be thereWorse characters because there's a need to keep up a constant churn of new banners, which means characters often are a somewhat appealing design and nothing else, because the writers cannot keep up with the rapid-fire schedule so they rely on 2dimensional tropes and archetypesWorse events because 'well its christmas/summer/valentines/what have you, so we HAVE to have an event', which often makes the writing an afterthought because its not a story someone wrote because they wanted toAnd I could go on. I will be honest and say I still enjoy gachas like FGO or Limbus, but I don't lie to myself: Them being gachas is the worst possible form those games could have taken, and that's just the truth
>>736094385Touchscreen 'limitations' are all in the heads of the developers, who try to design games just like they would for any other platform. Devs who know how to work it, produce fine games. Problem is for most devs there is no incentive to go that far when the highest grossing games are gacha and literal adware.
>>736077642genshin is great x3
>>736096718This is also what made all virtual cardgames suck ass. No graveyard and no interactions because it's awkward to implement on a touchscreen makes every single one, from Hearthstone to Shadowverse, shallow as a puddle
Imagine actually caring about a Gacha's "lore"
>>736077642OP is a colossal faggot
>>736094329>tooning to chibisgave me a chuckle
>>736097067op didn't say any of those things so
Obviously not, the very definition of gacha is gambling. It's legit for mentally ill people only.
People with chronic loser mentality hates people who spend and hate people who save.
>>736097067I hate gooners and attractive women because it encourages bad games.
Absolutely not. The gacha plague has done about as much harm to videogames as the woke plague, but people aren't ready to face that yet
>>736097316Ah yes bad games such as modern halo, dustborn, concord, marathon, crimson desert, call of duty, fortnite, arc raiders, helldivers.We're living in a world where the only games worth looking forward to are nintendo games and the poors melting down and making up flimsy excuses wont change that.
>>736097197Gacha isn't gambling because you can't cash out.
>>736097756You can sell your account for cash
>>736097804And i can sell my games for cash. I can sell my car for cash. I can sell my house for cash.
>>736096558trvth nvke
I hate gacha because they're bad games desighned to train you like a rat and take your money, you hate them because they're softcore porn, we're not the same.
no answer people give for good gatcha games will be accepted by people who hate them at a conceptual level.the games themselves and the monetization for most of these types of games are fairly independent from each other so the games are fully capable of being good but the real question if they are.personally i feel Genshin Impact and the other games are copy the formula are some of the better ones (Wuthering Waves ect) but if your wanting a more brain off experience there are things like Star Rail or that Uma game to play.
>>736083336"My girlfriend goes to a different school in Canada" ass post
Limbus Company and Blue Archive.Been playing them for years now without spending a dime and will continue to do so. Limbus is janky with the gacha but you can just straight up farm and character anytime so the gacha aspect is whatever (I love gambling tho)And Blue Archive gives a lot of currency to pull that I almost have everything in the game and anyways it doesn't matter much as well, as I am there for the story mostly anyways (I still love gambling tho)
notice that nothing was said of the gameplay itself.
what i hate about gacha is when you have to roll for stats in your equipment, like artifacts in genshinI hate that kind of system
>>736098892it is to give purpose in logging in every day, if you perfected everything without effort then your just logging in for the commissions which are a bit lame.genshin artifact rng is pretty painful for sure but even the devs must have realized it since they added the elixers and reroll feathers but they are a bit stingy with giving them out since they still regularly roll poorly.
>>736077642I dont care about deep story i just care about bunny suits
>>736077692i echo this
>>736077642The only good gacha games are those that appeal to my specific fetish, that is to say none of them.
>bad non gacha game>....>any gacha game>THAT GAME IS SHIT, BAN GACHAFAGSWhat causes this?
Gachas are the only genre where an open world BOTW type game, a JRPG and a DMC styled action game are grouped together and share audiences because the monetization is the main appeal, not the game itself.
>>736099354One isn't always online and has an ending to it so it's instantly better than any gachashit
>>736087706>italy, spain, canada, australia, central europe are all arknights chadsholy based
>>736099139If i got good artifacts easily i would explore the game more, there is so much to doI would try to level up more characters, it gets boring playing the same few characters
>>736098818I prefer to think of them more as visual novels but I do enjoy the gameplay as well. Limbus has at times obtuse and at time fun turn based combat, though the funny "win rate" button exists and will carry you through 90% or the content with the right team building.Blue Archive has more 'tactical' live action gameplay more focused on team building, matching damage types and whatnot, which can be fun for those who enjoy it, there is quite a bit of content in Blue Archive especially compared to Limbus which is almost a gameplay dessert once you finish the main story.Overall, both games don't have too much content in the 'gameplay' department and I personally like it this way. Compared to other gachad, like Shitshin and other Hoyoshit games, which want you to be unemployed and play them like 8 hours a day to get shit, Limbus and BA feel like they respect my time with easy to do dailies and farming which you can just ignore by the most part if you are purely there for the story. TL:DR the gameplay is alright but story is the main point for these games, (though I like the gameplay too. (btw did I mention I love gambling, because that's what you kinda do in gameplay too :^)))
>>736099398Monetization isn't the appeal nor is it always uniform. The main appeal is the anime style, building up characters and it's free.
