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>>736172916Why exactly do we need to move further on from 3?
Step 3 except less disingenuous than the faggot that made this comic
>>736172916I think 3 is where it should stop in a majority of cases, 4 if the translator is exceptional
>>736172916"I'm gonna punch your lights out"
Why is this only a matter when talking about Japanese games.You don't see people sperging out about how the Witcher games are translated.
>>736173151Localizers think they always have to be different from the original to be special.
>>736173165what's disingenuous about it? is this not from a textbook?
>>736172916Adaption as not to have lifeless as fuck dialogue
>I'm gonna knock you outWhy wouldn't it be this instead?
>>736173151because in the original, the man didn't just plainly say "i'm going to hit you" he used an idiom that means he's going to hit you. the original intent is preserved more closely if the translation also uses an idiom that means the same thing.
>>736173524>it's from a textbook, that means the localizer that wrote the textbook was being truthful
>>736173863you still haven't said what's disingenuous about it
>>736173821I think the issue here, as illustrated by the example, is that localizers seem to think all idioms are equal, and so replacing any idiom with an idiom is acceptable. They don't seem to consider that the kind of guy who goes around saying "I'm gonna knock your lights out" probably isn't the type of person to make up gay ass reddit puns like in their example.
>>736172916>learn Japanese>find out the translations are actually better噓。。。
>>736173923it's not clarified correctly. he made it as boring-sounding as humanly possible so that he could make it seem like step 4 is a huge improvement
>>736174229"I'm going to knock you lights out" is a gay ass reddit pun
>>736172916What's wrong with the raw translation? I wouldn't want to mess with a man threatening to break all the lights in my home with his hand.
>>736172916>original sounds like the old man is genuinely angry and losing his composure, issuing out a threat with the use of a common idiom>adaptation is him being a quirky chungus quipping marvel characterThis image portrays localiser subhumans in a far more negative light than you thought.
>>736173210Okay this one got meGood post, anon
>>736174359I think you just don't understand the example. When the phrase is nonsense when translated literally, you go off of what is meant, and add the "flavor" when adapting
>>736173863Textbooks are the source of truth. If you disagree you're wrong.
>>736173210
>>736174391https://idiomorigins.org/origin/put-someones-lights-outKill yourself you fucking retard. Drive a rusted screwdriver through your dumbfuck eyeball.
>>736174592You don't need any shitty flavor though. You can say you're gonna punch someone without trying to farm upvotes from the audience.
>>736174359What you're asking for is to skip right from step 3 to step 4.
>>736172916Americans like everything raw and direct like 2.Europeans are used to adaptations so we prefer 4.If you grow with Hollywood movies you are obsessed with the Native language but if you are a german or a french or whatever else nationality you are used to adaption since you were born.
>>736172916But the first one already sounds fine to me
>>736174764You need shitty flavor if you want to remain faithful to the original's shitty flavor
>>736174778>Americans like everything raw and direct like 2 which is why the ground zero of all this quirky localizer faggotry is californiacommit suicide you disingenuous shitskin
>>736174873The original wasn't looking for upvotes though. It was just an idiom, not a quip like in 4.
>>736173210You know the rules
>>736174874american
>>736174968And so do I
>>736173524>it's in a textbook so it can't be disingenuousanon-kun.... the graphic is so misleading that it's basically a lie. it is obviously created by someone who is employed as a localizer and needs you to think that their job is important.#2 is not a "raw translation", it's not a translation at all. someone who knows both languages would not visit #2 at any point.a true raw translation would be to write the idiom literally, as-is. it doesn't have to make sense in the target language. the reader should know they are reading a work that was created by someone in another country who speaks a different language and grew up in a different culture. god forbid they might consider it an opportunity to learn something.
>>7361729162 is the best. It's accurate to the original, conveys that the man you are dealing with is absolutely unhinged and wishes harm upon you and it's well written
>>736175150You're seriously advocating for leaving in nonsense translations as is? and just expecting the reader to stop and google what the fuck is meant?
