The ultimate debate
>>736219801>jedi, sith, reddit
>>736219801Comfy Star Destroyer pilot for me
you are a faggot. end of debate
I reject your sorcerous ways and sad devotion to ancient religions.All that matters is the Empire.
>>736219801>starwarsbet you play pokemon have have legot lmao
>>736219801middle is a literal fanfiction and the other two are binary retardationthere is no debate
i hate jews so much for ruining EVERYTHING
>>736219801
>>736219965>middle is a literal fanfictionUmm Ahsoka is a grey jedi and she is canon.
>>736220102>Ahsokalol who?
>>736219801Where is the Black Jedi?
>>736219965>middle is a literal fanfiction
>>736219801centrists NEED the rope around their COWARDLY NECKS!
>>736220102Ahsoka is a semen demon jedi
>>736220156Jolee is a Jedi, you mongoloid bastard.Play a game at least for one, and listen to what he say.
>>736220156Literally made up by a fan on set.
>>736219801Grey Jedi don't have their own code nor order, it's just what Jedi who tend to disagree with the council are called.
>>736220156>he disagrees with the Order that means he's some special third thingHe's Light Side in the game and for all his talk about letting history play itself out he'll still try to stop you if you go Dark Side at the end.
Jedi Extremist
I was born a jedi (like my father) but I identify as a sith.
>>736219801Jedi MasterAll black robes2x single hilt red lightsabersForm 2, 5 and 7 specialistBoth light and dark side powers
>>736220013jew franchise
>>736220102Inferior to the original Togruta Jedi girl.
>>736219801cringe
>sith have a codeI'm pretty sure they just do whatever they want while avoiding being assassinated by their master or apprentice.>only 2 sith>every sith master has a bunch of secret apprentices to play off each other>sith apprentice also gets a secret apprentice of their own while still having a masterIf anything the only code is organizational secrecy and lack of phonebook and sith conventions.
>>736220150>Shiiieettttt George can I have a purple lightsaber?>Uh okay sure.>Also you have your own unique combat form that taps into the dark side so you can be a bad motherfucker.
>>736220102she is a "grey" jedi in the sense she is a force user that no longer follows the jedi council, which really doesn't mean much since by the time she left order 66 soon happened, she is not a grey jedi like ops pick is suggesting in that she uses the dark side from time to time, she is still firmly rejects it especially since she found out Vader used to be Anakin
>>736220373Pre-Bane Sith, dude
>>736220401George always loved pleasing the fans.
>>736220367>dies on screen four different timesDo Togrutas have nine lives like cats?
>>736220223>>736220270Being a goody two-shoes isn't what makes you a jedi, you absolute retards.
>>736219801>The ultimate debateThere is no debate.>>736219965>there is no debatetsmt
>>736220535I'm not sorry. You shouldn't have cancelled KOTOR 3, Battlefront 3, and the Darth Maul game or sold out to Disney you hack.
>>736220512nobody said that, moron
>>736219801Grey Code is made up fanfic, no matter what kind of grey jedi you believe is true in any Star Wars. That picture is not even for grey jedi
>>736219827/thread
>>736220705(You) are nigger
>>736220223>>736220270Jolee is actually one of best examples of good Jedi in games
>>736219801Jedi are fucking gay
>>736219801Star Whores sissies need to get back in their chastity cage so daddy yiidsney can torment them more.
>>736219801this debate causes confusion because the term jedi and sith mean multiple things even in universejedi can mean force users in general, it can mean a religion, it can mean the organization, same with the sith too. and it's not complicated in a meaningful or intentional way either, it's just retarded and bad writing a similar thing exists in gundam with the new types too for example but there it makes sense because it's caused by the in-universe people using the term in different ways for their own ends
just be the light side bro
>>736220992>it's okay when my japanese animays do it
Quarren sex
is there an option to ignore all 3 sides, open up a dojo on a rich planet, and teach a bunch of rich kids how to swing a sword around for big fat money?
The force seems more trouble than it's worth
>>736219801"Grey jedi" don't exist you dumb nigger.At that point you're just a force user and probably a traitor.
>>736219827Fpbp
>>736219801Grey sith, retard
>>736219801Grey Jedi aren't literal neutrals though, just light side force users who operate outside of the jurisdiction of the order iirc
>>736221295What's stopping you from fencing right now?
>>736219801Grey Jedi, more like Gay JediAmirite?
>>736219801I'm kind of seeing myself in Grey Jedi... I dunno, it's just I think if you ask anyone who knows me, they'll be the first to tell you I'm just not bound by extremes like that. It's funny, sometimes people think they have me all figured out... then I totally surprise them out of nowhere. I'm not just passionate - I'm thoughtful. I'm not just nice - I can be a damn mean son of a bitch if someone crosses me. I'm just that kind of guy, and honestly? If you have a problem with that... well, a Jedi would probably hit you with some holier-than-thou spiel... a Sith would Force lightning you back to the stone age, but me? I'll just take it on the chin - that's who I am.
>>736221295You don't need space magic for this
>>736219801Gray Jedi is worse than any fanfiction SWTOR writing team can come up with.
>Muh greyMember when we had Dark Jedi?
Jedi are gay, everyone cool likes bounty hunters, clones, or droids
I'VE BECOME SO NUMB, I CAN'T FEEL YOU THEREBECOME SO TIRED, SO MUCH MORE AWAREI'M BECOMING THIS, ALL I WANT TO DOIS BE MORE LIKE ME AND BE LESS LIKE YOU
>>736219801The fact grey jedi don't actually exist is so annoying
>>736221803They do exist unfortunately, through Rise of Skywalker LukeIt’s always just>how atheists imagine they areVs>how atheists actually are
>>736221803Its a galaxy that even by the end of the EU still had vast, unexplored portions of it. Surely something similar to it exists or did exist, since Jedi and force user history has existed for thousands of years.
>>736221634More like take it in the ass lmao
>>736221874Inshallah, Muhammad.
"grey force alignment doesn't exist"*ahem* ENTER.actual grey force user not talking about her skin colour , not some jedi larper like ahsoka
>>736219801>You can have power through lifelong dedication, self-improvement, and inner balance>Or you can take the easy road, gaining power fast but being ruled by it, becoming a parody of yourself and what you stood for>"Oh umm but what if I just succumb to my impulses and vices a *little* bit? I just want to be cool and badass without having to work or sacrifice for it is all yknow">"Plus I want the good guy and the bad guy powers at the same time"Grey jedi fags are walking slopmeisters. They see children's fiction and want it sanded down even more before it can fit their putrid tastes.
>Dark Jedi>Grey JediIs it really so hard to come up with a decently named term for a Force user that isn't in one of the two spaz camps?At least "inquisitor" stuck as NotSith force user that wageslaves for Sith
>>736219801Light Sided Sith is the most interesting character to play as.>>736220156He is literally more of a self-absorbed egocentric holier than thou asshole than Vrook. He left the jedi because he thought he was more moral than they were because they were believed in mercy and he considered their mercy to be bad because it wouldn’t do anything to fix him feeling bad about himself for fucking up.
>>736222045Your gey Jedi sir
>>736220897So talking like that, it turns me on. Makes me crave diversity man-meat.
>>736222169There's plenty of these, Jedi just outnumber them significantly so most of the non-orthodox force users out there used to be Jedi
>>736222169unaligned force users exist and it's the best we have
There is no based, only cringeThrough cringe I will baitFrom bait I will get (You)'sAnd for the (You)'s I will shitpost
>>736221562Hematardation is a disease
>>736219801Grey jedi is the shittiest idea ever put into Star Wars. The whole point of the dark side is that it’s an addictive force that corrupts you, which is why attachments are bad.
>>736222117She's ugly
>>736220102>so I've heard you prefer Ahsoka Tano... I'll fix this
>>736219801>grey jediFanfic?
>I'M NOOTRAL!Lmao fucking Greyfags.