If a gacha has daily or weekly bullshit I INSTANTLY drop that shot. Fuck the faggots who invented that gay shit.
snowbreak.....
>>736099451what about a gacha that's ended its story
>>736099816how many are there?
>>736099954Dragalia lostGirls frontline in a month or 2
>>736099590over world enemies are trivial and don't need good artifacts, just leveled ones with vaguely the correct stats, even starting from nothing you can manage this within a week or two of getting a new character depending on RNG luck with artifacts, add a week if you want to do regular end game stuff.actual good artifacts are for things like Stygian Onslaught but that gets kneecapped by also wanting specific characters half the time.Imaginarium Theater can mostly be tackled with level 70 characters and saving your few good characters for the boss fights, especially if you borrow someone on your friends list whaled out character to trivialize two levels.personally i tried to hyper invest into a single character and used the cast off artifacts on every other character on my account i didn't care too much about, spent two years on Neuvillette and geared out pretty much every single 5 and 4 star character i own with the cast off pieces for the raw stats alone unless i cared, for example the nightsoul support set xilonen and the Lunar support and dps sets for those characters.
>>736099618Them being free is uniform and that's part of the monetization. Something Honkai Star Rail has a higher player overlap percentage with Fortnite and Roblox than Trails and E33 despite the latter games playing far closer to it.
>>736080927Honestly I thought the point you were trying to make is that all good gachas are basically Visual Novels.
>>736100140>neuvNigga, you gay.
>>736100464no, just lazy the power wash beam that shoots a mile out and hits enemies from behind shields is nice.
>>736096558Agree.That being said I really like Wizardry Variants Daphne. Only played 3 gachas in my life>Sword of Cornwalia because I was starved for tactics game(its meh at best and full of typical gacha crap)>Umas but that is barely a game, full of QTs and Daphne, its solid dungeon crawler, probably the best in last decade(which only say how bad genre is doing)
>>736100253That's because fortnite and roblox are immensely more popular than trails or e33 and are free live service
>>736100924I said percentage for a reason. The average Fortnite player is more likely to play HSR than the average E33 player. This isn't related to their overall popularity.
>>736098563Anon, the thread is filled with people who fully admit to playing gacha games and are still capable to acknowledging all the faults of the model, your logic does not hold up at all
>>736101079I'm not referring to everyone in the thread, surely you have seen there is a very vocal group who blindly hate this stuff?
>>736099295You gonna tell us what that fetish is?
>>736085556owned that nigga
>>736101232good gameplay
>>736101232Tall women growing taller.
>>736101180And the reasons they provide align with the reasons given by the ones who've actually played them pretty seamlessly. The issues and problems with the gacha model are inherent to the genre, and this is something that can be perceived by people without even having to engage with them
>>736077642I've tried non-gacha games that still have gacha mechanics and every one of them has also been trash. Billions of screens to collect miniscule currencies, flashy animations to distract you, boilerplate simple gameplay. Maybe at best they will have a story with potential they can never deliver on because the potential only exists in a quantum state of questions and any conclusive answer to any part of the lore collapses the waveform into mediocrity.
>>736101401once again i am not referring to everyone in this thread.
I think a lot of people need to come to terms with the fact that gacha games are not traditional video games and never will be. If developers truly cared about making a good game first, they would have not made a gacha.
>>736099354>What causes this?A cancerous monetization model that shouldn't be encouraged? Retard.
>>736077642Wizardry Daphne is an actual good ass game with gacha monetization slapped on top of it that you can practically ignore and play perfectly normally (but i wouldn't recommend that since it's a fun team building aspect)
>>736099398i've never seen a JRPG or DMC fan give two shits about HSR and ZZZ respectively and anyone who played either knows exactly why
>>736101727It's not though? The west barely makes any, it's almost specifically Japan(which also makes the most innovative games), china and korea.
>>736101689Gacha games deserve their own genre and should only compete with each other. The Game Awards including Gacha games at all is retarded.
>>736077891he's just like me
Destiny Rising
all of themgacha is a monetization model and it's just funny how pirate-friendly ones are considered "good"
>>736082765>subjecting yourself to bad gameplay because "hot girls"What causes this mental retardation? Go to a fucking booru
>>736102137that's already the case for anyone not stuck exclusively in the gacha vortex
Once you realize that gacha haters are just retarded dudebro normalfags things become much clearer.
