>>736110552
Even a viable low/medium PC build is in that ballpark, and games on PC are infested with high level hackers/cheaters that they simply can't get rid of. Paying for online is like paying for a Costco membership, it keeps all the freaks out unlike Walmart.

Most computing needs can be done on a fairly cheap laptop/phone/tablet.

PS store sales are frequent, probably as frequent as Steam at this rate and are nearly identically priced.

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>>736110552
>that can exclusively only play games

Not exactly. Consoles have increasingly become multimedia hubs since the PS2 & original Xbox days. Being able to play DVDs on your PS2 was a selling point.

>>736110552
>What will be the point of throwing $1000+ on a piece of hardware that can exclusively only play games?
Because the other option is a PC which is the same exact thing but $1000 more expensive.

>>736110552
>people will switch to low/medium PC builds?
Consolenormies only play games on the living room TV and couch, they can't do that with a PC

>>736111007
Doesn't literally every single TV nowadays come with built in multimedia software and you don't need any external device to watch Netflix and the likes?

>>736110552
its an extinct market kept alive by corporate forced marketing. ps6/xbox 720 will be the last generation

>>736110552
Are they gonna at least remodel the 5 and series x like the super slim ps3? Plenty of people are still playing the ps4 to this day and discontinuing the ps4 was a bad idea, Sony lost a lot of potential sales. I'd buy a ps5 but it's just a big hunk of shit like the OG Xbox one. I like small consoles I'd rebuy a ps4 if they made a super slim.

>>736111265
Who connects their TV to the internet?

>>736110552
Basically every piece of tech in my house is a computer that can browse the internet, including my phone which is on me 100% of the time. There is literally zero reason for me to set up a desk and reserve a place in my home specifically for "computing" and then to further justify it by moving all my gaming setup into that specific corner on a smaller worse display just to say that I'm gaming on a computer.

People will switch to Nintendo and mobile games
Honestly a PS4/Xbox one still holds up to this day, we don't really need to go much past them devs just need to optimise shit.
There isn't a single current gen gane out atm that you can look at and say
>Yeah, good luck getting that to run on the PS4/Xbox one.
Fuck man, the pro model of the xbox one is unironically pretty capable in terms of its specs compared to current low/midrange PCs
4K 60? no, 1080 30? Yeah

>>736110552
emm u forgot the most important part.
you can play any singleplayer game FOR FREE on PC if you're smart enough...
I was planning on getting PS5 Pro for GTA 6 + for running singleplayer games on highest quality since my PC is getting old.
I aint paying 1K for a console tho. I will probably get used base PS5 for 400$ or less and sell it as soon as im done with GTA 6.
I better upgrade my PC, and I need less than 1K.
I am glad they made everything expensive it is such a no brainer choice for me now. Thank you tariffs and orange man

>>736111265
Yea, but to be honest, they're usually really slow and shitty. You're better off connecting a random computer in your house to the TV and working off of that instead. Or alternatively getting a roku or something equivalent.

>>736110552
I like how you pc tards think these part prices are somhow not pushing up pc prices too

>>736110552
Just get a $450 Switch 2

Nothing will ever make me want to play on a pc, got a laptop I barely turn on and been away from desktops since 2015 but recent had a Deck (got it early Dec sold it by late Feb). The closest console like experience is far from it, too many issues to deal with but if that’s your thing more power to ya.

daily PC vegan thread

>>736110552
The only point will be for retards to be parted with their money. Sony will most likely try to push some sort of "new technology" slop like that ssd that was supposed to be the fastest thing ever last time. The retards will eat it all up.

>>736110552
Most likely just a very extended generation overlap. PC is extremely expensive too but you can use old outdated hardware. Same concept. Streaming might become more popular now though and that sucks.

>>736110552
Traditional gaming is a dying market
Milking retarded whales with your F2P mobile shite is where the real money is.

>>736116768
Except many companies with the f2p shit have made proper games from that funding

>>736110552
Aren't they killing off entry level pcs?

>>736115440
This. Smart TVs are the fucking worst.

>>736110992
console gaming is also infested with smurfs, hackers and people using hardware like cronus to cheat

t. someone that still plays R6:siege
and its every game, even master duel,
they can easily "fix" this by not forcing everyone to play with randoms/ranked and allowing you to level up and get stuff normally in private rooms, people would just deal with it themselves and slowly build their own small communities for weekedn playing etc

I tried switching to pc gaming a decade ago and ultimately it killed the hobby for me. I just like the console experience more.