>>736222117I hate the night sisters so much, its unreal. Its the most retarded shit ever.l and only exists because George’s landwhale daughter was going through her wiccan phase.
>>736219801Sith seems like it leads to disaster for obvious reasons so its clearly only a retards path. But Jedi also just seems like it wound never work and also seems like "retard path but with extra steps".But end up sucking realistically. Which means that the lucas original trilogy showing good triumphing over evil without any overt influence from a jedi council was kino for showing the Jedi were flawed asf right from the start. That was always the intentionThe prequels just spelt it out more clearly
>>736220156Jolee is still a jedi after going to war against Exar Kun. Like others have said he will still stop you if you go sith.https://youtu.be/SAe3pIzuwT0
>>736219801>grey jedi
>>736219801Dark side jedi are based, Grey jedi are fags, light side sith are based, light side jedi and datk side sith are based.
>>736222928A Sith who uses his passions and powers to free others from bondage, resisting the temptation to go full retard would be a more moral person than a jedi.You don’t have to be a retard to be a sith. Most sith are retards because thats easier, but there is nothing inherently wrong with the sith code.
>>736219827fpbp
>>736220102which of the 6 star wars movies is she in?
Fuck all that shit just give me a yandere sith girl that uses the passion of lust instead of rage.
>>736223293HK47 explicitly says that lust isn’t a very strong passion for a Sith to draw upon.
>>736223126There were 7 theatrical Star Wars movies, thoughlbeit. She is in the theatrical Star Wars: The Clone Wars movie created and executive produced by the creator of Star Wars George Lucas. Hope this helps!
>Grey JediWhy not Grey Sith?Not really "grey" if you still lean to one ideology.
>>736223414>thoughlbeit>Hope this helps!What getting groomed on pisscord does to a man...
>>736223383>protagonist has a power set that isn't considered very strong in universe but is used in creative ways
What fucking retard decided grey jedi were a 'faction' with a fucking code of conduct? They're supposed to just be otherwise lightsided jedi that don't adhere to the dogmatic NPC bullshit the order demands of you, but retard fans think its an excuse for their Anakin self inserts to be force choking people without getting sith eyes or necrosis.
The force is gay I just wanna play as a Droideka
>>736221257I wish I was a young and vulnerable padawan taken advantage of by my buxom master.
>>736223481Sith are Jedi or at least were at some point
>>736223414>t.
>SHARTsoka tardsGo back to /co/
>>736219801>Gray JediThere is no such thing. Who would even qualify as a "Gray Jedi" in canon?>Ahsoka TanoShe is still a Jedi in everything but name. The most "non-Jedi" thing she has ever done was telling Vader she would avenge Anakin after he claimed he "destroyed Anakin because he was weak.">Pre-Darth Tyranus Count DookuDooku was already flirting with the dark side even before leaving the Jedi Order, and Qui-Gon served as his moral balance. Sometime after he left, he was approached by Sidious and began committing evil deeds intentionally (such as murdering people) even before officially becoming a Sith Lord.>Baylan SkollIt is still unknown what he truly is. He doesn't see himself as a Jedi anymore, he gave his apprentice a Padawan braid but explicitly says she isn't a Jedi either. He claims he "misses the idea of the Jedi Order, but not what it truly was or its weakness". He has no qualms about murdering people to achieve his goals, yet he seems to follow a certain code of honor. I'm fairly certain Filoni will have him either die redeeming himself or go full-blown evil.The dark side corrupts the user. You're either a Jedi (or Jedi-like such as Tano) or a dark sider (Sith, Nightsisters, Maul after renouncing the Sith Order, etc).
There are no "Gray Jedi", only Siths in denial.
>>736223098>A Sith who uses his passions and powers to free others from bondage, resisting the temptation to go full retardOh yeah becuase this worked out so well for Revan. And Palpatine. And Anakin. And...
>>736223098>A Sith who uses his passions and powers to free others from bondageDooku tried to do this, how did it go?
The trick about being a Sith is being so ultra fucking autistic that you can't get corrupted into doing that thing any more than you are now
>>736224004jedi and sith doesn't mean good and bad, they're religions gray jedi are rogue jedi who didn't turn to the dark side
>>736224004>>736224051>>736222759This is the reality of a “grey” Jedi >>736222197
>>736219801To be honest, this kind of shit is why Star Wars is garbage now. The instant the Jedi became codified as some kind of unified order with its own creed, all the magic was lost. It became just another bureaucracy. Same with the Sith.
>>736219801There is no such thing as a "grey jedi", just a reddit invention.>Le I'm such an above-it-all fence sitter!
No such thing as a grey jedi. Just silly fanfic bullshit.
>>736223827>>736220102https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkTibALwfNg
>>736222689is she?
>>736222375Im gonna feel sorry for Talonfags, seeing your waifu Filoni’d is a fate worse than death.
>>736219801>Coldsteel the Grey Jedi (He can use the dark sied without being evil!!!! ^_^)>DO NOT STEAL!!!!
>>736219801Facebook ass jpg
Jedi aren’t allowed to have sex. That’s all you need to know.
>>736226514Wrong. You aren't to be distracted by it.
>>736219921>he says while posting a sorceror whose ancient religion drives him to evilmaxxing
>>736222243The proper term is man-meat of diversity, chuddy
>>736219801Grey Jedi as presented here are pure fanfiction
>>736226450She is a kid in this, did you expect her to be in a microbikini?
>>736226685Shut up and let me suck big black cock in peace, daddy.
>>736219801red guys talking a lot of sense, blue guy is on some hippie shit and the centrist is fence sitting as is tradition.
I’m no Jedi. I’m just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions
>>736222117>grey forceNo such thing. The novel they dumped the cancelled TCW episodes' plot into says they're darksiders but they're not corrupt like the sith, because DONUT STEEL.Originally most of the Dathomiri witches were strictly lightsiders anyway, with only the one outcast clan (Nightsisters) being darksiders and physically corrupted into ugly hags, but this was subsequently retardized by other authors and worst of all the Filoni Show and Lucas' fat daughter.Pic related because the OG Nightsisters almost kill Luke by popping veins in his brain
>>736221634YOU. ARE. GAY.
>>736222745based
>>736226756Ahsoka was wearing slutty clothes in TCW. Were regressing.
>>736226450I'm just not gonna watch it like the rest of Filoni's slop.
what was worse for star wars, disney or filoni?
Remind me why people ever thought Filoni was good again?
>>736227270a few episodes of the clone wars were decentish, that's it
>>736227270Muh waifushit
>>736227484>the ugliest and most obnoxious female characters ever made>waifuswft?
>>736227270Nostalgia shit.
>>736227519/co/mblr tends to have a SHIT taste
>>736219827literally this, fucking fedora tipper cringe shit
>>736226450I dont think this is the same Twilek, unless they confirmed its actually her.>>736223481Sith were originally refered to as "Dark Jedi" and not all of them were necessarily galaxy-ending levels of evil. A """grey Jedi""" is just a moron who's confused on what to believe in because either the order's code does not fit their worldviews or the Sith's justifications for their evil seem too outlandish, all of them lean back into one side or another anyway.Ahsoka goes back to training and adventuring with Luke (at least in Disney's canon), Dooku eventually became a Sith because why wouldnt you after murdering one of your own masters.>>736227270When he was getting tardwrangled by George i thought his writing was decent. Its clear by now that he cannot lead a proyect by himself because when left to his own accords he just grabs his animation team and tells them to put together the most DevianArt donut steel fanfiction tier kind of tales>here's my super duper special squad of clone commandos with 0 personality but cool armor!>now that i have full control over her ill make my orange pussy OC do everything! be good at everything! fight everything!>ever wanted to know what spooky secrets my OCs are hiding behind them? tune into Tales of the Jedi/Sith!