>>736082229>>736087035is this you?https://arch.b4k.dev/vm/thread/2248871/#2254775
>>736102504i go to youtube and twitch for every non-gacha game thoughbeit
>>736077642When will they make a furry gacha
>>736102819Ok so you're retarded, happy to know it
>>736102962uma musume is right there?
concordhighguarde33marathonass creed shadowsall played them from twitchtv. Glad i stuck to gacha monetization games. Crim desert was worth the buy though
>>736103114I said furry not faggot retard catgirl shitI want PAWS and SNOUTS
>>736101803Zenless not having jumping is still the most hilarious shit, and that's just layer 1.
>>736103175sounds like ugly western yiff type shit. Go beg your jewdevs to make it
Crazy take but I play gacha games and non gacha games. Purely gacha games on phone because that's what it's intended purpose was.
>>736103285Do not sully the word furry with your poor taste again filthy commoner
*INHALE*UMA MUSUME PRETTY DERBY
>>736103498yiff in hell, furfag. Even /d/ treats you like lepers lmao
>>736103620>even [anime porn board]don't care about /d/ and /aco/ has /xeno/ which is furry in all but nameyou probably aren't even aware of /trash/
>>736102962we have gay furry gacha
>>736103885trash has more /b/ like threads than furry
>>736102678You Paranoid Schizo
>>736104153I don't know, maybe you have track record of this? with a very transparent mask?oh and don't get me started on the tv head thread you terrorized.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/tnum/734744127/deleted/deleted/
>>736103513awww yeah love me sume furry pig girls
>>736104204Go back to your Shitty thread in >>>/vm/ trooner.
>>736100907Yeah it's actually a pretty fun game.That did not stop me from filling my team with catgirls though.
>>736104204This is why everyone hates your community, anon.
>>736104502>everyonemaam, you need to get a site/word filter, and maybe even get some IRL friends.i did research, you are completely rent free to this community.
>>736104502you literally play dandy's world
>>736082229We all know that, but these bastards from /vm/ are on the verge of becoming the new bronies of 4chan; literally the slightest mention of their game attracts them like flies.
>>736104502isn't this your avatar?
>>736104765
>736104776nice self reply, also self report since you do the same thing whenever there is a DW image.(>>736104204's archive)
>>736094474>3 years later and there's not even a hint of any other game being worked on.The DD VN is back in the works bro
>>736077642No. Take away the gacha from literally any gacha game and all you're left with is either a low budget anime autobattler with no redeeming qualities other than anime girls, or chink RPGs.
>>736105312whoa, you take away the gacha and it's still a good game? amazing
>>736105312and if you want your brain to get dopamine hijacked by dailies you'd be better served just playing an mmo
>>736077642ITT Nintenpedos seething.
>>736082229You've made this bit your entire personality.
>>736103513>american>fat
>>736102678>>736104204>>736104930>Proving again their haters point
>>736099472spain is yellow, are you colorblind?
>>736105718Seems like you're the only hater here, Bub.Look around the thread before you were Discovered, You were the only one that Talked about it.Yet as soon as they discovered you posted here, and provided proof, You Sperged out and Started to Reply to yourself.It's not Rocketscience, Mobilefag.
The only gacha with good gameplay are regular games with gacha tied to some kind of cosmetic. Mahjong Soul falls under this category because its literally just mahjong with gacha skins. Any time the gacha makes contact with a game's gameplay it ruins the entire thing.
>>736104776Why do I see this being a possibility. There is no way this random popular Roblox game for little kids gets this much attention in an instant. Especially on 4 Chan. People are trying to ruin /v/ on purpose with whatever this game is?
>>736078589Oh Sebastian, the giant mutated eel...
Super Snail
>>736105903Wow, just like the bronies they think is just one person hating them.
Every single gacha game would become 10 times better if you removed the gacha elements and allowed for a way to unlock all that shit through gameplay. There are no exceptions to this
Sorry to butt in to your sperg out; But, what the hell does Dandy's World have to do with Gacha?when >>736078589 said "roblox", they likely were referring to the super popular stuff, SaB, GaG, Pet Sim. etc...Dandy's World from looking at gameplay, doesn't have any gacha in it.
>>736105912Sadly, is the Mascot Horror effect at its peak.Once they see this Character design, they went toxic bananas.
>>736106198I think they mean Gacha of all the characters you can choose to play?
For me, it's XXL Woofia
>>736106291Character design and shows the most shitty beanmouth design I have ever seen. 4 Chan used to be about anime and it got turned into to this.
>>736106015Most gacha games honestly aren't worth playing even without the gacha elements.