>>736110552
By the time these consoles come out a thousand American dollars will buy a loaf of bread so it’ll actually be a pretty good deal.

>>736110552
>Consoles have way less sales than previous generations because money is way tighter for people than it was 20 years ago
>"LETS INCREASE CONSOLE PRICES FURTHER!!!"
Corporate mental illness.

>>736110552
So what's the cheap alternative now then?

>>736117581
A more expensive pc!

>>736117013
*turns off crossplay*

>>736117581
switch 2

>>736111113
You can get a low end pc that plays most games for like $300-$500. Also you already use a computer for the internet, not just games. That’s silly to say.

people just don't want to pay for PCs, the cost value doesn't matter. people don't want to build those things

>>736117581
PSPortal streaming only mode.

>>736110552
Yes

>>736117581
Get a stick and a ball and hit the ball with the stick to see how far it goes

>>736111007
Modern consoles are shit multimedia devices because I can't pirate on them.
It's why I use an Nvidia Shield as my set top box since it's using a non-shit version of Android TV that I can just pirate everything on.

I have to wonder if this is because of younger kids just not playing video games besides phone shit or something, so they think they're being smart by chasing the aging demographic that grew up nostalgic for them since they should have their own money now
the difference being the era they grew up in with those consoles could be considered utter economic opulence and splendor compared to now

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>>736117581
Your phone

>>736118279
my kid's two now and I genuinely don't know how I'm gonna tackle the technology / internet question. I always said I'd take the same approach my parents did and be totally hands off with it, but shit is just completely fucking different now, and I also worry about the possibility of socially isolating. Thankfully a pushback seems to be happening already so maybe the problem will be gone by the time he's at that age

because people want to play games.
Also they usually end up as media centers now. Streaming boxes, passthrough for TV (xbox does this anyway not sure about playstation), etc.
There ARE cheaper options, roku and fire sticks, etc, and less piracy options, but eh.

>>736110552
>that can exclusively only play games?
you do realise that a PS5 is one of the better options for watching movies right now right?

And pcs are expensive as fuck these days so the old pc advantage of its cheaper is largely gone.

>>736117581
Unironically an entry level PC, there's enough F2P shit out there now that you can have a decent rotation of games for nothing.
Shit sucks but sadly you are just being priced out of "modern gaming"

>>736118487
>And pcs are expensive as fuck these days
Evidentially, so are consoles.

>>736117703
>the alternative to a $1000 console with no games is a $500 console with games
baka...

>>736118279
To get a phone to play half of the shit you want would be in the same price range

>>736118398
I'm wondering the same thing, mines only 1 though. I was considering the usual stuff we were told, don't give out your personal details for example. I'm not keen on the whole discord front though with all the fucking groomers now

>>736119085
>you want
Stop wanting things you cannot afford.

>>736118398
As someone who isn't a parent and hasn't even looked after a kid I would suggest limiting their time on a tablet.
I do think it's important to teach them tech stuff but try to keep it supervised and when they're older.
Try to get them into more rewarding hobbies like hiking, cooking, reading, playing an instrument, drawing etc. and try to foster creativity.
I see some parents shopping with their kid and they are having real conversations, nothing crazy obviously, but the kid clearly sees their parent as someone they can talk to and telling them about some plans they have for when they get home and the parent is, at the very, showing interest
Then I see other kids where they're just sat there glued to an ipad and only look up when their name is called to a parent who wishes their kid was old enough to sit in the car.

Show them the internet is a tool to help not a tool to replace.

>>736119369
Kek good goy

>>736115739
No we just do not care.
By the time I look at a game and say mh maybe I'll CONSIDER upgrading for this?
Snoy will have sold you 4 consoles at least

>>736118453
>There ARE cheaper options, roku and fire sticks
That's a fucking understatement, what kind of fucking retard is going to pay $1k+ because a console can be used to watch Netflix when a fucking $20 Fire Stick accomplishes the exact same thing, and probably better?

