WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
japanese niggas have tentacles
>>736228608"Let's make the most precise analog stick of all time so that F-Zero X will work as a game""Oh shit I didn't think of the stick slowly grinding down on the fucking plastic bowl"
>>73622860830+ years later and retards still can't comprehend that you don't need to hold all three parts of it. It's actually inovative and genius in design, but you can't give gold to a Jeet and expect him to understand its value.
>>736228608Two controllers in one.
>>736228608Its an M for Mintendo
>>736228608it's such a good controller do retards think its bad because it looks bad?
>>736228829>can't use the dpad, analog stick and face buttons at the same time>good controler
>>736229304>can't do [thing that you never need to do]so?
>tendies are still defending this shit
>>736229304what 64 required you to use the d-pad?I literally never touched it once when I was a kid
>>736229564>>736229819>can't use d-pad for items>have to use the C-buttons instead>this leaves you with only 2 face buttonsNintendo knew what they were doing in terms game design so this wasn't a huge issue, but for things like the Zelda randomizers, it was hell. So many times I wanted to roll to destroy a crate but ended up talking to an NPC instead because both actions use the same button.
I'll take my hundreds of millions in cash now, Nintendo.
>>736230251>somebody wrote some software 30 years later that doesn't work great with itthis is not a legitimate complaint. you absolute dumb fucking retarded nigger
>>736230397Kinda sucks for 2D games, though, having to stretch your thumb like that.Also, no handles would be a downgrade.
>>736230397Trying to press the Z button
>>736230628Try not having infantile digits.>>736230650Moved behind L button, additional space to the housing added.
>>736230409Just because Nintendo managed to work around the issue doesn't mean it's not there.A reachable dpad would have allowed the C-buttons to be more useful. Most N64 games only had A and B to work with, in practice, and I'm sure that limited what devs could do.
>>736228608>Mogs the 64 controller
>>736228608The consensus seems to be that you alternate between the stick and d-pad depending on either the complexity of the game's controls or how broken the stick is.
Not being able to use dpad and analog stick at the same time is retarded, but I love how big an comfortable this controller is.Modern controllers are all made for handlet faggots. Something like this would be peak and I'm being 100% serious.
>>736230934>Just because Nintendo managed to work around the issue doesn't mean it's not there.that literally is what it means.they designed their controller for their console to work for their games. it works precisely as intended.
>>736230974unc really played on this? no wonder girls laughed at you
>>736228608It's still one of my favorite controllers
>>736230787>infantile digitsYou got it backwards, it's adults who would struggle with it.Stretching your thumb as a kid for hours is more than doable. As an adult, you'll have to stop after a few minutes due to how sore it gets.
>>736228608It's not a bad layout, you either use the dpad or the stick, it just sucks they had no answer to the dualshock.
t'was hard to conceive in 1996
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>>736231463What happened to the select button?
>>736231286Looks horrible for 2D games.
>>736231543Looks can be deceiving, because it works perfectly fine for 2D games
over the lifespan of the n64, what % of women do you think used the controller to masturbate?
>>736228608How is there no porn video where someone uses this as a dildo? Defend this tendies.
Why THE FUCK is it impossible for someone to make a modern replacement stick with the same range as the original?
>>736231114Seems like you have a way to find problems with everything, and should just shut the fuck up and find a different hobby that doesn't have to cater to every insane goalpost move you make.Fuck you
>>736231524Select was already losing its purpose back in SNES days. It was originally meant to select difficulty/game modes. Anyway, you clearly wouldn't be able to reach it comfortably during gameplay with N64's layout
>>736229819Kirby 64 requires it instead of the stick, it’s the only side scroller I played on it growing up so not sure if that was standard across the board. I also preferred it for Resident Evil 2 since it made it play closer to the PS1 version.
>>736231604doubt it, 360's was already bad and had a similar layout
>>736231623>>736231632Nintendo is a wholesome company for families, get out.
>>736231114>As an adult, you'll have to stop after a few minutes due to how sore it gets.Not true if you aren’t retarded and learned to stretch as you get older.
>>736231696Chinks don't care as long as it works. Just get that one that replaces the original parts with metal ones.
>>736231623>>736231632women doesn't play video games, specially not at the timealso doesn't fit well, try to shove it in your crotchcould work with a rumble pak™ tho
>>736231114just say your are a fat slob
>>736231463It's mind boggling that people can't figure this out. Literal can't rotate the apple in their mind tier retards.
>>736231061They built it for SM64. Every other game had to work around it.
>>736231623>>736231632The other two handles prevent you from pushing it too deep. Not viable.