>>736175150>#2 is not a "raw translation", it's not a translation at all. someone who knows both languages would not visit #2 at any point.Point 2 is meant to portray to EOPs that languages have unique idioms and constructions that often don't lend themselves to straightforward word-for-word translation, which /v/ constantly begs for. What you're discussing in the rest of your post is pure semantics and hinging on single words instead of the idea. Translation is a game of choice and approximation, and video game localizers often using that fact to leverage fagshit into games does not make it untrue.
Isn't the issue that the final version could be literally true, while the original could not? (People pour drinks, but nobody punches lights out).The raw translation is already a stretch. That phrase does not mean "I will break all the light bulbs in your home with my hand". "Light" is a metaphor for your consciousness. As if your head was a lightbulb that shines when it's "on". It doesn't mean "I'm going to hit you", it means "I'm going to knock you out".
>>736172916>We can't translate it any other way>So first we have to translate it in order to translate it
>>736175319>>736175386take for example「猫の手も借りたい」what is the accurate, correct translation? you should know there is exactly one, and that is what should be written.the reader will recognize that it's an idiom, and knowing the context, they will learn what it means and how it's used.localization is just a lie, it's that simple.
>>736175965take for counter example "make like a tree and leaf" how would context help you understand to act like a tree and to leaf (verb) if there is no wordplay?
>>736176089the fact that you don't understand how someone could grasp the meaning from context speaks volumes. i bet you're a localizer
>>736176275Some things translate cleanly like the one you postedmany do not, especially if they rely on wordplay
>>736176376you have failed to grasp what i'm telling you.we have two examples now that do "translate cleanly". feel free to share something that you think is impossible to write in english and i will tell you how to write it, without replacing it with something different.
>>736172916This image is the breakfast question for autist weebs
>>736174748It doesn't matter how old something is, if it's cringe and retarded it's reddit.
>>736175965At that point, why bother? What can't you figure out from context. People like you are a rancid combination of lazy and elitist, and in that way you're just like the localizers.
>>736172916All four are great though.
>>736176768>if i can't rewrite the script then we shouldn't bother translating at allgreat argument retard
i'm gonna do iti'm gonna fucking do it
>>736175965>the reader will recognize that it's an idiom, and knowing the context, they will learn what it means and how it's used.No he's not and you're a fucking autistic retard. I bet you can't even rotate a blue apple in your head.
>>736172916Someone do this with "Life's a beach".
>>736177037>i'm unable to recognize that i don't understand what i just read>this is somehow your problemno
>>736172916why did they localize already translated text in the first panel? are they stupid?
>>736177174>missing the joke and proving my pointGood work, retardo.
>>736177047great example. you should just write "life is a beach" literally and let the reader figure it out if you are unwilling to add a TL note.
>>736172916That idiom from 1 also works in English. I think the example would work better if 1 used a phrase or idiom that only people from from the original language would understand.
>>736172916This is a lot of cope when you job is to simply make equivalent sentences Can they ever try to make their point without retarded hyperboles? It probably wouldn't work if they don't resort to idioms
>>736173821>um you can't preserve it so I'm just going to throw the script awayMaybe it's all just a skill issue? Shouldn't editors catch this shit?
>>736176719kek I can't tell who is baiting or just retarded ITT
>>736177301But then how will you sell your textbook to the unwashed masses?
>>736172916If the original in a foreign language is "I'm gonna punch your lights out" why isn't the English translation "I'm gonna punch your lights out"? It's the same phrase.Are they stupid?the captcha guessed my joke
>>736177037I can do that, but the apple has to be more yellow than a lemon. Any other color and the apple will just fade away into the literal word "apple".
>>736173427I find that most of these types are turd worlders. They got bullied out of participating in mainstream (i.e. western) culture when they entered the internet over the last 15-20 years because their opinions are those of outsiders, so now they're trying to stake their claim on the second largest cultural export, weebshit, which they feel comparatively more entitled to have opinions about. They don't like the adaptation step simply because it makes the English more complex and they have trouble understanding what's being said. The point is to make the text more enjoyable for an English-literate audience, but because they're half-literate at best, this ends up only harming their enjoyment. That's why you hear silly phrases like "American English isn't the only kind of English". As an aside, the long-form fiction these people make is some of the funniest shit you'll ever find. They actually write in native Translationese, because they've learned most of their English through bad translations. Another not mutually exclusive archetype in these kinds of discussions are the yellow fever weebs as seen here >>736175965They also got bullied out of participating in western culture, although they'll claim they left willingly because Japan is more based. They don't like localization as a whole because it tends to rob them of weeb fun facts. They prefer "I want to borrow even the hand of a cat" to "I'll take any help I can get" because in their minds they're acquiring some sort of secret Japanese knowledge folded over 1000 times that lets them feel superior to normies. But they're too lazy to reach a Japanese level where they can forego localization and consume their media directly, so they're forced to live in the EOP hell of their own creation, and can only cope by busting out their fun facts to captivate lesser weebs and pretend to be experts.
