>Fox isn't even a fucking Mario character, and he apparently has more time than fucking Rosalina and at times it feels like it's HIS movieIs Fox Miyamoto's second baby next to Mario? Why doesn't he give Fox more shit?
The last truly great game was star fox 64, OP.Star fox zero was burning trash, OPYou KNOW this, OP.
15 years of internet history and me talking to people who actively made videos about star fox,And the moment they start talking about "what is the appeal of star fox?"Star Fox kinda just shot itself in the foot by being such a casual console friendly experience.It allows people to take so many aspects of what they like about it, especially because it can be played at that casual level endlesslywithout ever engaging with the scoring system Nintendo's deverlopers clearly hoped people would engage with.So you end up wanting more of those characters, the world, the music, the story.Every element that was tacked on to the arcade rail shooter score chasing gameto make it a marketable product was as accessible as the gameplay on a skindeep levelYou can just play Star Fox 64 as a childrens game with little engagement of its deeper elements.That nostalgia gets people attached to all of its art assets and more superficial elements.
>>736113943More shit for Star Fox? Better contract Arzest to make the new game!
Star Fox suffers from the same issue that Character Action games suffer from.CAG's, even dating back to DMC1, bank on the idea of shoving high production value, world building, characters and such,into a narrow interpretation of Beat Em Ups, which eventually snowballed to the point of Platinum Gamestrying their hardest to appeal to casuals who only care about these superficial elements.CAG's are dead. They're going the way of Rail Shooters.It's partially because CAG's tried really hard to have their cake and eat it, too,making for a vague representation of arcade design, but casuals don't care about any of that,so you swim upstream and make them as fancy and expensive as possible, because at the very least the Action RPG elements make them accessible to casuals.Dark Souls pretty much took that appeal completely by being a better RPG, and being affordable enough to make (not even dialogue animations)Star Fox is in that exact dilemma.Yes, I do think players who care about Star Fox the story/characters/world/presentation are just as useless for the survival of the genre as the examples above.Star Fox will never survive trying to represent the casuals who don't actually play it for the score chasing game that it is,because the production value and such cannot undo a complete and utter lack of interest in arcade design that fundamentally exists in its conception
>>736113943I hope the Pikmin's role is more than just a cameo
You could make the best F-Zero/Star Fox/Wave Race game ever, made in its predecessor's image. It would never be enough.Gamers don't have the kind of relationship with replay value that 90's Nintendo/AV made games in mind with.A lot needs to happen culturally to inspire people towards familiarizing themselves with,and even crave an experience rooted in, that context. (arcade design)"I want cheaper, shorter games, with worse graphics, more sustainable development and I'm not kidding."You can't do any of that when the majority of people come from that era of Nintendo fans,who were happy to see Star Fox turn into a Ubisoft Toys-To-Life AssCreed Tower game,or think the only way to save the series is "do what XYZ 3rd Party entry did but betterer and biggerer this time!".You gotta re-introduce missing context in design philosophy and appeal to the average Switch owner.
>>736113943>he apparently has more time than fucking Rosalina and at times it feels like it's HIS movieFucking source on this? I swore he'd just be a cameo and if he seriously has THAT much screentime...
>>736114313>You could make the best F-Zero/Star Fox/Wave Race game ever, made in its predecessor's image. It would never be enough.Those sound really really pleasant actually.
>>736114386>normalfag zoomie turns on perfect star fox 64 2>gets to the end once, no other routes tried, no medals, no scoring>wahhh why was that only one hour long Im going INSANNEEEEE>refunds the game>goes back to playing tranpire shitvors for another seven billion hours
>>736114616simply add a secondary game mode that you can progress by playing the main game mode.The "chao garden" of the game, if you will.
>>736114350People who have seen the movie. Rosalina basically gets kidnapped and Fox shows up around the second half of the movie and sticks around.
Fox has more screentime than Rosalina in the SUPER MARIO GALAXY movie? What the fuck. It's like if humans had more screentime than the Transformers in the Transformers movies. Oh, wait...
>>736115839Sounds fucking amazing. The less we get to hear of Brie Larson, the better.
>>736113943Not only is Fox one of Miyamoto's special boys it is also a matter of public record that he really did not like Rosalina in Galaxy 1.
>>736115974Or humans in the sonic movies>breakaway to dancing sheboon and table of jews talking about their victim complex
>>736113943do they mention the lust penis?
>>736115974>>736116191This implies Fox fucking McCloud isn't cooler than Super Mario.
>>736115974>Fox has more screentime than RosalinaThis is a good thing.
>>736116361Not the point I was making, but I can see why you say that. Can't really think of a similar example though.
It’s not like Rosalina does much in the Galaxy game
>>736116361yeah, furfags are not cool
>Rosalina cucked by a non-Mario character in her own movieKekaroo!
>>736113943>they had so little faith in the movie that they shoved non-Mario characters into it in a desperate attempt to "save" it
>can stick Fox in a completely unrelated movie and make him a major character >can't make a new Star Fox game
>>736114074SF64 is legitimately an incredible game. Aquas was the weakest point for me and that was even good. The sound was perfect too. The interesting effects and amazing soundtrack make elevate it. I literally finished a run today before opening this thread.
>>736113943Let me make it crystal clear for you:NO ANTHROSNO PURCHASE
>>736114074Star Fox Assault was the best and Adventures was good too. But we haven't had a real Star Fox since GameCube already
Why do Star Fags pretend 64 isn't the only good game in the entire series?
>>736117249Anon, the poster reveal came with a rumor that we could be getting TWO new Star Fox games on the horizon. Nintendo clearly needs to introduce a new generation of fans to the character before they take another doomed gamble with another game that would get no hype and die quickly.