>>736106684Oh yeah, the end result would still be a 5 or 6 out of 10 at best, but that's still better than their current state as 2s or 3s
>>736106362That doesn't seem like Gacha one bit.When it comes to Gacha in my eyes, it's just Modern Day Lootboxes, but with the EA "putting Darth Vader in the loot pool so you have to spend money to get it" shtick.Only having the word "Gacha" applied to it because the Japanese did it, and it having a "pity" system.From the gameplay I saw, you buy toons directly with in game currency, and have to unlock them via finding their evil versions.Hell, I'd say Pressure has a Gacha now considering their new update and the Charms.
>>736106015True. Strategy rpg games are awesome. That's why so many autists love the disgaea games. You can unlock crazy shit very, very fast if you know the right exploits and learn how to break the game.
>>736106650This is how it all begins... it all started with the ponies, then Sonic, then Steven Universe, then FNAF and Undertale, then Gravity Falls, then Bendy, then The loud house, then TADC, then Poppy Playtime, and now this.
>>736106896A Roblox game is kind of the final straw for me. This needs to be dealt with or we could be dealing with garbage like this in the future.
>>736097756You can definitely gamble without receiving cash. Whether that's a legal issue is obviously different, which you are already aware of.
>>736077642No, that would be be impossible, they are mutually exclusive concepts.
>>736077642There WAS one, Tribe Nine, it was actually fun to play, the beta was even more fun with a tutorial boss that filtered normalfags, a game not afraid of making you lose, but they are fucking retarded and never managed to make it work financially
>>736105640tale as old as time
>>736107052Yeah, but /vm/ is a lawless place, they never do pest control
>>736106015every gacha would be the same game if the gacha was removed. You're not changing anyone's mind since devs already tried removing gacha from their games and you anti-gacha retards never showed up
>>736108404>every gacha would be the same game if the gacha was removedThis is simply untrue on an objective level
>>736077642There is, but I'm gatekeeping it from normalfags.
>>736108404yeah but they kept the retarded microtransactions
This one is a pretty good DRPG.
>>736108573NoFuck you
>>736108526moving the goalpost sure does wonders to your argument
>>736108471it's the truth just like how most games would be the same game if steam was removed
>>736077891Correct.Also gacha is free if you aren't an impulsive subhuman while AAA asks for 80$ + 800$ console + online pass + console accessories + dlc + preorder bonus + tip
>>736109027And AAA is free if you pirate itretard
>>736109286whaling on gacha is also free if you play on a private server.Also no need to sign your posts.
>>736109379>Also no need to sign your posts.
>>736108526Yeah like Dandy’s World.
>>736109379So it really is a non argument retard
>>736109379Oh so all of a sudden we've moved from 'dont be an impulsive subhuman' to 'play it on a private server'? Are those things connected, anon? Do you need to be playing on a private gacha server to keep yourself from whaling?
>>736087706Kurwa xD
In about 10 years when the gacha craze passes (hopefully) you'll see tons of people dumbfounded that they ever got roped into wasting so much time and money in such dogshit games and have nothing to show for it because all those servers will be long gone lmao
>>736087706The world of Limbus is literally Eastern Europe so it makes sense. t. slavoid
>>736109884Slavs in general love misery porn.
>>736109684go sign a petition lmaogachagods live in the moment and aren't miserable
starting to notice that anti-gacha posters believe that a monetization method makes stuff like the raw gameplay and story worse
>>736108404I tried Tower of Fantasy when they did Warp. Turns out the game still had a shit UI based on dark patterns, 0 fucking content, and the art design meant I didn't want any of the cosmetics anyway.And BTW still had gacha for weapon upgrades. I got 1 level 11 weapon and 2 level 10s and never got anything else because people putting money into the game could buy out upgrade mats beyond the pittance you get for free.
>>736109958
>>736109684I'm wasting my life anyway but those games don't look fun at all.I just dislike mobile garbage I guess.
>>736110057It literally does, are you that stupid? The live service model ruins it to the core
>>736110063 (me)I will correct myself, it wasn't a gacha (gambling) system that could get you more weapons materials, it was simple and direct pay to win, a legacy result of the original system based around the gacha.
>>736110057Gachas do make gameplay worse because they are designed with phones in mind and you quite literally can't make a real time game good with touch controls. And for turn based? Well here's the thing. Gachas want you to keep grind and log in every single day so the games end up being designed around worthless grind.
>>736110057Name a gacha you truly believe has good gameplay and show you how bad it is compared to console game equivalents from over 40 years of gaming.
>>736110057It does. Gameplay, writing and balance decisions are made with the gacha aspects of the game in mind first and foremost, and pushing the new banners or characters is prioritized above everything else
>>736110057>raw gameplayIt does. Having to balance around whether the player has the latest SSR maxed out or is a F2Poor leads to awful balancing choices.The story is typically made worse by the episodic aspect. An episodic game is by default worse than a well-crafted narrative from start to end. This applies to shit like The Walking Dead too.