>>736228608>You do not need 2D or 3D controls at the same time>It is optimal for ergonomics to be properly suited to 2D and 3D>They did not have wireless tech and having a separate controller mold would be more expensive and maybe people just wouldn't buy the analog stick controller or developers wouldn't use it>They didn't know if analog 3D would be more than a gimmick in game sales compared to 2D or 2.5DThere you go.They refined this later on with the Wiimote with its extra nunchuk, allowing the controller to be used with an analog stick, used as just an ergonomic motion controller with pointer or held sideways for 2D.>>736230251Why would you sacrifice ergonomics for this gimmicky shit? It's a console controller for early 3D, you don't need a million buttons and if you do, then go play a PC game.The average modern dual analog control scheme uses zero face buttons for anything important.
>>736231061>it works precisely as intendedIt sucked and I'm glad we're getting ports to PC because playing FPS games with a 64 controller was not fun.
>>736232549>Wiimote is an improvement over the N64 controllerThe average zoomer tendi, everyone.
>>736228730Exactly. D-Pad for highly precise 2D games/menu navigation and omni-directional for emerging 3D games.
>>736232906Why are you playing an FPS on it anyway all the good ones were on PC anyway already.>but muh goldeneyeI said the good ones.
>>736231524Became the Z button.
>>736228608Basically they were cowards.They didn't know if people would like this new analog stick idea, so they hedged their bets and made a controller where you could use either the control stick or the D-pad so everyone would be happy.
The N64 traumatized me.I'm old now, so I don't give a fuck about almos anything anumore. But when I see people defending the N64, it pisses me off.That thing was so bad, holy shit.It's like an entire generation grew up swimming in pools of liquid shit, and you think, "Well, now they've grown up, they must have realized how bad that part of their childhood was" only to see that they're still nostalgic for swimming in shit.
>>736230974What does our next-gen system need? Oh, I know: fewer buttons!
>>736234793That's cool and all until you compare stuff like Vigilante 8 that looks 10x better on n64 and runs at 60fps while the PS1 struggle with sub 30s. Porting work was simply garbage back then and they didn't put a lot of effort into platforms that weren't the main one.
>>736234963I mean, the system with fewer buttons outsold the Saturn 10 to 1.Can't blame them for trying to course correct.
>>736234793>shovelware #3543513544 looks bad on the N64
>>7362349636 face buttons was never going to catch on.
>>736234793Most N64 kids just played first party and second party games and these were top tier. It's not hard to understand why they are so nostalgic.Just check the top 20 best selling N64 games, it's all Nintendo and Rare.
They were thinking "let's make the coolest-looking controller fucking ever with zero regard for functionality". And they succeeded.
>>736235737>it's all Nintendo and RareYeah those were the only games worth playing. Everything else was shovelware.Played a lot of shitty shovelware games back then because my parents took us to Blockbuster every weekend to rent a couple games, and we had no idea what was good or bad.
>>736234793Both sucked in different ways. N64 was blurry as fuck, PS1 had jaggy edges and warping textures. In any case, PS1 was better because the games were a lot cheaper.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaG0qPp7Y0
the only bad thing was the durability of the analog, we always had that one friend that came over to play and fucked it up
>>736236125You also have to remember that we were playing these on CRT monitors which changed how it looked.
>>736229819Kirby 64Pokemon StadiumMischief MakersRainbow Six
>>736233537>refined =/= improved
*appears from nowhere**obliterates tendotoddlers**doesn't elaborate*>>736228730>geniusYou fucking retard.
>>736228608I remember the N64 kiosks in stores always had the controller with the stick that was completely unusable and they barely ever switched out the controllers because they were lazy and you'd see retards trying to use it and would give up after like 10 minutes
>>736234793N64 looked better to me on CRT, PSX always had extreme aliasing and broke the way games could take advantage of fuzziness to look good
>>736236726>appears out of nowhere >literally a snes controller with extra shoulder buttons
>>736236726The dualshock was an elaboration.
>>736236726No, that one is little more than a SNES controller.The Dualshock controller was the one that changed the game.Controller layouts have barely changed since.
>>736237303You are mindbroken. Go and buy a Playstation as therapy.>>736237624The absolute cope.
>>736231046lul
>>736238602Don't fucking remind me, anon.Please.
>>736235880It's literally the most functional. Games that relied on the d-pad weren't compromised, while they still added a stick, which was a novelty at the time. Dualshock is only better because it has 2 sticks and 2D games completely fell out of fashion at the time, you'd have like 5-6 platformers worth mentioning from 5th gen.