>>736220156He is an actual Jedi.
good to know centrism still makes people seethe because midwits cant comprehend they can be either depending on the situation
>>736221393Settle down, Kreia
>>736227104It was a different time
do it for her
>>736219827>reddit, reddit, reddit
>>736227270Its one of those cases were there was nothing else available. Star Wars lacked animated properties period and people also missed the prequel era of worldbuilding and conflict. It only took many years and Filoni being handed the literal keys to the kingdom to realize he was shit and is killing Star Wars more than Kennedy ever could.
>>736227675Fun fact: Bad Batch characters were George's idea. They originally had two arcs in the cancelled seasons of Clone Wars. He basically wanted to do The Dirty Dozen with clones. The only reason the videogame clone commandos were at all in the show is because Filoni liked the game a lot and was friends with the people who made it, so he managed to put Delta Squad cameo and make Gregor a commando in the last moment.
>>736219827Based
>>736219801Jedi can only be "gray" in the sense that they disobey some rules of the order or have a tendency to disagree with the councils decisions and views, and also act accordingly. But this is more a matter of perspective and perceived "purity" in regards to how strictly a Jedi adheres to the code of the Jedi versus how much liberty he takes in diverting from or bending it. A non-grey jedi is simply a purist who would never allow himself things like emotional bonds, preemptive aggression (even if billions of lives could be saved though it) or abusing things like the mindtrick to his ends. Qui-gon is a counter example to this, he even tried to use his mindtrick on watto to make him accept a deal that would have potentially wrecked him financially (making him accept a worthless currency), which is kind of abusive if you think about it. Grey jedis are jedis who take morally questionable liberties when they think it is ultimately for the better. And in Qui-gons case, as he is strictly aligned with the living force, moreso than with the stupid rules of the order, he does it when the force basically tells him it is what he needs to do, making him actually a truer jedi than the holier-than-tho old farts of the council, who are stuck in their ways, blinded by arrogance and involved in politics. But they are not this "half-light half-dark" mary sue edgelord bullshit suggested in op's picture, they still see the dark side as something to stay away from.
>>736227897>>736227675bad batch was shit because of Omega, filoni and his obsession with mascot characters ruined the show
>>736219801Arent jedi actually supposed to be middle, and every time they become left they become decadent faggots that the force slowly works toward destroying for being faggots?
>>736228035>” And then the girl is revealed to be a female clone of Jango Fett and later shes also force sensitive and gets trained by Ventress who survived getting killed by General Grievous, Darth Maul and Count Dooku.”
>>736228035No, you're right. Bad Batch show was very shit. I was just talking about Bad Batch characters, who were created by Lucas long before Disney.>OmegaHonestly, what the fuck were they thinking? Single handedly killed the show.
>>736219801Sith cause you can use the force to blow up planets.
>>736228035Compared to the other clone characters he's written half the batch wasnt very likeable, the only 2 that got any development were Huntah and Grosshair. Omega was part of the issue yes but so was the fact they couldnt spend more than 2 episodes trying to develop a story. When you market it as a more "linear" tale than TCW and instead you end up interrupting the plot by shoving random "adventures" in the middle then its hard to want to follow this shit.Its a show with a confused identity, annoying or non existent characters and a director who's too far up his own ass.>>736228170Filoni cant go 2 seconds into a new show's script without having to focus the attention of the writing on his new super interesting female OC.
>>736227735Post girlcock
>>736224336>jedi and sith doesn't mean good and badLook at this small, useless motherfucker thinking a hard-binary system, that's designed from ground up to be hard and completely binary, offers some make-believe middle ground as """rogue jedi"""
>>736219801anyone who still likes star wars is also a disney adult who is impossible to be around without cringing
>>736227104Lucas understood Star Wars. People currently in charge don't.
>>736228170Reminder that Anakin wanted to kill the motherfucker who did this nose art of his wife.
>>736227735>General Redditvious
>General Redditvious
>>736219801>arrogant pseudopacifists that won't lift a finger until they've become laplace's demonvs>fedora tippersvs>power hungry megalomaniacs
>>736227270Well, the kids that grew up watching that trash grew up and became a large portion of the online fan presence. Same reason autismblox game is looked back on fondly now that all the spergs that loved it as underageb& have nostalgia for it.
>>736228794Is grevious a sith lord?
>>736229107No he just really hates Jedi because of a misunderstanding.
>>736219801SW is such a gay fucking libtard universe.Like why is nobody racist? All these weird fucks somehow live together in harmony and the enemy is a bunch of dudes who just declare themselves to be the bad guys? That's some shoddy fucking writing.Meanwhile Mass Effect was full of racism.You had space jews, you had space muslims, you had a sentient race of machines who kicked the muslims from the only planet they could inhabit. You had conflicts between the human and the turians, between the krogan and the rachni, between the krogan and pretty much every other race really. It was a fascinating and complex mess where every raced hated each other and they only kept the peace through lots of boring council meetings and careful deliberation.You had weird religious fanatics, race supremacists (you could even join the human faction of those), inter-species mating, bioweapons and genocide, all sorts of wild shit.
>>736219801Jedi are the ones who value1. Logic2. Discipline, and 3. GatekeepingEasily Jedi
>>736223830>Sith are Jedi or at least were at some point100%, in Legends the Sith Order was an offshot of the Jedi Order founded by a rogue Jedi and his followers c. ~7000 years before the movies. The rogue Jedi name was Ajunta Pall.
>>736229623Star Wars is a fairy tale space fantasy for kids. Mass Effect was designed as a serious grounded sci-fi. Star Wars deals more with the archetypal and mythological problems of objective good and evil. There is some racism, but it's mostly in the background and it is usually not the focus or driving force of the story. Some people and authors desperately want to turn Star Wars into serious, meticulously detailed science fiction, not realizing that it will never work because it was never designed to be that. It's just not what it is.
>>736229107No, he is not force user, so he can't be a Sith lord. He was however trained in lightsaber arts by an actual Sith
>>736219827FPBP
>>736229107No, just an assassin trained in the Jedi / Sith lightsaber combat employed by the separatists.
Filoni won
>>736219801The fact that they're called Grey Jedi but never Grey Sith just proves that they are reddit-tier fags who want to be good but also use the cool sith powers
>>736221295I don't see why not.Star Wars is basically wuxia with laser swords, so go ahead, open your own sect and pray the other two faggot clans don't pull you out by the roots like they've probably done to thousands of upstarts before.
>>736230891I don't like how they made the lightsabers look in the newer animated series, they're too thin and it looks weird.
>>736219827this, every time some "actually both sides bad" choice is added, it ruins everything
>>736230772>assassinThat's Ventress. Grievous is a general and the face of the confederacy. Heroes on both sides was referring to him
>>736229623Star wars had legal slavery
>>736229623>you had space muslims, you had a sentient race of machines who kicked the muslims from the only planet they could inhabitTali is quite literally a jewish name and their home system's name is quite literally a Herbew word.
>>736230891There was a season 1?
>>736231759Scheduled to premiere on Disney+ on April 6.
>>736230891He needs to confront Darth Vader at some point, the Inquisitors are fodder for someone at Maul's level.
>>736227270He made a solid to good (at least before the end) side media for a franchise that had issues at the time. He was lauded for it to the point where the people up top heard, gave him the reins, and let him steer into shitty waters. You could argue it went to his head or his worst tendencies were reined in by constraints or other voices when he was low on the totem pole.Interestingly, I realized that Ian flynn has pretty much done the same thing for sonic
>>736231107>I don't like how they made the lightsabers look in the newer animated series, they're too thin and it looks weird.Ahsoka series won.
>>736219801Star wars bros... how are we feeling on this?
>>736219801isn't this a total rejection of Lucas's ideas?
>>736232897Rebels' sabers for comparison.