>>736119420
You're pc has lasted you 30-40 years? Amazing

>>736110552
time for them to join the pc master race

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>Can only play games
If only, their OS and multimedia shit is so bloated it makes optimizing games a nightmare.
I want plug and play consoles back

>>736110552
Its kinda the opposite anon more expensive PC components hurt PC gaming more than consoles because console manufactureres get components for waaaaay cheaper than the average pc gamer

>>736120351
But it doesn't affect ME so it doesn't matter

>>736119863
they're buying it for being a games console, blueray drive and a media hub dummy

>>736119863
why did people buy PS4s and xbox ones?

>>736120413
Ain't no one buying a games console for its blu-ray capabilities in 2026, almost everyone who watches movies on their consoles watches movies through streaming services.

>>736110552
>Death of consoles incoming?
No. Only troubles for PS and death for Xbox (unless they manage a turnaround). Nintendo will be fine.

>What will be the point of throwing $1000+ on a piece of hardware that can exclusively only play games?
Getting a dedicated device as usual. Multitask devices suck outside being a PC, smartphone proved that.

>>736120413
Nigga what year is it lmao. Fucking blueray player. Even Sony gave up on blueray for movies and shows. They went back to 4k dvds

>>736120494
Gaming. They're were affordable for parents. Think about what games profited the most on them. Shit that kids were playing like fortnite and cod

>>736120726
>>736120591
you guys are doing like 2000's console wars posting where you lie to yourselves but for pcs, it's bizarre

>>736117581
ps4

>>736120814
Anon, the only person living in the 2000s is you.

>>736120029
Sure you are the one sane snoy who never fell for
>omg slim version? Must have now
>pro version Hell yeah I am a pro!
and managed to stick it out with one DRMbox per generation.

Consoles occupy an awkward niche where they're too enthusiast for streaming/mobile but too casual for PC. Casual console players will move towards mobile/streaming where they just use their general multimedia devices to game while the hardcore console players will move towards PC devices like the Steam machine.

Ironically, Microsoft ended up being right with where gaming was headed with the Xbox One, they just sold it terribly and before the world was ready

>>736110552
there’s room for a new competitor. Nintendo fell for the power meme too with the switch 2. no one is stopping any manufacturer from making a low end Wii-like, DS-like device you know. a $200 console cannot exist in 2026? nonsense. look at evercade. gaming doesn’t also have to be restricted to the Tv and controller format. hint hint manufacturers.

>>736121000
>Ironically, Microsoft ended up being right with where gaming was headed with the Xbox One, they just sold it terribly and before the world was ready
They were so right they lost billions and almost killed their gaming brand.

>>736121015
The only $200 console that'll exist in the modern era is some shitty Ouya-tier glorified Android TV box that plays phone games.

>>736120994
What are you smoking? You don't replace your working console with a slim model, that's for youtubers farming "content." Slim models are for people who waited for a price drop, slims usually costing less to manufacture so provide the vehicle for Sony to drop the price and reel in more customers who wouldn't bite before. The Pros never sell in large numbers. There's a reason the PS4 Pro was never remodelled and never came in limited edition colors when the base model did, because they were still selling the original batches right up until it was discontinued. The PS5 pro sold even worse.

>>736121015
>Nintendo fell for the power meme too with the switch 2
Not entirely, they're still behind so it still sustainable for them unless a big extrenal factor hits.

>>736121000
Microsoft was right but they didn't have enough soft power to get away with pushing it all at once. They took the hit and let Sony slowly worm their way into the same position without any backlash.

>>736117013
>and people using hardware like cronus to cheat
I would argue that cheating with a Cronus is the worst and most insidious form of cheating. If somebody locks onto my head from several hundred meters doing a 360, I know that person is dogshit at the game and I can leave without thinking about it too much. But if somebody uses a Cronus to control recoil exceptionally well, is that person, from my perspective, cheating? Or is he just that good? You know not knowing 100% whether or not someone cheats is sinister in a way.

>>736121000
>Ironically, Microsoft ended up being right with where gaming was headed with the Xbox One, they just sold it terribly and before the world was ready
The only thing they were right about was that the majority of americans and a sizable chunk of Europe were ready and willing to go all digital. If the bone had been focussed on just that they'd have been fine. It was the weird "publishers will set the sharing terms" and always online bullshit that ruined them. There was no need for that and no clear path to increased profitability. Some idiot sold them a pup and they failed to identify it as a total waste of time. Sony never adopted the stupid parts of the bone, they just followed the money to a disgustingly digital future of subscriptions and limited ownership. They sensibly left all the crazy on the table.