>>736236726lol the PlayStation controller did fuck all, it was basically a SNES controller with grips. Dualshock is the one that obliterated Nintendo by having 2 sticks and rumble on a single package.
>>736236726it did absolutely nothing special, now this abomination revolutionized controllers and was refined into the dualshock, which was just superior to anything at the time.
>>736240345>tfw never seen one of these in the wildwere they japan only?
>>736240345That shit was not better than >>736230974 .
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>>736230974Reminder that this controller had hall effect sticks. The industry has had anti drift technology since the Sega Saturn and they REFUSE to use it.
>>736240520I always hated the PS1 controller, with or without analogs, because I find it uncomfortable. Also 6 face buttons = better for fightans.
>>736228608It was console pushing 3D to the max. With this controller you have 3 handles with 3 different grips, playing pokemon stadium with this was a blast. Too bad their analog stick is a complete piece of shit.I wish someday 8-bit-do would make a copy of this controller and the GC controller so I can flawlessly emulate the crap out of nintendo games.
>>736240648>making product without planned obsolescence
>>736240436No, but US/EU versions had no rumble and it only lasted a year or less in the market before being replaced by the dualshock.
>>736236726>appears out of nowhere>literally the controller for the Nintendo Playstation add-on that was discarded by Nintendo.
>>736228608it's a standard snes controller crossed with a joystick, aka the two most common input methods of the early 90s. dual sticks hadn't been tried yet and the ps1 didn't launch with them
>>736228608"Lets make the most keyed controller ever that will trigger all the trannies btw fuck niggers" - shigeru miyatoto
>>736240648Because precision and deadzone of those were complete shit back them. Even recent HALL effects have issues, that's why the Deck didn't had it. TMR came and saved HALL from obliteration. TMR has the same precision common sticks have without getting drift from using it.
>>736240648>future proofing a controller beyond the lifespan of the console its made forlmao
>>736240828Notice something familiar here?
>>736240648What if I tell you the first ds3 controllers had that magneto whatever tech that is supposedly better than hall and is the hot thing nowThey are doing that shit on purpose, potentiometers are flawed and WILL die and that's exactly what companies want
>>736228608AAAAAASSS
>>736228608Ok faggots. Let's suppose Nintendo saw the DualShock and decided to put another stick in their controller too. How would it look?
>>736228608Was made for women and little girls. You slide the middle part in the vagina and the other in your anus, then let it rumble with the rumble pack.
>>736228698Fr fr senpai
>>73622873030+ years later and you still can't comprehend that having to hold a controller by a part in the middle feels awkward as fuck. Especially if you're playing a game that makes use of both a stick AND d-pad (in other words >>736233863 is a retard as well)Pic related. It's the approach that every console dev ended up using. Including Nintendo. If the N64 layout was good it wouldn't have been completely abandoned by everyone.
>>736240943The thing is, drift happens before that. They are very aware of this, which is exactly why Sony released that expensive Pro controller exist with replaceable sticks. They created a problem and are selling the solution, but they will never fix the problem.
>>736228608When I was a little kid I liked imagining there were these little gnome creatures tasked with beating a N64 game and they had to work in tandem to operate the controller. Like having a bunch of them wrapping a rope around the joystick to move it around, or having a gnome with a very large head smash its forehead against the Z button from below
>>736240987>make controllers that won't drift>realize that no one is buying extra controllers anymore because gaming with friends moved online instead of in person where you'd need 4 controllers>make controllers that will drift so you can sell people multiple controllers againThanks Obama.
>>736228608They weren't.
>>736238253>gets btfo>UM UM COPE! THERAPY!Imagine shitposting over a console war that ended decades ago, pathetic.
>>736240986Dear God
>>736241281Obama did the same thing but with cars
>>736240986>>736241352how did sony get away with it?
>>736241175>feels awkward as fuckmaybe for a limp wrist baby handed individual such as yourself
>>736241175This design is so shit, it's the only one that hurts my fingers after enough use.
Seeing people having issues with this controller up to this day is funny to me.The analog stick wearing out is the only issue I had with it.>>736234793Ahahaha
>>736241551look at this damsel
>>736228608it just works
>>736241486>thinks it's about the wristYeah you don't get it. Do continue to not get it for another 30 years. Meanwhile everyone will continue to use the layout where your thumb has immediate access to both a stick and a d-pad at all times.
>>736231623Couldn't say the percentage but I'm definitely a statistic. I used to call it 'The Rumbling'. AoT owes me money.
>>736241834attack on titan?
>>736241809My brother in christ it’s just a saying (and a pretty common one at that) but thanks for letting me know I can stop engaging with a literal child before this goes on much longer.