Grey means failure to live by tenants becoming of one's station be it jedi or with, its to be a normie casual mundane without dignity or honor or conviction. it is to be confident in one's own failures, loser cope without any respect from oneself or others. it is to make up your own rules to live by and to live by inequity and ineptitude
>>736232982The setting grew beyond Lucas. All the autists who grew up with it wanted to expand it and more it more "realistic", so they could imagine being in it.
>>736233092So like original sabers?
If I’m playing a video game with branching choices, I’m going for the extreme of either end. I think centrism I’d stupid and produces mutt mindsets.
>>736232982Yes. The original idea was that Jedi were the balanced option, not a "light-dark scale" extreme. Somewhere along the line this was forgotten because "red vs blue" sells better and allows for more special snowflakes.
>>736219801I have no favorite, this is fantasy morality that I can't take seriously. Strength and power aren't vices that originate from a lust for violence.
>>736219801stupid EU shit.real Grey Jedi were good aligned Jedi who just disputed Jedi hierarchy and rules.this "Grey Jedi is a mix of good and evil!" is stupid EU shit that is thankfully not canon.
>>736219801I'm on team Qui-Gon
>>736220102>>736220156they are not hybrid light side/dark side users the way reddit and the EU make it.They are pure light side Jedi that disagree with the hierarchy and politics.Qui Gon Jinn is the posterboy for Grey Jedi in canon.
>>736233324Ultimately, it stems from Christian morality.Strength and power allow you to protect those you love from those who would do you harm for their own selfish desires.
>>736222169Force Ronin a sideless Force User that is aligned with neither the Jedi or Sith
Since gray jedi is a jedi that disagrees with the order would a black jedi be a jedi that opposes the order like the ones that split off back in the day?
Okay, what IS Kyle Katarn during Dark Forces 2, and before the finale of JKO? Jedi or Sith?
>>736219801>passion>strength >power>..But the dark side can heal. Have you heard the tale of Darth plagueis the wise?
>>736219801Reminder that the idea of "gray jedi" and "balance" directly contradict Yoda in the original trilogy and therefor are fake and gay. The "dark side" is not a literal thing, it's a way of using the Force. >Life creates it, makes it grow>the dark side is simply the concept of using the Force against life, thereby using the Force against itself>the dark side is thereby a cancer on the force, not a balancing mechanism, hence why its users must be defeated in the galaxy>any concept of "gray" shit completely misunderstands that there is just the Force and then using the Force against itself
>>736224004>Maul after renouncing the Sith OrderMaul never renounced the Sith, he still thinks himself a true Sith
>>736219801Why do the dudes who want no part in any order still need a code?
>>736227270Filoni is the Ian Flynn of SW.He's been here long enough to establish a voice and he's marginally better than what came before, but he's not actually good and relies on constantly dropping nostalgiabombs to keep the audience attached.
>>736233092>>736233639What's the difference between green and blue light sabers apart from the color?
>>736233869>The "dark side" is not a literal thingLucas has said repeatedly since ANH that it is. The Force is literally split into Light and Dark.
>>736219801The retard who wrote the middle doesn't understand the difference between the light and dark side is if you submit yourself to the greater power or try and wrestle power away from the greater power. The Jedi were decadent just like many Catholic monastic orders became, which in real life just had new orders that were focused on God being created to get back to the truth (like what Legends Luke did).
>>736234059The green tastes like apple and the blue is berry blast.
>>736234168quote him.
>>736232515The Maul series is clearly leading up to a final fight with Vader where he humiliates Maul so much he hides on that one Kotor planet until Rebels.The only thing I'm unsure about is whether Vader will kill the Twilek or not.
>>736234168>Lucas saidLucas said Greedo shot first. Lucas has contradicted himself constantly for fifty years. The texts are the only thing that matters.
Lucas word means nothing lol
>>736219801Grey Jedi have always been fanfic tier
>>736220102No she isn't
>>736232898Don't know what the fuck that is but going by characters alone>droid should be replaced with a different looking one>mandalorian and ex clone fill the same niche so get rid of one (probably the bounty hunter)>ayy jedi could use some less generic robes but he gets a pass for being an ayy>space suit lady is retarded. make her a full ayy or a full droidAnd for fuck sake give the protag better looking clothes. He looks like some drunk on his way to the gay bar in New YorkWith that said I have medium hopes as it's fighting the CIS apparently so it wont be that boring
The closest thing to a grey jedi in the movies is Mace windu, because he can channel the dark side of the force without getting corrupted by it. He would fit the "grey jadi" category perfectly if he didnt follow the jedi doctrine so feverously.
>>736219801I don't understand the Jedi code.
>>736234485>space suit lady is retardedThat's a umbaran dude, my guy.
>>736234713>Mace windu, because he can channel the dark side of the force without getting corrupted by itThis is some EU fanfiction bullshit. Nowhere in the movies was it ever said that he "channels dark side", and Lucas never ever said anything like that. He was a normal Jedi Master.
>>736232898>>736234485Kek Mr Freeze is actually a woman?What the FUCKI?Why aren't actual women allowed to exist in SW anymore? It's not even a gooner thing, just slap some haughty BPD bitch like Atris who doesn't even show any skin and you've instantly got a better character that also doesn't make you instantly realize that you're playing a Blackrock-subsidized game
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>>736234485>mandalorian and ex clone fill the same nicheOne is a shock troop and other is a line infantry. They fill different niches.
>>736234954Fanfiction bullshit that comes from books and comics, thanks for proving my point. Come back when you find this being stated anywhere on screen or by Lucas.
>>736234972>one man iinelolBut I meant design wise they look too similar and the ex clone looks like he'd be doing the same job as the mando. And then you have the protag who is also supposed to be doing something.
>Order 66>dump your lightsaber down a trash compactor>dump your padawan on the streets of Coruscant>walk away from the Jedi life entirely>cheat at gambling with the Force until you have so much money you can set up your own casino to hide in plain sight>call it a victory over the Empire and retireKai Hudorra came closer to truly being the neutral force user kind of grey than any of the "I can use light AND dark powers!" OCs from the games.
>>736234945Upon closer inspection it could be a man but could also be an androgynous old lady
why did Lucas like her so much?
>>736235225https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggo6OKeKNAYIt's a guy. >>736235142The mandalorian gets to use his jetpack whereas clone soldier doesnt. The commander is more of a support unit who can also buff allies and debuff enemies.
>>736219827Fpbp 'grey' is for pseud retards
>>736235232He was obsessed with Maul, she was just a female Maul and looked very good next to him visually + she's Black-coded + he's a massive gooner.
>>736232898I love Xcom type of games, but wtf is that cast?
>>736233267YepThe original intention was The Force itself vs The dark side of the force ie a misused evil application of the forceIt was later that it became The Light Side vs The Dark Side, which unfortunately is not just Disney but also something lucas leaned into to with stuff like the father son and daughter shit in clone wars
>>736235546>black-codedFound the American.
What if the force could be used for gooning instead haha
>>736235583>wtf is that cast?Its star wars. What did you expect?
>>736235806its prequel era so a lot more than that
I'm going to get flak for this, but >LeftMega stoics who don't understand that emotions are a part of the human (sentient, in the case of the Star Wars universe) condition. Denying them and trying to be some Marcus Aurelius LARPer whilst simultaneously being a superpowered Force-user with a weapon that can basically cut through anything is a recipe for disaster. Like being a cop and being bullied by your fellow cops for getting traumatized after seeing a family of four murdered in a horrific murder suicide.>RightStraight up evil. A twisted, misconstrued, misaligned interpretation of the Force that desires power above all else. I think we can all agree on this. A path that inexorably leads to self-destruction. >MiddleThe Carl Jung of Force of users. Those who understand that in a galaxy filled with monsters, you have to be tap intro your shadow self at times to fight against it all. A philosophy that isn't suffocated by the rigid dogma nor constantly drowning in their own miasma of bottled-up emotions/hypocrisy of the Jedi, but also isn't corrupted by the power-hungry Sith who strive for dominance above everyone by any means necessary. I can't speak on whether Gray Jedi are fanfiction or not, but I can reasonably assess that if this was the real world, their philosophy would have the most solid grounding and the best practical application for enforcing and proliferating peace throughout the galaxy.