>>736121015
>$200 console
that price point is populated by phones

>>736121902
>we should hand over the gaming industry to google

>>736121890
>The only thing they were right about was that the majority of americans and a sizable chunk of Europe were ready and willing to go all digital.
And all that work was done by Steam.

>>736114978
Nice fucking blog post, poorfag retard

>>736117873
>$300 low end PC
LMFAO

>>736121000
I game on console and don’t want to do any of that

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>>736110552
>consoles THEN
Here is cutting edge graphics and game play at a fraction of the price of a computer. The trade off is you can't use it to do computer stuff but we have exclusives you can't even play on PC.
>consoles NOW
well it's $1000 to play on 5 year old PC technology. We did away with physical game ownership, charge you for online gaming, shoved a bunch of streaming apps that force ads on you, force ads on you in our homescreen, have no exclusives, and have disabled features we had 20 years ago like letting you play movie codec formats popular on torrent sites.... but we let you do almost as much as a computer! Sure you can get a cheaper computer with more functionality but the graphics won't be as good.... maybe....

Sony in the situation it's in hurts my heart. You know how many sleepovers I spent playing PS1 with friends? How many late nights playing ps2 games all weekend? Gaming with friends talking shit on Xbox live and then playing PS3 with my GF and taking smoke and sex breaks?

Ps4's only crimes were charging for online and a lack of exclusives a more or less fine console but it didn't offer enough for.me to justify buying one.
Ps5 just had nothing to give. It was impressive at first but every game on it was on PC. There wasn't much of a leap in technology from the ps4 pro. It didn't do much of anything.

I wanna see sony on top again. They were a comfy game company with so many good memories.

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I'm not sure the Jew in me is willing to pay $800 for a PS6 day one. My limit is probably $700. If, somehow, the PS6 launches a home console version at $600, that's an immediate purchase.

>>736122852
Sony isn't going to do you guys any favors now that they're confident Xbox is dead and the PS5 convinced them that their install base are willing to be gouged a lot more than they initially thought. They're more likely to do the exact opposite and try to make you guys pay for the PS6 at a small profit so they can declare record revenues.

>>736122776
>Here is cutting edge graphics
Never was the console's angle until some crazy retard at Sony spearheaded that direction for that specific platform and brand.

>>736123051
>Sony isn't going to do you guys any favors now that they're confident Xbox is dead
Speaking of Xbox. Since the Shawarma chick was placed there has been some quite logic and actually good calls within Xbox... or at least not colossal misteps like the last decade. Which is odd.

>>736117581
What part of "you will own nothing" did you not understand?
You’ll rent your console

>>736123051
Depends how consumers respond to the new $600/$650/$900 price points. I think the $600 PS5 will still sell okay, but that $900 PS5 Pro will tank.

>>736123306
>You’ll rent your console
This is the Xbox's endgame since Moore left.

>>736122852
>I'm not sure the Jew in me is willing to pay $800 for a PS6 day one.
Lol, you actually think the PS6 is going to launch cheaper than a PS5 Pro?

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>>736110992
>games on PC are infested with high level hackers/cheaters
The only times I consistently do are when a game is borderline abandonware like TF2
>Paying for online is like paying for a Costco membership
Even with all the money that they get from those services it STILL doesn't guarantee quality servers/connection like in pic rel
Game Devs still have to foot all of the costs for their own servers, all Xbox/Sony are just the middlemen that let you play on them

>>736123582
I don't think the PS5 Pro is still gonna be $900 when the PS6 launches.

>>736123670
Then you're retarded.

>>736111661
Probably console players lol

>>736123713
Always the response of an intelligent individual.

>>736123713
He believes the PS6 is coming, we call that clinical mental disability, not just retardation

>>736110552
1000 dollars is like high range for gaming PCs. Consoles are going to become irrelevant outside of Nintendo if they do this. Almost makes me wonder if there is some planned hardware homogenization or something. Microsoft would have actual incentive to do this, and Sony Interactive Entertainment is controlled by demons to the point that the Sony higher prefer to just pretend they never had a console division.

>>736124108
>1000 dollars is like high range for gaming PCs
Could you share with me a link to a $1000 high-end gaming PC that I could buy?

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>>736124108
The plan is to make leasing your console the norm.