>>736241551>It's the approach that every console dev ended up using.Not quite. There's 2 evolutionary lines for modern controllers. The Dualshock and the Dreamcast controller, which became what the Xbox line of controllers followed(with an extra stick attached). Nintendo dropped the ball with controllers during the generations where controllers were changing for 3D games, the Gamecube controller was actually comfy as hell but Nintendo dropped the design and then went schizophrenic with their controllers. The Wii Pro controller was like the Dualshock, then the Wii U pro controller was symmetrical but with the sticks up top instead and then the Switch 1 and 2 controllers are asymmetrical Xbox styled controllers.
>>736242028Nintendo always innovated with controllers. They invented the d-pad, shoulder buttons and analog sticks all in a row. Other companies always followed suit. They also invented motion control gimmicks that everyone poorly copied.
>>736241989See if you were actually being literal it would have at least meant you were making something resembling an argument. Instead you're just not saying anything at all.
>>736242028the saturn can never get a win
>>736242657Correct, what else is there to say about a 30 year old controller at this point other than “I like it” or “I don’t like it”.
>>736228608its for femoids so they can enjoy themselves when gayming
>>736228730Turok and Duke3d sucks on N64 precisely because of the controller. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are barely playable.
>>736238253Hey pony, want a sugar cube?
>>736243075When I was a kid the first console FPS I played was Turok 2. Since the standard had not been set yet I didn’t have to rewire my brain to use the c-buttons for movement and assuming it wasn’t worn to shit yet aiming with the stick was nice. I actually just played through my physical copy from when I was a kid and didn’t take long for that muscle memory to kick back in. Not needing a second input to manual aim felt so much better than what goldeneye did.
>>736241175Sony only uses this atrocious design because they have a copyright on it. Everyone, even Nintendo, uses the xbox gamepad since 2000.
>>736242216long grip is long
>>736243609because they can't use the copyrighted one ;^)
>>736243701There’s nothing stopping Nintendo from going back to symmetrical sticks, they had them for the Wii and Wii U, they just choose not to.
>>736243609Well...
>>736244083The pro controller design was shit, worst of both worlds.
>>736243609The xbox gamepad IS the dualshock layout. The only difference is how bulky the gamepad is and whether you decide to put one stick above the buttons instead of below. The fundamental concept of having two sticks with buttons on both sides and four shoulder buttons at the back is the same. I'm just citing sony's design because it was the first to do that layout. The main point is it's the layout that every console dev has realised is best since they all attempt their own legally distinct take on it.
>>736242292>They invented analog sticksSaturn's analog pad literally released at the same time
>>736245263Months after the N64 controller was first revealed.
>>736236726>No analog stickDisgusting
>>736230397>>736230787>Moved behind L button, additional space to the housing added.NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN!!!
>>736245263The Saturn pad using Hall Effect sticks means it was way better than Nintendo's horrible implementation too.
N64 controllers look like star fighters and I used to hold them and make *woosh* sounds swinging my arms around
>>736241175>30+ years later and you still can't comprehend that having to hold a controller by a part in the middle feels awkward as fuck.No it doesn't. It's so light you barely notice the uneven weight distribution. And let's be honest, how many games back then would need BOTH the d-pad and analog stick, if not for just some menu/item/toggle buttons that you only need to use occasionally?The DS1, 2, and 3 are all sensible controllers but share one fatal flaw in their ergonomics, where you can't comfortably wrap your palms around the handles and be able to have full motion of the control sticks. The DS4 eliminated that problem very effectively, thankfully.Also, those mushy ass pressure sensitive buttons can go to hell. I'm so glad they've moved past that.
>>736242292Someone should post that old image full of examples debunking this narrative that "Nintendo did it first"
>>736246829Nobody even posts that old neofag bait anymore. It's too obviously full of snoy seething.
>>736245713>No it doesn't. It's so light you barely notice the uneven weight distribution.It's just awkward, it's not about the weight, but thanks for acknowledging that as a factor as well.>how many games back then would need BOTH the d-pad and analog stickIt wasn't long until shooters started using the d-pad for weapon switching. In any case this is still acknowledging the shortcoming. Especially when you consider that game devs probably had to design their games so both weren't used precisely to work around said controller shortcoming.
>>736246882But it's true. They chose what someone else had already done, improved, and popularized. But because it's "Nintendo", that gave them the status of creator, but they are only innovators in the vast majority of cases.
>>736228716It never did that for me. We didn't have mario party though.
>>736247937I can say with 100% certainty that nobody in Japan ever held one of those retarded disc controller things that image peddles as "da true first d-pad". It's full of hilarious reaches like that because it was made by a gigasnoy back in the PS3 era.
dae think this sucked major ass?
