Dynamic Framegen is out ladshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdGtD_9JXwU
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mmmmm yes i can't wait to slop up my games even moredlss chads where we at?
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-app-dlss-4-5-dynamic-multi-frame-generation-available-now/
>LAT 30msyea
>>736098050thats perfectly fine
>>736097883I'm past generating frames. I just generate the feeling I would get from playing the game.
i think the FG itself isn't causing the slightly higher latencybut probably the cost of enabling when you're gpu bound, which lowers base FPS a littlethus causing higher millisecond measurements, though reflex minimizes that
>>736098321This but instead I generate the feeling I would get from watching a let's play of the game and having a parasocial relationship with the streamer.
but I don't want fake frames
>>736098580>acts as a legal loophole to find which games you play so that data can be sold off
>>736097883I thought this came out months ago>>736098004Oh, this is the special 5000-series only version. Since I'm on a 4000-series I guess I won't update
i don't like it3x already looks bad. you start seeing similar artifacts that look like vsync tears but only in specific spots. x4-x6 amps that. and im trying this on a 265hz display
AI won
>>736099342Oh my hecking gawd they will know which games I hecking play? It is so le hecking overino!!!
>>736099730dynimc fg fixes a lot of the blur and only ads ~5-10ms
>>736097883Another feature not asked for or wanted
>>736098575You use a LCD display so you already got fake frames
>op>post picture of thing with op stating thing>says nothing else>isnt a faggotYOU COULD AT LEAST TELL ME WAHT TO DO FAGGOT
>>736100247>>736098004READ FAG
>>736100247what it does*
>>736100337NO, NOW EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO CLICK A LINK. YOU COULDVE POSTED -IN THE OP- WHAT THIS SHIT DOES AND INSTEAD NOW EVERYONE HAS TO WATCH A VIDEO (WHICH DOESNT SAY ANYRTHING) SO THEYLL HAVETO FIND OUT YOUR SHIT VIDEO DOESNT MATTER AND NOW THEN HAVE TO CLICK A LINK TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT DOES>BEFORE MAKING A FUCKING OP MAKE SURE IT LITERALLY ISNT SHITPOSTING
>>736097883Lossless scaling has had this for a while.
And how much worse is the latency going from x4 to x6 framegen?
>>736097883What are the prerequisites? Seems like you can't enable it for some Nvidia framegen supported games
>>736097883
>>736100485retard
>>736100514LS also has far more artifacts than tensor cored hardware solutions. you are a shill
LADS, LADS, LADDIES, CHECK THIS SH*T OUT!!!
>>736100514lossless scaling has a lot more input lag
>>736097883will we even need game devs after dlss 6? just AI gen an image and then frame gen a whole game from there
4x frame gen is painful enough in Cyberpunk. but the only way I can max everything in 4K.Can't wait to hit 100ms lag.
>>736101184LSFG's x4 MFG mode outperform DLSS FG x2 actually, in dual GPU setups.There's in fact less latency at just X2 FG.
>>736097883might actually use thisnever typically use over 2x frame gen, not due to quality issues but the fact that it actually lightens the load on your GPU too much and the game becomes CPU dependent, introducing poor .1% lowsif i can tie it to framerate that might be neat
>>736097883Where the fuck are the better ray reconstruction presets?
Amazing! RTX 5060 is now RTX 4090 performance. Leatherman's done it again!
>>736102246Erm no... Im not that stupid.
Genuinely what's the fucking point if your input is still processed at sub-60fps. I supposed it's for movie games?
>>736102491Get 50+fps and its not noticeableBut x6 FG will be a pai with 1s delay
>>736099501Have they ever given the technical reason for why the 4xxx series cards doesn't have multiramegen?
>>736102134>it actually lightens the load on your GPU too much and the game becomes CPU dependentThat's not how it works at all, the more real frames you have the higher cpu is used, not the opposite. Using high framegen multiplier actually reduces the base framerate (due to overhead), it doesn't increase it, thus it's less and less dependant on the cpu.
>>736102491framegen at high latencies works great with singleplayer games + controller. It's actually on par with console latency, but way more effective. Super cozy actually.
>>736097883fake ass FPS that tanks performance.
>>736102940i use fg x2 in CD its nice
>>736102491The point is motion clarity.However the problem is input lag.X2 framegen is actually equal or sometimes a net positive in latency due to reflex, LFC and how modern monitors work at higher refresh. But after X3 you start to get more and more latency, especially on a monitor under 240hz or if your base fps is getting under 60-50fps.