>>736120814
Na I'm just not delusional thinking majority are buying fucking blurays in 2026 lmao

>>736120994
>Has to create a false narrative to justify his fucking retarded take.
Go on, triple down now. It's pathetically hilarious

>>736124108
>Almost makes me wonder if there is some planned hardware homogenization or something.
MS' agenda seems like it but then again... that idea was put in their heads by all the casuals jumping into PC in the last decade. One random faggot in an echo chamber like, let's say... twitter is enough to make a retard think they should follow, they seem to think that post is a reality by itself.

>>736121015
Games barely run on baseline ps5s and xbox series s. You drop that quality any further and it will be unplayable. Low tier devices worked in the past with competent developers at the helm

>>736121974
No retard, he's saying that position is already taken. No one will be able to compete

>>736117873
>You can get a low end pc that plays most games for like $300-$500
I can just get a console for $500.

>>736122440
yeah i bought a mini pc thing for that it plays indie sloppa

>>736123167
Got any examples? Her resume didn't look promising

>>736123670
Why not?

>>736124108
>1000 dollars is like high range for gaming PCs
Hahahahahaha you neckbeards live in a fucking bubble.

>>736124627
>Killing off the remants of the "This is an Xbox" campaign
>Tracing back implying the return of a GP cheap tier
There's not much, but hey; for Xbox's behaviour as of late, this is something.

Can't wait to stream everything with my AI powered device.

>>736122776
if you had sex you should leave

>>736124384
It is funny because PC gaming is absolutely grossly overestimated due to people online being noisy about it. PC gaming in part isn't the biggest because good computers to play games with would typically be worth a lot more than a console. The people in the high spending markets that support gaming have had consistent access to consoles and bought them because of it, PC gaming being bloated in part from all the countries that don't get consoles who buy PCs out of necessity. This pricing is going to remove the incentive that the masses in high spending countries had to buy gaming hardware that allows them to spend money on games. But this price is still viewed as absurd for entertainment (outside of luxury bullshit and themeparks). So the masses in the countries that supported gaming just are going to drop it and PR is going to be nuked by waves of complaints about a hobby being unaffordable. The countries that have higher PC gaming rates over consoles that won't be affected by the death of consoles tend to pirate games or play very few of them. It is sort of a jumble of words, but in short, they are just going to kill the entire AAAA gaming industry because of Internet memes. So many people fail to the internet still in modern day. It is insane watching billions of dollars be wasted in such stupid ways.

>>736117581
Your imagination.

>>736124356
Why bother? its your money to waste poorfag

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>>736124697
Because I think the PS5 Pro will sell terribly at that price point. At least, I hope it does.

There is a price point where consumers will simply stop consuming. For example, the fast food industry raised prices too high, too quickly during Covid, and they've been consistently losing low income customers for years. Those customers are going elsewhere and despite a renewed push for better value options by fast food companies, they're not coming back.

At $900, I see the PS5 Pro selling exclusively to the $250k+ a year households. Console consumers are already becoming dominated by high income households, but the PS5 Pro will be out of reach for even most of those homes. As a result, sales of the PS5 Pro will tank.

That rejection will result in a steep price cut. After reflecting on "consumer dissatisfaction", Sony will drop the price of the PS5 Pro as the PS6 launch nears, and after GTA 6's launch as come and gone, clearing out whatever remaining stock they have left. This will also influence the PS6's price point as Sony will have over a year of data showing consumers will not buy at $900.

Of course, if the $900 PS5 Pro continues to sell as well as when it was $750, well, then fuck.

>>736124108
>$1k is high-end
Maybe in like 2020, but now with inflated prices of PC parts from AI data centers?
The only way I could see that happening is if you get really good deals on second-hand parts on Ebay/Facebook Marketplace

>>736110552
pc is $3000+

>>736125737
>Los Angeles Times
>Tranny named Suhauna (((Hussain)))

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>>736125815
>(((Hussain)))

>>736125737
Your logic is flawed because we already have this scenario. The base PS5 slim is the same price as what the base PS5 was at launch and the just priced the pro even higher. They haven't budged either. So why would they now when the ps6 arrives? This shit has already priced out lower income familes, they're long forgotten. They usually come into the market with the release of the slim and a price drop, but it never came this gen

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>>736126265
>Your logic is flawed because we already have this scenario.
We don't already have this scenario because the price hike doesn't take effect yet. The prices aren't yet $600/$650/$900.

>The base PS5 slim is the same price as what the base PS5 was at launch and the just priced the pro even higher. They haven't budged either.
PS5 Slim launched at $450. It's now $500 for the next 2 days. That's not $900.

