Were older Pokemon games really harder than the newer entries?
No
WOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT I WOULD LOSE WHEN MY HP DROPPED TO 0
>>736083107yes
>>736083107Oh boy another thread where people refuse to admit that giving misty's starmie water pulse is a mistake.
B- but, I thought Grass beat Water?
Yes, but not by an extreme amount or anything. The older games had a normal level of difficulty that would only slightly challenge you at best, the newer games are complete baby games however so that's why you hear this a lot
post animegirl versions of pokémons
>>736083243Yes but psychic beats poisonretard
>>736083107>>736083290Don't they just backload the challenge now on the elite four or on the rematches? I head that Sun and Moon Elite four challengers were pretty tough.
>>736083107no. they're all easy mash A games with occasional difficulty spikes
>>736083378How was he supposed to know that tho. The game doesn't even have a tutorial you just die and have to remember 12 different type match ups
>>736083107I feel like Gen 1 had a good bit of difficulty at certain points depending on the starter you chose.>Be me, 6 years old>Chose Charmander because he looked the coolest>Get raped by Brock>Encounter Nidoran>Think "This will do it">catch it>Spend hours getting it up to level 15>Get one shot by Brock because I didn't realize Poison was weak to Ground>Fuck>Try it again with Pidgey>Get one shot because I didn't realize Flying was weak to Rock>Try it again with Rattata>Get one shot because I was getting really impatient and didn't feel like getting Rattata to level 15
>>736083239get a job DSP
>>736083394I dunno I couldn't stand playing the new games for that long
>>736083378Right, I forgot Oddish was also Poison type. Just like your mother, gotem!
>>736083505Brock's pokemon don't have any rock or ground moves in gen 1
>>736083239NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU JUST CANT TELL US HOW BUSTED THE GAME IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!I BEAT STARMIE WITH MY IVYSAUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ITS AN EASY BABY GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>736083505>pick charmander>destroy brock since his pokemon have bad special and no super effective movesFixed that for you lil zoom zoom
>>736083505>Brock>rock or ground movesAnon what
>>736083107they're all baby easy
>>736083107Only because there's no shared exp by default. If your one overleveled pokemon faints because you're retarded, you still have other overleveled pokemons with zero effort. In older games, when that one pokemon faints, retards usually have no idea what else to do but watch the team wipe.
>>736083107Most certainly, modern battle experience distribution is more generous, you almost never will be underleveled.
>>736083107Yes, but the difference is between very easy and extremely easy
>>736083606>>736083607Alright. I lied.
>>736083606zoomers are nearing 30 retard, alphies are the new kids on the block
the fact that when his Oddish was at 6HP and his Jigglypuff at one point was at 1HP (and they are obviously both slower than Starmie) and instead of just sacrificing them he switches them out so Starmie can get more hits in for free is what was most astounding to me.I am simply in awe at his ability to keep surprising me with how retarded he is.
Colosseum games were pretty rough
>>736083660>alphies are the new kids on the blockNot fair. Millennials had 20 whole years to germinate their culture.
>>736083107Besides Ivysaur, Beedrill is another OK option for that fight, it has deceptively good Special Defense and could get Twinneedle by that point
>>736083107more time consuming yes
>>736083680i genuinely think that anyone who regularly switches pokemon at a bad time to give away free hits is actually functionally retarded and can't think ahead whatsoever.
>>736083469It has a full tutorial and type matchup chart you can access at literally any time you retard.
>>736083962Pretty sure there's a school in the first or second town as well
>>736083751Because millenials still tried to produce something, even if it was usually trash. Gen Z has created nothing of value
>>736083107They were definitely more soulfull
>>736083239why didn't you just stun spore it
>>736083628The easiest way to beat pokemon is to funnel everything into one or two super juggernauts that blow everything up with raw level advantage. Trying to raise a balanced team of 6 unironically makes the game harder.
>>736084425extremely efficient teams of 3 are the way to go, you also get the bonus of using post game battle facilities right away after beating the e4 as they usually require teams of 3 lv50's
>>736084249What did Millennials produce in the early 2000s?
>>736084557Early internet culture, the very website you're on right fucking now
HIS ODDISH IS FAINTEDHE'S BADGELESSHE CAN'T EVEN BEAT MISTY
>>736083347If I start looking up Pokémon and gyaru, how many lewds would I find?
>>736085112lots I hope, share them with me
>>736084817I hope he named his rival PPP.
>>736083107Misty's starmie is bullshit so there's no shame in getting filtered here if he did so with dignity but god damn does this guy seethe and cope like no one else alive
>>736083751And it was pure AIDS.t. Millennial
>>736084425That's what I said. Not because it's "muh best method" but because toddlers who don't even understand the menu just plays that way.A single overleveled pokemon in old games vs team shared exp with a whole team of overleveled pokemons.
>>736083239It had bubblebeam in the original, if the marginal confuse chance is your deal breaker then reset your game and cry about it
>>736083107kek this fat gay ozempic taking nigga really getting bodied by misty
>>736083107>actually cried out "shes cheating!" when misty used a super potion What a caracture of a human being holy shit
>>736085524It's an act, retardbro. People have been throwing him money to chimp out on camera for a decade now,
How the fuck are modern soi adults struggling with games I beat when I was 8?
>>736086469Because they didn't grind for 15 hours like you did, retard
>>736083107>misty uses super motion>*snorts* she's cheating! cracked me up
>>736086490he boxed his starter too. probably playing set with no items as well
>>736083347the only time when squirtle is superior
>>736084817>HIS ODDISH IS FAINTED>HE'S BADGELESS>HE CAN'T EVEN BEAT MISTY
>>736086490We're talking about someone who plays video games on camera for a living, you dishonest little shit.
>>736083107> not doing a challenge run at all just a casual playthrough> getting swept by Misty twiceanybody crying about fighting game input or souls games being too hard have no excuse
>>736083347>I only think about fucking schoolgirlsWhy do weebs do this?Why is this their safe horny?
>>736086453>It's an actit isn't. he is simply is that retarded and genuinely considers it cheating if the game lands a crit on him.just because he gets money from retards as he does it doesn't mean it is all some mastermind act.
>>736083107I recently beat it with just a lv 16 pikachu by spamming double team vs staryu. Pokemon is easy if you actually use stat enhancing attacks
>>736087710>act like a retard>get money and fame for acting like a retard>continue acting like a retard for morethanks for the money dummies
>>736087710The retards are the ones who keep bitching and moaning about him instead of talking about how shit the balancing in the remake is.
>>736083107>have pikachu>have oddish>lose to mistyhow THE FUCK
>>736083107misty's starmie and lance's dragonite were the only real hard parts i can remember
>The game made and played primarily by kids under 10 when it came out is "balanced poorly"Would you say having room temprature iq effects all aspects of your life negatively?
>>736088897Pikachu has shit defenses so you'll have to use double team and hope for the best. Oddish can't outlast water pulse.
>>736089078dsp is the reason we have yellow paint on everything and why there are "caution HOT! liquid inside" on coffee cups
reminder that DSP is better man game audience
imagine being worse than clod
>>736089132DSP is legitimately retarded and deserves nothing but shame and derision but coffee being made unreasonably hot was a very real issue as they would be overheated to the point that it'd cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns requiring skin grafts.
>>736089132The chicken nuggies thing made me feel genuinely sorry for him.
>>736089245How far did clod get in Firered?
>>736083107Old games were only harder because the movesets were shit. No physical/special split and most the TMs were ass.
>>736089251>overheatedYou mean made with boiling water you fucking brainlet?
>>736089341He made it to victory road twice, but the strength puzzles were what did him in. Now hes been drafted to fight in ran we might never get a conclusion
>>736089496>FireredRetarded fucking zoomer who can't read
>>736089132The reason we have yellow paint on everything is for some reason, retarded AAA developers quadrupled down on making everything black and white brown and bloom.The reason we have "caution HOT! liquid inside" on coffee cups is to remove liability and to also make sure that people are aware that there may be hot liquid in a container that will cause injury.You should like the kind of faggot who would touch live wires just because you're angry that there's a sign that says not to touch live wires.
>>736089417You arent supposed to serve coffee at boiling temperatures.
>>736089691>You should like the kind of faggot who would touch live wires just because you're angry that there's a sign that says not to touch live wires.you're describing dsp
>>736089701Ye, just gonna blow cool air at it for 10 minutes because temeperature is a foreign concept to inbred morons.