>>736102689Maybe if you're one of those weirdos that don't notice input lag at all. The smoothness of 120fps w/ input being processed at 60fps is very jarring. Maybe you wouldn't notice it from 120->240 but idk.
>>736102246>cheapest RTX 5060 (8GB lol) is 349. >cheapest RTX 5070 is 649And that presentation was over a year old. Crazy.
>>736103212Depends on the game x6 its like ~45ish ms for a singleplayer thats fine imo
>>736103250>45ish ms>fineholy shit at that point you might as well just get a GeForce Now sub
>framegen and lossless scalingPoorfag gaming sure is grim.
>>736103407retard
>>736102491I don't know about mfg since I only have a 4080 but input lag is basically imperceptible at a base of like 90+ fps with x2 frame gen. I agree that it feels like SHIT at 30 - 60 (mostly tried with really old fps capped games with lossless scaling)I have a 240hz monitor and a shitty cpu, most modern games plus dlss run around 90+ fps for me, adding frame gen to the mix helps a lot with making things look smoother when I'm cpu bound so often. I honestly don't know the technical details in terms of latency here but it can't be that bad if I'm still regularly shitting on bf6 lobbies.But yeah I'd say it's not really a poorfag tech.
>check OP's vid>targets 240hz>it regularly goes way above itKek, I can't believe this, LSFG is better.
>>736102119Latency addition of lsfg could somehow be zero and it still wouldn't be worth using. Nvidias implementation is literally the only one worth using.
>>736103407Yours is higher because you don't have reflex anyways.
The input lag for this is absolutely intolerable. I'd rather run the game at a baby dogshit res like 640x480 than deal with the horrible input lag.
>>736103615Hello Jacob from Nvidia.
Do third worlders really gen frames from 20fps to 60fps and call that a win?
>>736103715> you...you're a shill!kys, it's not my fault Nvidias the only one putting out usable anything anymore. >>736103804It's win-more tech. It's best on high end cards.
>>736103615Actually agree. I tried lossless scaling before getting a 50 series card and while it was decent it still felt like a beta technology. Frame gen 2x on nvidia is the only usable frame gen tech and also the best implementation. I just wish it could be applied to any game like lossless scaling allows.
sadly stalker 2 with fgx2 STILL runs like ass
>>736103876Let's see if people think the same about DLSS5, jacob from nvidia.>>736103924Considering LSFG isn't using the game's data at all, it's impressive that it can look this good, but yeah it doesn't do great in modern games with 3rd person cameras, but those get native framegen implementations anyway.But I disagree that nvidia's is the only good one because FSR FG is also good, cost less perf and unlike Nvidia it doesn't touch the UI at all which can be beneficial in some games.Today's update for nvidia cards actually also has a new framegen preset which is made to fix UI issues on a few games. This proves that there IS a problem and nvidia has to try and fix it.
>>736098079its notmy monitor is 1ms and my average reaction time is sub 15msfilthy jeet
>>736097883When will the AI bubble pop so novidea goes broke?
>>736104527Trying FSR frame gen is what made me buy lossless scaling because it was so shit. FSR 3 is bad enough with moving objects and frame gen just made it look worse. Lossless scaling was way more stable but could trip up on something dumb like if you move the player camera past a lamppost in gta 4 which causes the algorithm to fall apart. I haven't had any issues with nvidia x2 frame gen in any of the games it's in. Like you wouldn't even notice its on if you didn't check the settings unlike the competitors.
>>736103451If you think that 45ms is fine then you might have some mental deficiencies, yeah
>>736104653>my monitor is 1ms and my average reaction time is sub 15msthat is not how it works fucking cumguzzling woke fag
>>736105004Oh so you were just unable to play games until pretty recently then? You can't even get below that in 99% games until you're at like 200+fps
Oh boy, it's another one of those threads where poor people who have literally 0 idea what they're talking about rage and make shit up about something they will never (have the chance to) use while calling you a jeet or retard.
>>736104918It's shit by default due to poor framepacing with VRR, FSR FG needs vsync, and reflex too. And yeah for some stuff like looks worse it notably has issues with shadows. But the upside is the performance, much closer to actually x2 your FPS, and the UI is not affected at all while Nvidia's FG garble the UI in some games.
