What causes this phenomenon?
>>736156956Inferiority complex
>>736156956Terminal insecurity. Sometimes they get uppity and dox themselves here.
>>736156956Name 5 games where this happens
>>736156956nonexistent
>>736156956It's the other way around
>>736156956>still seething over seamless cooplmao
>entire thread making fun of dragonirianits been years lol
>>736157048People saying "I like this game but ooooh the pvp oooh the pvp" is something I've seen in just about every multiplayer vidya discussion ever. Here's an example I just saw in the /vg/ Deadlock thread. There was also the drama with Arc Raiders and PVE fans crying about other people using the PVP capacity of the game. There was also how people were begging for Overwatch to have a story mode for years on end and then the PVE content they got was pure ass.
>>736156956You vermin ruin fun and progression by trying to shove your gay elitist MLG balancing where it doesn't fucking belong.PvEfags have never once demanded a fun bug get patched. Ever.
>>736157048>>736156956Warframe.
>>736156956PVE living rent free in PVPfags heads
>>736156956Other way around, you should see the seething PvE creates on the warhammer online server
>>736157254>patches out all of the fun anywaysOops
>>736157078Yep, especially in mmos that have both pve and pvp components , everything is ruined by pvpers
>>736157293PVE always causes seething from malcontents.
>>736157048Overwatch
>>736156956People who exclusively play coop and singeplayer can't handle a real chance of losing. They get bent over by humans in pvp games and start fantasizing about what if they were brainless bots instead
>>736157048RuneScape and WoW are two big ones.
>>736157254>>736157293>>736157328>>736157339proving OPs point lol
>>736157242>There was also how people were begging for Overwatch to have a story mode for years on end and then the PVE content they got was pure assThey sold the sequel purely on (false) promises of it having a co-op mode and the seasonal PvEvents were well liked
>>736157434OP is a retarded brony who cares lol. I'm sure someone will post the webm of him getting jobbed in ER pvp soon.
>>736156956>game patches itself into garbage to appeal to the PVP audience>PVE has to complygee i wonder why
>>736157270Warframes pvp is utter dogshit thoughSo few people actually use it they made 2 pve modes utilising the pvp maps
>>736157434>BTFO'ing the OP is uhm, akshually it makes him correct
>>736156956Usually the reason for that is lazy devs that balance their pvpve game around pvp, without bothering to give the nerfs/changes a conditional "when used against players" modifier.So things that were fine in pve become bad because of pvp and the shit flinging starts.
>>736156956Farmer-raider dynamics
>>736157430In WoW, over leveled randoms gank lew level newbies all the time so it ain't surprising that PvEfags hate PvPfags.
>>736157480>NOOOO YOU CANT PATCH A GAME FOR THEM ONLY ME ME MEwhy are PVE fags like this
>>736156956it's actually the opposite. PvP players fight extremely hard against a PvE mode being added to their game because it means all the casual players they enjoy shitting on all day won't be in their games any more and they have to fight other sweats. e.g. Arc Raiders
>>736157519>saying "no u" is uhm akshually BTFO'ing someone
>>736157461The seasonal PVE events were well liked but they were just walking down a hallway and shooting brainless bullet sponges
>>736157048Marathon, Sea of Thieves, Ark Rivals, or other PVPVE shit gamesAnd the order of event is always the same>People that enjoy PVE don't like PVP because they treat it as a coop or single player game>PVPVEfags love PVE players since they're easy kills and they only care about winning and don't want to actually compete>PVE players ask for a server without PVP>PVPVEfags go nuclear saying it will kill the game>PVE servers get added>PVE guys people have fun>PVP guys keep playing as normal against people of their skill level>PVPVEfags keep seething and slowly leave because they have to actually play the game
>>736157434pvper are the ones that screech and shit their pants about pvers " UHH YOU JUST PLAY AGAINST SCRIPTED FIGHTS" they always talk the most shit and seethe that their group dwindles to nothing
>>736157612For Honor is my favorite game and I didn't mind the addition of the pve arcade mode, I still only play the pvp modes though.
nothing feels the hole anymore after you expierienced peak world of warcraft arena pvp
i've seen plenty of times when a new game is announced and people say they won't play it because its pvp.Never seen someone say the same for a single player game.
>>736157603>>NOOOO YOU CANT PATCH A GAME FOR THEM ONLY ME ME METhat's the thing, they don't need to make patches for me at all, just make the changes affect pvp only.
Lmao wut? I’ve never ever seen a PvE fag come up with a pejorative for someone who plays PvP but the opposite happens all the time. Don’t you have someone to be doxxing and swatting for killing you in the video game?
>>736156956Bait: everyone knows it is the other way around.
PVPfags don't want PVP. They want free kills.If you wanted PVP, you'd be playing unreal tournament or something along those lines.
>>736157897pvp chuds enjoy events where the pvp is against ai because then they can squeeze in easy achievements and never look back
>>736156956It’s the other way around + the pvp fag ends up blowing their brains out down the line or trooning out (or both) when they realized they wasted their entire youth seething at some slop like league of legends
>PvPkeks acting like victims>AgainHilarious
>>736157935I have a 50% winrate in games that I have dozens or hundreds of hours on
>>736157971Its like they have a terminal insecurity or something.
>>736157473>OP is some guy I made up and been obsessed with for years, I'm sure my meds will stop working soon and I will post the webm soon
>>736157491It isn't bad though.
>>736157973Ok, cool.
Notice how PVE gamers have turned this into hating the players when OP was talking about hating the games
>>736157612>PvP players fight extremely hard against a PvE modeNo I don't, stop making up things in your head to be upset about. >Arc RaidersCasual babby game.
>>736157771>>PVPVEfags go nuclear saying it will kill the gameThey were right in SoT case
>>736158015nah, op is just dragonirian. He's getting made fun of on /vg/ rn too.
>>736158035Yeah they all came into the thread to seethe and scream no u. the copage is strong.