>>736083394No, the only challenge these days is playing pvp. They don't even bother including the Battle Tower anymore.
>>736083107>losing against Misty while having the grass type solution key on your team
>OMG how could you lose with this!?retards
>>736083505Entirely imaginary scenario
As Pokemon has gone on the games have gotten longer and longer tutorials and harder and harder and game content. I didn't play past USUM but it felt like half the game was a tutorial and the other half was a bunch of shit my Pokemon were underleveled for
>>736090442>harder and harder and game contentlol
>>736090206those are fine stats for those early on, dumbass>b-but muh water pulse from starmie!as long as you're level matched you should be outhealing with absorb very easily. DSP has no excuse. for fuck's sakes a fucking Beedrill can merk it
pokemon is pure slop. I played emerald on my gameboy in 2004 and never played another pokemon game ever again because its all the same shit
>>736089701You kind of are. Not literally boiling, but most coffee experts will say the optimum serving temperature for coffee is in the range of 140F, which will cause a 3rd degree burn with 5 seconds of skin contact.
>>736083107I couldn't believe my fucking eyes, 8 year old me beat misty first fucking try and this 50 year old dude spent half an hour trying to beat her, holy fucking shit man.
>>736083107Every pokemon game is hard when you take an Oddish into a gym battle
>>736083469Even if the game doesnt have a tutorial and doesnt have a school with this info at the start of the game, you were meant to read the manual or just learn as you went anywayIt does not take a genius to see>FIRE LOSES TO WATER?! WHAAAAAA
>>736083563That doesnt sound like an insult anon the poison type pokemon tend to look sexy and evil
>>736083505Imagine writing all of this only to get called out by people who actually play the games they're talking about.
>she is cheating!I kneel...
>>736083107Even Party Babyz would be hard in the hands of that idiot
>>736084557Flash Cartoons
>>736089132>and why there are "caution HOT! liquid inside" on coffee cupsNo, the reason we have "HOT! Liquid inside" on coffee cups is because the woman was severely burned by severely hot McDonalds coffee, well above safe temperature.When attempting to seek compensation to cover the medical bills for the SKIN GRAFTS she required from the burns, McDonald's denied and she sued. In an attempt to not pay, McDonalds law team started a smear campaign against her, by reducing the event to "coffee is hot duh".Keep sucking corporate cock, you stupid bootlicking faggot
>>736086118Bubblebeam is arguably more dangerous since gen 1 Starmie has a >22% chance to crit, which is a lot worse than a chance of getting confused. But gen 3 Misty is still harder because the AI is just a little bit less dumb in its move choices.
>>736091727it was like an 80 year old woman who got third degree burns on her vag too
>>736083347Bulbasaur bieng a Gyaru made her the best gen 1 starter hands down
>>736091853Parts of bone were visible too
>>736091853I'm with the big corpo on this one. Old bitch probably gets burns from her skin rubbing too much when she walks.
>>736091727I hate capitalism as much as the next guy but if you’re served coffee that won’t give you third degree burns when you pour the entire 16oz of it all over your lap, you were served a bad cup of coffee. You wanna blame McDonalds, blame them for the shitty cup-lid combos that pop apart or something. If you have to be warned “caution, this cup of coffee is hot!” you are, in fact, a mental defective.
>GEN 1 WAS HARD DEPENDING ON THE STARTER!!!>can get Nidoran, Rattata, and Butterfree before Brock>can get Pikachu, Oddish/Bellsprout before MistyI genuinely believe most people my age when they played Gen 1, it was just starter only.
>>736092319Do we have actual fucking corpo shills on /v/ or is it boomers that saw it on Fox News years ago or what?
>>736083243>>736083378Yeah, but Oddish using Absorb hardly does any damage anyway with the move's at base 20 atk power. Doesn't even get Mega Absorb in gen 3 as it's strongest grass move is Petal Dance at 39 for it and 44 for it's evos.
>>736092742non argument. I cut myself when opening a set of knives one time and I didn't file lawsuit over it
>>736083107I just grind Pikachu until it learned thunderbot.
>has 100% consistency STOP FUCKING POISONING ME AHHHHH
>>736083378Misty's Starmie doesn't know any Psychic-type moves in FRLG
I'm not getting a lot of positive and meaningful feelings from this thread right now
>>736092924Yeah knives are meant to cut. In order to get 3rd degree burns from a liquid in a matter of seconds it has to be 140F+. No coffee doesn’t need to be that fucking hot
>>736083394the post-game elite 4 of BDSP is one of the toughest elite 4 rematches in the entire series
>>736083107no
>Side scrollers lost>Kino Casino will lose tooHe is and will forever be untouchable
>>736094154Wow I never knew it was that substantial. I always thought it was a very minor +1 or something. Kind of assumed it was easy to stomp trainers because our Pokemon are EV trained and therefore generally better.
>>736083239>he didn't just power level a Pikachu for the express purpose of shitting on Misty
>>736094308Honestly Kino Casino has become almost nigh unwatchable due to their fucking DSP content. Phil is typically boring as shit unless a once in a blue moon event happens, but they will cover this guy 3 times a week, for 3+ hours on end trying to squeeze blood out of the stone. Also it's brought out Andy's worst larping tendencies.>I'M P-P-P-P-PLAYING FINAL F-FANTASY 6 RETRO ACHIEVEMENTS, PHIL!
>>736094154yeah now we get>faggotmon toughed it out so you wouldn't feel sad!
I only play Pokemon Infinite Fusion these days. The ROMhack where you play as a Rocket grunt was cool as shit too I need to replay that bitch.
>>736094531All the "lolcow" watchers are like that. Constantly crutching on clickbait or recycling old clips because they can't make a living off of them otherwise.
>>736092742nobody hates the poors more than other poors
>>736094531Tardski has been a millstone on Paypaypay for half a decade now. His streams with Surfer were pure kino.
>>736083107They were, yeah. Not enough to actually call them "hard" though. You could still unga bunga with an overleveled starter, but you were more limited when it came to moves, and leveling more mons took more effort. Like evolving your Magikarp actually was a challenge in old gens because you didn't have baby mode exp share, and had to switch train it and let it leech exp that a different mon could have used. Now you just catch it, evolve it instantly and then Gyarados gets fucking Waterfall at lvl 21.
>>736083505>Be meWho the fuck else would you be?
>>736083107I wouldn't necessarily call them harder, we all beat them as kids after all. But I would say they were less handholdy and the problem with modern gamers is that they are so used to games holding their hands at every turn and not letting them run into even one moment of strife. So they perceive any moments like this as either hard or outdated bad game design.
>>736083875well that would be very typical of phil "[i made a series of mistakes and got myself into a bad situation so then there was] nothing i could do" burnell
>>736083469Nigga, 8yo me had the entire table memorized just reading the manual over and over on the way back home from the store.Stop being stupid.
>>736083107its all the same since red blue next thread
>>736083107>Were older Pokemon games really harder than the newer entries?On the same scale than some brands of flour can be spicier than other, yes.
>>736094551>optional except in bdsp
>>736094428If you missed Pikachu by the time you get to Misty(it was only a 5% encounter in Viridian Forest), you couldn't go back and get one for quite a while because the Cerulean side of Mt. Moon had a one-way ledge. There wasn't any backtracking until you got Cut.
>>736083107They were just more time consuming, since experience gains were not shared across your team unless you got items later into the game.There was a greater emphasis on spending time grinding out experience gains against wild Pokémon, and spending time in what were effectively dungeons.The experience curve varies by game, late game Johto in both the GBC original and DS remakes are notorious for low experience yields against the trainers and leaders you face later on.Generation 5 changed how experience yields worked based on your Pokémon's level versus the defeated opponent, in an effort to control player progression throughout the story.In the later generations, (where 5th gen is the current series midpoint), they would start doing more with setting up challenging battles.The totem Pokémon, which serve as boss fights in Sun and Moon, happen to have competitive builds with perfect IV spreads and suitable natures, and had boss-exclusive buffs like starting with a stat increase, and use trainer AI rather than wild Pokémon AI.
>>736095273Oh and I should explain pic related.It's a 3DS overlay on homebrew 3DS that shows you the IVs and nature of an opponent Pokémon.It's intended for helping catch Pokémon ideal for breeding or competitive play, but it also exposes hidden information about in-game or online opponents.