>>736110057How stupid are you? Do you really think any game at all could be intentionally designed to house as many different characters as gacha games do? No, of course not. They just do it anyways and have 80% of them be worthless or become worthless eventually due to power creep, amongst many other things. A gacha devs' bottom line is never 'how can I make my game better', it's 'how can I squeeze more money out of players while still keeping them around'
>>736110241touch controls made nintendoDS games betterand WoW is grindier than most gachawhy is a zoomer lecturing people about gameplay when they know jackshit
>>736110483gacha didn't invent power creep. You're so stupid
>>736110489Nintendo and wow are both trash. So I stand corrected.
>>736110570Who the fuck said it did? Of course it didn't, but that doesn't mean it's not an inherent, intentional part of their design to make sure people keep rolling for new banners, which is antithetical to good balance and gameplay
>>736110610you're lonely and miserable and take it out on people that enjoy things
>>736110727And you play gacha games. Looks like I win yet again!
>>736110676gacha didn't invent appealing to consumersgacha didn't invent rejecting esports
>>736110830good on you that you're happy you're wrong I guess
>>736110841Okay? Again, who said any of that? Why are you just pulling those fake claims out of your ass instead of directly adressing what we're talking about here? All I'm seeing is deflection and whataboutism, which are the hallmark tactics of someone who's trying to defend an indefensible point
>>736087706>gacha game with male fanservice>only popular in africa and india>blue archive in peruis this a meme edit?
>>736110489DS games weren't trying to be console games and WoW wasn't trying to be a traditional singleplayer experience and it plays to their benefitszzz lacks jumping and hsr only has 3 actions per character because of those things with none of the upsides of ds and mmo game design
>>736111105>zzz lacks jumpingGod every time I am reminded of this fact I can't help but laugh. Imagine making a ''''''''''''''character action game''''''''''''''''''' and removing what is arguably one of the most important aspects of the genre
>>736110936hilarious that you make all these fake claims that gacha has all these mechanics to unwillingly squeeze players of their money and seethe when it's used against you
I really hope that you will grow out of playing gacha trash anon.
>>736111190Even musou games has a jump button+ different inputs for combos
>>736111412gacha is good and you need to grow out of hating it
>>736111190I laugh when non-gacha games have romance when the women are ugly
>>736111192So you admit you were just making shit up to evade the question? It feels to me like you're more interested on trying to muddy the issue and change the topic over directly adressing any of my claims, probably because you don't know how to do it in a way that won't make your point look worseAlso, 'unwillingly squeeze'? Anon, are you a kid or something? Because the way you worded that means you're implying that the devs are 'unwillingly squeezing' money out of their players, which is a ridiculous notion.
>>736111648>Anon, are you a kid or something?He's going all in on defending the honor of fucking gachas, of course he's a dumb zoomer or alphoomer
>>736111648You haven't made a good point yet
>>736110483League/MOBAS have large rosters of character that are just as shit and unbalanced too The big difference is that moba have a nerf and buff patch while gacha dontLeague unironically has a better f2p model than gachas lmao
>>736111646i don't think action game players care about romance
>>736077891SEAMonkey swarthoids versus TBI'd jocks
>>736112052You say that, but the Resident Evil threads we've gotten lately make me think otherwise
>>736112052don't think character progression players care about jumping
>>736110483>A gacha devs' bottom line is never 'how can I make my game better', it's 'how can I squeeze more money out of players while still keeping them around'/thread
>>736112182same, but for non-gacha games. Why doesn't forza have jumping or romance options? They need to stop focusing on their core audience and make their game better
>>736112318Forza is a racing game not an action slasher/dating game
>>736112318bro are you sure you quoted the right post there lmao
>>736112143>character progression playerswhat the fuck does this even mean?is zenless not primairly a gacha/action game??
>>736112434Okay? Again, who said any of that? Why are you just pulling those fake claims out of your ass instead of directly adressing what we're talking about here? All I'm seeing is deflection and whataboutism, which are the hallmark tactics of someone who's trying to defend an indefensible point
This is your brain on gacha
>>736077891one is free. So you can fuck off instead of being like op entering threads and spheres he knows he doesn't like
>>736112720>it's le free!sigh
>>736102354>RAPEDRAPED>RAPEDRAPED>RAPEDRAPED>RAPEDRAPED
>>736112720Both are free if you're not a retard
>>736112518obviously not since it doesn't have jumping and jumping is the only thing that matters
>>736112720have some fucking standards instead of just relying on monetization
>>736112807you can rape women for free but you don't do it, why
I just spent less than a minute going onto Pixiv to download a pair of summer SSR boobs for free without tanking my life on rigged match threes and getting Stockholmed by pity bones, thoughts? I'm White, by the way.