>>736158035>gifThis designates a chatbot, which is why gif use exploded in use in the last 2 years despite a near decade of webm domination, and even after mp4 compatibility
>>736158024Your entire point kind of collapses under the fact that in the majority of pvp games "free kills" isn't possible without smurfing
>>736156956Some of it is fragile egos that don't want to have to deal with being bested by a better man.That said, most of it is just because PvP is dogshit in practically every game. I remember my shameful phase being a roamer in Guild Wars 2 WordVsWord (basically open world PvP), and I would purposefully avoid using the most powerful builds because that just means you can't be defeated in a duel. And that's boring. So I'd play something more classy and normal, and then I'd get my day ruined by some faggot who decides to stalk me using the most powerful build and being impossible to kill. And if I were to switch to the most powerful build - we'd just infinitely fight each other and never be able to win or lose. And if I decide to wrap it up and go away because this isn't going anywhere, the low IQ brazilian "hardcore PvPer" will chase after me so he can not kill me for another 20 minutes until his favella internet breaks and saves me from my torment.Fuck PvP, it's dogshit. 99.999% of all PvPers are scum, and the occasional high skill dignified duelist you meet and have some great fights and mechanics-based discussions with isn't worth wading through the ocean of scum.
>every time a new multiplayer game is revealed the board hates it and call it live service FOTM flop>the board never does this for PVE games>UHHHHHH ACKUALLY ITS YOU PVPERS WHO ARE DOING THIS!!!!!!!! NOT US WE NEVER COMPLAIN Why do they always do this
>>736158080>/vg/ trannies invented a boogeymanAnd this is proof of what, besides their mental illness (already evident by them posting on /vg/)
>>736156956Rampant cheating. Dogshit netcode. Causals having to play against no life losers.
>>736158089It's a gif because someone else uploaded it as a gif on basedbooru and I downloaded it as that. I've got no reason to turn it into a 2 second mp4
>>736158018Yes it is, conclave mods are gay and stupid, lunaro even sucks fat cocks
>>736157254>PvEfags have never once demanded a fun bug get patchedAnd by fun bug you probably mean an exploit that trivializes some challenge. They have, you just pretend like they don't exist cause that's simpler.
Some people genuinely can't handle the ego check of being outplayed by another player and it causes them to lash out. I've legit heard people call playing pvp a "humiliation ritual". I can't imagine how fragile your mental has to be to think like that.
>>736157270Warframe got PVP???
>>736158142Not a big deal broski.
>>736158139>every time a new FOTM flop gets revealed it gets called FOTM flop>the board never does it for good games>AAAAH I HATE PVEFAGS
>>736158204>implying every multiplayer game is inherently bad>implying every singleplayer game is inherently goodProving his point
>>736158089Huh, that does explain why gifs came back
>>736158161So you're legit retarded? Good to know
>>736158254>implyingStating the obvious
>>736158276Explain to me why I should take the time to turn chud rotating.gif into a webm
>>736158312Still proving his and OP's point
>>736156956I remember in WoW, people used to roll in he BIG GUILD servers hoping they'd get carried by said guilds through the end-game. Except those servers usually ended up being PvP servers, meaning you can get attacked by other players in the overworld.Naturally, PvE-exclusive players would get butthurt when they get murked by a random rogue at 20% hp in the middle of their leveling or farming sessions.
>>736158197ConclaveLiterally nobody plays conclave so you aren't missing anything other than queing for 20 mins
>>736156956>Flips an objectively true meme 180>What causes this fictional phenomenon? I dunno, some retard likes to play make believe I suppose?
>>736158520>I would play this game but it's singleplayerSaid no one ever
>>736157270But that's the opposite of OPs bait pic. Warframe pvpers sperged so hard they absolutely nuked any chance there will be any form of pvp in the game again.
>>736157430in Runescape aren't there like quests where you're forced to go into PvP areas to do shit? I'd hate that shit too seems asinine as fuck
>>736158574Lmao, nu-PVPfags ignore fuckloads of great singleplayer games. What are you talking about?Go ahead and try getting a 'modern gamer' to play Deus Ex, kek.
>>736158101PVPVE is full of free kills.
>>736158664That's cool but I'm talking about PVP games
>>736158646In osrs the pvp zone is largely dead but consists mostly of subhumans either content creators or actual third world bot farms
>>736158647They don't generally go out of their way to announce to everyone that they're avoiding a specific game on the principle that they don't get to fight other people
>>736157935nobody plays ut anymore
>>736158750>consists mostly of subhumans either content creators or actual third world bot farmsThat's all PvP everywhere busta
>>736158850They fucking should. It's still awesome.
>>736158805>They don't generally go out of their way to announce to everyone that they're avoiding a specific game on the principle that they don't get to fight other peopleYes they do. They throw massive bitchfits whenever a game adds a PvE mode.
>>736158089how would you make a webm that loops forever
>>736158942No one cried when Overwatch added pve events or when For Honor added arcade mode or when Marvel Rivals added the zombies mode
>>736156956this doesnt exist
>>736159030>No one cried when Overwatch added pve eventsOverwatch is not a PVPVE game, retard.
>>736158035But that's Player versus Player in action
glowie civil division thread
>>736159065I'm OP and I wasn't talking about PVPVE dipshit
>>736156956>making a thread to let everyone know how much you don’t care about a thingMethinks the PVPtroon doth protest too much.
>>736159193I made the thread to let everyone know that singleplayer fans constantly crying about the existence of pvp rustles my jimmies
>>736159230no one does this, you just have a persecution complex
>>736157048elden ring
>>736159265This thread is full of it
>>736159275Sorry, I didn't read the OP correctly, I thought it was the PvPtards seething that's why I named Elden Ring
>>736159087
>>736159230The only thing that singleplayer chads are done is laughing their asses off at how many multiplayerslop flops there are nowadays.We get to enjoy singleplayer games dating back before the 90's and you can't even play games made a year ago. Lol.