>>736094308He already killed tranny troonsino, they fell into his trap like the pathetic low iq retards they truly are
>>736095348does this overlay have a name? been replaying the games on my 3DS
>>736083107They were harder, but not by much. They were still easy, but not "your rival picks the mon that's weak to you" easy
>>736095430Don't remember unfortunately it's an ancient screenshot.I think it's a Luma 3DS CFW thing, if that helps you find it.
>>736091089fuck you dalawn spirow
>>736095273When I was a kid, I thought battles slowed the game down too much and skipped as many as possible. I was never hurting for experience or felt the need to grind in those games.
>>736083243its not rock paper scissors when starmie is a fully evolved S-tier pokemon with a pretty decent moveset for that point in the story.starmie is a genuine threat at that point unlike onyx.actually starmie might be the hardest encounter in the whole game because after that powercreeping is easy.
>>736095591This. They used to be easy, now they're trivial. Makes sense, they know that the only people still buying the games other than literal toddlers are just drones who want to see the new mons.
>>736083505there are only a few fights that could be hard if you are going in blind>gen 3>steven>3rd rival battle in emerald>winona>tate and liza>gen 4>cynthia>red in hg/ss>witneys miltank>gen 5>the final ghestis fight>gen 7>ultra necrozma in ultra sun / moon
>>736095769>actually starmie might be the hardest encounter in the whole gamelv29 dugtrio
>>736095591>but not "your rival picks the mon that's weak to you" easyNot an argument since the games that have this have multiple rivals.
>he keeps posting DSP>DSP looks like he has aids nowIt's going to be over soon I suppose
>>736083107gary double crit scratch on me first fight
>>736096042Not Sun & Moon.
>>736091727>by reducing the event to "coffee is hot duh"Deserved
>>736096198?
>>736095981can it have arena trap in FR/LG?
>>736094531>it's a idubbbz (not Anisa) and DSP centric episode
>>736096531>only gets type advantage at the very end of the game when you probably already have something to cover that weakness
>>736095273That Lurantis was the last legitimate challenge I ever experienced in a Pokemon game
>>736096531Silvally is such a cool mon.
>>736096397>dude I love $100 games and battle passes and the price increases DO make sense. If you think about it, steam should shut your account down when you die since you dont own the games actually You're a faggot
>>736083107Nah not really, but kindaLike all party exp-share is retardedYou could get wiped in a gym if you were barely the same level in older gamesIn newer ones its basically impossible to be at a point where you are ever underlevelled unless you are swapping your team out every gym for weak shit on purpose
>>736095273I cheesed every encounter in sun and moon with leech seed and that donkey horse thing that increases defense every turn
>>736096927Good? Having to go out of your way to grind if you want to use anything other than an overleveled starter is retarded.>but then it's too easy if you grind with exp share!Like every single jrpg in existence.
>>736097015If you're going out of your way to grind in Pokemon just to get by then you're retarded. That's something you do for fun in order to build a broken mon and break the game.
>>736091787The crit chance is definitely more likely to make your early Normal types and whatnot die without doing anything, but I'd argue that the confusion chance on Water Pulse is more likely to screw you over when you've done the right thing by getting a Grass type and training it to a reasonable level.
>>736097015I can still just use my overleveled starter in exp share games.
>>736083107only because team wide exp share wasn't the default
>>736097174But you don't have to spend hours grinding if you don't want to do that.
>>736097118>t. Guy who has a level 52 Charizard fighting the third gym and can't fathom why anyone would ever catch a pokemon and need to bring it up to their team's levels
>>736083107Kinda. In gen 1 Brock was annoying if you picked Charmander or had Yellow version. Gen 2 tricked a lot of kids by being extremely easy (even by pokemon standards) for the first two gyms and then hitting them with Whitney's Miltank.
>>736097015you are retarded and the target audience of these dumbed down games.when your starter is getting overleveled and it starts leveling up slower its the game directly telling you to swap someone else to the front to keep your team equal.all exp share does is take out any form of management and planning out of the game and your whole team gets leveled even though you didnt even use it.100% soulless.
>>736097118No, you have to grind if you want a balanced team instead of one, 2 tops, overlevelled mons to steamroll the game with.
>>736097193damn turns out multiplying the exp by six and raping the progression has an impact on difficulty.
>>736097225I level them up evenly, it's easy when the game has so many trainers and infinite random encounters.>>736097284I don't consider fighting every trainer or every random battle that happens to get in your way grinding, that's called playing the game.
>>736095978I did another playthrough of Black a couple of years ago and Clay's Excadrill tore my shitty team a new asshole about half a dozen times over. Mind you I do play pretty underlevelled, but I didn't really struggle with anything else in the game up to that point.
>>736097259>terrible opinion >jakposting It always checks out. Always.
>>736097345no argument whine post
>>736096683He gets a legendary since the first match, that balances it out.
>>736097259Except the literal first trainer in whatever route you're in will assrape your useless underleveled mon unless you sit down and grind wild pokemon until it's in a usable state.And even then, you can juggle a max of 2 sorta balanced mons before there's simply not enough exp to go around 6 fucking pokemon.
>>736097410>Except the literal first trainer in whatever route you're in will assrape your useless underleveled monnonsense. same with the not enough exp thing. do you tards avoid trainers and random encounters? do you run from random battles?
>>736097223You never had to.
>>736097473>>736097484There's simply no arguing with people who straight up lie and most likely haven't played any of these games in 15 years.
>>736097473You're making shit up if you disagree with that
>>736097391The shittiest "legendary" ever.
>"nah bro you didnt have to grind in pokemon ever! Just catch the pokemon and swap it in bro, works for me!">you catch a level 8 zubat and try to switch it into a trainer's level 12 spearow and it gets eaten alive Idk. It's like you guys don't play these games.
>>736097410Only if you're playing difficulty romhacks lmao.
>>736083607He never said moves
Kojo is doing it again.
>>736097632Irony much? You have the one you're trying to level at the top of your party. You don't switch them in.
>>736097656Go play FR or LG right now. To make it even more hilarious, try a nuzlocke run. Don't do ANY grinding, just like you're saying.
>>736097632Why did you send your zubat out instead of your geodude? Why did you even catch a zubat in the first place? Zubat is fucking trash.
>>736097730You're right, the level 8 zubat getting one less turn used against it is really gonna change things for it.
>>736095269My childhood autism wouldn't let me leave the forest without one.
>>736097015Zoomers don't understand the process of actually training a Pokemon and what it does for the game. When you train a mon you're making a commitment to use that mon, to make it a stable of your team. Knowing you have to train makes you more selective about what Pokemon you catch, and using them in battles is not just training the in game monster but also training yourself, like picking up a new weapon or a new character in a fighting game, training a mon also familiarizes it to you; you get a feel for how much damage it typically does, how much damage it can take, what moves work best, and you develop a flow chart for using them, so that when you get to the actual challenges, you've developed an understanding of how to most effectively use your Pokemon, and the time spent building them up naturally develops your bond with them.Compare that to share experience where you don't have to do any of that and can just have dozens of leveled Pokemon you never have to think or care about. Just interchangable cogs that you can swap in and out with no commitment.
>>736097795Crobat is actually overpowered in almost every iteration of pokemon thoughever
>Everyone says that Emerald Nuzlockes are easy>Fucking get sweptBruh...
>>736097632lead with zubat, swap to something else. zubat still gets exp. its like YOU never played it.>>736097795golbat is decent
>>736097795Because if you lie and misrepresent a point, you win.
>>736097815Buddy, it's naptime.
>>736097869>lead with zubat, swap to something elseSo you have to grind up Zubat before it's usable. Thanks for conceding
>>736097913You do not understand what grinding is
>>736097913>fighting encounters on the path is grindingbrain fried underage.
>>736097958Zubat fought 0 encounters. You instantly swapped it out before any turn happened
>>736097869So you agree it's a useless member until it's caught up, right? Aka, you need to grind it?
>>736097994This is the gameplay of dudes who say you don't need to grind in this game
>>736097981it participated in combat.
>>736098010retarded
>>736097632Oh look it's an autist insisting everyone use a term in the retarded way that only exists inside their smashed cuckoo clock brain. Nice.
>>736098112I hate to say this, because I never do, but I accept your concession
Ive seen some of the retards who claim that you have to "grind" that they straight up run from every encounter.