>So why would they now when the ps6 arrives?
Because the PS5 Pro ends up selling poorly at $900.

>This shit has already priced out lower income familes, they're long forgotten. They usually come into the market with the release of the slim and a price drop, but it never came this gen
That's true. Yet sales of the PS5 have sold well. It's selling almost as well as the PS4 did, despite zero nominal price cuts and many price hikes. At this same point in the PS4's life cycle, there were a few price cuts and the PS5 is still selling almost as good as the PS4.

So, consumers still bought the PS5 despite price hikes and the $750 PS5 Pro. And I think they'll continue to buy PS5s at $600.

BUT, and this is the crux of my argument, at $900, I think the PS5 Pro's sales will tank relative to how it sold at $750 and that'll show that customers will not buy a console at that price point. Unless Sony wants the PS6 to launch with dismal sales numbers, they'll adjust the PS6's price to fit more in line with consumer budgets.


https://www.vgchartz.com/article/467095/ps5-vs-ps4-sales-comparison-january-2026/

>>736126821
PS5 Pro isn't necessarily selling poorly, as it's keeping up with PS4 Pro pace in USA despite being much more.

>>736128384
The PS5 Pro HAS been selling in line with the PS4 Pro...at the $750 price point. We'll see how it does once the price is $900.

>>736128465
they're probably trying to target the high income giga casuals before and around GTA 6's launch

>>736110552
>and are nearly identically priced
No.

>>736128518
Which will be a good measure of just how much demand they can induce at a $900 price point.

The launch of GTA 6 will be the biggest entertainment launch in history and if Sony can't hit their PS5 Pro sales targets with GTA 6, it'll be a clear message that consumers simply won't buy in at that price point.

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>>736110992
>and games on PC are infested with high level hackers/cheaters that they simply can't get rid of. Paying for online is like paying for a Costco membership, it keeps all the freaks out unlike Walmart.

LOL

>>736128804
rather deal with that occasionally than to deal with RCE exploits

>>736128647
I have a feeling GTA 6 will be the biggest flop ever seen.

People will probably end up getting a low tier pc and still getting a ps6 or xbox depending on who has better exclusives (Ps6 sadly)
Many will have Switch 2s and even Switch’s or a modded 3Ds but the real “loss” will be all the unoptimized slop coming out in the future that won’t be able to run on the consoles well and low tier pcs too

>>736110552
PC wins again

>>736128943
That would be even better for the price of the PS6. If GTA 6 underperforms, it'll scare Sony into being less greedy with the PS6.

>>736118398
>I always said I'd take the same approach my parents did and be totally hands off with it,
being "hands off" now means your kid gets groomed by trannies on discord

>>736111007
But can they run EXCEL??? didn't think so I win bye bye

>>736110552
>Still have ps4
>It never gets played
>Have switch 1
> 12 year old plays it sometimes
>modded wii u
>wife plays it
>desktop
>I play it

I have no need for new consoles.

>>736110992
>and games on PC are infested with high level hackers/cheaters that they simply can't get rid of.
Many console games are full of cheaters these days because of crossplay with Steam/Epic/Windows Store players for online gameplay

>>736110992
>and games on PC are infested with high level hackers/cheaters
Damn, I didn't know single player games were filled with hackers.

>>736119356
if you let your kids on the internet you're a nigger who should be charged with child abuse

>>736110552
Nintendo will never release a $1000 console. Looks like owning a Nintendo console and a toaster tier PC will be the future of gaming. All games will target low specs. Gaming is unironically saved.

>>736129654
They're not going to fuck with your personal shit though if you're on console, also you can turn crossplay off to keep the hackers on the other side of the globe from god knows where from even getting close. They can straight up take control of your PC though and fuck with your personal shit. On top of aimbotting, wallhacks, etc.

>>736129658
If you had any common sense you'd know that it meant multiplayer stuff, but you don't because you're an obtuse faggot.

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>>736129964
literally the only games I can think of where this is an issue is with the older COD games which also have the same problems on consoles + you can just used cilents like plutonium which fixes it

>>736130097
>*you can just use cilents

fug I'm going to bed

>>736130097
Newer and even updated games have issues quite a bit though. You can probably find an RCE problem pretty recently for any big game on PC. I'd just rather not risk my hardware honestly. Some of those CODs are almost straight up malware on PC meanwhile on console they are perfectly fine.