I thought the point I was trying to make was clear but it would seem that everyone else read it as this>>736159403I've mentioned it a few times already itt but I play For Honor, which is nine years old
>>736156956Just release less bad multiplayer games, and stop turning games that weren’t multiplayer into multiplayer games.
>>736159542I don't hate singleplayer games as a whole because ubisoft, gacha, and earthbound inspired rpgs about depression exist
>>736159529>I've mentioned it a few times already itt but I play For Honor, which is nine years oldNo you don't.
>>736159529Holy cope
>>736156956PVP fags are having no reactions because they're autistic and their fixation is the game they play. They don't care about that game that much either as long as they win.I think most Fighting game players would probably forget the characters' names if they weren't on the select screen, to them it's just kits for players to use.
pvp and pve should be seprate from each otheri say this as a avid PVPer the last thing i want is to have to interact with high end PVE content that needs a group so that I'm viable in PVP solo or in a groupi fucking hate classic wow because of it
>>736159193>making a thread to let everyone know how much you don’t care about a thingThere are thousands of threads of PVE fags doing that for any new multiplayer game lol
>>736158894Question- if Epic games made a UT mode for fortnite would you play it?All the same guns you know and love but its with the goofy ass fortnite art style and cosmetics
>>736159781>UTUnderTail!?Fuck YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Genuine PvPfags are no longer part of this discussion, as they've all moved on to dedicated competitive games. What we're left with are the subhuman filth who NEED to be able to trounce lowbies and unprepared noobs. These are not pvpfags, they're just faggots. And you've lost.Fact is, if you genuinely care about competition then you're not playing something where PvE'ers can ruin your fun. Because all these games are not remotely balanced in the least.
>>736159712Crazy projection from people who only know vidya characters from memes and osmosis
>>736159924Why can't any of you grasp that I'm talking about the discourse around dedicated pve and dedicated pvp games and not pvpve games
>>736157575>all the timeI only play on pvp servers and played since vanilla and have around 20-30 max level characters, "all the time" equates to a handful of times in 20 years, pve faggots are just so fucking PTSD ridden after being ganked once that it haunts them foreveralso, you're ignoring the fact that in WoW, they can just go play on pve servers and not have to pvp at all ever, they CHOOSE to go on pvp servers and complain when pvp happens, despite being catered to with pvp-disabled servers being available from the outset
>>736160249PVE players literally never talk about PVP-exclusive games while the reverse is not the case. PVP players always throw a bitchfit about there not being a L33T gamer PVP mode.
>>736159324>retard doesn't know elden ring has pvp
>>736160249Because they're disingenuous faggots, many such cases among the PvE crowd.
In my experience it tends to be the PvP people who throw a shitfit if their dick measuring contests are in any way interrupted via PvE. Case in point, streamers having melties over the AI enemies butting in on fights in Marathon.
>>736160301You're living in a fantasy realm. No one is begging for The Witcher to have a pvp mode
>>736160315Oh I know, the PvPfags still haven't stopped bitching about it and how fromsoft "abandoned them"
>>736160369>>736160249
>>736160249Why would PvE'ers care to bitch about dedicated PvP games? You're genuinely retarded.
>>736160430I don't think that is a thing at all. No one who plays singleplayer games is mad that counter-strike exists.
>>736156956I think the problem is like Total War: Warhammer 3 where I would say a solid 85-90% of the playerbase plays single player vs the AI in campaigns, and 10-15% of the community plays exclusively multiplayer battles vs other players.In TWWH3 unit balance is done almost exclusively for PvP. Units that are okay/fine in PvE become garbage after they get nerfed because they were just dominating some "tournament" with a $2000 prize pool. Or, units that are OP in single player never get balanced because they're expensive and slow in multiplayer, and then you watch as the AI spams 20 of them at you.It is really hard to balance a game for PvE and PvP.
>>736160412all i ever hear about that game is pve players complaining about pvp players and their bleed weapons
>>736160369Why is every post ITT saying "well PvPfags do this and that's bad" talking about a streamer and marathon or arc raiders?
>>736156956It's literally the opposite though.>"I'm a game where you play against NPCs">"WHERE THE FUCK IS THE PVP? HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO ENJOY THIS WITHOUT KILLING OTHER PLAYERS? THIS IS SHIT!"
>>736157048Dune Awakening. It's kind of built like Rust, but despite PvE fags having their own area, they complained about the PvP area until half of it was turned into PvE. A lot of people quit when they did that. I hate PvE fags so much.
>>736160375>No one is begging for The Witcher to have a pvp modeYes they did with Gwent, then when CDPR did the (utterly correct) decision to rework the game so that it can work as a PvP game and not be absolute dogshit everyone cried that it's not the same braindead botstomp as W3 GwentBut I don't think that was a PvEfag or PvPfag doing, I think that was just normalniggers being retards
>>736160645>Why are people mentioning people who play PvP games and what they do in those games when the topic of the discussion is how the players of PvP and PvE games act?A real mind-boggler, that one.
>>736159275Sorry but I don't want to waste hours of my life chasing around some retard who refuses to fight me unless there's a mob of enemies or tries to snipe me from afar
>>736160746>PvPfags have half the map to themselves>NOOO WE NEED MORE THE ENTIRE GAME HAS TO BE PVP FUCK PVEWho's the one crying
>>736160812I actually liked the standalone gwent
>>736156956Let’s be real here. This negro is a chicken dicked hick that gets hit in his sick shit. Totally built different. But that NIGGA is ate with NO crumbs. So that being said, let’s commence the enfuckening of OP’s clammy boysnatch. OP got out of pocket but I’m here to school this crabcatcher with or without his pubes intact. What can we say about OP? HE IS THE FANCIFUL, PLUMP KEK MULLIGAN that is resigned to fuck his brother or the ocean, his great, sweet mother.
arc raider redditors have a weird attitude towards pvp players, genuinely unhinged group of people
>>736157048souls games, make a thread about invasions or something and watch the seethe roll in
>>736156956PVE is usually harder, some raids could take weeks to learn. PVP is situational but also requires high skills.PVPers make the best PVErs but once they taste the fruit of PVE they usually never go back.