>>736098140retarded
>>736092742Sometimes a lawsuit is just bullshit, anon. Honestly the reason McDonalds lost was not because they were objectively in the wrong, but because they were McDonalds, everyone loathed them and wanted to see them pay out because fuck McDonalds.It’s like if someone’s kid got shot and they sued EA over Call of Duty glorifying gun violence. That would be a bullshit lawsuit even though /v/ would be rooting against EA the entire time because fuck EA.
>>736098085Don't forget that the Zubat and its replacement got halved exp for doing that.
>the "you dont have to grind!" shitposters get blown out by some guy giving a two sentence example post >they immediately jump to insults and moving goalposts Feels good to see the good guys win
>>736097632>and try to switch it into a trainer's level 12 spearowimagine being too stupid for a childrens game.its no surprise that they made them this easy now.
>>736098209its a 50:50 split yeah.
>uses hm slave>doesn't handpick and train 5-8 specialist hm masters that can bring out the full potential of each move in the field and in battle
This thread reminds me of Dunkey's DQ11 review where he praised the game for letting you skip every encounter and then cried when the bosses were too difficult. Why do people who hate rpgs insist on playing a genre they do not enjoy?
>>736097259>when your starter is getting overleveled and it starts leveling up slower its the game directly telling you to swap someone else to the front to keep your team equal.There's literally no benefit to keeping your team equal.
>>736098263I think that's still better than pretending to play a game and straight up making shit up about it that gets easily defeated by simple hypothetical scenarios
>>736098259this baller can genuinely contribute decently with all 4 attack slots taken by HMs.
>>736083107Maybe ge1 if you started with Charmander, but otherwise they were always easy.
>>736098315imagine posting such an embarrassing image and thinking that it makes a point
>>736091727Based
>>736098259>Bringing out the full potential of Cut
>>736097632>all that gay stuffjust one-shot everything with your starter like a real 6-year-old.
>>736098217>says something really dumb>gets called dumb>declares himself the victor>samefags with tears in his eyes>>736098320Are you talking about the scenario where you were stupid enough to send your zubat out to die? Or are you referring to your (incorrect) assumption that swapping out a weak pokemon counts as grinding?
>>736089132
I thought the morons claiming coffee needs to be served cold and that you are a corporate defender if you disagree were the dumbest in the thread but then subhumans started calling trainer battles grinds
>>736098401>i-it's embarrassing because you understand the mechanics of a toddler game better than me
this "grinding is mandatory" psyop is seriously getting old. Is this just sharty spam again? They both love forcing the same shit all day and are strangely obsessed with pokemon for some reason.
I loved grinding against trainers in Heartgold (making sure all 6 mons were equal level of course)
>>736098147Like the only major RPG where I've absolutely had to stop and get a few extra levels after not running from fights is DQ4 cause there's a boss in the middle of the game that's just the first phase of the final boss completely unaltered so you need enough HP to survive two full party attacks in a row And I wouldn't even call that game grindy either Estark is just a weirdly placed difficulty spike for a game with barely any bosses that's otherwise easy as fuck
>>736098147I've seen that recently too. It feels like zoomers and gen alpha are just trying to beat the older games as fast as possible instead of actually enjoying them.
>>736090660Absorb alone isn't gonna win you the battle with its low BP. You gotta stun spore the Starmie first.
>some guy gets his "you don't need to grind!" argument destroyed >he's now half the recent posts in the thread, absolutely red in the face HahahahahAnyways, grinding is gay. Exp share helped a lot in this shit
>>736098640What do you mean? You don't have to grind. Those games are easy as fuck.
>>736083107https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQtia9ZyyQ
>>736098640Imagine being too casual for Pokemon. The sad thing is most people are these days, as evidenced by this post and many other in this thread. Modern gayming was a mistake.
>>736098640>it helped a lot that every single mon automatically became overleveled so I never need to switch since every single move oneshots all opponentsmhm
>>736098640absolute schizo
>>736098694It's bait.
>>736098640Legitimately curious, how long do you think grinding normally takes?
>>736098470Meowth was my hm god of cut. He was then surpassed by CH'DING and retired peacecully to being my casino good luck charm
>>736098640I am also pointing and laughing at you.
>>736083505you're probably misrememberingall he had was bide and tackle (and bind in yellow because fuck you pikachu) and likely your mons only knew normal attacks because lol gen 1 type spread so you were stuck chipping away with not very effective attacks while he would rape your ass with one hit of bide or keep you locked in bind in the meantimeat least that was my experience from memory
>>736089691>You should like the kind of faggotGOOD MORNING SAAAAR
I do genuinely think HMs are a dogshit mechanic. It was a kind of cute mechanic the first time I experienced it in gen 1, but it just takes your move slots awayEspecially in later gens when there's 3 fucking water type HMs
>dsp thread>derailed by a dentTruly the Kings men are everywhere.
>dude is slamming the thread samefagging because he is PISSED about people rightfully telling him he can't bring his level 38 machop he caught in victory road to the elite four and expect it to do anything without grinding it up first Give me 10 more replies bro, that will prove to me you aren't mad
>>736098774I take no more than 5-10 minutes. If I can't find an accessible means to do so, then I conclude the game doesn't intend for it and move on as is.
>>736098568DQ only punishes you by losing money that you can bank the intent always seemed to me that you are just meant to run up until a dungeoons boss and die trying and then try again because next time you will have a higher level from the enemies on the way.
>>736098898You could body the elite 4 w/ lvl 38 Machamp esp if he has bulk up use a better example
>>736099041>Machamp
>>736099004Yeah basicallyBut the games are mostly tightly balanced enough that you can just walk through the game and get through it with buffs and shit, worst case maybe a little foreknowledge of item crafting in the later games to tank through shit that otherwise would've killed you.The only real level based hurdles are usually bosses that are raw AOE shitting Multiheal checks but there's ways around that too sometimes
All Pokemon games are piss easy. The only time I ever felt challenged was Cynthia in BDSP. Needed a couple tries to beat. The only good thing about that piss poor games.
>>736099102yeah man everybody keeps their machop at level 38 for no reason.actually letting it evolve would be grinding.
>>736099041Made up scenario
>>736099148>instantly admits he will grind it up so it evolves
This conversation is retarded and I'm pretty sure either people are just trolling or it's mouthbreathers that think they know how to play pokemon. He's bitching because his only counter to Starmie got crit on multiple attempts. He's well aware the rest of his team will be one shot by her. There is no magic increased crit chance. There is no "hehe he didn't know ground was weak to water!". He's being a stubborn cunt trying to use Oddish vs Starmie and losing to luck. All of that could be avoided if he wasn't lazy and got Oddish to 21 to evolve.
>>736099194>not grinding for hours is "lazy"
>>736083469Game has THREE FUCKING TUTORIALS. L/R tutorials: Teachy TV and School on the first city.
I like the idea of universal exp share but it's ruined by how baby easy the new Pokemon games are. You don't feel like you're overcoming any challenge so you have zero investment with your team who mostly evolved while sitting on the bench the entire playthrough. It's the complete opposite problem of the early games where leveling Pokemon is such a investment of time (and boredom) that 99% of kids just stuck with their starters the entire game. All Gamefreak needs to do is add a challenge difficulty (AVAILABLE FROM A FRESH SAVE) and it would be great. But as is, the games play themselves with how much they coddle you and throw unevolved barely leveled shitmons at you the entire game.
>>736099135Just remembered that I had some problems beating that artsy girl in Ultra Moon too and the Ultra Necrozma needed two tries. So that makes it two somewhat harder than usual Pokemon games.
>>736089691Where's that one game dev presentation that showed DPS playing God of War as an example of games being difficult for players to figure out
>>736099334They did that with SV DLC
>>736099135This, who ever even grinds? If you>catch each unique new mon you find>fight each trainer>never box your starterYou’ll be grossly overleveled and so flush with cash you’re drowning in healing items. The game is designed to be impossible to lose. When did you EVER grind, outside of a specific desire to evolve a mon or learn a move because it was cooler, not because you needed the power?
>>736099334The challenge difficulty in BW2 just makes it so you get more XP lel
>>736099185the absolute state
>>736099404Didnt play any of the old games award
>>736099334You can level like 4 pokemon and still be way ahead of the level curve without stoppingAnd most people would've leveled up while running around catching shit
>>736099249Yes
>>736083239Why not just get good? It's a kids game for fucks sake
>>736083107It comes in denim.
>>736099454>And most people would've leveled up while running around catching shitThis is bullshit. Wild mons give such a negligible amount of XP, they barely matter
>>736083469the manual that you didnt get because you pirated it, jose.