>>736248096it's surprisingly comfy and the wavebird fucks, shame about the lack of rumble in the bird though.
>>736248096It was great for the games that were specifically designed for it. For everything else it was dogwater
"it's just a snes controller"OK, seething retards. SONY won.
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>>736248096I liked the unique buttons with shapes. The C-stick was bad, another case of Nintendo not having confidence in the control stick. The triggers kinda sucked and there was only a shoulder button on one side for some reason. And they hadn't invented the control stick button yet. What was the first controller to have that?
>>736248096Actually a really solid pad for fighting games in general and a great speedrunning controller.
>>736248578That's just because practically everything in the 2000s was dogwater, since they were desperately trying to somehow backport vastly more capable PC control schemes to ewaste plastic controllers with none of the necessary precision or flexibility of mouse and keyboard.Anything that was designed for it was totally fine, because those were the only good games on consoles anyway.
>>736248096Lots of people love this thing but I never liked it. The C-stick was obviously stupid the day it came out instead of a real second analog honestly, and 3 shoulder buttons is likewise some real stupid shit. I liked the face buttons fine though, I would be fine with that layout as an alternative controller pattern to this day. Lots of games emphasize one button far more than the other 3 and it works pretty well.
>>736228608My guess is they didn't want to put all their eggs in one basket. If 3D games bombed the controller would allow them to pivot back to 2D games easily.Smart buisness decision but absolutely nonsensical from a consumers perspective.
>>736228608The controller was specifically made for mario 64.Its use in any other game was not considered.MIyamoto spent years and millions on R&D on that thing, which is why they shit-canned him into a supervisory/hands off role and never let him direct or design anything else ever again.
>>736249584I don't really think anyone had a problem with its design at the time. It looks weird but the second you hold one it's natural and no one complained as a kid about it. The fact it's striking and weird looking honestly made it more appealing to kids I think.
>>736248096This should get the hate that the N64 controller gets
>>736228608They were thinking "how do we get devs out of 2D mind?". You should remember that devs are lazy and will continue moving on inertia. By mandating that camera buttons are not used for anything but camera controls and forcing devs to commit to either worse D-pad scheme than SNES (-2 face buttons) or embrace analog stick for something new, they forced a ton of innovative games out of them. A lot of duds too, but that comes with every paradigm shift. Meanwhile, the only PS1 game unplayable on base controller is Ape Escape, with a fun but ultimately dead end way to control a character in 3D. Even after Dual Analog released, devs were hesitant to experiiment. That's why best game on N64 is Mario 64, while the best game on PS1 is SotN.
>>736228608Sovl, putting things into perspective, after sony seeing this they had to put 3rd rate quality joysticks on their controllers for their console AND sell them separately.
>>736228608their thought process was to build the message that there's no "right" way to play. It was to encourage devs to create ambitious control schemesunfortunately, sony and even sega made designs where you hit both the sticks and dpad without moving your hand, proving that locking off options doesn't make it better
>>736250198And it backfired massively since barely any third-parties made games for the system. Turns out, giving devs more options is better than forcing them do things your way.
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>>736234963They could've at least kept the Saturn dpad.
>>736228608meh, I didn't mind it. It's weird holding as an adult but as a kid, it felt natural (never used the d-pad on ANY games from memory). The Z button beneath offered unique utility for certain games. I hate playing the N64 Zeldas on other platforms with different button layouts, it feels very wrong not using the Z button. After the 64, the shoulder buttons became a big deal
>>736251426And yet, N64 games served as blueprints for pretty much every single 3D game you see now, while PS1's forte- 2D platformers, racing games and glorified FMV games- are all largely dead in AAA development. Sometimes you have to sacrifice yourself to innovation.
>>736252331You can innovate without sacrificing your bottom-line>make new controller that allows you to make games the old way but also has a few new tricks>make a system seller using the new tricks>everyone rushes to make games the new way because it will print moneyThe big irony is that, while N64 games were indeed revolutionary and loved by those who played them, that last step of third-parties changing the way they make games happened on Sony's console, since that was where devs had the most freedom. Nintendo did all the hard work but ripped none of the rewards due to their arrogance.
>>736252331King's Field did well for itself over the years, Armored Core too
>>736248096The triggers are highly underrated. They're a bit flimsy but the way they bottom out is really handy for games like mario sunshine, where pressing the trigger down until it clicks causes mario to stop and stand in place and let you aim the water with the analog stick. You need to hold down the opposite trigger to do this in the remake, which isn't nearly as practical.