>>736160875Very strange because they did it right in conan exiles where you can choose to only have pvp at certain times on a server, pvp players get to eat and pve focused players can just go to another server where it isn't pvp time (or stick to a purely pve server)
PVEers be like>uhhhh actually its the opposite!!!!
>>736160817>i dont play games only watch themVery common among the PvE crowd
>>736160875Nice strawman. Never asked for more. I was fine with it before being half-half. Now its 75% PvE and 25% PvP. PvE players cried about it until it got changed. And it killed off a lot of the population.
>>736160746Sounds like it's the devs being retarded instead of making PVE servers.It also sound like a shit game in the first place
>>736157048The World when PKers appeared.
>>736158167No, it isn't.>>736158197Yes, it has a small but dedicated pool of players. It's to the left of your arsenal.
>>736161020Yes, a very astute observation from you that those who play PvE games generally tend not to play PvP games. I can see your gamer instincts honed by years of PvP serve you well.
>>736156956I prefer PVE, but I still like PVP games.What I hate about a lot of modern PVP games, is taht they always want you to gamble away your progress, or buy keys to lootboxes, or experience some kind of loss, so you keep gambling and playing. I don't like that, so I'm not going to play it.If you like it, that's alright.
>>736158584Wrong. Pvefags got rightfully kept from accessing pvp rewards via pve and they're still seething about it. You mention pvp and all of reddit starts seething saying to delete it or spamming the singular joke they have over and over. pvp players just want to enjoy their game mode and get it balanced.
>>736160995>PVPers make the best PVErs but once they taste the fruit of PVE they usually never go back.My experience is very different.PVPers usually have PVP metas and playstyles so incredibly ingrained into their psyche that PVE becomes nearly impossible for them, because whatever they know to be "busted" in PVP is usually mediocre in PVE.That and they almost always need to be (and demand to be) carried through all PVE content.
>>736161205It took 148 posts for a pve friend to understand was OP was about and have actual counterpoints instead of namecalling and "n-no u"
>>736161324understand what*Oopsies
>>736161195I just said PvErs don't play games, they watch streamers play fotmslop, you don't need to reply to me to say the same thing.
>>736156956We all know this is a lie. Anytime there is a PvE game, PvP faggots complain how there should be PvP in some way.
>>736161439I have yet to see someone say that Crimson Desert or DRG should have pvp
>>736156956It do be like that. I remember seeing actual death threats towards people who'd express their desire for a perma pvp flagged new world server. Just them having their own server off to themselves was a great offense to the pve base.
>>736161085>Sounds like it's the devs being retarded instead of making PVE servers.They are retarded, but so are the PvE players. They should do like the other guy said with Conan Exiles. Or just make entirely PvE dedicated servers and leave the PvP ones as is. I don't know why they haven't done that yet.>It also sound like a shit game in the first placeIt's open world survival slop. I like my survival slop but I know most don't.
>>736156956PvPniggers projecting hard as usual
>>736161568>namecalling and "n-no u"
>>736156956>FUCK YOU PVPFAGS I HATE YOU AND HOPE YOU DIE THAT IMAGE IS WRONG THAT'S YOU WHO WANTS ME TO DIE FUCK YOU DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>736156956>insufferable PVP-fags once again have to lie and gaslight everyone into making us think it's the other sideyou won't fool me retards. I've seen the pvp "discussions" in the souls threads. You're below subhumans.
>>736161738>>736160249Tapping the sign
>>736161568This. From Software has the worst PvPfag crowd imaginable.
PVE fags just going to spam no u all day
>>736160746>Funcom GAAS sloppaJust end yourself at this point
Getting really good at pvp then playing a new character to crush noobs in lower tiered matches feels so damn good.You just dont know how it is winning 1v4.I felt like a god. My dick so hard.
>>736161902I remember some faggot getting called out for being a twinking pajeet some months ago since it was obvious from his clips that he was only going against new players. We then proceeded to have that schizo scream in every single souls thread for weeks before he propably got tired.Wish I could say this was a one-time. PvP fags dont want to fight other PvP players. They want to stomp on easy prey and use every disgusting cheese for it including tanking their MMR or twinking.
PVPfags gonna shitpost all day thinking they deserve a proper discussion with a completly dishonest bait OP
>>736157771More like PvP chads leave for other competitive games. PvE fags get bored and leave. And the studio wonders why everyone abandoned their game after they gutted it.
Swtor PvP and PvE is the most fub I've had in an mmo.
I wouldn't mind PVP if the gear was the same for both partiesIt's niggerish to gank PVE geared player minding their business with arena pvp gear
>>736156956The reason this is upsetting is that when a game has both, the game has to be balanced around PvP, and that tends to mean scaling everything to be lame rather than awesome.>Can I grab the enemy and throw them at another enemy>"no, thats not balanced for PvP, so we dont have that in the game at all"Stuff like that is the result of PvP. Balance is inherently anti fun.
>>736157320I hope we will get to see more DD and Slay the Spire style games without rogue-lite elements and brutal difficulty. I really like the gameplay and mood of those games, but don't want to engage with perma death and shit
>>736162084>everyone disagreeing with me is bait>>736159606This might have been the strangest clapback I've seen on this site
>>736162097>More like PvP chads leave for other competitive gamesPvPchuds don't give a fuck about competition. They want to shit on noobs with impunity, and whenever a game stops them from doing that they cry and shit and piss before moving to another game
>>736157048>>736157056Fo76 (when there were still players)Black Desert onlineOSRS wayyy back but that was so long ago I have no idea anymore
>>736162359The post right above you is someone showing off a 53% winrate over the course of over three thousand hours
>>736162003I've beaten 2v30+ with minimal gear differenceI am THE support
>>736161501People asked for it in DRG, I have no clue about Crimson cause that game sorta just released
>>736162423the rare exception proves the rule
>>736162525You play against bots because they're brainless and can't provide a real challenge
>>736156956In Tarkov this is the exact opposite.