>>736099167By that time you have access to earthquake, bulk up, brick break and rock tomb. With easily 100+ attack at lvl 38 he could easily wreck most of the elite 4.
>>736099452I played RB and then skipped until HGSS, so maybe shit was different in gens 2-4
>>736083107A little bit
>>736099528Its plenty to get into the range where things can fight a trainer's teamSince trainers teams are 99% complete jokes too
>>736097543Still as strong as a fully evolved starter.
Dragon Quest Monsters would mindbreak anons that think Pokemon is grindy
>>736099528I at least fight them for a small ev boost here and there to avoid spending on expensive vitamins early/mid game
>>736099528they only barely matter to your overleveled starter.
>>736097861Ok, too bad the first gen had an EXP.All item as well so your argument has no point.
>>736099530Unless you EV trained a jolly Machamp you're not sweeping anything, let alone getting past Lorelei. Sounds like you're some homo that used a Dynamic Punch/No Guard Machamp you got from someone else or hacked.
>>736083107They were yes.>Pokemon have less moves>You just generally gain less xp (no xp share, no xp for catching pokemon, no xp candies)>There's not many free healing spots in routes/dungeons>Dungeons themselves exist (they removed them in gen 7)>Items largely must be bought and are not simply littering the ground en masse or handed to you regularly>No battle gimmick of the gen to give you a leg up over the NPC trainers who won't use the battle gimmick anyway>Less powerful handouts (e.g. free mega lucario, free lati@s)Various factors
>>736099735Except he claimed that the average person running around to catch pokemon will get as much XP from that as you get in exp-share gens from trainer fights, which is a blatant lie
>>736099530>the level 38 Machop i caught has earthquake and bulk upHahahaha what the fuck is this imaginary scenario youre using to try to make a dumbass failed argument man
>>736099790Dude you added like twice as much text to my post as what I actually said
>>736098582yeah they also have zero interest in actually checking out places properly so thats fewer battles too.
>>736083107Is he the guy that jerked off live?
>>736099790meds
>>736083628And the first time that happens as a kid in Viridian Forest you realize you need to raise a balanced party, just like the NPCs say in the first city. Only illiterate kids dumped all their exp into their starters.
>>736099249>for hoursRETARD ALERTRETARD ALERT
>>736099334Game Freak already had the winning formula in the gen 5 games and their scaling experience point gains. Kids and lazy people who only liked their starter/some other single mon could still comfortably coast through despite diminishing gains, and those who were raising a full party or more would see tons more exp and levels since lower level mons gained more from fighting. Then the system was changed again in gen 6 and beyond (on top of introducing the revised Exp Share, which worked in tandem with the new exp gain mechanics) and now we're here.
>>736099763
>>736099763Anon you post like elite 4 has some kind of super chess AI brain and is not stupid af. Every E4 had at least 1-2 derpmons you can easily set up a sweep w/. A lvl 38 team is more than enough
>>736099845retard who doesnt understand what grinding is doesnt know what TMs are either apparently.
>>736099845Ok so you're just a dumbass lol sorry
>>736092319Anon, if the coffee is still 90*C when its pouring on your lap back in your car it came out at like 100*C hot from the machine. This is too hot and a) ruins the already shitty-tasting cheap McD coffee taste further, b) is much hotter than any competitor serves for no real reason and c) was already causing hundreds of burn accidents each year.There simply was no reason to heat it that hot, and they continued simply due to not caring despite hundreds of people getting hurt each year. That one was purely on them and the fact it took a LAWSUIT (which they tried to get dismissed through smear campaign) is just ridiculous.
>>736098470Yes.
>>736099906Every single Romhack of the last like, 10 years has had>level cap at/around the next gym until you get the badgeAnd it’s the simplest fucking balance decision imaginable but Gamefreak simply won’t use it for some reason.
>>736099742You didn't play gen 1
>>736100027You get one of each of those TM's and you want to drop them all on a 38 machop who is going to get put to sleep and killed by Lorelais first gengar turn 1.You are making shit up and it is hilarious
>>736098470hey technician cut is almost as good as uh.. slash?
>>736100019Oh now it's a TEAM. Machamp is slow and frail. 3/4 of the Elite 4 are special attackers. You'd be eaten alive attempting to set up.
>>736100185You're making it way too obvious man. First time trolling?
>>736099530>you bulk up your level 38 that you blew a bunch of important tm's on >unfortunately bulk up does not increase special defense or speed >he gets turn 1 psychic'd by allakazam and dies instantly Oops! You're retarded and made a disingenuous post! You did a heckin baderino!
>>736100185>Lorelais first gengar turn 1.
>>736100172Level caps are gay.
>>736089520Wow rude
>>736100324What's a level caps don't exist.
>>736100301Agatha, my bad. I played a nuzlocke last week and it was a blur. What I remember most of all, though, was the need to grind or my Pokémon would die.
>>736099194The people talking about increased crit chance are talking about RBY Misty, anon
>>736100185this is frail to you?
>>736100123You have no idea what you’re talking about. Again, check with any connoisseur coffee roaster or brewer and they’ll all tell you coffee should be brewed at about 200F (just under boiling or 100C) and served at about 145F, which is hot enough to cause third degree burns in seconds. These numbers have not changed. McDonalds coffee is not served colder now than in the years leading up to the lawsuit. Neither is anyone else’s. You’re just hatebonering.And that’s fair, McDonald’s is a slop factory and worthy of hate. But be honest with yourself: if a billionaire trust fund kid had gone into Auntie Mae’s Roadside Family Diner and spilled a cup of coffee all over his crotch, then sued Auntie Mae and her family into bankruptcy because “the coffee was hot and nobody warned me!” you would NOT be on his side. But I’m telling you, Auntie Mae is serving the coffee just as hot. She’s brewing the coffee just as hot. It’s the same goddamn coffee makers in every diner and restaurant, with the same hot holding plates. Bring a thermometer with you to a 7-11 sometime and see.
>>736084425I think the devs realized that too, which is why full party EXP was eventually forced onto the player. Lets players have a full team of six without having to spend time grinding the other five stragglers up, especially useful for boosting up Pokemon who are weak prior to evolving (i.e. Magikarp) or are way too low for whatever point in the game you're at.It's a great idea with good intentions. A shame that even after four generations of it they still can't properly scale their games' difficulty.
>>736083107I would have said no, but it seems a lot of people ITT think it's hard.I was 8 when I played Red and I managed to beat it.
>>736083157FPWP, underestimates how easy new Pokémon games are.
>>736100420The game he's playing is FRLG.
>>736100451I'm talking about machop, bro. The original post is about machop. A level 38 machop caught in victory road.
>>736100494>newMainline Pokemon games were never difficult.
>>736100417Yeah, sure a Nuzlocke is fundamentally like that. Dudes die and the boxfags need to be trained. Now, if you're deliberately overleveling you may as well not bother doing Nuzlocke to begin with.
>>736100172Because it carries the risk of inexperienced players (like kids!) getting frustrated when they can't muscle through eventually by trying again and again, or grinding a bit and then trying again. Not everyone is so into video games and knowledgeable of RPG design that they'll encounter some difficulty and immediately say "well, there's bound to be some intended winning strategy available nearby if I just look for it". And that's a problem for a commercially released game expected to appeal to a large player base. I'll say again that the gen 5 system was practically the ideal for the officially released games. It elegantly allowed for multiple playstyles to have a satisfying experience with the game.
>>736099778Fewer moves
>>736100509>>736100258>Machamp is slow and frail
>>736100509You should prove everyone wrong and boot up a save of you clearing the Elite 4 with a 38 Machop. I'll wait. >HARD MODEDon't say "I don't need to do that">IMPOSSIBLE MODEDo it without using X Sp Def and full restores
>>736083574>>736083607>>736090319>>736091349>>736098827Holy shit guys, it doesn't take a genius to realize he was talking about Fire Red/Leaf Green Brock.
>>736100494It’s more like you’re retarded and underestimate how easy old Pokemon games are.
>>736099778Eevee, Hitmonlee and Lapras are pretty great free handouts
>>736100324They’re the ONLY functional balance possible in a game with a leveling system.
>>736100582>55 base spd>not slow
>>736100508I know, my point is that the anons you're addressing with that comment aren't talking about DSP
>>736100537You're right. Sitting and taking five consecutive steps are both pretty easy, but one still takes more effort than the other.