>>736180531>blah blah blah everything should be capeshitholy fuck kill yourself
>>736180531>"thirdies can't appreciate the DEI localizations"Dumbest post ITT.
>>736173151I'm going to let my autism go wild a little bitEvery character should be treated like a human being with rich history that has made them who they are (like you and I). Two characters/human beings could say "I am going to hit you" in two completely different ways based on where they're from, what they've learned, how they deal with issues, context, etc. When a character says "I'm gonna punch your lights out!" It comes from this character's mind library. "I'm" instead of "I am," "gonna" instead of "going to," and even the metaphor (punch your lights out) all informs you of the kind of person this character is, how he thinks (+ how he thinks on his feet) and how the words he uses are appropriate for this scenario. It would be too proper and slow to tell someone you're about to maim that you are going to hit them. It's way more crass and appropriate to shorten it, because the point is that you are about to get your shit rocked, not that I have something important to tell you.Tldr: "I'm going to hit you!" is too general for any real human being to ever say in any context.
>>736180531>But they're too lazy to reach a Japanese levelyou were doing fine but here you've diverged into delusion by making a leap in logic, for some reason i don't care to know.consider instead that one does pursue proficiency with Japanese where translation isn't necessary, and then my "yellow fever weeb" position is perfectly rational. but you prefer not to see that option. it's okay, you're just autistic.
>>736172916>Nip, chinese and korean speech is absolutely packed with idioms that are both larger metaphorical/have indirect meaning and austically reference internal events that occurred 1500 years ago>Knot the grass and carry the ring, kindness will be rewarded./v/cels are literally like what's wrong with just leaving this raw.
>>736179010It's obvious that you only know one language. If I read an English book and I directly translate an entire page into my language, it wont make any sense. So a lot of stuff have to be rephrased to convey the message properly. "I'm going to fuck your pussy" would be translated into 'I'm going to have sex with your cat" unless your language uses the word for cat as another word for vagina. My language uses the word 'mouse' for pussy.
>>736173210Kek
>>736172916>I will break all the light bulbs in your home with my handI'm not seeing the problem with that one. I would be terrified if someone threatened to do that.
>>736180871>>736181287>localizing for the chud audience
>>736172916I get that adaptations needs to be made during translations, all I ask is that translators refrain from using references or arguments, be political or cultural, that are not already in the original."Adapting for a different culture" shouldn't be a thing, if the Japanese guy references an Asian musician I don't want the translation to change it into a western musician "because westerners wouldn't get it".And if that adaptation involves changing the entire tone or meaning due to something the translator finds "in conflict with western values" or something you either leave that shit as it is and try to be professional about it or you walk away from the project.
>>736181880so you're just going to translate it into "i'm going to fuck your mouse" meanwhile localizer will completely change the phrase to either include memes or make the conversation completely different, like they did in FE with the two ninja character looking at each others in silence for the eng version while for the japanese version they talk to each others.localizers are not translators and will never be, not because they do shit like that but they litterally don't know the language they are looking at, legit translators will never work for video games, they cost a fucking fortune and instead work for law firms or big ass corporation, the average localizer salary is a quarter of what they make.localizers should be remembered daily of their places, they job is to translate the fucking game using the given script and changing a word or two to make it make sense in english, end of the fucking line, they don't write their own stories in it.
>The Basic Stages of Text Lolcalization
>>736173210kek
>>736172916I wouldn't fuck with a lightbulb puncher
>>736181728But the japanese (scripts) do say "I'm going to hit you".