>>736113943The problem with Star Fox is he is Miyamoto's favorite cause he made him out of an experiment and religious walks, and Miyamoto only sees Starfox as an experimental thing. If he can't make something experimental, he doesn't want to do it while we all see Starfox as Rail shooter Top Gun. Honestly if it wasn't for Namco and Ubisoft trying stuff with him, the series would be dead along with Fzero (which has same problem of it needing to be an experiment)
>>736117385the first one on snes was good.
>>736116981Neither did Fox
Nintendo wants to make more movies, and if popularity wasn’t an issue Star Fox would be the most sensible thing to adapt. On top of space furries being a pretty easy thing to turn into a cartoon, Star Fox has a cast of real characters with established personalities that have dialogue with each other. Mario, Link, and Samus are all basically mute. Fox is not.The problem with this is that nobody under 30 gives a shit about Star Fox. So put him in a movie people will give a shit about and set up a spin-off.
>>736113943More like why didn't they just make a Starfox movie, that sounds like it'd suit better the medium than Mario.
>>736117360peak homosexual behaviour
>>736113943>Star Fox gets more screentime than RosalinaQrd?
>>736113943It's 100% so they can get people to like him and want to see more of him, which will play into the new Starfox game and maybe a standalone Starfox movie. If that strategy does well expect more cameos in Mario movies to try and build up hype for characters that fell out of the spotlight, like having Captain Falcon show up in a Sunshine movie because why not at this point
>>736118259Star Fox's gameplay is also contextualised to be about a war, which is easier to dramatise. You could even say it's the only first party Nintendo franchise to deal with something approaching a politcal landscape, but that's being very generous.
>>736117692Miyamoto needs to retire or die already. I love what he's done in the past but he hasn't been hands-on with a video game since Ocarina of Time and almost all of his executive decisions in the past 20 years have been awful
>>736118781Wasn't he hands-on with Star Fox Zero?
>>736113943Fox cucked Mario
>>736118579The plot of the film starts with Bowser Jr kidnapping Rosalina and reviewers have said she's gone for much of it as a result. Meanwhile Fox shows up like halfway through and gets meaningful screentime
>>736113943>our furry numbers weren't good enough in the first movie
They want to become DisneyStar Fox is literally a Star Wars ripoffSee where it’s going?
>>736118895He made the executive decision that the gamepad had to be utilized but he wasn't involved in the actual design and production of the game. Miyamoto has been a suit, not a creative, for nearly 30 years
These movies are basically just giant commericals. Fox gets shilled heavily because he's part of a brand that Nintendo thinks has growth potential. Rosalina's will never get her own game or be anything more than a Mario IP so they don't see the point in giving her much screentime
They said Fox wasn't the big reveal of the movie.What was it?
I want this mfer voicing Wolf in the next one.
>>736116045Is this his revenge on Koizumi? Koizumi should make a good paper mario to spite him then and take control of Zelda away from Aonuma while he's at it.
starfox legit only has one good game that they keep repeating over and over.
>>736120197Who's going to voice Andross?
>>736113943Star Fox is a C-List franchise at best.
Im going to watch this just for fox. I hope he’s more than just a cameo.
>>736120748Andy Serkis
>90 min movie>introduces like 10 new characters and there's still the existing ones from the first movie>each given less time for them to shineOh yeah I can see why the movie is bad now.
I thought the 6 minute scene that referenced this comic was a bit too much
>>736120980What was even the fricking point?Like, you could've milked this characters for like more 6 movies and all of them would've made at least a billion.Why waste your whole nut now?
>>736120817Being an N64 launch title disqualifies it from a low rating. Learn the lore, midwit.
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>star fox sneswould be fun if it didn't run at 12 fps. fucking shit game>star fox 64it's fun and that's it.>star fox adventuresit's boring>star fox assaultthe multiplayer is fun and that's it>star fox commandgarbage and cringe>star fox zeroit's fun but it's just a 64 rehashIs this franchise really that praise-worthy? it seems like most of it's fame comes from the characters being broken at smash.
What went so utterly fucking wrong?
>no, mario is the deep storytelling and character development. they fumbled it by making it all about action scenes set to rearrangements of classic mario music
>>736113943They saw the franchise's potential for an animated series more than 10 years ago and are finally getting around to making it happen.youtube.com/watch?v=wA2-0nTxaGgyoutube.com/shorts/vt44hec5Nlg
>>736121298what if like mario, but he faces judgement by all the ruined lives after he gave millions of kids nintendo autism.
>>736121279Nothing, great game
>>736117385That's not us, that's cube trannies. They do this to everything.
>>736121568If they just rehash Top Gun it'll blow tendies minds.
SF64 is literally the only good one. Anyone believing otherwise is delusional.
>>736117365I wouldn't agree with best, not by a longshot. But Assault was good.Why they never tried remaking it is beyond me. A modern iteration of that story would do it wonders.
>>7361212693D Zelda had a grand total of two good games and I don't see anyone whining. 3D Mario had one.
>>736121842>3D Zelda had a grand total of two good games and I don't see anyone whining.so many people were complaining that they had to completely overhaul it into a brand new game with BOTW and aonuma has gaslit himself that every 3D zelda was actually dogshit the whole time, even the ones people still like
>>736121039>You were a lust penisEvery time
The original game would be a lot more tolerable to play if not for the terrible framerate.
>>736120748morgan freeman
>>736121751>>736117365Assault was pretty gud, I like the VA work and the aesthetics, but I don't care for the on-foot missions and lack of branching paths. It does have the best OST in the franchise and I like replaying it every now and then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts64-ItgbLc
I'm happy for Fox but at the same time he is definitely going to get shit on by Rosalinafags because they'll likely blame him for her getting shafted
