The whole thing had to be rebuilt halfway through

>understandable
That fandom of troons makes up its own bullshit up anyway, have fun wasting time.
And wasn't the most common complaint that it controls like shit compared to the other games?

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>>736246874
Why did they memoryhole this nigga?

>>736246874
>FromSoft B team (maybe even the C team)
>game is ugly
>couldn't into performance, so they had to scrap the lighting system that large parts of the game were designed around
>intentionally made to be hard and frustrating because 'lol you'll lose your souls again and again' (shit design)
>crappy sound design and bad music
>unmemorable bosses
>shit DLC

It's just a poor game in every respect.

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>>736246874
Something went really, really wrong with the 2011 to early 2013 version of the game and the final release is a Frankenstein's monster of versions.

Currently playing Dark Souls 2 for the first time. It feels like the longest game of the 3. Working my way through Drangleic castle and still need the 3rd DLC. I'm already feeling burnt out.

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>>736246874
Bandai Scamco, they ruined DaS1, 2 and 3. Sony only ruined DeS. Thank God FromSoftware owns both Sekiro and Armored Core IP fully. FromSoftware must self-publish ASAP worldwide and stop allowing parasites like Bandai Scamco benefit from their games and hold them back. I hope project FMC will be the first worldwide self-published FromSoftware game.

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>>736247918
>game is ugly
Looks better than DaS and DaS3.
>couldn't into performance, so they had to scrap the lighting system that large parts of the game were designed around
Wrong. Performance is perfect, problem was that Bandai Namco forced the game to be downgraded and released on PS3 and Xbox360, while it was designed for PC and PS4 and Xbox One.
>intentionally made to be hard and frustrating because 'lol you'll lose your souls again and again' (shit design)
Skill issue, IQ issue. It is great design, GitGud.
>shit DLC
Wrong. Better DLCs than both DaS, DaS3 and Elden Ring. Only Bloodborne has superior DLC.

>>736248550
>I'm already feeling burnt out.
Never play Elden Ring if you are feeling burned out by DaS2, lmao.

>>736246874
A sequel? I'd love a Dark Souls 2.2.

>>736248974
God DaS2 is visibly a dogshit game in every single regard. I'd rather play fucking anything than that abomination for one more second.

>>736249038
I did. Elden Ring burn out was much worse.

>>736247067
Because he stole like 60% of the budged, and outsources like 90% of the assets to india. When bandai namco asked for a release date he couldn't give one because all they had was a bunch of random assets and some levels.
So they fired his ass, scrubbed him from the credits, and brought along an actually competent director to scrape together SOMETHING to release in 6 months.
Thats why the game feels like shit to play and there is no rhyme or reason to the levels or enemies, and why the animations look worse than in demons souls

>>736248974
>Looks better than DaS and DaS3
Absolutely not. Because of the fuckup with DS2's lighting system, the entire game has this flat, ugly, blurry look to everything. It reminds me of Sonic Adventure 2 in that respect. And the extremely boring and uninteresting art direction didn't help.

>couldn't into performance
m8, go watch some of the early trailers that show this huge darkness and lighting system they were going to have but had to scrap because the performance was shit.

>gitgud
Cheap bullshit like enemies that instantly turn 180, throngs of enemies in confined spaces, and obnoxious design choices like Shrine of Amana are babby's first 'how do I make a 'hard' game' design choices. It's amateur design, through and through.
>DS2's DLCs are better than the other FromSoft games
Oh, you're just retarded. The only interesting thing about one of the DS2 DLCs was the underground ziggurat, and then only how cool it looked from the outside.

I'm sorry you feel the need to defend this shameful, deficient entry in the Souls series. Do you also carry water for Deus Ex Invisible War?

>>736249346
>Because he stole like 60% of the budged, and outsources like 90% of the assets to india
Should read "Because he stole like 60% of the budget, and outsourced like 90% of the assets to india"
Sorry had a brainfart there. How long until someone copes that its better because "it has a dreamlike quality to it"

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>>736249079
Yeah, because you are a low IQ retard with skill issues who can't GitGud.