>>736100614>Do it without using X Sp Def and full restoresWho made that rule? Part of what makes Pokemon so pathetically trivial is the ability to use items in battle.
>>736100616>FRLG>6 years old
>>736100670and the frail?
>>736100417Don't want to be that guy, but the first Gengar sent out by Agatha only knows Psychic when you rematch her in FRLG
>>736100614>>736100582Okay, you guys are lost as fuck. Something went wrong here. I'm over it. Last word: you need to grind in Pokémon if you want a balanced team, or to catch different fresh caught ones up. You don't need to grind if you do the tried and true superstarter strat and just bulldoze the game with a level 75 Charizard. That's all I was trying to say.
>>736100258Never said solo run mr gaslight. And yes, that's where the team work comes in. I've beaten the e4 with far weaker mons than thar. A lvl 38 machamp might as well be a LeBron draft pick in the hands of someone with even a moderate amount of brains
>>736100772We know what you've been trying to say, you've been repeating it incessantly at every opportunity. It's still retarded and wrong and every post further proves you don't even play the games you're yapping about.
>>736083107The main difference between older and newer pokemon games is newer games shares experience to all pokemon by default and gives you a wide access of different types early on, so it's easy to build a versatile party with lots of type coverage within the first hour of being able to catch pokemon.Meanwhile in OG Pokemon Red/Blue your options were either go with easy mode Bulbasaur/Squirtle, grind Charmander to be obscenely powerful to bruteforce past early problems, or grind up normal, bird, or bug types to fight Brock's rock pokemon whose levels are in the early 10s. You don't get Exp All until much later.If somebody picked Charmander and could easily get a grass or water type pokemon on route 1/2 in the original games and it was trivial to keep them leveled up, they would be just as easy. You don't get shit in variety until you've gotten past Misty.
>>736099334Shared exp>WAHHHH ITS BABY EASY BECAUSE SHARED EXP MADE IT SO YOU CANT GRIND!!!!!!!No shared exp>WAHHH ITS BABY EASY BECAUSE YOU PAINSTAKINGLY GRINDED TO GET TO THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL FOR THE CHALLENGE!!!>ITS NOT FAIIIIIIIIIIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Daily reminder that """"""difficulty""""" fags are subhuman
>>736100771I fought her only once (no rematch) and her Gengar was constantly using hypnosis. Dont listen to whatever the wiki is telling you, play the switch version
>>736100890You don't play pokemon games. You are retarded.
>>7361007576 year olds existed in 2004, yes. if it makes you feel any older they're currently 28 years old
>>736099742The exp all and new gen exp share function differently.The exp all takes the 200 exp you get from defeating a pokemon and breaks it down to distribute it amongst your team.The new gen exp share gives your participating pokemon the full 200 exp while the rest of your party receives 100 each. You are obscenely multiplying your exp income.The former is probably not actually something you'll want to use in most cases. The latter makes training a pokemon an almost completely passive task.
>>736100772I have two responses to that1. You can balance your leveling by regularly switching out your lead Pokemon2. Grinding legitimately takes less than 20 minutes
>>736100293Why would you pit a machamp against an Alakazam?
>>736101018Cause it's easy
>>736100967So much for your last word, sharteen.
The oldest games were super easy because you could just tackle everything with your starterAround gen 4/5 was a slight difficulty bump where you were encouraged to pretend the games aren't trivialThen the difficulty dropped through the floor and the games got trivialized to a ridicolous degree
>>736083107Literally the dark souls of gym leaders
>>736100837I can tell you're 14 because you think me using your own claims against you is gaslighting you dumb zoomer LMAO
>>736101052Last word to who?
>>736100912>play the switch versionNo thanks I'm not a cattle who pays money for 20 year old games.
>>736100912My mistake, I mixed up your post with the guy that was complaining about getting 1-turned Psychic'd by Alakazam.
>>736100893>to bruteforce past early problemsBrock's a joke even with Charmander cause has no rock moves and Onix and Geodude have no special defense to speak of. So only Misty's a potential problem but you'll probably be overleveled if you do nugget bridge with only your starter
>>73610076990/80/85/55 is a terrible spread and the reason it was given such an OP ability.
>>736099529switch version has no manual you faggot
>>736101065When did I say solo run SIR gaslight?
>>736101173Most starters have similar bulk, even 80s across the board is well above average for old gens.
>>736101228Sweep implies solo you broccoli headed bitch
>>736100893>so it's easy to build a versatile party with lots of type coverage within the first hour of being able to catch pokemon.this ought to be a good thing. At least that’s engaging with the core gameplay mechanic of “switch to a more advantageous matchup” instead of “lel flamethrower go brrr”. The fact that giving you the tools to actually play the game correctly makes it trivial proves it was always easy shit, and the only “challenge” was tedium. A well-designed Pokemon would compel you to engage with its mechanics to succeed in the first place.
>Looks like I win.>*labored breathing*>So what should I take from you? Hm?>*more labored breathing*
>>736101262Not when you have a 20 level deficiency.
>>736101272So you assumed that's on you n'gga
>>736101293Leveling up individual mons is part of the core gameplay, or at least it was before it was made ultra baby deluxe.
Reminder that yawnfag(kojo) lives in Canada and volunteered to be neutered.
>>736101409Investing the time to level up to par sure, but not to become overleveled, which is what actually ends up happening.
>>736100642Jolteon is due to how crit worked in gen 1, but otherwise having a free mega lucario halfway through the campaign in XY is a fucking insane thing to do. That piece of shit was one of the strongest non-legendary pokemon at the time and this is after years of power creep and the bar raised by megas. Same for lati@s and their mega stone.
>>736101360Shouldn't you be in school, emulator boy?
>>736101272And for the record I have swept lorelei, Bruno, and lance with machamp at lvl 39 (lvl 43 by the time I reached champ)
>>736100616>literally said Gen 1 in his postyea okay i guess
>>736101409Grinding is a pain in the ass and always will be
Was this the hardest battle in Pokemon?t. only played Ruby and Diamond.
>>736101534Sweep implies solo, stop using words you don't know.
>>736083239I beat her with wartortle and then I beat my dick to her later.
>>736101595An RPG without grinding is like playing one of those newfangled racing games with rewind built in, made for retards who don't even like the genre.
>>736101646Discounting post-game that would be Cynthia or Volo for me. Some earlier gym leaders have handed my ass to me as well, like Bugsy with that fucking scyther or Crasher Wake oddly enough. That bitch killed my nuzlocke with his floatzel.
>>736083107It wouldn't be so bad if Misty didn't cheat all the fucking time Literally unbeatable
>>736101678No it doesn't mongoloid. A sweep with outside prep is still a sweep. Solo means solo.
>>736090660Beedril is fucking great. My first time I played Red, I basically solo’d the whole game with a beedril.
>that guy who tried to say he could sweep the elite 4 with a machop with bulk up>"uhhh actually I wouldn't use it ALONE (sweep)...uhhh I'd use other stuff too!" Pokemon has some virulent autistic faggots willing to make weird, personal arguments out of anything
Spending 10 hours grinding your team to 60 for the pokemon league is a GOOD THING!
>>736101678Yes and "set up a sweep" is also a common. How tf do you "set up" without a team wise one
>>736101646Nah, also it isn't a jump scare fight like a lot of people think it is.
>>736101894Please explain to me how you set up a sweep with a team, I'll wait.
>>736101860>10 hours
>>736101860Most of the games you don't really need to grind for the E4But in Kanto you just do a few E4 runs first to get your levels up to around 45-50 and then you can give it an honest attempt. Doesn't take much
>>736101860Fuck year. Lazy tards will never know the satisfaction of deliberately building a team and using it. It has to be instant gratification so they can get back to their busy day of scrolling through AI generated content chosen for them by an algorithm right now!!!!1!
>>736083505Nice schizoid fantasy
>>736101860I tried grinding for the pokemon league but I got bored due to it taking so long and just used perish song.SV is way better. Just grab a pokemon, use bottle caps, use mints, use vitamins, then use candies to get it up to 100, then use TMs as you wish.Instant pokemon that's ready for competitive battling
>>736099249God forbid you train your pokemon for a little bit while playing as a pokemon trainerYou could even skip Misty and go down to Vermillion for the vs seeker or leave your mon in the day care
>>736101894Hey look this retard went from instantly responding about "sweeping" before realizing that the term is only used for set up sweepers that self buff or inherit stats or from Baton Pass and you can't actually use a team to set up with! Oh nyo my knowledge gap!