>>736162617You stomp noobs because you can't handle the competition you supposedly crave
>>736162687The matchmaking algorithm places me against people at my own skill level and I win against them half of the time. You play games where you're supposed to win 90% of the time
>>736161242>pick rhino>pick tigris prime>win pvpwow, very fun gamemode
>>736162772You tell lies on the internet because you shit yourself when faced with anything but a complete beginner
>>736160642PvE players stopped complaining years ago once the seamless coop mod came out. PvP players are now the ones whining constantly because seamless' existence lowers the amount of people they can stomp.
>>736160746D:A is the worst example in modern history where it was nothing but ganking people who couldn't even fight back. And that's why you can't have nice things.
>>736162858The vast majority of modern pvp games have engagement or skill based matchmaking systems that make you lose half of the time. There is no play against noobs button other than smurfing which is against the rules in all of them. This isn't some obscure conspiracy theory
>>736162097Why would PVPfags leave? The PVPVE servers are still there, the only difference is that all the noobs are gone.Oh wait, that's why, they have to compete against players that fight back now.
>>736163175>Why would PVPfags leave?No free kills, no "PVP".
>>736163175>>736163245Explain the existence of purely pvp games where you don't get to stomp noobs without making a new account
One only needs to look at the discourse that was had (and is still probably ongoing) about Helldivers 2 not having PvP to see that the OP assertation is completely backwards.
>>736162070/thread
>>736157048I refuse to play Albion Online because the endgame is PVP-centric.
>>736163316>Explain a different genre existing that neither of these two groups of people are willing to play
>>736163316Simple, the people that play PVP games are actual gamers, the fags that play PVP in PVPVE games are subhumans with no skillsThough really the biggest problem is that PVPVE games suck by design so it attack the worst people
>>736163430You're the one talking about a different genre than what OP was about
>>736163430>pvp players dont play pvp gamesThat's just pve players, evident from their numerous claims of stream watching.>>736163563See above. Not sure why you're trying to pretend people only play one or the other but that's just pveonlies.
Killing PVEers and taking their loot after they finish a long hard battle.
>>736163704>bots>hard
>>736157169I don't get it. I played seamless coop with two friends and we got plenty invasions. They were pretty fun too.We had helpful reds that backstabbed us in the end, or invasions during bosses, most invaders waiting until the boss is down and then engaging in duels. Barely a difference to normal play.
>>736162798maybe if you're in rc. Tigris got fixed forever ago and iron skin is easy to break.
fixed
>>736163740For PVErs AI enemies are quite difficult and require much strategizing
>>736157430No they aren't. That's a different situation from the OP pic. They're not explicitly PvE or PvP games, causing the two camps to be playing the single game together, and it's why they're arguing so hard.
>>736163316>Explain the existence of purely pvp games where you don't get to stomp noobs without making a new accountYou mean games where exactly that is fucking common to the point THAT IT HAS A NAMEHAVE YOU SERIOUSLY NEVER HEARD OF SMURFINGYOU DUMB FUCK
>>736157771if the losses are minimal but the winnings are great, then even pvefags will engage happily in PvP.
>>736164113Now we pretend pvp games are entirely populated by noobs and smurfs because that makes sense in my little smooth pve brain
>>736164113Anon I was talking about smurfing. Show me the pvp game where you can stomp noobs without cheating
>>736163853Sea of Thieves
>>736164143True, one of the biggest problem with PVPVE games is that they're built to take away everything you worked for in an instant.Runescape figured out how to do it right decades ago but somehow modern devs still can't figure it out
>PvP games take real skill
>>736157048RuneScapeHaha just kidding. PvP fans in the game are literally cancer that ruined it for everyone else like 2 dozen times over
>>736164657what is that?
>>736156956PVE players are low test. There isn't anything else to say about it, really. Testosterone drives competition.
>>736164657What the fuck am I even looking at, I know auto aim on controllers is a thing but what is the device he is using and why does it have different modes?
>>736164657They did before capitalists realized it was more profitable to hand shitters a free aimbot.
>>736165031Cronus Zen, a hardware plugin that runs scripts for your controller. It can completely negate recoil, give you perfect crouch/sidestep spam in one button and, as seen there, give you near aimbot levels of aim assistance on top of any already existing aim assistance provided by the game. And all this is impossible to detect because it is just running hardware scripts with no modification of software.
>>736165031>>736165149>browns low key asking where they can buy a cheating devicefuck this gay earth
>>736162070>buy a game where the PvP is made around and for noobstomping and twinking>NOOO stop killing me and go to the hecking wholesome pointiff arena
>>736156956PVP turds are literally the loudest community>albion>immediate seething because all the crafters left the game and only PVP autists are left>copium for months upon months before mass abandonment due to zerg guilds constantly farming the valuable resource nodes>they complain there's no one to kill in the wild, the place they keep patrolling for anyone who isn't a part of their guildPVP fags don't even want to play against other PVP fags, they'll go out of their way and make excuses as to why they avoid doing actual PVP instead of bullying PVE fags
>>736165278Interestingly, they do use AI to detect the scripts now but at this point the existence of developer sanctioned aimbots means FPS aren't worth playing anymore so too little too late.
>>736159747Not sure why you’re framing that as some obsession unique to PVEfags when anyone who’s been here for longer than 5 minutes knows that people make hundreds of those kinds of threads about any of the latest releases regardless of whether or not they have PVP.
>>736165278It's also really pervasive in the FPS scene. Some estimates are as high as 75% of competitive players using a gamepad using one.
>>736165454Explain dedicated pvp games, which is what the thread is about
I think we can all agree that friendlies in pvp games are the scum of the earth.
>>736165540>teammate refuses to gank with me because of some made up reddit honor rules and we lose the game
>>736156956If that happens it's usually due to balancing affecting both modes the same. Or just company ditching SP in favor of MP in general.
>>736157169>to anyone who is just totally put off by sucking a dick aspect I highly recommend you give it a tryNo thank you.