Sekiro > Bloodborne > DaS2:SOTFS > DaS:PTDE > DeS (2009) > DaS3 > Nightreign > DOGSHIT > Elden Ring

>>736249509
I'm not convinced there's a lower form of life than a DaS2fag. Literal shit mongers.

>>736249576
There is, and it's people who unironically defend live service slop like Concord, Highguard, and Marathon. But DS2fags aren't far away from that level of repugnance.

>>736247918
DS2 isn't notably harder than the rest of the series
Only those bugged ass salamanders in the forest of giants basement (that you just run past) and the meme challenge paths in the DLC take it a notch above anything else

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>>736249402
>Absolutely not. Because of the fuckup with DS2's lighting system, the entire game has this flat, ugly, blurry look to everything. It reminds me of Sonic Adventure 2 in that respect. And the extremely boring and uninteresting art direction didn't help.
I have the games on Steam, DaS2:SOTFS looks better than both DaS1 and DaS3. You are retarded and wrong.
>m8, go watch some of the early trailers that show this huge darkness and lighting system they were going to have but had to scrap because the performance was shit.
The performance was perfect, it was designed for PC, PS4 and Xbox One. Bandai Scamco meddled and forced FromSoftware to downgrade it for PS3 and Xbox 360. You are underage zoomeroid subhuman tourist newcomer, that is why you don't know these things.
>Cheap bullshit like enemies that instantly turn 180, throngs of enemies in confined spaces, and obnoxious design choices like Shrine of Amana are babby's first 'how do I make a 'hard' game' design choices. It's amateur design, through and through.
All of that is good game design, you are low IQ subhuman with skill issue who can't GitGud.
>Oh, you're just retarded. The only interesting thing about one of the DS2 DLCs was the underground ziggurat, and then only how cool it looked from the outside.
The only retard here is you, you don't belong in true Souls community, never did, never will, you are a wannabe, a tourist.
>Do you also carry water for Deus Ex Invisible War?
I don't play interactive movie garbage, of course you do and you complain about "artificial difficulty" in DaS2, lmao, I called it, fuck off tourist casual normalfag.

>>736249509
DS3 was the most difficult game in the series. Cherry picking videos of dogshit players doesn't change that.

>>736249885
Fun fact: every single DaS2 defender was a toddler in 2011 when Dark Souls 1 came out. The power of Youtube and contrarianism powers them.

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>>736249576
>GUYS I WANT EASY BRAINDEAD GAMES LIKE DAS1 WHERE ENEMIES ARE BRAINDEAD OR DAS3 WHERE I CAN DODGE SPAM 20x TIMES IN A ROW BECAUSE MY DODGE HAS INSANE I-FRAMES AND COSTS ALMOST NO STAMINA
>I AM SO LE HARDCORE GAMER GUYS, PRAISE THE SUN XD CO-OP IS SO WHOLESOME LE PRAISE THE SUN XD
You never belonged tourist normal fag casual shitter. DaS2:SOTFS exposed and filtered you subhumans hard. Sekiro did the same.

>>736249402
>extremely boring and uninteresting art direction
Someone said that the enemies look like WoW rejects and I've never been able to unsee it.

>>736250097
And the DaS2 troon goes full mask off with his seething about the first game. It always happens at some point.

>>736249885
I find it funny that the running animation looks worse than a ps1 game in the video you posted. Like, they couldn't reuse the animations from demons souls or ds1, they HAD to make new ones that look a million times worse. Maybe its because they didn't mocap or something, I don't know

>>736250030
>DS3 was the most difficult game in the series
Nope, extremely easy. Nerf the dodge stamina cost by at least 35% and it might be non-braindead, might.

>>736249762
DS2 is 'harder' because it's full of intentionally obnoxious and cheap bullshit that some brainlet thinks is a replacement for actual, intentionally designed challenge like you find in the good Souls games.