>>736182032Would make a tense scene for a movie>see scary guy at the other end of a few connected rooms>he reaches up, grabs the bulb and crushes it in his hand>he steps out of the darkness into the next closer room, he reaches up... etc.
>>736172916俺はEOPじゃ無い
>>736182964Normalfags like localizations and they're necessary for some things, like untranslatable jokes due cultural context or word plays and whatnot. The problem of modern localizations is the same as yours, American politics brainrot.
>>736183607>はわ
>>736172916"I'm going to knock you out"
>>736183445The problem is that you just directly translate the meaning of everything, it will likely end up sounding very robotic and monotone. For example turning something like "Let's hit the road" - "Hell yeah" into "Let's go" - "Okay".Not saying it's right or wrong. Good translation requires not just knowing both languages, but using them well, and I think the demand of resulting language might be even higher than the source one. It's one thing to extract the meaning and context of words, it's whole another to put it back together in a differnet language without losing anything. If you're dealing with flowery prose or wordplays, it can be very tricky to find the right words. And of course, you can't really expect this level of dedication from some chump who gets minimum pay to go through some videogame he couldn't care less about.
>>736183873-9000/10
>>736172916I'm so glad i started learning jap during covid. I don't have to put up with atrocious localizations anymore.And people who think AI is going to fix things are completely insane.
>>736183445>But the japanese (scripts) do say "I'm going to hit you".But they don't, that's the point. "I'm gonna punch your lights out" and "I'm going to hit you" are not the same.
>>736173210lmao
>>736182964>localizers are not translators and will never be, not because they do shit like that but they litterally don't know the language they are looking at, legit translators will never work for video games, they cost a fucking fortune and instead work for law firms or big ass corporation, the average localizer salary is a quarter of what they make.i too want my prose to be translated like a fucking legal document
>>736183045left side tells me you're too stupid to understand the comparison at all
>>736187107If a character is talking stiff like a legal document, I want the character to sound like a legal document.
>>736187486>If a character is talking stiff like a legal documentBut they aren't doing that, that's the whole point of the scenario in the OP.
>>736187486NTA but then you need a localization to make it sound formal in your language.
The problem with translating idioms is that most localizers are reddit levels of autistic and don't know how to make something sound good. OP's pic is spot on with how embarassingly gay the final output tends to be
>>736187746I agree but the problem in that case is that the localizer is a shitty writer, not that they're making changes at all which is what the autists clamoring for "word-for-word translation" believe. Localization when done well is fantastic.
I just want Ted Woolsey back...
>>736172916why did the "raw translation" add the word bulbs when the source language never said anything about what kind of fixture they were going to punch out?
>>736188221>Etymology: Chiefly by the metaphor of extinguishing someone's lights as sources of illumination (thus putting out their lights, e.g., snuffing out their lamps, lanterns, candles, or torches),because that's literally what it means
>>736188396But there's no mention of lightbulbs in your example. lamps, candles, lanters, and torches all use flames, not light bulbs, to illuminate. and before you say "they can use light bulbs" your example said "snuff out" which only applies to flames.
>>736188515If the example used was "I will break all the candles in your home with my hand!" would that change anything about the point of the image?
>>736188221The only kinds of lights that can be punched out are light bulbs. You can't punch out sunlight for example, you can't even punch the sun. So lightbulbs are necessarily the only kind of lights that the speaker is referring to.
>>736172916It's kind of incredibly how hard this image filters retards. It's on the same level as the breakfast question with the way complete fucking morons default to>HURRR DURR BUT THE ORIGINAL IS ALREADY IN ENGLISH
What was ever so wrong with clarifying footnotes?God I love these captchas. What happens if you get them wrong?
>>7361888814th is a perfectly good translation, it's not even some cringe shit like OP that's a fairly normal English phrase.
>>736188970>spoilerYou get a normal one.
>>736188772you've clearly never seen a martial arts movie if you think you can't punch out a candle.
>>736188970>What was ever so wrong with clarifying footnotes?Footnotes are fine in works which support them, but most mediums don't have any kind of framework that would allow footnotes to make any amount of sense outside of books/comics. Also, generally, the popular philosophy with translation these days is to make something that sounds native in the target language, and footnotes detract from that.
