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What are some (((actually))) difficult games?

Hard Mode: no shmups or kaizo mario rom hacks
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i struggled quite a bit with Castlevania 3 american version
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>>736153252
IF A TWITCH WHORE OR A JEWTUBER HAS BEATEN THE GAME

IT IS NOT DIFFICULT
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>>736153252
Victorious Boxers is not a hard game. It just has really bad controls.
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>>736154210
It's actually the single best control scheme in all of boxing games. Post hard mode clears. I'm sure you had absolutely no issues with Jason Ozuma and you definitely beat Date Eiji and didnt take the easy way out
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>>736153252
low iq reflex-based games aren't
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>>736153252
ENTER
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>>736154791
I was just playing Heavy Rain yesterday and it also has an issue with QTE prompts going offscreen. Don't think that counts as making it a hard game though. Just a crap one.
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>>736153252
Crash and Victorious aren't hard games. Sekiro and Mushihime Sama are. Nu-nja Gaiden are not hard games. Bayonetta is mid-hard like Dark Souls. DMC 3 requires more coordination and definitely is a "hard game" due to requiring a lot of button smashing. Dark Souls 1 suffers from bad game design elements that make it boring that cause it to become "hard." (Its 3D castlevania literally.)
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>>736154727
Post hard games then
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>parryslop
>hard
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>>736154901
>has an issue
You mean feature.
Git Gud
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Arguing about what game is the hardest is the most fucking boring dimwit shit there is, making a game hard is ironically not difficult, there's so many bullshit hard games out there not worth anybody's time.
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>>736154097
I haven't even been able to beat Castlevania the first, I'm a fake gamer
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>>736153252
DMC 3 was hard because it just tested your patience a lot of the time. Bosses in DMC 3 have way too much health with annoying gimmicks mixed in just to pad out the game.
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>>736154565
>>736154970
Victorious Boxers has some of the most insane bosses ever.
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OG Far Cry had five difficulties, I played on the third one and that was already brutal, I can't imagine what the hardest difficulty is like.
Granted this was with the last official patch which breaks some stuff in the enemy AI's favor like them having crazy far vision and being able to see through tents.
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>>736153252
infinite climax bayonetta 1 gave me blisters on my trigger finger. it's the only game to ever do that. glorious and gracious can suck a cock.
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>>736153252
>>736154210
>>736154565
Ricardo made quick work of the BITCH of naniwa. Fuck sendo
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>>736153252
Gradius V
Saidaioujou
God hand
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Megaman Zero games are kind of hard I'd say
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>>736153252
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The answer is shinobi on ps2. No, if you cheesed it with joe you didn't beat the game.
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>>736157445
>if you cheesed it you didn't beat it
false
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The problem with Sekiro is that it's not hard after the first playthrough. You're never going to have trouble with the boss patterns once you learn them once because of how rigid the parry system is.
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>>736157490
>dude just strip out a major game mechanic to reduce the challenge lmao
no
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>>736157537
Not true. Also if it was true, you'd be able to show us you've beaten all the boss rushes
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>>736157584
If you have to artificially hold yourself back to play the game you're not really playing the game, you're role playing
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>If you have to artificially hold yourself back to play the game you're not really playing the game, you're role playing
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>>736153252
Beat all of those on the left also Sekiro and Crash.

God Hand is harder than all of those.
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>>736157857
God Hand is really hard, I forgot to add it.
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>>736153252
>filename
Incel spotted
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>>736153252
Sekiro is easier than Bayonetta NSIC Platinum. But Bayonetta on Normal is way easier than Sekiro, yes.
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>>736155113
It's pretty smooth sailing up until death, and then if you don't want to learn the fight I recommend just keeping holy water and then raping him with it.
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>>736157537
>You're never going to have trouble with the boss patterns once you learn them
So you're saying it's not as hard once you get better at it.
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>>736153252
Putting Dark Souls in the same arena as the other three games is a little much. It's SIGNIFICANTLY easier than the others let alone not needing any sort of mastery for top ranks.
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>>736159032
Dark Souls builds the difficulty into the game. The equivalent of beating Ninja Gaiden on Master Ninja would be beating Dark Souls 1 on NG+6 barehanded at level 1. A feat much harder than Ninja Gaiden
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>>736159178
>NG+6 barehanded at level 1
You can beat Ninja Gaiden upside down hitting the buttons with your nose while the sound is muted. That should be harder than the same made up rules for Dark Souls.
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>>736159504
If were talking base difficulty clears, DS is significantly harder.

In Ninja Gaiden you can literally just go to the final boss with like 2 Ninpo refills and mash X+Y 10 times and win. Even with a poise build in DS you actually have to fight the boss a bit.
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Gothic. Not exactly hard, but good luck fighting the controls, enduring the jank, trying to kill anything at the start, and paying people to teach you any skills. Fuck piranha byte games in general.
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>>736153252
Ghosts n Goblins games are legitimately hard.
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I will NOT tolerate this sendo slander
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This is probably the hardest game I've ever played, but still enjoyed. Rhythm game that makes use of the pressure sensitive buttons. The game includes a kids mode that simplifies things, but is still very difficult.
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>>736153252
N-Sane Trilogy isn't hard it's just bad because they fucked up the physics

FINALLY A GOOD CAPTCHA HOLY SHIT
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Esport games are the only true difficulty. or arcade stuff that require lightning fast reflex like rhythm stuff
This whole list is artificial slow garbage based on trial and error with 0 ceilling
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>>736161819
Strategy and puzzle games can be brutally difficult. Dexterity isn't the only form of difficulty



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