I'm talking cheap shit like changing it so you aren't invulnerable during fog wall animations, 90% invisible enemies in that forest spot, unnecessarily excessive item durability degradation, enemies with few if any safe windows to do attacks, and thinking just shitting out a half dozen enemies in a game designed around 1:1 combat was a good idea. The design screams 'this is my first time designing these encounters and I have no idea what I'm doing.'

>>736249885
>DS2 visuals
I don't know what to tell you anon, DS2 is flat, poorly lit, with lower texture quality, and less detailed/interesting geometry on models than the other games.
>performance was perfect
Why can't you understand that DS2's ship performance was fine BECAUSE they had to scrap/pull out the original lighting system the game was using and that's what I mean when I say 'Performance sucked?'
>cheap design choices are good
This is you eating slop and then defending it when someone says 'You're eating slop.' Did you also play Avowed and liked that?
>you don't belong in the Souls community
If you're making webms explicitly to try to defend DS2, then I think you're absolutely one of those people who maybe started with DS2, didn't like DS3 because it wasn't DS2, then got filtered by Elden Ring and came crying back to DS2. That's more tragic than anything. It would be like someone starting with Sonic 2006 and using that as the series' high water mark.
>DEIW is interactive movie garbage
Oh, so you're just actually under age and have no idea what kind of game DEIW even was. Got it.

>>736250157
If you dropped the polycount by 30%, yeah, I could see it. What always sticks out in my mind about how shitty DS2 was are just those square rooms with bonfires in them because I guess they ran out of time or nobody gave a single fuck. Not even the shittiest parts of Lost Izalith in DS1, where FROM literally ran out of time, look anywhere near as bad as most of DS2.

>>736250176
I don't seethe about DaS1, I love DaS1, I hate the retarded tourists and newcomers who overrate it.

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>>736250184
Animations look great.

>>736246874
Devs underestimated how retarded the new found audience of their games.

>>736250336
The louder someone cries over tourists unprompted the more obviously it becomes projection. Especially in the case of DaS2, the soulless outsourced sequel.

been forever since i played it but i remember liking it just as much as any of the other games. never understood the hate. it's uglier than the other games, more linear, and has smaller zones and that probably puts it at the bottom of the stack, but to the people that claim there is a world of difference between ds2 and the others, i just don't see it. I had fun with it same as the other games. they're all great.

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>>736250306
>DS2 is 'harder' because it's full of intentionally obnoxious and cheap bullshit that some brainlet thinks is a replacement for actual, intentionally designed challenge like you find in the good Souls games.
TRANSLATION: I hate enemies who fight back, I hate that I have to think how I approach a situation, I hate that I might get ambushed in a dark fantasy ARPG adventure, I am a normalfag casual retard with a low IQ and skill issues who can't GitGud.
>I don't know what to tell you anon, DS2 is flat, poorly lit, with lower texture quality, and less detailed/interesting geometry on models than the other games.
Maybe on your PS3, not on my PC. DaS2:SOTFS looks much better than DaS1 and DaS3.
>Why can't you understand that DS2's ship performance was fine BECAUSE they had to scrap/pull out the original lighting system the game was using and that's what I mean when I say 'Performance sucked?'
There was no performance issue on the platforms it was designed for. It was designed for PC, with ports for PS4 and Xbox One based on the PC version. It was Bandai Namco who forced them to also release the game on PS3 and Xbox 360 and thus downgrade the game. You don't know these things because you are underage zoomeroid faggot tourist and newcomer, you do not belong, never did, never will.
>This is you eating slop and then defending it when someone says 'You're eating slop.'
You being dogshit at gaming doesn't mean good design is bad design. You are low IQ and have skill issue, that is all there is to it.
>Did you also play Avowed and liked that?
I don't play interactive movie dogshit normalfag games like you do. I am a better gamer than you and have better taste than you.

1/2

I have more respect for Sonic 06 fans than DaS2fags.