>>736165531No, it's talking about how PVP fags are rational and PVE fags are not. I understand that you missed this because there's no one there for you to kill and thus your attention span was limited and you shat out a low quality post.
>>736165525100% of controller fags use an aimbot. This is all you really need to know.
>>736165531dedicated PVP games don't have PVE so I don't see how they'd interact in the first place
>>736156956Top is only accurate is its a PvE game with forced PvP that can't be turned off.
>>736165281I'm never buying a console and if I wanted to cheat I could just download some random shit on my pc. Is there any possibility of actual fucking conversation here or are you just constantly shitposting?
>>736166085Where do you think you are?
>>736165784Well for one they're interacting ITT and as we can see PvErs love to say "I FUCKING HATE YOU I HOPE YOU DIE" for seemingly no reason.>>736165689>ackhsually the thread is not what OP says it is and has been saying it is for numerous posts because i, a proud pver, cannot readFunny!
>>736156956in reality it goes something like>nah PvP ain't for me, i prefer to do things my own way>OH>MY>GOD
>>736166085Just about all of these devices work on PC (and there is a software variant to emulate a controller).Wouldn't be a problem if capitalists weren't shoving aimbots in all of these games.
>>736166263This is me. PvE players are fags and I won't hesitate to point it out.
>>736166263>n-no u
>>736162439>4 random steam threads from 2018/22/23>They all get clowned onYeah Anon, the "people" asked for it
>>736166178>literally has to start hallucinating and shitposting despite the fact that he started with MY REPLY, which linked OP and NOTHING ELSEwho are you quoting?
>>736166270I have no interest in the device itself, just wondering what the different modes are for. Or is it just various levels of how hard they snap/track
>>736165290Found the sschizo.
Yeah I fucking LOVE playing against jittering brazillians with 80% packet loss and 400 ping and cheating chinks
>>736166439>still pretending to not understand the OP
Reminder that pvp zerg pajeet clans are the reason this area stinks
>>736166563try to explain it then>>736166580that's the case in any game that allows guilds and PVPthere's always some zerg guilds and everyone else is left to suffer or join the horde
>>736166651No, try reading the thread where it has been explained multiple times.
>>736166504Found the troon having a melty
>>736156956It's unironically the other way around thosee -> >>736157169
>Found the troon having a melty
>>736166178All the people talking shit about PVP are talking exclusively about PVPVE because it's the only type of game that allow that interaction.So essentially you're just making shit up
>>736156956pve servers are part of what ruined Tarkov tbqh so fuck pve niggers
>>736157169>Eldin ringdude was so mad typing this
0/10 if OP just somehow happened to miss the Elden Ring and ARC Raiders threads.
>>736157320Everytime I see that image I become full of rage thinking of all the retarded "balances".Unless you enjoy constant grinding you HAVE to play the game on easy.
>>736166759I don't need to, I wasn't replying to anyone else in the thread so I didn't need to answer whatever you're upset about.
>>736166923>all my fellow retards can only bring up arc raiders so that's what we are talking aboutNyo>>736167017>posting in a thread without reading itKek
>>736166931PvE GODS don't need servers, they have a mod they run on a pirated copy of the gameTarkov was ruined by the wigglegate
>>736157169seamless coop allows invasions, though? everybody reposting this while talking about it like its an own to LE BAD RED MAN is a clueless brown retard who has never played that
>>736167085bait has to be subtle
>>736167158PVP in seamless co-op is a better experience than vanilla and i'm tired of saying otherwisefromsoft can't netcode for SHIT and random nobodies from nexus could
>>736166931>have rampant cheating with zero initiative to stamp it out, continue to ban people that kill streamers >hey where did everyone go, why are they just playing Stay in Tarkov??
>>736157048ARC RaidersMarathonSea of ThievesARMA 2 DayZ modARK Survival Evolved
>>736167093SPTrannies I have no quarrel with. The difference when PvE started is night and day. And yeah there are other factors but nigita never should've split the official player base.
>>736158139Online Always Game Gets Announced>PvE>Player count doesnt matter>Players can enjoy game whenever they want>No waiting for match queues>PvP>Player count is the only thing that matters>Can only play if other people play>Match queues will take 20+ minutes once everyone realizes its not CoD or Fortnite that they already put thousands of hours and dollars into and that their friends actually playPvPers don't akcnowledge that their games are fighting games and no one sticks around fotm games when they know they have yo go back to street fighter to prepare for the next street fighter
>>736166443They can be programmed to do anything. Usually people use them to toggle through various anti-recoil scripts.
>>736167265>ARC Raidersthe game where people are currently seething that they are being matched up with other aggressive players (aka niggers)?
I don't like how PVP nerds infest the fromsoft fandom.I hate that any discussion about weapon utility becomes about it's PVP utility.These are single player games with a small multiplayer gimmick.Go play a real multiplay game you losers.
>>736167161If it was bait, you replied therefore it succeeded and didn't need to be subtle, but it's not bait, if you didn't read the thread you shouldn't be posting. Newfags are such a pain.
>>736167158Invasions were added months later, optionally. You need to go into the ini file and set enableinvasions to 1. Anyway, people who take Souls PvP seriously deserve their eternal seething
>>736165290yes, because then i can sit around with dried fingers and clap all wex dusting casuals with dsa like you expecting timmy pve and not an old pontiff player. odd hundred webms, fire up ds3 occasionally just to farm hatemail from twinking losers.
>>736167158Why do I see le bad red man make threads complaining about it though?
>>736167423Nah, the matchmaking got changed so that freekitters or loadout-skim players are thrown into lobbies without care for prior activity due to filling lobbies, so sometimes a PvEbaby ends up in a deathmatchhttps://files.catbox.moe/56h6ro.mp4
>>736167473You can keep coping but I only replied to OP, there's no need to go on this mental gymnastics session. I'll assume you're just baiting poorly and leave you to it.
