>lol jrpg tropes are so dumb>still does themI am 7 hours in, I am enjoying this game and I get what its trying to do but it still doesnt sit right with meIf you want to take the piss out of fetch quests (rightfully so) then dont include them in the game and show us how its supposed to be done right.If you are making fun of women in JRPGs being overly sexulised create a design that goes against it to prove it can be done right.Still fun though and the music is fucking goated with the sauce no cap fr fr
But who said it was a deconstruction?
bumping you for videogames
>>736179697>making fun of women in JRPGs being overly sexulisedThey aren't taking the piss. The Androids worship humanity, that's why they dress skimpy. It emphasizes their human form.
>>736180185He's talking about the first game, retard. He meant Kaine, whose outfit is much more ridiculous than 2B's.
>>736179697>I am 7 hours inYou haven't even beaten the tutorial in other words.>If you are making fun of women in JRPGs being overly sexulisedIt does not.The fact that you instantly recognized her as a sexy WOMAN directly plays into her and Taro's plan. But you wouldn't know about that yet, now would you?
>>736180297>whose outfit is much more ridiculous than 2B's.I don't know if I'm just long since desensitized or just clothing blind, but it really isn't that crazy to me. It also serves two lore purposes at once.
>>736179697>lol jrpg tropes are so dumbIt ultimately is an RPG deconstruction but that is not a statement it's making and it's not what it's doing by deconstructing it>If you want to take the piss out of fetch questsI don't think Taro is really intending to do thatThere's maybe a small layer of "we only had time and resources to have shitty fetch quests if we wanted to have side quests at all so we'll make fun of them while we're at it" but I can't really remember anything really hinting at that anyways>Kaine outfitI can't recall how many of the details surrounding this are directly referenced ingame versus hinted at and then confirmed in side stories and stuff, but you should play more of the game first.Taro is absolutely not "making fun of women in JRPGs being overly sexualized" in anything he's ever made though, like when anyone asks questions about 2B's design and outfit his answer is always literally "because I think it's hot"
>>736179697one of the few games i gave up without ending it. i liked automata, this is just a worse copy
>>736181817>older game is a copyle
>>736181817awful taste
>>736180297Kaine dresses like that cause she's fucked in the head and rationalizes that it makes her more feminine.
>>736181081Kaine should probably be dressed like a feral hobo. She lives in the woods and eviscerates monsters. Her wearing ass-out fancy lingerie into battle is just Taro thinking that's funny/hot.
>>736181009>It does not.Weiss does it constantly
>>736182321A character in a game making a statement is not the author making a statement.
>>736182197Not true.You have to remember that not only was she bullied for being a hermaphrodite, she also has the added challenge of being possessed by a sadistic male Shade. A being that cannot stand sunlight, btw.In other words, she has double the reason to show skin and appear extra feminine.>>736182321Does he though?He mocks and pickers all the time about the darnest of things, but mostly attacks Kaine's behavior and potty mouth.
>>736181817I played automata before and did 1 ending then quit because I did not understand what the game is going for and how you need multiple endings so I am playing replicant before I get back into automataI am enjoying automata way more than replicant, main guy is is a cool protagonist and I like the book
>>736182451Other way around I am enjoying replicant more than automata
>>736182451Good choice anonI think Replicant has the better story between the two but knowing all the little back references Automata is making makes its story better too.When you're back in Automata, after you fight a boss made of big giant balls promise me you'll go talk to Anemone a bunch of times and then read the terminal behind her. It's some really significant character backstory that absolutely should have been a mandatory part of the game but is incredibly easy to miss
>>736182850I will do that, I want to give the best shot for Yoko Taro I can because I fucking hated Drakengard 1 but I can see the vision.Finally with Nier the gameplay is good enough where its worth playing but man Drakengard 1 and 3 was rough
>>736179697Did you watch some retarded youtuber's meta analysis that misinterpreted everything with they/them's "media literacy" or you managed to hallucinate all this shit up on your own?
>>736183217The game makes fun of fetch quests atleast twice in part 1.Once about how convenient it would be to just teleport back to the person who gave you the quest to turn it in, once about how dumb it is we are doing meaningless quests for others while the sister is dying.Play the game I guess instead of projecting retardation.
>>736183370>once about how dumb it is we are doing meaningless quests for others while the sister is dying.Where does this happen? Isn't the whole narrative point of him doing all these odd jobs to get medicine money for his sister?
It's because Yoko Taro sucks at making games
>>736182451>>736183018You will grow to to HATE Replicant's other chapters / endings. It's the #1 thing Automata improved ten-fold on, not requiring you to literally replay entire chapters to see where the story leads to.
>>736182442I was referring more to what she'd actually have to work with, being a hunter/scavenger type completely banned from the rest of society since childhood. And I honestly don't recall if they ever said that the shade possessing her was hurt by sunlight in-game or just in the extra lore stuff. Not that her clothes even bare an excessive amount of skin for that. Just her ass, arms, and a single leg. A regular crop top and shorts would expose more.
>>736179697>If you are making fun of women in JRPGs being overly sexulised create a design that goes against it to prove it can be done right.Xhister, are ok, how many nazis are with you in the room?
>>736183431>Isn't the whole narrative point of him doing all these odd jobs to get medicine money for his sister?Only for like the first hour, I think this specific dialog happened around facade.>>736183475I might just watch it on youtube if nothing actually changes but the actual ending.If there are significant changes in the story before the ending I'm fine.