>>736250735
>I am a better gamer than you
>1/2
Hang it up, lil bro. I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you at this point.

>>736246874
nothing. they tried to make rolling like a retard weaker, but retards complained too much, so now you have ds3 and elden trash.

>>736250835
Was making basic movement abysmal also part of their plan?

>>736249402
>the early trailers that show this huge darkness and lighting system they were going to have
I have never live felt so cheated by a game release in comparison to what I was expecting. Looking back, I think this is the point where I stepped back from following pre-release news and trailers in favor of a "wait and see" approach.

>>736247918
I liked it, there's a certain dreamlike quality to some portions of the game

>>736250907
Yes, as was making fall damage feel like you're on Jupiter with gravity 10x what earth has, lol

>>736248974
I want to give my thanks to Bloodborne for giving us the roll slop and adhd that we have in all the current souls games, umbasa

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>>736250306
>If you're making webms explicitly to try to defend DS2
I didn't make them, I saved them and repost them, you are low IQ.
>then I think you're absolutely one of those people who maybe started with DS2, didn't like DS3 because it wasn't DS2
Started with DeS (2009). I like DaS3. I like all Souls games except Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
>then got filtered by Elden Ring and came crying back to DS2
Elden DOGSHIT Ring is the easiest, most dumbed down, most casualized, most accessible, normalfag, boring time-wasting open-world slop garabge that FromSoftware has ever made. It can't filter anyone, because it has no proper roadblocks you have to overcome, you can skip 95% of the game, you can overlevel extremely easy, you have the most overpowered weapons, abilities, spells and cheese out of all other FromSoftware Souls games combined.

It is very clear that you are a newcomer tourist normalfag that entered the scene with Elden DOGSHIT Ring, you will never belong, you never did, never will.
>Oh, so you're just actually under age and have no idea what kind of game DEIW even was. Got it.
I don't care about your normalfag interactive movie dogshit games.

>>736250925
Yeah, DS2 was my second and final 'buy the sequel because the first was so good' moment in life. It was such a tremendous let down, especially with the even worse state it was in at launch.

>>736250945
Maybe in one or two little areas, but none of those even come close to something like the Painted World in DS1 or the Nightmare Frontier in BB.

>>736250515
>the soulless outsourced sequel.
Tourist newcomer raised on YouTube garbage headcanon, lmao.

>Hidetaka Miyazaki has praised
Dark Souls 2 as a "great project" that provided essential, unique ideas and connections which "carried the rest of the series"

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>>736246874
What a coincidence I've been playing through the series again and I'm at Dark Souls 2 now.
Been committing the genocide at Iron Keep for past two nights because I hate that place and the fucking weeaboo katana wielding knights and teenage mutant ninja turtles that inhabit that place. Level design is absolute dogshit but I love that the game lets me kill enemies so often they stop spawning.

>>736251027
>I don't care about your normalfag interactive movie dogshit games.
Invisible War only sold 1 million copies though. Dark Slop 2 is a much more normalfag game, and amazingly a worse one considering how shitty IW turned out.

>>736251138
Nigga out here quoting ChatGPT

>>736250830
Not your little bro you zoomeroid subhuman. You are a low IQ retard with Skill Issue who can't GitGud, your embarassment for others is worthless and meaningless.

>>736248974
>>736249885
>>736250735
>>736251027
I haven't seen an autistic spergout like this in a while, and those are usually in Deltarune threads or in the SDV threads on /vg/. All for DS2? lmao

>>736251138
>Tourist newcomer raised on YouTube garbage headcanon, lmao.
Within a few days of the game coming out people were comparing the credits, you weren't there because you were too busy finger painting at the time.

To all the DS2 fans ITT: Should I play Scholar or the original for my first playthrough?

>>736251143
Sales numbers don't determine what is an interactive movie normalfag garbage and what isn't, you have low IQ.

>>736251207
>with Skill issue
Your bizarre punctuation and weird behavior make me think you're ESL and triggered at the same time, a fatal combination. Funny, though.