>>736112930Atrociously based
>>736112930>>736112993>AI sloppaSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>736112930You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.
>>736113069We are reaching levels of brown not thought possible.
>>736086248there's a train gacha? what's the gameplay here? do more powerful units just drive faster?
>>736112930That's nothing. I'm lurking two channels on twitch for drops while watching arc raiders/WoW for free while playing gacha
>>736077642No. Devs with good ideas for games don't make gachas, they make real games.
>>736113274Gacha games are more REAL games, than the AAA $70 slop, that many of you are accustomed to and conditioned to think that are legitimate products. But we're not ready to have that adult conversation, because you people are too addicted to the old game industry
>>736113395There he goes again with the AAA cope.
>>736113274devs with good ideas don't make games at all lmao
>>736113456if your game was good, you wouldn't need to hate on gacha to get people to buy it
>>736113557What game are you talking about pray tell
>>736109551>Oh so all of a sudden we've moved from 'dont be an impulsive subhuman' to 'play it on a private server'?I guess the logic changes when you(?) move from AAA vs Gacha to (Pirated game) vs Gacha.Yeah you can just play on private servers if we don't judge the games on their "intended" form.The whole topic itself is retarded in the end. OPs pic is retarded strawman and he is obsessing over genre he doesn't even like. Which looks very stupid. Nobody who respects themselves does that. Difference would be if he actually talked about it, but when you consider that he posts shitty ms paint strawman and asks stupid one sentence question without any input from himself, it just means he is obsessed and cannot actually form any other opinions than "thing bad".I don't think OP even wants to have a proper reason to dislike gacha. He doesn't want to discuss it. He just wants to be right, get affirmation from others, and whenever he sees someone disagreeing with him he can just say "that person is wrong because he disagrees with me".It honestly would be nice if people actually talked about vidya in more healthy and adult way. Like if you dislike something at least explain it properly. Preferably with your own words and if you really need to quote some e-celeb, then at least have some input and why it reflects your views.
>>736113578is the AAA cope in the room with us right now?
>>736113712
>>736113395No. Both are complete ass None of these big budget AAA can innovate becuse they know that it wont be profitable Gacha are the same shit lmao when was the last time a gacha tried something different? Genshin in 2020? That game was only unique for the mobile market
>>736077642Only bombergirl
>>736113395The only I can imagine someone truly believing this is either a) they can't afford games, not even at a discount, b) they purchased games that didn't appeal to them instead of the ones that do or c) neither gameplay or story are what matters most to them in a video game.
>>736087706>random map with no source and no methodology>people believe it
>>736114493You could post any made up twitter screencap and many would take it at face value
>>736112930Good for you, I would still not fap to those because I don't care about those characters.Somehow playing though a game, reading a manga or watchin' a chink cartoon will make reading through a douijin more "fun".I don't condone gacha btw.Fuck gacha-niggers.
>>736113395>"gacha are cashgrabs not passion projects or art">"BUT AAA"every time
>>736077642No. Gachashit is on the same level as live service, battlepass and lootbox shit, and belongs in the same place: The trash
>>736114686they're the best example. Your vidya is art/memer/friendslop/quirky retro indie games aren't immune to criticism either and depression quest isn't better than gacha
>>736114837depression quest is, in fact, better than gacha
>>736114649AI chatbots solve this issue because 80% of gacha characters are just simple tropes that are easy for the AI to play and the other 20% are the main characters that have enough relevance to have their stuff scraped anyways.
>>736114837They absolutely are and you're a slop eater with no sense for game design, you only like gachas because of hot girls, stop pretending otherwise
>>736114837Every single game, no matter how woke and shit it is, is better than every single gacha game put together just by virtue of not being a gacha game.
>>736114902good of you to think so but gacha can manage on its own without you
>>736114950>>736114982That's cool but I'm still not buying your indieslop or AAA trash. Not even worth a pirate lmao
>>736115053Don't care.
>>736077642Gacha cancer is as destructive to the industry as woke cancer and i'm tired of pretending otherwise. In fact I would say its even worse because woke devs are generally incompetent, but gacha games keep a ton of actually talented devs hostage from producing real videogames
>>736115084same, but anti-gacha
>>736099618>the main appeal is the anime styleThere are countless anime style games that aren't predatory pieces of shit that need to exploit mentally ill retards to exist>building up charactersThe average gachashit has characters that are more cookie cutter and less complex than an snes jrpg.And it's free.You pay with time wasted doing chores in a shitty nongame.
>>736114925I can't understand waifu-fags, what kind of delusion you want to entertain to fall for this?I can dip into a fantasy but it's short lived.