>>736235896Well go ahead, Name the cast you would like to have.
>>736235648It's true. Look at her lips and nose. Twi'leks are also basically african. The first twi'lek we ever see on screen in Return of the Jedi was played by a black woman. Lucas literally wanted to cast Rihanna to play Talon in his sequels. He has massive jungle fever.
>>736235949characters who dont look like they came from the temu rebellion for starters. that garbage aesthethic is for post yavin shit
>>736234059in the EU (see: just KotOR) Blue is for Guardians (pallies) and green is for Consulars (wizards)
>>736229623In EU you had lots of racists, and not just on the Empire but on the rebellion too.
>>736235925There's nothing evil about the Sith. The Clone Wars was constructed as a deliberate example for Anakin to teach him just how superior and righteous the Sith way is, as Jedi ideology directly lead to the torture and deaths of billions.
>>736226129Yes, she is. Looks like a troglodyte.
>>736236151>there's nothing evil about the Sith, Palpatine just started it all to teach a lesson to one guy who wasn't even born when he first started scheming to overthrow the Republic
>>736236387He was a really important guy.
>>736236387>Palpatine started the Sith???
>>736236418
The only good S(oy)tarwars product of any kind is Republic Commando. All movies, games, books, and comics are complete shit except for Republic Commando.
>>736220102Whatever you say, Filoni.
>>736236463Was he though? Really? Besides "saving" Palpatine from Windu, what did Anakin do that couldn't have been replicated by Dooku?
>>736236601It's a shit game, tho. It came out after Halo, Doom 3, Half Life 2 and F.E.A.R. - it was obsolete on release, really embarrassing. It felt like shovelware. It was also very, very short. The whole game can be beaten in 2 hours. Good aesthetics, vibe and music, for sure. Stuck in a shitty game.
>>736236601Battlefront and Battlefront 2 for PS2. Gottem.
>>736236773>StarWars best product is an outdated shit gameThat stings
>>736236802battlefront 1 is better on xboxthere is also force commander and empire at war
>>736236740Potential man
Movies started with it being about good and evil and then it eventually turned into more lawful and chaotic. And with lawful vs chaotic obviously neutral is the way to go.
>>736227756As a day 1 TCW/Filoni hater I am vindicated again and again, to my dismay.
>>736236854I was more meaning the era of the game itself than actually for PS2, since I have to differentiate now with the NEW battlefront. Its not terrible, definitely still in that "gas station hotdog tastes like ass" sort of category. Where you know its not great but its okay to enjoy every now and then.
>>736228362the jedi and sith are organizations, a rogue jedi isn't a middle ground
>>736219801Gray Jedi more like Gay Jedi lmao
>>736219801wtf is a grey jedi? is that the jedi thats too cool for either side?
>>736236740Decent criticism of the prequels. We get 2.5 movies talking about how important Anakin is, but was it really that difficult to storm the jedi temple and kill a bunch of padawans?
>>736220102Would be hotter if she was topless and the lightsaber was covering her nipples
>>736227270I honestly don't know how anyone could look at that soft, squishy cowboy larper who's clearly furry-adjacent with his wolf obsession and say "yeah, THAT guy should run Star Wars."
>>736236740dooku had his own agenda and was unreliable and its hard to sell the number 1 enemy of the republic being the empire's second best man
>>736236740became vader
>>736232898>cast is basically "REMEMBER THE CLONE WARS?!?!"Dropped.
>>736233493Is there any equivalent for the Sith? A dark side user that doesn't go full swing into hunger for power?
>>736219801passion isn't bad, why do the jedi treat it as anything more than distraction to a mind attempting to be objective? And does that attempt at objectivity cause a horseshoe effect back to evil?
>>736237086Turning Anakin to the Dark Side wasn't Palpatine's main objective.Turning the Chosen One to the Dark Side was his victory lap.
>>736237460Well said, Grok.
>>736234168>The Force is literally split into Light and Dark.Even if Lucas did say this, every bit of evidence in canon suggests otherwise. The Force is like anything else. You choose how to use it. Using it in ways that are selfless and promote harmony makes you a Jedi. Using it in ways that are selfish are promote discord makes you a Sith.Final Fantasy III has a setting that works more like how people mistakenly think the Force works, where there's literally a "light and dark" side to the universe and both have to be kept in balance.
>>736237198Dooku was totally on board with the idea of creating the Empire. Anakin only wanted to save his wife and Palpatine couldn't even follow through on that, at least with Dooku he could be reasonably assured that he was following the Sith path. He got lucky (because it was a prequel) that Vader didn't murder him on the spot when he dropped that "oh I didn't save your wife you killed her" thing.
>>736237460At multiple points in the EU and Disney canon, he explicitly says making Anakin his apprentice is the final step needed for securing his goal of the Empire.
>>736237443DS users that aren't Sith are just called Dark Jedi despite not being Jedi at all
>>736237443>A dark side user that doesn't go full swing into hunger for power?Ventress by now? I can't think of anyone else in canon who fitsDarth Revan maybe?
>>736236463>>736236463>>736236463>>736236463
>>736237659Revan is a full-on Sith brainwashed by Vitiate in mouse canon
>>736237647The term 'Dark Jedi' predates 'Sith' by centuries and comes from when the first great uprising of Darksiders was a civil war in the nascent Jedi Order.
>>736236740Dooku was old as shit
>>736237783TORtanic predates Disney
>>736237571Anakin sacrificing himself and killing Palpatine brought balance to the force by removing all the Sith. The common interpretation of it by /v/ directly contradicts Lucas and the Original movies.
The only good "grey jedi" are really just normal jedi who aren't written to be boring retards.They're a symptom of how hard the prequels fucked the setting, that your jedi has to be some super-special third faction to actually have a personality.
>>736237783Actually, the SWTOR book about Revan states that he shook off the brainwashing but decided to conquer the galaxy anyway. I was thinking grey because he strategically left planets intact so he could take over and use them against the Emperor.Again, I can't think of any character fitting a grey Sith idea
>>736237358>Story set in the Clone Wars has Clone Wars character archetypesYeah???
>>736237571The force is basically a river. The Jedi go with the water's flow while the Sith build a damn.
redpill me on grey jedi.
I simply enjoy being the good guy who uses bad guy powers and looking cool as fuck while doing it.Seethe, Lucastards.
>>736238101And eventually that dam is going to collapse because it's built with shitty concrete by slave labourers. The Dark Side's adherents ALWAYS fail in the end because their way of doing things is inherently doomed, even without outside intervention.
>>736238024>They're a symptom of how hard the prequels fucked the setting, that your jedi has to be some super-special third faction to actually have a personality.They didn't. The Jedi were always meant to be dogmatic faggots to the point of fault. The fact people are too retarded to pick up on this and think that truly "good" Jedi like Qui-Gon, Jolee or Ahsoka have to be some secret third faction when they're literally all following the same archetype Luke set up in RotJ is mindboggling
>>736237848He's had cameos in their cartoons
>>736238151That's pretty childish. Man up and commit to being evil if you want evil powers.
>>736238151I enjoy being the bad guy who uses good guy powers to do the best for his people at a small scale while effecting wide range negative consequences for others
>>736238289Nice try, I don't want to look like a talking ballsack.
>>736226008pissed my pants when i first heard this
>>736237784>the Sith were founded when the Dark Jedi found a race of 100% force sensitive aliens called Sith and bred them out of existenceWhat a bunch of lads
>>736238295>Why yes, I think it's time for another LS Sith Warrior playthrough.