>>736246874
Good game, wish from made a sequel

>>736251185
It is true, Miyazaki praised DaS2.

>>736251395
He also praised the Demon's Souls remake

>>736251310
Scholar

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>>736251215
>subhuman low IQ tourist doesn't know that S-Team went to make Bloodborne
KEK, expose yourself more tourist, I love it. You low IQ subhumans are hillarious.

>>736247918
It's not even hard desu

>>736250735
>It was designed for PC
I find it hard to believe that obvious, game-changing PC-specific bugs like the double durability drain would be present if that were the case.

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>>736251310
Play DaS2:SOTFS, ignore DaS2, it is irrelevant and inferior and only DaS1 and DaS3 low IQ subhumans who are low IQ and have Skill Issue and can't GitGud try to promote it, don't fall for their lies.

>>736251354
Skill Issue + IQ Issue, GitGud.

>>736251395
Would you expect him to shit-talk his employer's products?

>>736251427
Nope, he said he didn't even play it, lol.

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>>736251541
>those animations
>that motion blur
The ugliest game ever made.

>>736246874
Isnt it crazy that he then made one of the best video games of a generation (elden ring)

>ctrl + f 'low iq'
>13 matches
I swear I've seen this retard before in other threads. Maybe defending Marathon? It's some kind of quirk or defect clearly, or maybe it's just a terminally online teenager that latched onto a phrase like the other autist who always calls people 'turds.'

>>736251519
"Dark Souls II was heavily developed with the PC platform in mind, a direct response to the poor reception of the original Dark Souls PC port. Developers focused on making it a proper, high-quality PC release from the start, supporting higher resolutions, smoother frame rates, and better controls than console versions"

>>736247038
Fucking this. Lore stopped being interesting when it stopped being a community thing and became YouTubers projecting their headcanon and everyone repeating the bullshit that had zero relation to the actual game

What causes Dark Souls II to have such an insane schizo defense force? It needs to be studied, because there's something deeply strange about it.

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>>736251661
He praised it 10 years later when he is the leader of FromSoftware.
Man the internet and 4chan truly went to shit with internet becoming more accessible to third-world shitholes.
Anonymity is so cringe now, abused by third-world subhumans like you with a low IQ who don't know what they are talking about.
If this was IRL I would spit on your ugly low IQ face and bash your face in if you tried to do anything about it.

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>>736251683
>he said he didn't even play it
Why would he? It's the same game and he probably hasn't played DS2 since it came out either, if he ever did.
Doesn't change that he praised the remake.

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>>736251687
>The ugliest game ever made.
That would be Dark Souls: SHITMASTERED.
Fuck off tourist.

>>736251741
Lies to placate potential customers

>>736246874
>filename
>post is completely schizophrenic
Why is it always like this? Bro is linking what seems to be some random article from a decade ago

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>>736251974
Miyazaki didn't make DaS2, he has played DaS2 and praised it, unlike Demon's Soulless Demake.

Miyazaki killed BluePoint because he hates Demon's Soulless Demake and didn't allow BluePoint to rape Bloodborne.

Fuck off TOURIST.

>>736246874
DaS2 tried a ton of new things & some of them were bad, so people shat on them for it
A lot of them were great & some of those made it to later games but people ignore that fact

>>736251981
The retarded Polacks they got to demaster the first game couldn't possibly make it look worse than Dark Slop 2. They basically just fucked the lighting and materials, every single aspect of 2 looks horrendous.

>>736252082
Doesn't change that he praised it in public which makes his supposed praise of DS2 meaningless. He didn't even praise the game outright, he just said the team learned a lot from it and it enabled them to make better games in the future.

>>736252002
Cope. Third-world low IQ subhuman obsessed with conspiracy theory ways of thinking because you are a product of a low trust thirdworld society.

Thank God Jews are winning in the middle-east.