>>736115256Who said anything about waifu shit? You just trick the AI into generating text that appeals to your fetish using a character whose looks and behavior turn you on.
>>736115253you can watch all those on twich while you play gacha
>>736115359And while scrolling on tik tok
>>736115359>watching games on twitch while you play gachaYou need to be above 18 years old to post here, zoombaby
>>736106625>spoilerhuh
>>736115359Gachas have it even worse when it comes to playing.
>>736115347That's the thing, I don't get turned on by something if I don't believe it's real. I have to forget about the reality.That's why I can't understand the constant delusion.In some way I'm jelly.
>>736115663Is it autism?
>>736115826It always is.My autism level is simply not high enough.
>>736077642No.
>>736077642Gundam Battle Operation 2 has great gameplay, and you can get powerful mobile suits even if you don't spend a dime.>>>/m/gbo2
>>736077891Got all the gachildren seething with this lol
>>736116330so mad that they spent money on gacha instead of soulless non-gacha games
>>736116119>answering seriously in a normalfag shitpost thread
>>736077642yeah
>>736116778>Heh, I spent money on a product built SOLELY just to prey on my weak mind and extort money out of me, while you spent it on a product designed to serve you with intention and be a one time payment which you can get potentially infinite entertainment from and won't be shutdown in the near future! Yeah lil bro, you really got em with this one. Just say you have a small penis, it would make things easier.
>>736115826Usually
>>736106291Oh fuck... more Poppy Playtime shit.
FGO has a nice story and basically no powercreepBrave Exvious was good with probably, still the best gameplay up to this day but SE went full retard and killed itI dont think any modern gacha even cares about gameplay or story, I do like faservice and even then they shy on it because of NPC social media retards, so no, maybe Nikke has a good story but the gameplay is shallow
>>736107393I miss them all, and XB. I still can't believe they just smothered it like that but it must have been doing downright horrible returns.
>>736077891I dont play that game but I love doodling the cookies. They're chibi shortstack perfection.Gacha in general is like that huh?
>>736093745>how are you supposed to goon to them in the game?Anon...
>>736119623>>736107393I mean, I didn't even knew this existed until EoS announcement spam, I would've been into it
I bought a bunch of Cookie Run cards because I'm banking on the franchise growing as a result of Korean obsessionEven attended a local game shop's tournamentNot gonna play the games though. Not until they make something that isn't mobile slop or gacha
>>736082647Wth, gooning is when a female (Xx) pleases herself while full clothed by rythmicaly sitting. :( ???
>>736120039You live in Korea? Game's not out in the West yet right
>>736085352AND?God forbid you see a IRL thing you hate
>>736119894Promotion for the game was abysmal. They paid a bunch of literal who vtubers to do sponsored streams they were seemingly obligated to end right after the prologue and made stupid little tiktok ads nobody watched. The EoS shock was somehow the best advertisement it ever had.
What a horrible thread. Needs more lewd anime girls from all-age gachakino.
>>736120193No it isCookie Run Braverse, they've released 4 sets I thinkpicrel, I bought boxes of sets 1 and 3 for cheap online. not opening these packs
>>736077642No. One of the worst plagues of modern gaming, I truly cannot wait for the model to become unsustainable and all this shit to finally pass. Watching all the retarded whales have their wasted cash go up in flames alongside the servers will be an added bonus
>>736120750Oh, I collect cards of my favorite sexy characters. I want a couple cookie ones.I don't see them in TCGplayer though?
Gacha games are coolioI like it when I can play as a pretty girl and be fawned over by pretty girls and boys :3
>>736120858Just look it up on Google. They won't carry them everywhereThere's only physical store within 250 km of me that sells them
>>736120358as I said, I hate that I didn't get to try it at least because of that, looked at least different and alwsy liked DR artist
>>736106896Not to mention my hero academia.
>>736118493>heh i'm so poor that people having money and spending it offends me, just say you have a small dick brolol retard
>>736120539Based bd2 enjoyer. This triggers the normalfags
>>736087706None of these are even top 10 let alone top 1 anywhere.
>>736077642>gacha>good gameopposite terms
>>736120539>pit pussyDo gooks really?I don't mind.
>Searching for posts with the image hash ‘Uio/IUbwse0/UZfKsPQWCA==’. 5 results found.>31 Mar 2026
>>736121434There's even armpit swords. They cover many kinks
>>736121016If you want to keep tabs on it there's a guy working on offline playability, but as of now only about a third of the first chapter is in a playable state.https://24tribe.github.io/
>>736121183>I have money, therefore I must be an oinking piggy bankI accept your concession.
>>736121642They made this character too hot just to exist only for April fools.
>>736121657It's quite poetic.Avoiding censorship is an art.>pussy>sheath>swordIt all comes together.