>>736188970Works fine for a manga or VN, not so much for a video game.
>>736174748ok boomer
>>736176089>>736175965You can go even farther with that line. A common joke is >make like a tree and get the fuck outta hereWhich takes that pun and then goes a step farther with a deliberate break of the original joke. That is a line that will absolutely take some work to finagle into other languages and can't just be translated over 1:1. Imagining that all idioms are as simple as "keep your eye on the ball" is deliberately facetious.
>>736172916Raw Translation
>>736189145>not so much for a video game.Why the fuck not? Just put them in and people will get used to seeing them. The issue isn't that they're not suitable, the issue is that people keep telling you>N-NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE FOOTNOTES IN VIDYA BECAUSE, LIKE UH... WELL YOU JUST FUCKING CAN'T, OK!? GOD!!!
>>736189026Right. Localizers found a similar meaning phrase and used it.
>>736180531Yeah, there is a huge crowd of people that grew up on "Manga English" from amateur scanlations and the like and to them any type of English dialog that isn't as stilted as what they're used to from reading Attack on Titan fan translations in 2015, is sinful.
>100+ reply thread about accuracy of localization>by autists who thinks basic socializing is evil and alien and disgusting anywaysThere are no good opinions in this thread
>>736189392>every video game is an old-school jrpg with all the dialogue taking place in textboxes that proceed at the user's own paceok anon
>>736183045Are you retarded?
>>736189392That's fucking awful.
>>736189392I was the one that asks for footnotes and stuffing it in parenthesis in the tiny little dialog box is retarded.I'm not sure where to put them. Maybe in the manual. Put little superscript numbers above the text and have a section in the manual for it.
>>736189465>I'll be in your care.>It can't be helped...>Don't look down on me!>So it has come to this...>It's as expected...!>Even if you say such a thing...>you're full of energy>As expected of MC-kun!>What an interesting woman.>Don't just decide that on your own!>I'm not letting you have my Onee-sama!>You're a hundred years too early!>The scales have fallen from my eyes.>I'm turning weird!>People simply help each other in times of need!>...is what I'd like to say but...>What are you saying?>Men are the worst!>The customer is god.>From today onwards...>You'll catch a cold.>I'll never forgive you!>Are you really okay with this?>It's decided!
>>736189392Yeah no anon. You're delusional if you think right is preferable to middle. Holy shit that's terrible.
>>736173269This. so simple.
>>736189661>Holy shit that's terrible.It's really not. It's fine when you don't have a bitch in your ear whispering "it's terrible" the whole time.
>>736189465>Exactly phrasing doesn't exist in English so it's okay to replace it with something completely differentMan it's okay for foreign shit to still sound foreign, unless you're translating for 4kids
>>736189392That's fucking awful, though. It also completely removes you from the experience because Eaethbound literally takes place in America, so having a pun for japs in an american town in a game written in english feels like shit.
>>736189392This is actually a great example of why the autist perspective on translation is flawed. Is the point of the original Japanese to be a reference to this specific show, or is it just mean to be a joke about a question that you can answer just by saying you can answer it? The latter seems a lot more likely to me in which case the translation captures the intent of the writing perfectly, in fact it might've been literally part of the notes the JP writers provided for the translators.
>>736172916>Adaption is the worst by farI almost feel like this has to be self-aware because it portrays exactly why localizers suck. It's trying way too hard compared to the original especially if, in theory, it could be maintained as something largely identical to>I'm gonna punch your lights outeven just going >I'm gonna knock you out would workDumb nigger faggot TRANSlators
>>736188881What's wrong with the third one, just give me that.
>>736189784>Exactly phrasing doesn't exist in English so it's okay to replace it with something completely differentBut it's not completely different.>Man it's okay for foreign shit to still sound foreignDo you think the writer's intention in making his work was for it to "sound foreign"? In most cases they want it to be just as accessible to English speakers as what they wrote is to Japanese speakers. I'm not going to pretend like there isn't also value in having a translation that tries to preserve as much Japanese-ness as possible (in particular if it's something intended for an otaku audience), but most translations shouldn't be like that.