>>736250176
Some point? It happens every time, it's either that or they start seething about some 10 year old youtube video. Literally the most pathetic fucks on this board

>>736246874
What didn't go wrong with DS2, im still baffled at it. Imagine if right after MW1, infinity ward had made MW2, except its a sci fi platformer with no multiplayer. People would be confused if anything.

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>>736246874
>DS3 was the last DS game
>DS3 killed the series
>people who skipped DS2 are attacking DS2
Every time.

>>736250184
Seriously the moment I opened the game on launch and saw that run animation I immediately had this sense I was playing something made by different people, like a whole other company made a souls game. It's like they forgot to animate the feet lifting off the ground
>>736250030
C'mon now DS3 was piss easy other than the nameless king and he wasn't even that hard

Majula is legit comfy asf tho

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>>736252157
>Doesn't change that he praised it in public which makes his supposed praise of DS2 meaningless
Low IQ third-worlder doesn't understand that war is deception. Same thing Trump did to Iran, not once, but twice, negotiate (say something in public) but in reality, attack and destroy Iran, lol. Miyazaki did the same thing, gave BluePoint false hope, while he prepared to kill them for Demon's Soulless Demake.

You lost BluePoint faggot.

>>736251974
Miyazaki is clear impressed with dark souls 2. You just need to look at the actual fucking credits of future releases

Dark souls 2
>Directors
Tomohiro Shibuya (who fucked up and was replaced)
Yui Tanimura

Dark soul 3
>directors
Hidetaka Miyazaki
Yui Tanimura
Isamu Okanu

Elden ring
>directors
Hidetaka Miyazaki
Yui Tanimura


That’s right retards. Elden ring has two directors credited. The dark souls 2 lead director.

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>>736252094
Cope. DaS2:SOTFS looks beautiful. DaS:SHITMASTERED looks horrible. If you don't play DaS:PTDE, you are a subhuman tourist.

>>736252316
>Miyazaki lied about this for ulterior motives so that means you can take what he said about DS2 at face value
lol

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>>736252384
Needless to say both look infinitely better than Dark Shit 2.

>>736252401
Bluepoint? Dead.

Dark souls 2 director? Promoted to working with Miyazaki directly on his biggest budget and most expansive release yet

If you deleted adept and removed the fuckery with roll position getting you grabbed unjustly, the game would be good

>>736252157
>praised it in public
No shit you expect a CEO to talk shit about someone?
>proceeds to never work with them again
You dont do that with people whos work you praise

>>736252495
You'll figure it out eventually.

>>736252157
How dumb are you mother fuckers, like seriously. You see this all the time in…literally anything with companies. Or take sports

How many times have you seen some manager/coach say
>oh yeah we really love this player
Then trade or cut him lmao. You judge them by their actions

>>736252384
>DaS:SHITMASTERED looks horrible. If you don't play DaS:PTDE, you are a subhuman tourist.
He's right you know ^

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>>736252360
>Yui Tanimura
He solo directed the DaS2 DLCs and they are the best DLCs FromSoftware has made, with the exception of Bloodborne DLC which is better because JAPAN Studio teamed up with FromSoftware.

Now that FromSoftware and Miyazaki allows directors to solo direct games without the involvement of Miyazaki, we will get a Yui Tanimura solo directed game sooner or later, can't wait, it will be absolutely amazing.

Also, can't wait for the next Hamatani and Yamamura action kino, hopefully not held back by Miyazaki.

>>736246874
nothing ds2 is perfect

>>736252401
I mean yes, there’s pretty clearly a difference between the working relationship from had with bluepoint and the dark souls 2 dev team, one is still around for starters lmao
>>736252612
Ishizaki of kinoreign will surpass him, tanimura seems more of a clean up guy or #2 than a true lead director

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I'm at 35 hours on my first playthrough, genuinely having a shit ton of fun.
Just finished this kino fight and am at the 2nd dlc.

>>736252584
>You judge them by their actions
You mean like the fact that DS3 brought back almost nothing from DS2 compared to DS1? Same deal with Elden Ring other than muh powerstancing (which is closer to the animations of the unique paired weapons from DS3 anyway.)