>>736129582
>12 year old
Is she bratty?

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>>736116379
>Most likely just a very extended generation overlap
Over a third of all PSN activity is still from PS4s today
It took almost five years for the "people who logged into their PS5 today" number to finally exceed the "people who logged into their PS4 today"

>>736110552
Personally I don't care. With the Switch 2 essentially just being the Switch again but a little bit stronger and little bit bigger, I'm fine with not having any console at all this generation. I have a PC and everyone else has their phone or laptop. Nobody really plays the Switch we have anyway and nobody here is asking for a PlayStation or an Xbox either.

>>736110552
NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE U.S DOLLARS

>>736120726
4K discs are Blu-Rays

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>>736110992
>year of our lord Todd Howard of 2026
>playing MP games which have patents design to make people spend more money
I only play coop. Haven't found any issue since 2013 when I gave up on competitive MP.

Having said that I believe consoles were good for normalfags and people who only play sports games. I used to recommend XSS for every poorfag who asked me about buying something to play games. I can't recommend anything now.

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>>736110552
sony wasn't fucking around when they said this
you WILL be monetized

>>736110552
>What will be the point of throwing $1000+ on a piece of hardware that can exclusively only play games?
To avoid spending $3000 on a PC that can play the newest games.
>>736110992
The problem with low/mid range builds is what might be good enough this year won't be good enough next year when devs start optimizing for RDNA5.

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These price discussions have made me aware that many people want to play on PC but they elect to play on console as some form "poorfag cope" or something. And thats wild to me. "At that price just get a PC." "Woah, you'd be dumb not to get a PC!". "Basedknee and Nigtenshit driving people to Steam!!".

Like how in the minority am I if I game on a console because I like it, it is something I elect to do. Simple, to the point, won't do anything weird or have issues on the livingroom TV. I'm not gaming on my PS5 Pro because its a "subsidized product for poorfags" or whatever I'm doing it because I want to.

Has this always been the case? No intrinsic love for the console form itself?

>>736110552
>32gb ram 240
>2tb nvme 300,-
>mobo 250,-
>psu 100,-
>good case 100,-
There ya go, 1k
>midrange cpu 250,-
>low end modern gpu 400,-
1500,- for a shit pc and this is assuming you already had a pc, since if you didnt, you dont have a desk, a monitor,mk and desk chair

If you are really new to pc, you'll be looking at at least 2.5k to have a low to mid end build.

This wont play any new shit in 2 years

>>736110552
the next xbox will be medium/high prebeuilt. it will cost $1500 but if you want to build a pc with the same gaming performance in the release year it's gonna set you back $2500

also online will be free since its a pc

>>736128943
Too big to fail I'm afraid.

>>736141325
This is something that is hard to grasp for lots of people here. So what if we like playing games on PS5? PC gaming sucks kind of.

>>736117581
Going outside and playing tag or something

>>736122776
Sony is still on the top, too much that it's become more anti consumer than ever, we need Xbox to sell for Sony to retract their bullshit

>>736110552
Why are console manufacturers so stupid? Every single year they complain about how they are going bankrupt because games are too expensive to make, every year they talk about how children don't buy consoles anymore because they can't afford them and every year they make it all worse by chasing graphical fidelity that their audience doesn't even want. The best selling games look like shit.

I'm now convinced they do this because they are scared that they can't compete with indie games, they need graphical fidelity to sell anything, even if their only audience is retarded top 5 % millenials who only play mobie game. even this doesn't make sense because their money comes for idiots paying to use their own Internet and platform holder fees, both would go up if they had cheaper consoles with worse hardware.

>>736141325
This is almost impossible to understand because PC gaming is so fucking simple it's already almost indistinguishable from console gaming yet everything is free. Steam big picture is just a console.

>>736124518
Given a decent PC and a console for the same price, the PC is definitely the better deal.

>>736144224
for $500 you are gioing to be gaming on an integrated gpu. enjoy 720p 25fps

>>736144493
Still better than the modern console experience

>>736144545
cope

>>736144545
retard

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>>736144493
A couple years ago I got a Xeon kit from AliExpress, an used 2070, and all the other parts, for $400 total. Dunno how things are these days tho.