>>736189987>>736188932
>>736189987How do you know that the original wasn't meant to sound cringey and forced in the original language too?
>>736174778>Europeans are used to adaptations so we prefer 4.kys retard
>>736190067Rub a dub thanks for the grub
>>736189713>XXXdi>What goes in XXX, Yes or No?>Yesdi>Nodi>Uhhh I don't fucking know. Yes?>Correct! Translator here! You might not know this but in Japanese Yes means Hai, so you just made the word Heidi! Congratulations!>Uh... but wouldn't that be Haidi?>Translator here! In Japanese, the name Heidi is actually spelled ハイジ (haiji), and that's because hei (ヘイ) is actually pronounced "hay". You might be a tad bit confused, but that's okay, that's what I'm here for!
>>736189784The issue, if anything, is attempting to be too exact with the phrasing. Like the classic "It Can't Be Helped" or "My Heart Isn't Ready". >>736190067I wouldn't go that far. Yes, the original intent wasn't for the work to sound foreign. But you do have to respect that the work is foreign and that will always color the text. Don't translate into clunky literalisms, but don't try to make it sound like it comes from your next door neighbor.
>>736190167except I explicitly said>in theory, it could be maintained as something largely identical tospecifically to identify and acknowledge that the original is not meant to be directly translatable even if it's written in English. So ironically, your own retardation filtered you from being able to comprehend my post.
>>736173210popped my ass
>>736190067>Do you think the writer's intention in making his work was for it to "sound foreign"?This happens all the time. サンダー・ボルト (literally sanda boruto, thunder bolt) in yugioh was localized to Raigeki in English. This is correct. The intent of it being named the “Thunder Bolt” in Japanese is specifically to be foreign to Japanese speakers, so if it was brought over as Thunder Bolt it would completely miss the point.
ok but which part of loclaization requires a character named "harold" to be renamed "arthur" or turning "martina" into "jade" for no apparent reason?
>>736190191>What if we added new context that meant it was supposed to be bad on purposeThat's great but doesn't address the reality that a). That's not the context we are given for that image; andb). That's almost never the case in actual adaptations
>>736173095This. Soon, companies will not spend money on localization. It will be built into the operating system, just like it is in web browsers (in principle; afaik browsers still use legacy automated translation).
>>736190370Again, I never said it's not applicable sometimes. Naruto is a manga about ninjas, obviously it's inherently Japanese. Doesn't mean that e.g. Dark Souls should be translated with Japaneseisms.
>>736190480good morning saar
>>736190370Fun fact: In the Spanish version of Terminator 2 they say "Sayonara baby" instead of "hasta la vista baby" which makes John Connor a fucking weeb.
>>736190529Don't even bring up Dark Souls. Frognation is a pretty bad translation company.
>>736190370The topic is Japanese that reads naturally to a Japanese audience being translated in a way that it reads unnaturally to an English audience. Katakana loan words have no relevance to this.
>>736173210>food analogy
>>736177010you're gonna be stuck on the first 10 cards
>>736190692>the topic is You’re an incel who will kill themselves
>>736190553I am an actual racist White person, but brain dead responses like these make me very concerned we are being legitimately outcompeted. Hoping people like you are just black or some shit.
>>736190529>NarutoDon't know where I got that from, I read boruto and my brain short-circuited. My point still stands though, like half the monsters in Yu-gi-oh are some obscure Japanese cultural reference so of course it needs to maintain its Japaneseness even when localized.
>>736188881kek
>>736190431>that's almost never the case in actual adaptationsTry talking like a character from otaku media and every Japanese normie is gonna laugh at you.
>>736190753Slop-suckers like you deserve absolutely no thought given to replies
>>7361729163 and 4 managed to be completely worse than just the literal translation.
>>736190732At least I know how to read!
>>736190753Saaaar I am the Brahmin caste saaar
>>736189392This doesn't work unless you use hai/iie as your answers instead of yes/no. better would be to have "Yes/Hai" and "No/Iie" as your selections (or reversed, doesn't matter to me).
Why not just "I'm going to knock you out!" Instead of a weird, out of place joke that doesn't fit the original context.
>>736173210I've CHOSEN the large tub!
>>736173210You know the rules.