>>736228150Ohmeega herself isnt force sensitive. But her DNA is somehow the key for cloning force sensitives
>>736237358>"REMEMBER THE CLONE WARS?!?!"I mean, that's basically all that is left for SW.The 2010s post Disney takeover was "REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY?!" but the Sequel trilogy very much burned that ground and salted itThis led to a renewed wave of content for the prequels/CW, since those characters weren't tarnished as much. Just think how much Rebels and The Mandalorian almost revered CW.And I can't even blame Disney for continuing with it because their big attempt to make something new (High Republic/The Acolyte) crashed and burned.
>>736238218https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lpn1_ZLIIAYou mean this and it doesn't count because it never aired. Or finished.
>>736238659I mean, Andor worked. They just need to pick scripts that aren't pure shit. Mining TCW is not a good idea frankly
>>736237084In old canon they're simply Jedi that aren't beholden to the rules of the council, basically guys like Qui-Gon and Jolee that do what they think is right regardless of what the rules say.In fanon Grey Jedi are force users that mix the light and dark sides of the force without falling into either camp. This doesn't work because the dark side is a corrupting cancer that turns you puppy kicking evil in less than a day, and one of the Banite line of Sith, Darth Gravid, went insane trying to mix the two and set the plan back years.
>>736238218Bane and Revan weres in a deleted scene for the Mortis arc, or am I forgetting something?Which doesn't even make sense, Bane I get, but why Revan of all people?
>>736238151SW is explicit a setting where you get good guy powers if you're a good guy and bad guy powers if you're a bad guy. If you pivot to the other side, your powers swap. Stop being gay.
>>736238830If Force choke is good enough for Luke then it's good enough for me, fag.
>>736238803Bane?
>>736238149fake and gay
>>736238830So when Windu used his powers to crush Grievous' chest and lungs, permanently crippling him, was that a good guy power or a bad guy power?Keeping in mind using your powers to choke someone is meant to be explicitly bad guy power, and as a member of the Jedi Council Windu was explicitly a good guy.
>>736238896Is force choke even exclusive to DS users? It's just using the force to exert pressure on someone's neck. If Jedi can push/pull objects, they can choke a bitch.
I don't understand revan's goals, motivations, timeline of events, alignment, or powers. I played him as a dark side user who wasn't interested in ruling anything or the political struggles between the sith and Republic, but just wanted to amass personal force power like no one before and then fuck off. That last part fit well with his whereabouts being unknown in kotor 2, but everyone talking about him like he's this enigmatic legend made me hungry for answers.
>>736239049That was explicitly a dark side action and if he went around continuously exploding people's organs with the force, he would corrupt himself over to the dark side.
>>736229623The Empire generally hates ayys beaides Chiss and are supposed to be human supremicists but it’s never really focused or expanded on or even explained why. Palpy is just a racist chud I guess.
>>736238830Luke uses Force Choke and Force Crush (Dark Side powers)
>>736238830Nah that's retarded because what clearly defined good guy/bad guy powers are there in the movies?The only thing that's shown as a "bad guy" power is Force lightning, while Sith still do everything the Jedi do normally. What's to say I can't use lightning to short circuit a droid or a lock?
>>736239049>So when Windu used his powers to crush Grievous' chest and lungs, permanently crippling him, was that a good guy power or a bad guy power?That never happened, canonically speaking. Grievous never had his lungs crushed. I remember reading in some interview that Lucas said Genndy did not understand the mythology of Star Wars.
>>736237443not really. see the Dark Side of the force is said to be totally consuming, all they care about is power even if they went in with initially noble motives, they lose them in the process.Now are their Sith that oppose the hierarchy they're in? Yeah, because they don't want to be subservient they all want to be the top, the Sith Apprentices kill their master when they're strong enough.That's part and parcel for Sith. They're only loyal till they're strong enough to replace.Grey Jedi don't seek control, they disagree with the council and end up striking out on their own path, sometimes leaving the Jedi Order, but they stay "good" Jolee Bindo wanted to marry, the Jedi Order said no, so he left. Grey Jedi. Qui Gon disagreed with some rules, he stayed in, but never got to be on the council because of his rebellious nature, which aspects of are also part of Obi-Wan, and Anakin, and even Luke..... and they all got it from Count Dooku, who trained Qui-Gon, disagreed with the council, and then left the Jedi Order. Initially Dooku could be said to be a Grey Jedi... until he fell to the dark side and became a Sith... but it's telling that when Dooku thought he had a potential ally in Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon's apprentice who also has a defiant streak in him, he thought he could sway him and destroy Sidious, taking control himself.So still a rebel, but seeking to take control himself consistent with the Dark Side of the Force's controlling influence.Think of the Jedi Council/Jedi Order as Lawful Good, Grey Jedi as Neutral Good, and Sith are all Lawful Evil, just they want to be the law themselves.
>>736219801Grey Jedi were supposed to be good dudes that were simply feed up with jedi ritualistic faggotry and passiveness, like Kyle or Jolee, not some gay fedora tipping reddit moderators.
>>736239369>I remember reading in some interview that Lucas said Genndy did not understand the mythology of Star Wars.That's just Lucas being a pouty ex because he couldn't get Genndy to come work for him.
>>736232515we don't need to cram Vader into every single Dark Times piece of fiction
>>736219801Gaaaaaaaaay
>>736239160Revan always wanted to do right by the Republic. When he was a Jedi that was fighting the Mandalorians. When he fell to the Dark Side fighting the Mandies, it was replacing the Republic with something that could defend itself. In the aftermath of the Jedi Civil War it was tracking down the True Sith and dealing with them himself after he fucked up the Republic so hard.But always as the guy who thinks he knows better what to do than anyone else present.
>>736237443>Is there any equivalent for the Sith? A dark side user that doesn't go full swing into hunger for power?Darth Vectivus
>>736239160>I don't understand revan's goals, motivations, timeline of events, alignment, or powers.I'll try to summarize it>Jedi Knight>Mando War starts>Gets frustrated by Jedi inaction and joins the War on Republic side>Gets promoted to General/Leader asap>Defeats the Mandos by actually applying strategy and making sacrifices>Blows up their fleet in a big maneuver that Kotor 2 revolves around>Tracks down the Emperor>Brainwashed into being Sith>Conquers most of the Republic>Gets betrayed by his apprentice>Kotor 1 happensCanonically, he ends Kotor 1 as a Jedi once more, impregnates Bastilla (who's young enough to be his daughter) and fucks off to find the Emperor for round 2Most of the confusion stems from Kotor 2 glazing him like he's the greatest dude to ever live, which isn't helped by Kreia (who was his master) being Kreia
>>736239132>>736239342It's actually ambiguous if Luke used choke or not. The script did not specify it. But also, the point of Return of the Jedi was that Luke was slipping into darkness. His dark clothes and him almost falling to the Dark Side at teh end was meant to show that. Lucas even has Anakin on Mustafar quote Luke in Return: "You're underestimating my power". You can notice in the end that his tunic is slightly open, revealing the white clothing on the inside. So at any case, using Luke at the beginning of Return is not a good example.
>>736239516You people really overestimate how interesting your OCs and Star Wars in general is. Vader gets inserted because otherwise nobody gives a fuck.
Grey Jedi is someone like Qui Gonn and early Dooku. They believe in the "living force", which has elements of both jedi/sith. It is to a degree casting out the jedi council, and "going with the flow". Star wars rebels goes more into this with the living force creature. It's canon enough.
Daily reminder that the Force is a cosmic parasite that locks the stars in endless wars to sustain itself.
>>736239958Energy has no will of its own.
>>736239672>Luke was slipping into darkness>... by acting like a Jedi and trying to save his friend by negotiating with Jabba
>>736239773>everyone fucking loves Andor despite not even mentioning Vaderyeah?