>>736167275You don't have to explain that to me, I witnessed how Sea of Thieves got a lot worse when they added PvE servers. And just like Tarkov the funniest thing is there already was unnofficial PvE version
>>736157048Marathon is a current one.
>>736167545>Please join my dying arena summon bro please, we need more players please stop invadinglmao
PvEbabbies would've cried and shit themselves at literally any early or late 2000s videogame because PvP multiplayer was the only option apart from a single-player campaign. How you can tell its all underages.
>>736167234agree, i remember when the game would just randomly disconnect you during coop and fuck playing through every area multiple times on each players world with friends>>736167496good thing only a small amount sweats take it seriously then, and the ones who still seethe about invasions years later.
>>736167496invasions are enabled by default, you'd know this if you ever did it once but you clearly didn't
>>736156956why do you fear bad red man so much
>>736167556do you also genuinely believe every OHNONO NINTENBROS thread on this board?
>>736167961I simply do not wish to play with him and choose to play other things instead. I WILL continue to tell devs of random ass games that I would totally play it, but only if it had co-op.Dragon's Dogma in general would have been infinitely better if my bro could take control of my pawn or vice-versa and I wouldn't even care if I was locked out of doing literally anything.
>>736167813>PvEgods had an amazing campaign>PvPfags had one map they had to queue ad infinitumDid uncs really
>>736156956What about WoW which despite having PvP and non PvP servers decided to destroy that system and gutted the PcP servers
>>736167710nice reading comprehensionthen again, your kind cant even read the most obvious parry setups
>>736168074Co-op trannies are the real scourge upon vidya
>>736157254I would say the biggest issue with /v/s PVP fags is the exact opposite, they throw tantrums at the idea of fixing movement exploits.
i love playing coop and pvp with my friends, after all i can do both with them.
PvP "enjoyers" dont actually like pvp if theyre forced to play against other pvp players. PvE players are easy prey, and thats all PvP players want, easy prey. Put a PvP player against someone of an equal skill level and they will cry and complain about how its "unfair" that they could possibly be put in a situation where they might lose.
>>736157048Real life.
>I LOVE PVP>matchmaking puts them against people of the same skill level>AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIE HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME THIS ISNT FAIR I JUST WANTED TO PVP CHANGE IT NOW
>>736168372Your brain on MMORPGs
>>736168308You don't need friends, I play coop and pvp without friends because they play dogshit like dota and marathon. /v/ complainers don't play anything so even if they had friends they still wouldn't play.
>>736168372Yes, and PvEtards keep buying games that are advertised as>You will be raped by PvP playersthen cry about being raped by PvP players
Just like gachas are designed to torture gambling addicts, PVP games are designed to torture insecure people with inferiority complexes.
>>736157048Sword Art Online
>>736168581>buying gamesHeh
>>736157048Destiny
>>736167423No, the game where PvE players had a meltdown crying that other people were sociopaths for doing shit showcased in the very tutorial to the point the devs changed the matchmaking for them so every match is incredibly predictable, passive players who are fine with PvP have to go out of their way to start shit to get any, and the devs had to admit they don't know what to do about the fact the bosses weren't designed for entire servers to gang up on.
>>736168436Almost no matchmaking algorithm does this. It's always a mix of skill levels "averaged out" to produce a team/win% score."Skill-based" is a misnomer that tricks players into thinking that everyone in a "lobby' has the same skill level, in reality they are designed to psychological manipulate you (EOMM).Even ranked modes in most games are manipulated in this way. The rule of thumb to test this is to look at matchmaking times for a high skill or high rank player. If the matchmaking time for these payers climbs exponentially the more skilled they are, then there is a better chance that the matchmaking is actually skill-based as most people think of it, i.e fair teams comprised of similar skill levels.
>>736168968>Almost no matchmaking algorithm does this
>>736168482i play dota with a friend of mines, extremely toxic game but great fun to shittalk teammates with him over comms and mechanically satisfying as a game itselfwouldnt recommend it however unless you really want to play it
>majority pvpfags just want to steamroll without any pushbackhow is this any different than just playing pve
>>736167158>seamless coop allows invasions, though?It does?I haven't played since around launch, but iirc it was just a babbymode for those that didn't want to get invaded?
>>736169138>majority of pvefags just make up shit in their headI see why they don't play games, they don't need to with how much they daydream.
>>736169138>>736168436>>736168372How many times are you going to post this fantasy?
>>736157169No one ever actually reads this image and it shows.
>>736167586how is this fun?
>>736169205It does allow invasions but 90% of people with that mod turn them off.
>>736167456Elden Ring making PvP effectively optional was funny as fuck
>>736169043>I fell for the marketing lie
>>736158647>Go ahead and try getting a 'modern gamer'You realize that includes singleplayer only people, right? You think Timmy playing Horizon or whatever is gonna get into Deus Ex? People who like PvP probably play way older games on average. CS players literally complained about getting a graphics update except for the one change that actually affected gameplay. Meanwhile SPonly fags fork out money for remakes.
>>736169298Have you been living under a rock and somehow avoided the meltdowns relating to SBMM being introduced to games that did not have it?
>>736161020There was some controversy after RE9 came out because a ton of Resident Evil 'fans' admitted they never played the games but insisted they were still fans because they loved watching them.
>>736160746>Dune Awakening You mean the game where 95% of progression was PURE PvE up until the final tier where the game dropped all PvE and swapped to PvP? The game where the devs said you'd never have to engage in PvP if you didn't want to buy them didn't bother making any PvE content for the endgame but made it all PvP?The game where the PvP was just players hovering in rocket ornithopters waiting for someone to try and get the resources where they would then kill them when they land with zero counter play and thumper their corpse?That Dune Awakening?
I have never seen this dynamic. It's always PvP'ers seething over devs not caring about them.