>>736081917yes really>>736112720>entering threads and spheresgachafags BRING their bullshit to /v/, infesting /v/ with these stealth gacha generals instead of staying in their containment threads on /vg/>b-buh the people in the /vg/ are weeeeird and they suuuuckokay? take it to /vmg/ or somewhere else, not on /v/
>>736121727How does she do it?
>>736121804There's even butthole wrinkles in the game
>>736121903And they added aerola peaks too. Hoping for a official nude version at some point.
>>736122017They are making their own pc launcher, as long as it has no issues with soft modding and works on Linux you might get that in some way, but no official, remember Korea is the one pushing lewd, yet its the one country with porn banned due to feminism
>>736121825rookie > champion > ultimate > mega
>>736121956
>>736121669I didn't knew about that, thanks man, still a shame that we will never see all of the new characters, a lot of them looked really cool.
>>736077642If you consider it a gacha. Warframe.
>>736122197Hentai isn't banned in Korea, just 3dpd porn.
>>736122573oh, I actually didnt knew that, that explains all the korean manwha smut
>>736090074>>736093709>>736103513Umafags are the most pathetic and subhuman of all gachafags
>>736077642Destiny rising is pretty good, plays like the real game.
>>736077642> a good gacha for me it was snowbreak and arknights those 2 are the most f2p games with accessible content as well. Arknights may as well be 4 games in one with the already tower defense. Snowbreak is infamously lewd and ecchi. But recently the gunplay before it was put into maintenance was improving very much
>>736077692fippy bippy
>>736123606>those 2 are the most f2p gamesLol no.
>>736077642Does Mario Kart Tour count as gacha?
>>736111105Monster Hunter lacks jumpingPSO lacks jumping and has limited actions
>>736077642Wizardry Variant Daphne
>>736121813>games being talked about on game board>nooo they aren't games cause i said so!!! mods!!!
>>736123825>for $25 girls frontline would never
>>736124114ZZZ doesn't play anything like Monster Hunter beyond just being an action game. The game's closest comparisons all had jumping and air moves as core parts of their combat loop.PSO is an MMO, ZZZ has no multiplayer at all.
>>736124287Bd2 has better lewd and it's free.
>>736124483>ZZZ doesn't play anything like Monster Hunter beyond just being an action game. The game's closest comparisons all had jumping and air moves as core parts of their combat loop.I wouldn't compare it to games like dmc or ng, it's more parry based than them>PSO is an MMO, ZZZ has no multiplayer at all.PSO isn't an MMO, it's an online multiplayer capable game. It doesn't had a persistent world where you interact with lots of players at once. It does have a hub area but that itself does not make it an MMOZZZ will have multiplayer added in the upcoming year
>>736124835>doesn't have*
420 replies and nobody has posted a single instance of good gameplay yethttps://files.catbox.moe/728dcy.webm
>>736125497Was that supposed to impress anyone?Bitch please.
>>736077642>picsubhuman delusions, kill yourself
>>736126185post better gameplay
>>736125497>having POV for everything except the part where you actually fuck herare japs just cucks?
>>736126271I don't play gacha.Really I don't.
>>736116330>>736118493>>736077891>nooo, AAA is le good, brokys
>>736126492It's him, captain Whataboutism himself!
>>736126492>AHHHHH ALL TRIPLE A'S HAVE UGLY BLACK WOMEN! Unlike your false narrative, all gachas are factually wastes of time and will be shutdown one day. Meanwhile I can play Chrono Trigger whenever I want.
>>736126606>>736126738defeated
>>736126738i too can refuse to play chronotrigger after I played it a long time ago and play gacha instead. Gacha is the best thing to ever to happen to gaming and really exposes who really pays for games these days
>>736119780oh yeah... cookies.they are also quite toxic.
>>736126941aight youre trying too hard now
>>736104479Fellow appreciator of beastfolk.
>>736110057yeah it does, like I am playing one gacha right now, it is SP and with no stamina system and it still make it worse
>>736077692fpbp
My problem with gachas isn’t even about gooner designs, but is about how much of an affront to sensible game design the gacha system is. No matter what you twist it, a gacha system is always a straight deficit to the game as a whole, and the moment you put a gacha system in your game is the moment you turn it into a soulless irredeemable cashgrab
>>736121825>shibari ShiftyWhat were they thinking ???
>>736077642Sorta, the few gacha games that I consider good are those in which someone made a system that bypasses the gacha grind for units.Only one I know is Battle Cats cause it has a save editor and PONOS doesn't give a fuck as long as you aren't blatant with it and keep a spare file
>>736087706>mexico>nikkeNo fucking shit, every anime con is filled with cosplays of nikke and yet barely anyone talks about the game or the cosplays.
>>736117910eh, I tried it but it was ass