>>736238830there is no such thing as "good guy powers" or "bad guy powers" that's EU fanfic wankery. It's not schools of magic.A good guy can force choke people if their motivation is just to protect themselves rather than to attack someone, Luke just makes the Gammorean pass out., he doesn't break their windpipe.a good guy could use force lightning perhaps, Yoda seems to be capable of it, it's just easier to tap into negative emotions to let anger give you enough connection to the force to do that sort of manipulation, and shooting lightning from your hands is a pretty aggressive thing, you're always trying to attack/kill someone when doing it.>a Jedi uses the Force for Knowledge and Defense, never to attackThat's the key, motive. Why are you wanting to shoot lightning? It's to attack. We've seen Yoda is able to do it, he just doesn't often because it's an offensive move, not defensive, and it probably requires more focus and skill to do it while calm and passive rather than raging with anger and hate.
>>736239958only high INT post itt
>>736239958t. Kreia
>>736239958>Star Wars if it were written by a JRPG writer
>>736240021You mean waltzing in and killing 200 people, including slaves and patrons. And don't forget innocent Rancor. I guess we all should fucking die because Han Solo was his friend.
Are blaster wielding jedi based or cringe?
>>736220102And she was a good friend
>>736239958except the "disturbance in the force" from Alderaan, pretty much refutes that completely?
>>736240265Are the 200 dead people in the room with us right now, Lucas?
>>736238151You cant even do this in KOTOR because it fucks your build.
>>736240058>a good guy could use force lightning perhaps, Yoda seems to be capable of itHe wasn't. He absorbed it and reflected back. Lucas specifically called lightning "Sith Lighting", a dark power in the audio commentary. Lightning is inherently hateful, destructive power. The only two people who had ever used it on screen were Dark Tyrant and Dark Insidious. If you pay attention it becomes obvious that it's the ultimate evil power used by evil guys. Showing Dooku using it shows us that he's as evil as Devil himself, and surprise: at the end of the film they reveal that Dooku and Devil work together and he is Satan's apprentice.
>>736240321oh noooo not the extremely challenging KOTOR games that require a highly tuned minmaxed build aiiieeeee
>>736240426Yoda is still projecting out lightning from his hands. But yes he gets the power to do it by defending himself from it.The Dark Side is not stronger, but it is an easier path.Anything a Sith can do, a Jedi CAN do, it's just much harder.
>>736240270It shows their desperation, after the order has fallen they resort to clumsy shit like this.
>>736238101This. The Sith are driven by the desire to control the Force while the Jedi are driven by the desire to let the Force flow as it will.The Sith want to control, package, and potentially sell the Force - or strip it from others, so that they can rule others. Jedi want the Force to flow naturally and touch everything, as it belongs to everyone.Yes, even a Force gambler is ultimately utilizing the Dark Side because you're using it for selfish reasons to lord over those who aren't touched by the Force.
>>736240270Extremely fucking cringe. The entire point of the sabre is to contrast with the modern weaponry.
>>736219801The term “grey Jedi” doesn’t appear anywhere in the movies.You can tell, because fans are so retarded as to think light and dark make “grey”Shadow Jedi was too edgy? LOL Reddit tier.
>The greatest Sith power is shooting lightning from your fingers>Any Padawan with a lightsaber can block it
>>736240270Cringe, but based only when Kyle does it.
>>736240536he's just reflecting it back, he's not generating it himself
>>736219801Video gaem?Also, that shit looks so cringe. Here, let me distract you- 6 7
>>736240426Force Lightning is often described in supplemental material as being concentrated hatred. As in, you're not using the Force to generate electricity and shooting it out of your hands, you're weaponizing your hate into a physical form and then shooting that at your opponent.
>>736240427Its not that its hard its just the game is flatout telling both gameplay wise and in-universe that trying to be some special snowflake who uses the powers of the opposing side makes you weaker overall.
>>736240536What he said >>736240686He was not generating it, he was merely REFLECTING it. They even animated absorbing bubbles in his hands. Watch the scene again. It's very obvious. I can't believe it has to be spelled out. Jedi cannot do that, because it requires tapping into hatred and Dark Side, and the Jedi don't do that. THE ONLY two characters in all of Star Wars on screen that have EVER used lightning are Dark Insidious - the ultimate evil incarnate - and his apprentice Dark Tyranus, a traitor to the Jedi Order, deceiver, schemer and murderer, who plunged the galaxy into war for the sake of power.
>>736240686he absorbs it, then pushes it back out. The source of the energy is fueled by hate, but if Yoda has the energy to use, he can use it.It's just harder to get that energy without seething.Kinda like how it's easier to punch through boards if you're angry and yell while doing it, letting Adrenaline give you the extra force and pain tolerance, vs doing it while calm and doing it with a passive mood.
>>736240839just pump your charisma like a good protagonist character with access to Persuade
>>736240270Resolutely based.Characters shouldn't be treated like invincible superheroes just for having a lightsaber, they should still have to think tactically and use every tool at their disposal.
>>736240270I want Jedi to use shields one day.
>>736240927Dark Vader could use Force Lightning in the Episode 3 game and it was cool as fuck
>>736240736>And Palpatine was not afraidPeak
>>736241078George should have given us a scene of Anakin frying one of the CIS leaders before he turns to the camera to reveal his Sith eyes.
>>736241078Lucas said once that Vader Anakin would be able to do it if he didn't become part robot.
>>736241078my theory is that because Vader's suit is a machine powered by electricity, using force lightning himself would damage his own cyborg systems, so he doesn't.after picking up Sidious and throwing him he absorbed a lot of extra juice and it fried his respirator so he was struggling to breathe and he was dying.
>>736240575wrong. The jedi/jedi council were rigid with the force, the only one who was one with the force, to let it flow naturally was Qui Gonn. He was hated by the order for this. He was the only one to master force ghosting, due to his affinity to the living force, not jedi "light side".I'd argue Luke was more of a mix between light/dark by the end of the trilogy, and in extended canon, depending on the writer, more of a living force user than the strict adherence to jedi order rulings. If the original trilogy was re-written closer to the time of the phantom menace, I bet Lucas would've made that clearer, to link up with the themes of Qui Gonn more anyway. And before I get extended universe is not canon, most of it was a okay'd by Lucas himself. The living force creature in rebels spells this out too.
>>736241395Qui-Gon has to be correct about the Force because he's supposed to be the first Jedi in a gorillion years to discover the secrets of the Whills and be granted entry to Space Heaven. Thus his understanding of the Force is above reproach.
>>736241283Thats not a theory, when Luke chops his arm off he can see circuitry and wires, mirroring his own cybernetic arm. Vader even before the prequels was said to have suffered a horrific event involving first degree burns.
>>736241395... That was the point of the Prequels, anon, yes. The Order had lost its way and needed to be destroyed to be re-introduced to the proper Jedi way. Doesn't contradict my statement.
>>736241662Lucas is adamant that "bring balance to the Force" was entirely Anakin destroying the Sith by killing himself and Palpatine. The Force did not need the Order removed. If it did it would have acted a lot sooner considering how many more Jedi there have ever been than Rule of Two Sith.
>>736241615First degree burns are the least severe. You're thinking third degree, hell maybe even FOURTH degree, which apparently goes all the way down to the bone. Seems about right for what Vader went through.
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>>736241901Would>dismembered by lightsaberCount as fifth degree burns?
There is no such thing as a gray Jedi and Lucas never intended there to be anything deeper than good guys and bad guys.