>>736083239It's not just Water Pulse (which Staryu also has instead of Water Gun), it's replacing X Defend with Super Potion.>ah finally I whittled down Starmie to 30% power, it's time to end this>MISTY used SUPER POTION!>Starmie returns to full healthI remember in Yellow, me and Pikachu could wipe the floor with her first time with no issue.
>>736101937applying status, using stat debuffs, baton passing stat boosts, that's just non-damaging stuff since that's inevitably the next goalpost you want to rush to.
>>736102273>You could even skip Misty and go down to VermillionBased anon who never actually played the game
>>736102319Let's not forget the elite four and their warehouse of full restores. Shit like that is why I believe in using every trick. Available. Anon using perish song is just a higher level of thinking, full restores can't cure instant KO.
>>736101567I know its hard to not be autistic and understand that you can rule out that anon was confusing gen 1 for GBA gen 1 remake
>ITT: manic teenager's first time derailing a threadbetter than talking about fucking DSP at least
>>736102372??Nigga just go talk to Bill, you don't need to fight Misty
>>736099334>All Gamefreak needs to do is add a challenge difficulty (AVAILABLE FROM A FRESH SAVE) and it would be great.That does what, exactly?
>>736102369This was such an easy trap lmao, there are no Pokemon that pass attack with Baton Pass in gen 3. You could've easily avoided all of this by saying you used X items.
>>736102701higher levels, better teamsyou know, the thing they already did in bw2 but less retarded
>>736102701It uhhhhhhOohhhhhMakes the game difficult.... Because uh... Difficulty GOOD!No I will not battle in comp No I will not play stadium 1 and 2No I will not play colloseumNo I will not play XDNo I will not play battle revolution
>>736100178neither did you apparently.>>736100990that they function differently has no bearing on this conversation. both makes so that the benched pokemon doesn't have to fight even a single battle to level up and/or evolve.
>>736102764>higher levels, better teamsHow does that help if i'm higher leveled and oneshot everything?
>>736102687Anon, you don't get Cut until the SS Anne in Vermillion. There's only ONE way out of Cerulean until then, and it's not accessible until you beat Misty.
>>736083505It‘s always the Zardtards
>>736102876I retract my statement, until now I thought beating Misty was a requirement to fight that Rocket Grunt to get into that house.
The requirement is saving bill. Save bill, kill the grunt, and you can move on to Vermillion. You can't use cut until you beat misty but who the fuck cares. Get the exp.
>>736084817The disney adult video he just did with Null was fucking hilarious
>>736102715You asked how to "set up a sweep" not a specific stat pass for I'm assuming Machamp. If you want something for him then you can sleep/para the enemy or use light screen, safeguard, maybe pass him a sub or a calm mind or two so he can bulk up himself. Mr. Mime can do all of the latter alone.
>>736083107No.Ive played the games since the original 3 and they were piss easy.Whats happening is you were anywhere between 5 and 10 and didnt understand type matchups or levels and made it harder on yourself. Maybe there was one or two hard fights but thats all current Gen does too.
>>736083505kek you're fucking retarded
>>736102648>gen 1 means gen 3aight
>>736098352baller alert
>>736103384had he done tackle instead of bide Charmander would have died after 2 screeches
>>736101860Negro, you can literally beat any e4 using pokemon like 15 levels below
>>736100324Less gay than you lol
>>736103384>posting some lucky rng run to piss on random anons memories No, it is you who is the faggot
>>736101860>10 hours grindingYou were already called a retard earlier in the thread, what the fuck do you think is gonna happen if you double down?
>>736083107man FRLG's artsyle sucks ass
>>736103268All of that can be accomplished with X items and faster. Machamp learns Substitute. If you're gonna lie spend the 5 minutes to research.
>>736103564That's not a fair challenge
>>736103768Irrelevant, you asked how a team can set up a sweep and those are examples of such. Name the lie or stay raped.
>>736083107no I beat red and yellow as a 7 year old with no guides. nobody should struggle with them
pokegirl sexo.... misty sexo.... dawn sexo... may sexo... serena sexo...
>>736103851>used the overtuned starter pokemonyou didn't beat the game
>>736101646In speedruns yeah
>>736083530time is running out...https://howlonguntildspgetsajob.com/
>beating the gameYou didn't beat the game
>>736103835You've really given up on this huh
>>736083107Is he the worst gamer of all time?
>>736104135That would be my line, unless you can name the lie that is.
>>736083505>be me>6 years old (ish, I don't really remember)>play Pocketo Monstas Red>game is boring as shit compared to DRAGON WARRIOR I&II for the GBC>drop it before the first gym battle>be me at 12>have a hacked PSP>decide to give Gen 3 Porkymons a try since I really liked May (she looks kind of like Claire from RE2 and also one of my babysitters from when I was 5, and I still jerk off to May and Claire primarily)>finish the first two gyms of whatever, super fucking bored>be me, 25>get (steal) Pokemon Violet>create the best shota possible>play up until the taller girl fucks off and then never go back to the game againSuch is life!
>>736103747>I-I-I-IT'S JUST LUCK!!!
>>736104367Nooooo don’t you know items are banned in competitive play cheater cheater cheater!
Using items means you didn't beat the game
>>736101787lmao based
>>736090796>experts say
>>736101794>>736101817retards getting filtered by pokemon will always bring warmth to my heart
>>736104367>one level higher>uses items and half the moves in your repertoireNot exactly a breeze, more like a hard fought battle at that point.
>>736083107Definitely. The older games didn't have stuff like an in-game type chart guide for you and the exp share has only gotten more and more broken with each game. I genuinely think that if the new games didn't specifically tell you if a move you're selecting is super effective people would struggle with post gen 5 games.
>>736094783newfag
>>736100616None of those are ground moves.
>>736092502Butterfree is the only good option before brock unless you're playing yellow
>>736100642Eevee is easily missed. Lee and Lapras require you to beat a gym and progress through most of a ‘dungeon’ respectively. They’re not exactly free.
>>736103751He was proven right judging by this thread
>>736102876>>736103072It's the fact that you can get Cut in the S.S. Anne before Misty, but you can't use it on the trees until you beat her. I think you can skip Surge though.
>>736105056Did you find the lie yet?
>>736101817lmao faggot couldn't seal the deal and misty healed on his dumbass
>>736102876Go talk to Bill. Go through the house that was robbed. Go to Vermillion. Do the SS Anne and all the trainers east of vermillion. Then go back for Misty. I’m doing a FRLG playthrough now and that’s what you want to do if you started charmander. Starmie’s water pulse hits really hard.
>>736105093He only said go to vermillion. It's a given you have to fight her eventually, you need all the badges after all.
>>736105106In your post?
>>736104867You cannot avoid getting Lapras, that's as free as it gets
>>736105528Yeah, what was it?
>>736083628Also makes it much more fun. Like playing dragon quest without grinding.
>>736105779Ahh, I get it. You have super autism and need the last word. Take care of yourself.
>>736106343No problem anon, I enjoyed raping you.
>>736091727No, hes still correct. Employees and management at that location were not following basic directions, and had sustained several near lawsuits over this issue, failing and refusing to correct the deliberate misuse of equipment. DSP cant hardly follow basic directions, he struggles to identify and correct his mistakes, and his biggest failures are usually after long trains of repeated errors and accumulated mistakes. People like DSP (and i dont hate the guy) ARE the exact same reason we have hot coffee warnings.
>>736106438>manic teenager's first thread derail attemptAnd the thread will still end on DSP. The roach never dies
>>736106438Holy fucking cringe
>>736107227who are you quoting
>>736107504Once again you can't give up the last word yourself, huh?
>>736107956>>736107867Same person
>>736107047*films the event instead of leaving*yup, this is going to my tiktoks.
>>736108015proofs?
>>736108440The schizo can naturally detect the psychopath
>>736083107Reminder that companies literally look at people like DSP and use him as a metric for how casual a game needs to be.And because people like DSP will NEVER be satisfied, they WILL continue to find ways to casualize. Even if the game was literally a movie that played itself with zero input from the player required, they'd STILL bitch.
This thread has motivated me to actually play frlg again just to see if a victory road machoke can clear the E4 alone. I don't really think he can but it's bound to be interesting anyway. If I don't get bored on the way and there's another shitpost thread at the time I'll post results.Emulated of course, I'm not paying money for censored romhacks of the worst remakes in the series.
