What was the plan with johto's dex?
>>736214570The plan was to have a dex that was about 50% babies and cross-gen evos, but then they reworked the entire dex and had no idea where to put many of the Pokemon, so they put a number of them in completely random places as 1% encounters.
>>736214570Johto was more designed as a legit sequel where you would use your old favorites with a few new faces. Different design philosophy to what came after so it comes out looking like a black sheep of the franchise.
>>736214570Makes you wonder if they actually learned from it or if they would've still put new mons into later areas in Hoenn and Sinnoh given the opportunity. Johto has a few cool Pokemon, it's just that you hardly see them.
>>736214604>and had no idea where to put many of the Pokemon,except of course in the case of houndour there was a route where you encounter vulpix and growlithe and it would have been ridiculously easy to simply make houndour the night versionmurkrow would have been stupidly easy to put in trees, and do a reverse spearow where it sleeps during the day
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>>736214570Still makes me mad, like would it have been so hard to put Houndour somewhere between Azalea Town and Ecruteak City?
Baby pokemon were a neat idea that was horribly executed. Instead of being used as a way to let certain pokemon lines be more accessible earlier, they were used as annoying dex filler because they wanted to incentivize breeding.
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>>736214570I like Wooper, he's my guy.
>>736214976>gen 4 finally tries to do this with munchlax>locks it behind the most godawful minigame in the form of honey treesand the silliest was baby pokemon of pokemon that were already early game, like pikachu, jigglypuff and clefairy
>>736214570Have everyone pick the GOAT electric mon
>>736215089ampharos looks dumb, there I said it
>>736215089>pick the GOAT electric monDefinitely, it's still one of my favorites.
>>736214570Well, back in the day, it was less "Johto's Pokedex" and more "the new Pokedex".Game Freak was mostly concerned with how to explain the presence of new Pokemon. It sounds weird from a modern perspective where almost every new Pokemon is just a new local species and has been for years, but they didn't have convention to fall back on. So the discovery of all these new Pokemon was made an in-universe event. Basically all of them were given at least a loosely implied reason to have not been seen in the Gen 1 games.Some of them just got unlucky, and the implied "reason" they were given was being so rare they didn't have enough sightings to warrant even an empty Pokedex slot until now.It kinda sucks from a gameplay perspective because it drops many otherwise interesting Pokemon so far out of the way that you'll have a comparable, usually downright better one from the original Pokedex by the time you find them.
>>736214570GF thought kids don't deserve cool Pokemon like Ttar and Houndoom so they left dogshit like Dunshart and Ledian in Johturd and all the good stuff at the ass end of the game where their underleveled and too late to be useful
>>736215581>Jynx>Farfetchd>Onyx>Hitmanchan>PorygonThe list goes on, gen 1 had a ton of mons in rby that nobody used and sucked balls
>>736214570Dex's weren't meant to regional yet. The idea of their being 'Kanto' and 'Johto' mons wasn't a thing yet. There was simply common pokemon and rare pokemon, and many of the Gen 2 mons were in that second category. This was a time when completing the dex was part of the challenge, hence why so many new pokemon were rare. >SneasalIn Ice Paths in Crystal>LarvitarAlso in Celadon City Gaming Corner in Crystal>Hating on Wooper
>>736214570They wanted the game to feel really expansive, and like an extremely good value, so they stuck the entire previous game into the sequel and made sure you were still finding new Pokemon when you got there, instead of the same ones you were catching just a few months ago in Yellow.But they also wanted you to see the new content early in the game, and pretty evenly spread throughout Johto, too. They only made about a hundred new Pokemon, and most of them only made sense in specific places, or were new evolutions or pre-evolutions of preexisting Pokemon, so they all got spread pretty thinly.They held themselves back by adding Kanto, sure, some players would have said "Oh, that's neat. We get to go back to the places from Red and Blue, but they look better now." But everyone who started with Yellow would just think it was lazy and they were recycling the old game from less than a year ago to pad out the new one..
>>736214939>would it have been so hard to put Houndour somewhere between Azalea Town and Ecruteak City?You WOULD want Morty to become a pushover anon
>>736215758Onyx was good in gen 1 though
>>736214794Sinnoh also had a similar problem, with very little variety, especially with Fire types, and with a lot of the new evolutions being unavailable to the point that both GLs and E4s had to use Pokemon outside of their type specialty until they fixed it in Platinum.