>>736183475A and B are the only ones that really matter, I consider B the game's "ending." C and D feel really tacked on to me and them coming up after is weird because it feels like the game already blew its load with B. I generally just tell people to watch C and D on youtube and then come back to E with a save file after finishing Automata.>>736183590You should absolutely do B because a whole bunch of things change throughout the entire route. For C and D, even though you only have to redo the finale segment for them, I don't think they're worth it and you should just look them up.
>>736183370There is a perfectly good in-game reason for the fetch quests and most of them are optional to begin with so unless 'Taro directly confirms it, every other "what did the author mean" is just gonna be a hallucination to me.
>>736183521>And I honestly don't recall if they ever said that the shade possessing her was hurt by sunlight in-game or just in the extra lore stuff.It's a common Shade thing. They cannot stay in the direct sunlight, both canonically (see the ending) nor in the gameplay. They literally start smoking and taking damage if you catch one out in the open during the sunny weather. Yes, there's a weather system in Gestalt / Replicant.>>736183590>I might just watch it on youtube if nothing actually changes but the actual ending.It's a bit 50-50.Replicant v1.224 did add a new playable chapter and ending that were originally only found in Art books and such, not in the game, but you kinda have to work to get that one.B chapter seems like repetition at first, but actually fleshes out the world and cast a fuckton.
>>736183775>>736184225I will do up to B and then see from there thanks.
>>736184225>They cannot stay in the direct sunlight, both canonically (see the ending) nor in the gameplayI haven't played Replicant yet but don't remember that being a thing in Gestalt. I do remember the plot point that there is no day/night cycle because the world stopped turning properly and we're in the half of the world that never gets dark.
>>736184523>I haven't played Replicant yet but don't remember that being a thing in Gestalt.It's a remake and it was definitely a thing in the original too.
>>736179697Feel the hate for doing side quests. SEETHE.This is a game that makes you feel emotions. That includes the rage for doing some of the worst side quests ever, lel. Still worth it.
>>736184625There's only one I will never do.You know which one
>>736184578I haven't played it in over a decade so I'll take your word for it
>>736184523>>736184731>I haven't played Replicant yet but don't remember that being a thing in Gestalt.It is.You don't often really get to see it, but it's still a thing both out on the field + in the story (such as: the possessed people of Aerie not wanting to come out, and the suicide of you-know-who at the end).
>>736179697>the music is fucking goatedThey completely ruined the music in the remake.
>>736185947Bit of an exaggeration but it is a downgrade
>>736179697Replicant plays like if someone set out to make the perfect 6/10 game and then made a AAA 6/10 game. Doesn't do anything new or unique but it sounds and looks pretty to look at. I prefer Automata personally. It does most things Replicant does but slightly better.
I just finished playthrough 2 and have no idea why they didn't just merge all of the parts on top of one another. Complete waste of time replaying the entire game for 30 extra minutes of content which were a few still images of androids with voiceover, some short cutscenes with adam and eve at a dining table, even FURTHER flight sections as if the game didn't have enough and the hacking parts which were navigating simple 2d planes and pressing a button for more text.And with playthrough 3 I'm already annoyed by the 2B section where you stumble around while a virus slowly infects you
>>736186297>I just finished playthrough 2 and have no idea why they didn't just merge all of the parts on top of one anotherNier series in a nutshell. Replicant was even worst about this.>Hey remember that boss you fought on the 1st playthrough, well he has a unrelated backstory you get to hear the next time you fight him in the next playthrough. Enjoy!I didn't even bother wanting to finish the 2nd playthrough.
>>736186212>Doesn't do anything new or unique but it sounds and looks pretty to look at.I've never experienced another piece of media that expressed its subject better than Nier did. Maybe it's not actually the first thing to do it this way, but to me it was pretty remarkable. The game is about perspective and exploring how someone could do something as horrible as 9/11 and think it's justified or the right thing, and the game makes you understand it by making you actually the one doing it without realizing it until the end, it tricks you into thinking you're fighting for one thing the whole way through but gut punches you with the reveal that your control switched to the "antagonist" after the first 20 minutes of gameplayAbsolutely nothing in Automata felt like that to me, the story is just kind of a clusterfuck and it doesn't do anything unique with it being a video game rather than a film or book or something like the first game does.
Now that you have it on PC you can use cheat engine and stuff. The flower achievement was hell to get on the ps3 even if you used the clock trick.>flowers have a random chance of getting certain colors>the more you mix, the lower the chances getAlso that scrapyard mission, God how low were the drop rates for it?
>>736186825>Replicant was even worst about this.I don't think so, Replicant's B fills in all the blanks and it all leads into the big final reveal and what it's all trying to do narratively. In Automata it's neat that you follow 9S instead when the pair splits up and it adds a lot more gameplay sections, but story-wise all the stuff it adds like the extra boss stories and those weird picture book segments don't really tie into anything or lead into the finale. Even once you know everything I still find their inclusion just kind of arbitrary and confusing, or trying too hard to do the same thing as the first game even though the story aspects that make it work there aren't present in Automata.>I didn't even bother wanting to finish the 2nd playthrough.Well then you can't really compare the two games against each other now, can you faggot?
>>736185947I think it's fine
>>736185947Can you explain how they ruined it?
>>736183458I've kind of realized that after playing his other shit and realizing that Nier was kind of a fluke
>>736183475I have PTSD from this one specific section where you run to a town, talk to one person, and then have to run across the map to talk to another person in a different town. And you have to do this on every playthrough.
>>736179697The fetch quests are bad. The combat is mediocre. The third playthrough is total padding. It's not very good, unless the story ends up affecting you so deeply that you can overlook everything else
>>736186297>I just finished playthrough 2 and have no idea why they didn't just merge all of the parts on top of one another.To pad out the play time. Yoko Taro is a genius btw
>>736190792You're both morons