>>736145269
you can get used consoles for a whole cheaper retard

>>736145393
Those consoles cannot do what a computer can: run all sorts of programs, including various storefronts with their countless giveaways, and emulators for almost every past console or computer ever made.

Hybrid consoles are the future.

Nintendo won

>>736145692
>and emulators for almost every past console or computer ever made.
you can do this on xbox already, and with hte next generation xbox u will be able to do the other 2 things u listed as well

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>>736145698
For portable gaming, I'd rather get some chink 'pocket emulator' system that's way cheaper.

>>736145827
Whatever, I can do it all right now, with the machine I already have and cost a lot less.

Sony just sold their TV business but they're looking to the future of spatial reality displays and they're going to market it along side PS6 cause gaming is currently the only content and gaming was the catalyst for DVD and HDTV. It will eventually replace traditional displays and revolutionize cinema and entertainment but it could take another 20 years and they're afraid of another 3D TV flop

>>736145698
Why are people buying Ps5s then?

>>736110552
The only reason console market worked in first place is because people were too stupid to realize they could've bought a pc

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>>736146982
There was a time when they made sense. Check these PC prices from '96, and remeber a PlayStation cost just $200 then.

>>736146982
They're too stupid to operate a PC, which won't change with the price increase

>>736110552
Any value proposition consoles had has been eroded away
>hardware too expensive
>pay additional fees to use your own internet to play online
>no disc drive unless you pay extra so you're stuck with rip off store pricing
>dynamic store pricing being brought in so you might pay more for a game or DLC because an algorithm said you're an easy mark
>first party controllers are cheap shit sold at a big markup
>big games releases are so few and far between there's not even anything for console warriors to latch on to
People are tuning out. Mainstream gaming is boring as fuck and overpriced in current year

>>736118398
>4chan user is going to be "hands off" when it comes to the internet and his child
Y'all seen /b/ lately? C'mon bro. Raise that kid Amish.

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>>736147831
A PC that could play Everquest cost almost as much as a used car.

3D graphics though, homeslice. Worth it.

They have to die, but don't need to die. All of this could've been prevented.

>>736110552
>What will be the point of throwing $1000+ on a piece of hardware that can exclusively only play games?
That's not going to be the case with the next xbox, it's a PC with a console UX toggle that has Steam and full windows. PS6 they'll have to lean back into exclusivity because even if they eat a loss and sell it at 699 it's not really worth it without strong support.

>>736121015
>there’s room for a new competitor.
LMAO. How long have you been playing games? There is no more room. Three is the maximum number. Add to that, all the devs are overtuning and underoptimizing their games. So releasing a cheaper, underpowered one will be a death sentence. It goes like this

Powerful hardware + high price
>no one will trust this new console enough to buy en masse
Powerful, but cheap
>no experienced company left big enough to eat the losses
Underpowered and cheap:
>"lol the graphics look shit! it barely runs ___"
>"we can't showcase our newesr FC28 in this thing"
Underpowered and expensive
>don't even think about it

>>736121890
>always online bullshit that ruined them
They're not going fully digital without Always Online. Once the majority are digital only, the DRM begins. All these companies are just sitting, waiting, salivating for it to finally happen.

>>736118158
Plex my friend. I only watch pirated stuff on my ps5

>>736122776
Difference is gamers weren't addicts, enslaved by the mentally ill fanboy and social media methamphetamine prison. If a console was bad in that day, most people Noped out. Look at what happened to Sega and Nintendo. It's too late for that now. The world and the way people act are completely different. They are consuming addicts with no standards, no scruples, no dignity, as long as they can go online and be congratulated for buying the new thing. It's over, braaaah.

>>736128804
whats this shit do anyway

>>736122852
>getting conned into FOMO
Yeah, that's not Jewish, anon. If there's a "Jew" in that scenario, it's Sony. You're just the mark.

>>736123312
>Depends how consumers respond to the new $600/$650/$900 price points.
Sony learned all they need to do is to pull the same stunt again next year.

>>736128465
>The PS5 Pro HAS been selling in line with the PS4 Pro...at the $750 price point
And people said it wouldn't. Doubters all over, calling it unprecedented. Just like you're doubting it will at 900. You're an idiot. The fomo levy you're waiting to break, won't, unless everything else around gaming hardware collapses as well.

>>736130203
No shes a good gurl.

>>736130218
consoles full of cronus users nowadays, don't be delusional, kid was asking in target last week if they had cronus bundle and they were like wtf is that