Why do people pretend like cloud gaming is going to take over when the speed of light literally prevents it?>B-but muh music! Muh movies and TV!Last time I checked, those don't require near frame perfect button presses and no latency to be used.
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wait is cloud gaming really taking over?
>>736125053People think to seem it is, when the speed of light prevents such a thing from happening.
>>736124105I really dont think cloud gaming is ever gonna take off, the tech exists and is essentially the best it can be today and not many people use it.they're up against the laws of physics with latency, the device in my house will always respond faster than the one in the city 300km away.and none of the subscription models for vidja have unseated steam/buying games, xbox is even running at a loss to try and poach sales and it's not working.I really have no idea what's gonna happen in this space if people cant afford hardware, why would companies rent server space to us when it could generate more investment dollars for AI?Hell, I remember when the Stadia was being demonstrated and they were having severe latency issues, even when the system was literally two feet from the server. Cloud gaming is not going to be a serious thing until they figure out how to break the laws of physics and have instant, literally magic transfer speed.
>>736124105No, that's Bezos ' ketamine-induced pipe dream. Cloud gaming has no potential in the near future since it would require impossible infrastructure for everyone to migrate to it, and there are almost zero benefits to consumers. The only people pushing it as "inevitable" are doomsayers.
>>736124105It works fine for me. I don't know why you'd consider it impossible when online gaming already works, which also requires low latency.
since the steam controller is indefinitely delayed should i get the luna controller instead? I don't really play luna much, but the controller should work for everything and it's on sale.Luna is mostly useful for testing games that I never would have paid money for anyway but I'll play them if they're free. They generally turn out to be shit anyway. Like The new Indiana Jones or Alan Wake 2.
>>736126845>>736125328cope>>736125180extreme cope
>>736126937>It works fine for me. I don't know why you'd consider it impossible when online gaming already works, which also requires low latency.Do you not understand the difference between the input having to go through your device and the input having to travel miles to the nearest data center?>>736127302What's cope about it?
>SPEED OF LIGHTBuild more datacenters>B-BUT WE DONT HAVE THE BANDWIDTHLay more cable>B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT INPUT LAGGenerate frames and content locally after user input, resolve differences between the DLSS6 output and actual game behavior after the key video packet is actually received>B-B-B-BUT THAT SUCKSNot our problem
>>736124105The average retard gladly plays with massive input lag from frame generation x6. Do you honestly think they would notice the latency?
>>736125328You forgot that normis play movie games where latency does not matter
>>736124105>Why do people pretend like cloud gaming is going to take overliterally no one does. the only people shilling it is the companies trying to get people to use it and even then its mostly only microsoft (xbox)
>>736127330No, I don't. Tell me what the difference is. Use numbers and exact figures.
>>736127347>Build more datacentersIt literally doesn't matter how close you are to the data center. It won't fix the speed of light. >Lay more cableIt literally doesn't matter how close you are to the data center. It won't fix the speed of light. The infrastructure is also awful and won't be upgraded any time soon.>Generate frames and content locally after user input, resolve differences between the DLSS6 output and actual game behavior after the key video packet is actually receivedGood luck with artifacts, ghosts, desyncs and inaccuracies.
>>736127472On local hardware, the game processes them almost instantly (often 10–40ms total input-to-screen lag, depending on your display and settings).Cloud gaming on the other hand, even with optimizations (better encoding, edge computing, 5G), this adds extra unavoidable milliseconds from encoding/decoding, compression, network hops, and video streaming. Real-world tests show cloud input lag often landing in the 50–150ms range
I checked and it's not the speed of light but 2/3 of the speed of light is probably good enough for gaming purposes.
>>736124105They're trying to price consumer hardware out of the market so we're forced to rely on streaming services, latency doesn't matter if it's the only option.
I know hating on Cloud Gaming is easy on this board but the reality is that Cloud Gaming is currently extremely good.I can play Black Myth Wukong at 4K 120 FPS with no noticeable input lag on my Steam Deck thanks to GeForce NOW.You're either using the Free Tier, which sucks or your internet/computer isn't fast enough, simple as that.
>>736128126Thanks for the ad shillbot
>>736127674>>736127472>No response after getting BTFO'd Lmao
just design the games around the latency. use a mix of local computing and data center shit to compensate for the lag. normies don't care about twitch reflex shit anyway.