>Play Sea of Thieves >PvPfags just ignore 90% of the game and do nothing but follow you around trying to grief or sink you on repeat >They don't even steal the treasure or anything - they just let it despawn because they have zero interest in it>They exist purely to load in and beeline for any ship they see >Meanwhile pvefags are trying to engage with the other 90% of the game and have to deal with doing PvE and PvP at the same time with reduced numbers due to the split>One player always has to remain guarding the ship doing nothing and not playing the game because of PvP niggers
>>736169596PVP players HATE playing against people at their own level which is why millions of them keep signing up to play games with SBMM and EOMM
>>736164143True. I played FFXIV and PvP gives you so much shit. The best way to grind exp, a PvP currency for glams/transmogs, a second PvP currency for transmogs that were originally exclusive to people with high PvP ranking, points towards your seasonal battlepass which also has transmogs and mounts, I want to say it gives tomestones (PvE currency) and at the end of the patch it gives mogtomes during mogtome events which is when the game lets you buy mythic+ mounts and super grindy emotes. Despite all this I just ignore PvP until a mogtome event comes along and I grind out my battlepass in two days.Nobody asked, I just wanted to say how big a chore PvP feels. I play Astrologian too, I just wade into the clash and spam my aoe buff skills and then slip back into my backline to enjoy my assist kills roll in. It's the easiest class because it's fire and forget.
>>736156956yes because pvp players are known for being content with playing against bots
>>736168968>The rule of thumb to test this is to look at matchmaking times for a high skill or high rank player. If the matchmaking time for these payers climbs exponentially the more skilled they areI've been high-ranked in several games and this has always been the case. I can't think of any game where it isn't. I didn't play much Rivals but even in it, a game where people complain nonstop about EOMM, I remember checking out a streamer and he was in queue for like 30 minutes. Even CoD, which is a casual game that naturally has loose MM, usually starts taking a minute or two to queue right after my first couple matches.
>>736156956>erm this never happens!>except for all the times on /v/ when it does>nope, ignore all those people who seethe about "sweats" (translator's note: "sweat" means "any modicum better than a dog chewing on a controller")
>>736171073Forgot to mention. PvP still rewards you heavily even if you lose so it's very common for people to just half-ass it, find a corner of the map to AFK in to avoid pressing buttons, give up trying for first place and wasting time attacking the second place team because "they're easier" or just constantly throwing yourself into the enemy to lose faster. And the devs officially said that "Being bad at PvP is not reportable" so only the AFK thing is reportable. I try to get wins anyways because more points means I can finish the grind faster and spend the next six months chilling with fun PvE content.
>>736156956idk, i usually avoid pvp because my internet is shit and i know that i'm not in possession of the super meta plus ultra that can kill me in 5 seconds. I just stay in my lane and enjoy the game
>>736170619No algorithm can accurately match players who are of equal skill level in shitty unbalanced video games. Ultimately you will just get matched with a shitter 50% of the time who is guranteed to lose to you due to differences in game knowledge/characters/builds. The other 50% of the time you are the shitter.
>>736171872It's funny when you can read a post and immediately know how bad someone is at video games.
>>736157048every single mmo and extraction shooter is like this, here's your turnname one that isnt like this
>>736170365Just play on PvE servers and I don't mean the shitty official ones with reduced loot but the unnofficial ones you get by queueing together on discord like in the old daysAlso, the PvE content just fucking sucks and all the rewards are cosmetic, there is no incentive for PvP players to compete for loot when the loot is worthless
>>736156956That isn't what happens.
>>736156956It's YOUR fault, OP, YOU did this.
>>736157048Every ASSFAGGOTS ever
>>736171210I'm top 100 SPM/KD on all of the CoD games and quickplay always takes less than 30 seconds. If I'm solo, my team mates are 0.5 career KD players 99% of the time. Only time that hasn't been true is when I've been shadowbanned which happens once per title and lasts a week each time. When you're shadowbanned it can take anywhere from 10 minutes to hours to find matches with other shadowbanned players.Funnily enough, being shadowbanned more closely resembles matchmaking if one was top 500 and looking for players in the top 1000 to fill the lobby. SBMM doesn't exist and ranked in many games (like OW2) have massive rank gaps in ranked matchmaking. I recall having Silver 1 team mates in OW2 ranked while I was top 500. Capitalism ruined video games.
>>736170365>90% of them use a hack to see what treasure people have and worldswap nonstop until they get a target. Then use map hacks to find you.
>>736162194>Can I grab the enemy and throw them at another enemyI've picked up league of legends currently and already played two champions that can do exactly that lol. Sett and Renata Glasc.
>>736156956I remember when I was disappointed that Space Marine pivoted from a primarily PvP franchise to a co-op PvE shooter for the sequel and got shit on for it. You already won! There's no need to kick me while I'm down! Let me mourn my boy!
>>736172005Sorry to burst your bubble but multiplayer video games are a joke when it comes to competition. If you actually cared about skilled competition you'd play sports or symetrical games like Chess instead of your unbalanced, laggy video games with plenty of unchecked cheaters.
>>736169205invasions are enabled by default, me and my friend allowed it and kept getting invaded by one guy who would dumpster us because he was the only invader or some shit idkbro terrorized us at caria manor something fierce
>>736172738there are more cheaters on chess.com than there are in league of legends lol
>reddit tries to host the /v/ vs. reddit tribes match today>everyone on /v/ seethes about the game being a "pvp sweatfest" and dead>reddit wins by default
>>736167376>PvE>>Player count doesnt matter>>Players can enjoy game whenever they want>>No waiting for match queueslol this board always use steam charts for single player games
>>736172738I don't care about sports or symmetrical games like chess, I care about video games so I will play video games to win and try my best improve. I will not apologize that wanting to win and get better at the game makes you upset.
>>736157048Jackie Chan
>>736172873And theres far more instances of people cheating in official video game tournaments then Chess or sports.
The reason why I dislike PvP games is that I hate the idea that if I lose, and yes you lose everybody does, I waste my time for someone else enjoyment. And my time is more important than everything else. There's no way you can defend this.
>>736173257That's your right. Just as it is the right of others to ignore competitive games and focus on singleplayer or co-operative PvE games.
>>736173616>ignore>implying