>>736189392Why are you using an a gif deliberately made to mock your position as an example to support your position? Did you just not understand that's what it's doing?
>>736190908"I'm gonna punch your lights out" is also a joke.
>>736189392Yes, you probably shouldn't have the footnotes in the thing you are currently playing. Just like if you got translators notes while watching a show or a film. It pulls you out of the experience for inconsequential trivia.
>>736191032Maybe he's a legit autistic retard, you ableist!
>>736189145Depending on the game, a glossary works fine for it.
>>736190425Which part of a localization requires>Takeshi to be named Brock>Kasumi to be named Misty>Matis to be named Surge>Kyou to be named Koga>Natsume to be named Sabrina>Katsura to be named Blaine>Sakaki to be named Giovanni?
>>736172916that raw translation is 100000% incorrect its an idiom or metaphor. Whoever wrote this book is illiterate
>>736189640>心
>>736191226>Whoever wrote this book is illiterateThe best part is, it's that Legends of Localization jackass who claims to be a professional localizer and a subject matter expert, yet he can't even provide correct examples when he tries to demonstrate a point.
>>736191180Their names are puns in Japanese so they are translated to also be puns in English.
>>736191226and you're an idiot or a metafool
>>736191226>that raw translation is 100000% incorrect its an idiom or metaphorthats the point dumbass
>>736191385>translation: "uhhhh changing their names is fine when I PERSONALLY say it is, because, uh, like, dude, it just fucking IS, OK!? JEEZ!!"
>>736189640these make me smile
>>736173095unfortunately as good as this sounds for individual users if they were to undergo a tr project themselves, companies will just put the quirky localization recontexts into the prompts and make it output the same shite
>>736191180>make pun>pun doesn't make sense in a different langauge>change it so that the pun does make sense in a different langauge
>>736191180Because Japanese names sound weird for the intended audience.
>>736190021If you want a real answer, movies and tv shows only have limited run times and you cannot put an entire explanation in the middle of a dialogue exchange or else you'll ruin the flow of the scene and experience for the viewer. Music obviously you can't do shit with otherwise you'll ruin the music, or if you include a little booklet with your music CD, then most people will just fucking ignore it. Books can get away with it since they're 100% text and adding an extra page or 2 is easy, and you can easily add a footnote that the viewer can skip or read depending on what they want. Manga doesn't have that same luxury since space is in short demand between the panels, and nobody wants to add extra pages to their weekly magazine just to explain cultural notes. Games too can potentially have problems (although nowadays we essentially have infinite storage compared to the pre-2000's so we don't need to worry about storage), sometimes the dialogue system literally just doesn't allow for adding more textboxes, very rookie mistake but it still happens if you store all your text one after the other, and sometimes you've got cutscenes in which we run into the same problem that movies and tv shows have that being limited time, and in games you sometimes can't even pause cutscenes so that's fucked.TL notes, especially long and detailed ones, are very much a book thing, the don't work all too well in other mediums
>>736191475I have no idea what game >>736190425 is talking about so I don't know if it's dumb or not.
This is how it has to be.
>>736191180Holy fucking retard lmao
>>736173151The third step conveys information, whereas the fourth (in a good translation) conveys the character, a character who is otherwise portrayed as a total jackass shouldn't speak in a polite, succinct manner even if it may convey the exact same message intended in the original translation, because it'd be very obviously out of character
>>736191804No one asked LLM pajeet
>>736173427It is exactly because the games are Japanese that the localizer refuses to translate. Keep in mind that wokeism is just a much stronger, repressed form of socially acceptable normie racism and sexism and it all becomes clear. Remember the dragon maid dub?
>>736191627Harold to Arthur is Fire Emblem Fates, which is somewhat notorious for retarded localization choices. and even among those that one stands out as making no sense, dude literally has an H for Harold on his belt. Martina to Jade i assume is Dragon Quest XI.
Anyone who calls Dragon Ball Z, "Dragon Ball Zeee", is failing at localisation. The original is "Dragon Ball Zetto", there is no reason to change it and to do so is disrespecting the original creators.
If some rampaging autist broke into my house and just started smashing every lightbulb with his bare hands, I'd feel pretty threatened.