>>736215758Jynx was fucking terrific though
>>736215832No it wasn't.>>736214939Lake of Rage would have been better.
>>736215832>>736215850Wrong and wrong zooms
>>736214704How I fucking wish every game was a sequel to the last one but I guess it'd be too hard to implement without getting tiresome
>>736215880>wrongAnon, Jynx can literally solo the elite four at around level 50.
>>736215880Not a zoomer and Onix was more useful gen 1 than in future gens because there was less counters
>>736215880>Lovely Kiss>STAB Psychic>STAB Gen 1 Blizzard>Rest>Reflect>BadJynx is a solid pokemon offensive and support Pokemon
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>>736214704>black sheepExcept Johto is considered the height of Pokemon besides Kanto. You want the black sheep, its crap like gen 5 that killed the franchise.
>>736214604they put pidgey and rattata on every fucking route in johto but couldn’t figure out where to put houndour
>>736215758atleast hitmonchan had sick type coverage
>>736216602>Introduce day-night cycle>Put hondou in exactly one route at night in Kanto instead of literally anywhere in johto to introduce the mechanicGF's decision making process needs to be studied.
>>736215838platinum's dex is pretty good but most of the new encounters over dp don't come till around the third gymalso the retards basically gave a handul of pokemon in the game fly, mons like gliscor and yanmega cant learn it
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>>736215918They are all sequels to previous games. Even Legends Arceus is a sequel to Gen IV. Whichever protagonist you choose gets stuck in the past, which means Arceus can't have taken them from before they defeated Team Galactic. Pokopia is either an alternate timeline, or the very end of the canon one. It might even connect the Mystery Dungeon series to the main games.
>>736216405The term "black sheep" is used to single out something that is different from the norm. It can be used positively, negatively or neutral.
>>736215761Shut up troon
>>736216405gen 5 only "killed the franchise" in the sense that whining gen wunners were mad they couldn't use pikachu and that whining totally informed their design choices after
>>736214570The Kanto irony joke I get.The Hoenn one must be some zoomer thing.
>>736215758you can beat the game with literally anything, comp fags arent a thing
>>736214570Qwilfish and Octillary are not Kanto exclusive tho.
>>736217094>hoennbabbie has gen 1 chads living rent free in his head per usualGen V was pretty well respected for actually forcing a regional dex of completely new pokemon until completing the game. There's a lot of designs that weren't great and it introduced several pokemon that I got absolutely sick of seeing but it was arguably the last decent mainline gen.
>>736215089>not in CrystalKWAB
>>736217094Unovatrannies say this then use Lucario and Ampharos on their BW2 teams.
>>736217676I boxed riolu try again>>736217628having only it's own gen pokemon was one of my favourite parts
Up until Spaceworld 98 they indended the dex to be more of an expansion on the old one, with babies and cross-gen evos. The region was also just entirely new so they put those babies and new pokes throughout with the old ones.Then they were told to re-work it into a smaller but more structured regeon so they could make Kanto a full postgame area rather than just the "last town" and ditch a lot of the babies and evos, leading them to design a bunch of new pokemon with no real guidance on where to put them. In the end they just slapped them into kanto, which seems weird. Should have just kept the new Johto mons in Johto and just had the encounters from RB in Kanto.
>>736214570Quilfish and Octillery are Johto
>>736217751>Headcanon as fact
>>736215152Based Lanturn appreciator.
>>736217676BW was a soft rebootBW2 was a celebration and culmination of all the 2D gamesAbsolutely kino duology with both games offering different experiences
>>736217806Anon we have the Spaceworld 98 demo. That is literally what happened. Baby pokemon were catchable in the wild, along with old pokemon with the new evos.They didn't just rework the entire game in a year for their health.
>>736215581I used Ariados in one playthrough. It was a fairly decent special tank in the early-game.
>>736217873Cool, then it should be easy enough for you to post proof. Thanks.
>>736217751>Then they were told to re-work it into a smaller but more structured regeon so they could make Kanto a full postgame area rather than just the "last town"CRUSHED KANTO
>>736218007Early-game being an important point to highlight