>Episode V>Vader tortures Luke's friends so that the reverberations through the Force cause Luke to disobey his training and come to rescue them>Episode II>Anakin senses the Tusken Raiders torturing his mother, causing him to deviate from his mission in an attempt to save herI'm starting to think this George Lucas cat understood how to rhyme pottery
>>736241395it was two schools of force theory among good Jedi though, the unifying force vs the living force. Both schools understood that both were essentially true, that the force is an all encompassing thing that bound the galaxy together, but also has a will of its own it's a living thing.It's just Unifying force proponents stressed the all encompassing nature while Living force proponents stress that the nature has a will of its own.It's a little like different theology stances contained within a particular real world religion, like in Christianity Catholics believe in salvation by good works, Protestants believe in salvation by unmerited grace. Both will agree that a Christian will do good works, a Catholic will say that they are getting saved by doing those works, a Protestant will say they're doing those good works because they're already saved. Both will agree that good works are important, just what role they playIn the Unifying Force vs Living Force debate though, most Jedi (and Unifying Force was the dominant theology in the Jedi Order) that they just "became one with the Force" their identity gone, essentially Buddhist Nirvana.While Qui-Gon, a Living Force believer, showed that you can maintain your identity in the Force, and so Qui-Gon's students, and Yoda who learned about this particular aspect from Qui-Gon, could retain their identity after death.
>>736241901Ah you’re right yeah. I get them mixed up.
>>736241615no we know he's "more machine now than man" that wasn't the theory. the theory is that Vader was capable of using force lightning, just if he did it it'd severely damage him so he doesn't.
>>736241889If the Force didn't want the Chosen One to test the Jedi while also destroying the Sith, it could have dropped him into a virgin on a core world. Instead it dropped him into a woman in the Outer Rim and fated him to enter the Jedi Order at an age where his life experiences would challenge the Jedi Dogma (and ultimately destroy it so it could be remade).And if George didn't want the Force acting like a deity with agency, he shouldn't have framed the guy who thought it was as being the perfect Jedi who got into Jedi Heaven.
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>>736220102>Filonishit>canonThe only canon is what Lucas made. Everything else is bullshit fanfic.
>>736241964>Luke vehemently believes there's still good in Vader while Obi-Wan and Yoda tell him he's irredeemably evil>Luke is ultimately proven rightSo Lucas didn't write Return, is what you're saying? Because Vader's redemption shits on the very concept of "there's only good guys and bad guys".
>>736227730DLSS5 Lana Beniko
>>736221257are.. are those squid suction holes at the tip of her fingers ?
>>736242218>if Luke listened to Yoda and Obi-Wan and killed Vader, he would either become Vader himself or simply be killed by Palpatine, dooming the galaxy foreverPrequels Era Jedi Order btfo againYoda really is the worst Jedi Grandmaster to ever live. Allowed the Sith to destroy the Jedi and conquer the galaxy, and then his solution would make it worse.
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>>736242218redemption is different than the EU fanfic wankery make out of "grey Jedi"Redemption is they were dark but then repent/turn over a new leafthey become good again.Grey Jedi is closer to a Knight Errant or Ronin Samurai, someone who's supposed to still be good, just without a ruling hierarchy over them.
>>736242423>Grey Jedi is closer to a Knight Errant or Ronin Samurai
>>736242213Lucas made it, bro>>736223414>>736228448
>>736242371>Do or do not. There is no tryImagine a teacher actually saying this to you. Frankly I'm surprised Anakin didn't run him through sooner
Objectively speaking why is the Jedi boosting their own numbers through strict sex or even sperm donations frowned upon? If 1000 Human Jedi banged 1000 women theres a chance at least 50 of those kids will turn out force sensitive. Do this for 10 years and you easily get 500 Jedi to train. Now imagine if they did this to 10 more partners.
>>736242537well it's what Qui-Gon was and Dooku were before Dooku became Sith.it seemed like it was possible to leave the Jedi Order willingly, and just live on your life being Jedi trained but no longer with the legal authority of a Jedi Knight.
>>736242631Because if you get 1,000 human jedi to bang 1,000 women you're going to end up with at least one Anakin. Probably a lot more desu
>>736242631This kind of thinking is why gooners can never be Jedi
Filoni is the single worst thing to happen to Star Wars as a franchise and you cannot prove me wrong.
>>736240270Based, be more like Kyle
>>736233493>>736233390"Grey jedi means I can use dark side powers... as a treat..." "I'm so conflicted and capable of cruelty... if I really need to" Deranged anti hero nonsense. Spawned from comic books of the era. "The anti hero" as a concept needs to be destroyed in its entirety. >>736233415Qui Gon jinn is literally just a jedi. He's jedi orthodox as opposed to the realist political bureaucrats of the modern order
>>736242414>>736221257oh god, it isjust imagine...
>>736242797Filoni is definitive proof that just because you’re a superfan doesn’t mean you can make good content. Imagine if /v/ was put in charge of franchises like Jurassic Park, Breaking Bad, Resident Evil, Lord of the Rings, Mario, God of War, Godzilla, Marvel, Dragon Ball, Star Trek and more. They would be Dave Filonis, killing all of these IPs one at a time.
>>736242631The Jedi aren't interested in artificially boosting their numbers just for the sake of having more Jedi. That's something a selfish Force society would do in pursuit of amassing more power and authority.
>>736242797That's a dishonest thing to say when the sequels, acolyte, kenobi, book of boba fett, karen traviss, troy denning, dark empire, and a lot of other terrible, outright disrespectful and hateful stuff exists. You're hyperbolic like a hormonal maximalist teenager.
>>736242957putting /v/ in charge of Jurassic Park literally could not be worse than Jurassic World
>>736219801SWTOR Light side Sith Warrior > all of them
>>736242631Because 50% of those kids would wind up being dark siders because the force wills or or whatever dumb bullshit
>>736242991>sequels, acolyte, kenobi, book of boba fett,Half of your list are things that were poisoned by Filoni's influence, and the other half were from before he came into any position of authority.
>>736243043I went LS Sith Inquisitor and fucked my Temu Ahsoka apprentice. Good times.
>>736232898Did Mr Freeze get isekai'd into SW?
>>736243018There would be a scene where the main actor gets bedroom eyelash winks from a female raptor. There would also be a scene where the dinosaurs evolve to say the word nigger for no reason whatsoever. The ending would involve the surviving humans, raptors and a tyrannosaurus dancing to “Never Gonna Give You Up” by Rick Astley.
>>736220013hating yourself is not good schlomo
>>736243321Better than anything since Jurassic Park III
>>736243018you guys really exaggerate how bad that movie was. it didn't actually do anything particularly wrong, its like a 7/10
>>736242631Because contrary to fan speculation, force sensitivity isn't genetic. It is decided by amount of mediclorians in a living being's body which is never said to be decided by bloodline. Instead it is more likely that mediclorian count is tied to destiny as the force picks the people that it wants to enact it's will.
>>736232898cautiously optimistic. I hope we can make custom Jedi.
>>736243504Wow I wonder why people think that it's genetic? Could it be because the two main characters (also the most important, interesting, and impactful people in the entire setting) are father and son? Fucking pseud
>>736235232>cutting off her head protrusions and arms to fuck her without bleeding outUnf
>>736243483it's one of the worst big-budget movies ever made
>>736243504It makes the most sense for midichlorians to be a biproduct of the force being strong in someone. An indicator of their strength with the force. But not the cause. Yes I know midichlorians are canonically the cause as far as the movies are concerned.
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>>736243596It's got big dinosaurs chasing people. What exactly is so bad about it, I don't even remember any writing errors jumping out at me, though I haven't seen it in quite a few years now.Above average compared to most hollywood shit in this era that's brown communist fanfiction
>>736242912Antihero is legit it just has no real role in the force theology of the Jedi.an Antihero is a guy who does the right thing for the wrong reasons. So he's a hero, but atypical. Han Solo is an antihero.. does the right thing.. but the motivation is money until Chewie (the closest thing to his conscience) changes his course.
>>736233630That is usually called a Dark Jedi or a Fallen Jedi
>>736243504>fan speculationLucas did nothing to stop the EU making all the children of Luke/Mara and Leia/Han being Force Sensitives
>>736243627Yep. Qui-Gon describes Midichlorians as being the tool the body uses to translate the Force. But all issues (for as much as there are issues with a concept that appears in like 4 lines over three movies) would go away if they were just indicators. Midichlorians show up in people with high Force Sensitivity because they are drawn to Force Sensitive people.