>>736109345>keeps subtly trying to move the goalposts It's a level 38 victory road machop. It might even be lower than that. The point is catch the first machop you see in there and use it on the elite four, no grinding, and yes grinding includes grinding for autism TM's to buff it.
>>736108928If DSP was what caused grinding to be removed from Pokémon he deserves a standing ovation
>>736083505>>Spend hours getting it up to level 15>>Get one shot by Brock because I didn't realize Poison was weak to GroundWhich move one shot you? Was it tackle?
>>736109452Considering you couldn't keep straight yourself whether it was Machop or Machamp I think Machoke is a suitable middle ground. Also Machops don't come at level 38 in the first place, so that condition is already impossible by default.
>>736109781I know you don't understand the concept because you're always samefagging, but there is more than one person on this board who might reply to you. The original post was a machop from victory road. That's it. No grinding. 38 might not be its level, but I promise you you will find a machop in victory road and you will use it
>>736083107Are they? I stopped playing after 4th gen becuase the Pokémon designs became utter shit. The games where always easy. I can't imagine it becoming much easier.
>>736109904If you go back up your shitpost ridden reply chain the first mention of Machop is your nonsensical strawman aimed and nobody, the first actual claim of soloing the E4 was a Machamp, so perhaps I should just use him instead.
>>736110150Dunno what you're hallucinating but it's a machop from victory road. If you don't catch a machop from victory road and go directly to the elite four and try to use him, then it turns out you had to grind and you admit you're wrong to yourself. Your call.Or, you can go your current route of pretending I ever said machamp and do that. Live in delusion if you want.
>>736099334>I like the idea of universal exp share but it's ruined by how baby easy the new Pokemon games are. You don't feel like you're overcoming any challengeI still remember my first trainer battle in Pokemon X. It was Youngster Austin with a level 5 Zigzagoon right before the first forrest area. I died and thought>oh cool. Seems like this will be challenging!then proceed to never get in any danger EVER again. This was the easiest, babiest, stupidest game I ever played. I never grinded yet ALL of my pokemon were ALWAYS overleveled.Youngster Austin was litterally the hardest fight in this whole game.
>>736109452what exactly is that supposed to prove anyways?a freshly caught pokemon will be just as shitty in a game with exp share.you are brain dead.
>>736110323The claim was machamp, in response to your deliberately nonsensical strawman. Why would anyone use Machop when Machoke is found in the same area?
>>736110403The point is you have to grind a caught pokemon. The original claim was you don't have to grind anything and you can just use anything you caught right away. People pointed out that was wrong by giving examples like that, which you just agreed to. Thanks for playing.
>>736110543nobody claimed that. take your meds.
>>736110543>grindIs just playing through the game normally grinding for you faggots?
>>736098898>>736110470That's the original post. The other one actually immediately forfeited the point because they said they admitted they'd grind it to a Machamp. It's all pointless. I've already won, idk why I'm still here.
>>736110639>>736110543So if being freshly caught is all that matters I can just catch a machoke instead, right? He's literally right there in victory road you know. You have played the games to know this, right?
>>736110591>>736110629I'm just glad we all agree it was a fucking stupid claim to make on that guy's (probably you) part. To say you don't have to grind pokemon up is insane.
>>736110759Show us where anyone said they could beat the e4 with a machop, please.
>>736110759PLAYING THROUGH THE GAME IS NOT GRINDING.DOING TRAINER BATTLES IS NOT GRINDING.IT'S PLAYING THE GAME
>>736083347
>>736110738It's over man. You lost. Let's stop.
>>736110759meds
>>736110856Nah I'm going to fight the e4 with a Machamp and see what happens, since that's what anon said he could do. Given you haunt every thread with this grinding obsession of yours I'm sure you'll be around when I report my findings.
>>736111025This is the first pokemon thread I have posted in in years. You can go get your EV trained machamp and buff him up with all the special moves you want. Won't change anything. I feel like Super Saiyan Goku looking down at Frieza on Namek while Frieza's arms and legs are missing. I'm just full powered and experiencing victory.
>>736111025How did you make it to the Elite 4? Where are your other Pokemon?It is a FACT that you don't need to grind SHIT in this game. Pick Squirtle, give it Surf, Eathquake, Icebeam and whatever, never catch another Pokemon except for HM slaves and steamroll the WHOLE game without a single non-mandatory battle.
>MFW everyone in this thread is talking about Pokemon>no one is donating or talking about the King's streamFuck you Pokefags. FUCK YOU.
>>736083107they were always easy, but probably more difficult compared to the party-wide exp share of today
>capture machop in victory road>give it rare candy found in victory road to evolve it>teach bulk up from TM found in Silph Co. HQ>teach EQ from TM gotten from Giovanni>trade literally zero grinding meta Machoke.
>>736111280>you can bash your head against a wall with a level 82 starter at the elite four This is true. The only time you have to grind in Pokémon is when you catch a new one or want a balanced, fun team. You can definitely mash surf on them hoes with squirtle into the endgame though
>>736111232Again, if you can show me the post claiming Machop specifically can solo the E4 I'll try it myself, but you won't since nobody made such a claim. >>736111280The original post wasn't even a challenge to the sperg over grinding, I just wanted to see if machamp could do it at all. But he keeps being a faggot so now it is.
>>736111396*machamp
>>736111396You can just catch a machoke outright, who cares about machop?
>>736111436The original claim was that zero grinding is required in Pokémon, and that you can just catch whatever and use it. If that is true, then whatever = Machop, and use it = use it on the victory road. Thus, the claim was they could use a victory road machop and kill the elite four. That's all. If you move the goal post from this, you admit you grinded.
>>736111589Again, show me where it is.
>>736111397>>you can bash your head against a wall with a level 82 starter at the elite fourBlastoise will be around level 50-60 if you don't take ANY additional battles.And this is more than enough. No "head against the wall" shit.Fighting more trainers will obviously make it even easier, But apparently playing the game is "grinding" for you fucktards
>>736111513yeah and the machoke you find is way higher level too. like 44 or something.
you know you can just download this for free? it takes all of ten seconds
>>736111706suck my dick, criminal
>>736111652Nah, I don't think I will. Find it or resign to your made up challenge.
>>736111705>>736111667Machop to the elite four or no backtalk
>>736083107I don't care, they were better.
>>736111985yeah as I said.rare candy, trade, TMs.easy.
>>736111835The burden of proof is on you, where's the machop? If the thread dies before you can it's gonna be Machamp.
>>736111985So if playing in the dumbest way possible doesn't lead to immediate success, the game is not "easy"?
>>736111793oh? I'm surprised you didn't know that considering you're on 4chan.
>>736094783I could be anyoneEven youThe you that forgot to take his medsBut it's too lateI can talk nowAnd you will have to listenAnd I will have to listenYou can talk nowAnd I can't not hear us anymoreI will listen, and I will talk, and I will keep talking, and I will keep listeningMe and you, stuck together
>>736112094>>736112086>>736112069*chuckles sensibly*That machop isn't gonna nongrind crush the elite four itself. Go catch it, /v/ san
>>736104662no its newfag who post like that.
>>736103384that was lucky af
>>736112212Your times running out anon, show me the claim and I'll back it up.
>bro getting a gf is easy>"Oh? Is that so?">*starts pissing himself*>"Where are the girls? I still have no gf"
>>736112329Time is a fleeting thing to a man who's tasted sweet, sweet 4chan victory
>>736112398You can pretend all you want but machamp it is, unless you want to visit reality and correct me
>>736112584In reality, this is the post.>>736098898All else is cope from you. Adhere to the rules.
>Have you seen this monster?>Went missing in internet argument, offering one E4 challenge for any information on his whereabouts
>>736112710Your strawman is not a claim that machop could beat the elite four, try again
>>736112838COPE
>>736112892Still waiting
>>736112926SEETHE
>>736113052times almost up anon, it's not too late to prove me wrong
>>736113052>>736113118Now kiss.
>>736113118Not my problem
>>736113347retard
>>736113412Dilate
>>736113347Then it's not your problem if I use Machamp then
>>736113514Use Machamp, my friend. Your challenge is your own.
Does DSP really deserve so much hate and harassment for being stupid about video games?
>>736113882It's like pro wrestling, he pretends to be retarded and the audience enjoys it
>>736113882no and his detractors seem way more subhuman than the original ones.