>>736097883Certified slop
>>736098050>>LAT 30ms>yeaNow let's see without framegen>>LAT 28 msWhat now, nigga?Let's disable Reflex too since it's totally a meme right?>>LAT 55ms
>>736106224I found it's the opposite because for example you can hack in FSRFG into crimson desert but the map isn't detected as being semi translucent so anything that passes behind the map looks like it's running at half fps. Nvidia frame gen takes these all into consideration so the image is way more stable in my experience and also comes with some quality of life optimisations like FG turning off when you're in menus in crimson desert. Not sure if FSRFG does that too desu I didnt check.
Reflex 2 will fix it
>>736101156>AI is now>AIWoah I can't believe it, that's crazy!
>>736106532Coming soon™
>>736106352lolyou do know that 4x frame gen carves off 30% of your real framerate right?that's not a 2ms decrease
just what i was looking for! latency!
>>736101156>stuff you could already do but in a way that uses up significantly more resourcesAI moment
>50 series onlyWhat's the pointFucking DLSS Enabler can do it on like 3050s, why the hell can't they?
lol
>>736107639You know that's using a modded version of fsr right? Not dlss? Go try it yourself, it sucks ass.>>736106960>you do know that 4x frame gen carves off 30% of your real framerate right?Depends on the gameThough if your latency is lower than "native" with fg+reflex even with a lower real framerate, does it really matter?
>>736108540no, the only time you won't lose that much is when you're CPU bottleneckedframe gen is really expensive
>>736108210Do you retards seriously think FG just doubles the flat amount of frames present?
>>736108837I just think you shouldn't deluded yourself into taking frame gen seriously It's just expensive motion blur
>>736108540And yet the point still stands, if some retard on the internet manages to use FSR to generate 6 times the frames on older cards, why can't the multibillion dollar company that owns DLSS do the same?
>/v/ loves AI slop nowYikes
Is there an actual difference between 4.5 and 4.0 on crimson deasert? I genuinely can't tell.
I can't believe the ai pajeets are unironically going>how does this affect you personally?!on me.
>>736108210How is this not impressive?>>736109236No lmao it remove motion blur from sample and hold displays if anything.
>>736111976>your bitching about ai stealing all data off of the internet and stolen books is only a problem if YOU personally are a programming/drawing/composer/creator godReally tired of this shit. Where do you even begin against people like this
Where the fuck is reflex 2? This is all useless if it adds as much lag.
what would native performance be like if they just replaced all the AI tensor cores or whatever with regular cores?
>>736112296Apparently they have issues adapting it easily to all games. Just let them cook. Nvidia deserves a lot of hatred but their engineers are actually good and eventually they'll deliver when it's ready. People also thought Pulsar was dead for years until they basically shadowdropped it and it blew everyone's expectations away.
>>736097883if you haven't sold your nVidia card and support this in any way you are supporting DLSS 5 and AI Slop
>>736112125How is this impressive? You're chopping off 40% of the framerate and increasing latency only to create images that don't represent the game state and passing it off as frames They do nothing but stuff benchmarks
>>736112456It hardly would be a noticeable improvement. The tensor cores are like 10% of the die at most. It's honestly better to have specialized cores optimized for different math and run upscaling on them. I
framegen is for retarded faggots
>>736112947X6 is retarded and arguably x4 as wellbut only taking 30% of the gpu's load to generate 3 interpolated frames per ~14ms intervals to get nearly x3 FPS is impressive, I expected a lot worse.The latency didn't increase by that much, too. ~40ms is still very good and not beyond the point where lag would be noticeable.You're still gaming at the latency of 60fps, but you get 200FPS of actual fluidity and clarity, it's still a win unless latency is your priority.Personally I never use more than x2 but I only use 120fps oled displays with BFI, at x3 for me the max native FPS would be 40, and that feels real bad with latency well over 60ms which I feel instantly, but if I had a 240fps monitor than x3 would make sense, maybe even x4. I'd have to see the quality for myself, though, but it shouldn't be worse than x2, because> that don't represent the game state the fake frames are always based on a ground truth real frame that's calculated before the fake ones are generated. Since a real frame is strobing every 3 frames and the difference delta between 2 real frames should be very small at 60fps, you're not gonna see many artifacts if any.
>>736114058x2 framegen is a no brainer in most case especially for 200hz + monitors, unless turning it on drops your real fps to under 50 or 40fps.X2 only has like 4ms of additional latency, in some case if you consider reflex and the monitor LFC lag, the total latency can even improve.It's pure nig retardation to look at a clear 60-70% motion clarity improvement and then be like>HMMM, NO THANKS, THIS MAKES ME LOSE 4MS OF LATENCY I WAS NEVER GONNA FEEL ANYWAY FOR MY AAA CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE, TURN THAT SHIT OFF