>>736128274I mean that is the ideal solution. We just place a device inside everyone's house that contains an appropriate amount of hardware to ensure that they can run a game at high fidelity with a minimum of latency. It doesn't need to be particularly huge, or as expensive as a huge data center, because it only needs to serve the needs of one person.It would be personal. A computer for the single person. A personal computer if you will
>>736128261If you have good internet connection there is literally no difference other than your own system not being under high load while you play. For me, I couldn't go back after getting used to being able to alt tab from every single game and browse my 200 open tabs on chrome without any slowdowns. Shit's just too convenient.
BUY AN AD JEFF
>>736128756I said thank you shillbot, you can stop now
>>736128835When the facts start to get to you, just call them a shill.
>>736124105Just needs one big mega corporation to install some servers in their warehouses but outside of places like Korea and Japan that have amazing internet and hyperdense populations it's not going to happen.
>>736129150Lies aren't facts
there's this bizarre idea that the world is gonna be on the cloud and that everyone will be able to play everything on the internet, when probably 95% of humanity doesn't have good enough internet to handle that shit, and at least a third of that doesn't even have good internet at all
>>736129254fags aren't people
There's these bizarre freaks who think that video game streaming is a personal affront to them when 95% of humanity doesn't give a fuck what they say, and at least a third of that doesn't even see their shitty posts.
MUH SPEED OF LIGHTholy shit shut the fuck up you sound like retards.
>>736129429>no arguments
I have a prime account which gives me access to Amazon Luna and I can play video games on it just fine. It's far from impossible. I can do it right now. And all you can do here is sit and seethe about the speed of light.
>>736129510It doesn't matter how close you to that data center. The speed of light is simply too slow for the latency that comes from it.
>>736129492That's right, I don't argue with idiots, I just insult them. You are undeserving of any rational dialogue, because you wouldn't comprehend it anyway, being completely retarded an all. I suggest taking an ice cream cone and smashing it all over your face and going to do a handstand in the middle of traffic. You'd look moderately less stupid than you do now.
Edge computing is always more cost effective than cloud computing
>>736129571This isn't making you look any less insecure about your inability to refute what I've said.
>>736129565No you're wrong and stupid. We don't need to engineer faster than light travel to play video games online.
>>736129626You do if you want games with input delay comparable to local hardware, which is physically impossible on cloud computing no matter how many data centers you build and no matter how close you are to them.
has dynamic light yagami found a different form of light to be stupid about?
You will own nothing etc.
>>736129675you can always tell when people are paid shills, because they'll say blatantly wrong shit like this. They're desperately trying to sell their home computers but no one fucking cares we can just play on the cloud. For Free, even. Pathetic wastrels.
>USA tries to build a bajillion data centers >component prices skyrocket>millions shillbots come online to steer the narrative towards centralized computingIt's all so tiresome
>>736129675>even if you lived next to the amazon warehouse it couldn't be faster okay it just could okay you have to listen to me I didn't waste my money on a $5000 PC that any idiot with a cellphone can now replicate okay It's the science you have to trust the science and eat your vaccines and mutilate your genitals you cannot argue with science okay
>>736129918>We're now doing flat out reality denial.
STOP YOU CAN'T SAY CLOUD COMPUTING IS PLAYABLE IT'S UNPLAYABLE YOU CAN'T FUCKING SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE DO IT EVERY DAY YOU NEED TO GET FREE SPEECH BANNED
>>736129997Continue ignoring the point.
>Quality settings are locked. Don't worry, graphical settings are already optimized for the benefit of all players!>DLSS 5: On>Frame generation: On>Lumen Global Illumination: On>Motion blur: On
>>736130038Don't worry about it man. The rest of us can tell he's being stupid on purpose.
>>736124105It doesn't have to be perfect for normies to eat it up and enthusiasts who care to stop being supported. Don't believe me? Go buy a new plasma screen or CRT, the only screens with 0ms latency.
For normies, I imagine the feature list of stuff like Amazon Luna is pretty compelling. Play anywhere, with no hardware restrictions. It's mostly mass appeal trash that they love such as Hogwarts Legacy. It comes with Amazon Prime which you probably have anyway for other reasons. Sounds like you can even run multiplayer shooters on it without much issue aside from occasional slowdown but that happens on every PC.I naturally need my own computer by my interests are niche and can't be found on Amazon Luna but I'm far from a mainstream individual. Luna does give me free GoG games though. I just got Veil of Darkness from them!
Are they trying to make Google Stadia a thing again?
lmao why even make this thread, most of the "gamers" here are so fucking sheltered they don't even know amazon has a cloud games divisonbut yeah there's a shill force of millions who won't shut up about it constantly. whatever you say, retard.
>>736130953We aren't normies or third worlders.
>>736131097sure you aren't
>>736128395Just came here to say that I appreciate your post. Very nice.