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>>736252401
DaS2 is a FromSoftware project, Yui Tanimura is promoted.
Demon's Soulless Demake is an american abomination made by parasites, BluePoint got sabotaged and killed by Miyazaki.

Now cope.

>>736252316
Can you imagine the damage indians would do to bloodborne if they got their claws on it

>>736252476
That is DaS2, not DaS2:SOTFS. Learn to read retard.

>>736252684
>same deal with Elden ring
The fucking lead director of dark souls 2 is a co director with Miyazaki

>>736246874
elden ring is dark souls 2 2

>>736252793
>lead director of dark souls 2
guy who attempted to salvage the mess that is DS2 after the actual director was fired*

>>736252684
Dark souls 3 was mostly a bloodborne asset flip, it’s not very deep, the main theme of the game wasn’t even designed to be the main theme

Anyone wanna play DaS with me?

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>>736252679
>Ishizaki of kinoreign will surpass him, tanimura seems more of a clean up guy or #2 than a true lead director
Time will tell.
I respect Junya Ishizaki for filtering literally millions of newcomers, tourists and normalfags with Nightreign. They love Elden Ring, but absolutely hate Nightreign, because they can't cheese Nightreign like they did with Elden Ring.

Thank you, Junya Ishizaki.

>>736252612
>Bloodborne DLC which is better because JAPAN Studio teamed up with FromSoftware.
They only did QA on bloodborne lol.

>>736252683
Noice.
What's your build? My fav was powerstance'd spears.

I'm playing Jack's game now (Stranger of Paradise) which is, ironically, the first action game where I prefer greatswords. I think I'll use that on my next DS2 run.

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DS2 > ER
>muh A-team/B-team
Fromsoft has become a flanderized studio without vision

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>>736252856
You are wasting your time bro, these tourist zoomeroid newcomers don't know how much damage Bandai Namco did to both DaS2 and DaS3.
>no serpent invasion event
Fuck bandai scamco.

>>736252684
>almost nothing
Not really true, a lot of the “greatest hits” were brought back. It makes sense there is more DaS1 iconography in 3 if they were going to go down the referential route given dark soul 2 iconography is largely a spiritual successor to dark souls 1 hitting a lot of the same beats. The same way demons souls was in dark souls.

You have nashandra portrait, several dark souls 2 armors, drang weapons, one of the lords of cinder is a giant. That’s just off the top of my head. Again a lord of cinder is a giant from das2. They brought back a bunch of stuff. Archdragon peak is pretty dragon aery coded. The ringed city has earthen peak as an entire zone.

Pretending dark souls 3 had little dark souls 2 is pretty dumb. Elden ring’s final boss in PRC uses that one fag in dark souls 2 skeleton by the way, vengarl

>>736252970
Nope, FromSoftware was so impressed that they ended up hiring many of JAPAN Studio people.

>>736250030
>DS3 was the most difficult game in the series
You fucking WOT m8?
It's wasy as fuck to do a low level run with a raw straight sword.

>>736253226
Credits says otherwise, lil nigga.

>>736252941
What gives me confidence is mostly the changes that were patched in over time.

The fact they added an ability to use the non fucked up and gay version of the roundtable is a certified ball knower move

>>736248974
DS2 is so fucking good

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>>736253197
>Again a lord of cinder is a giant from das2.
He doesn't have a butthole for a face so no. Archdragon Peak is a massive reach.
The rest of your post is true but that's basically all there is. On top of there being much more reuse in terms of enemies and location from DaS1, they reused the whole skeleton, animations and all instead of using anything from DaS2 for the gameplay.

I like it. The rest of the series should have removed enemies after you kill them enough times.

How would you rate the souls games?
DaS>ER>DeS>DaS2>DaS3
Haven’t played bloodborne yet.

I finished it for the first time last week including all DLCs and bosses and really enjoyed it.

Frigid outskirts seemed like the only genuinely terrible area in the game.

>>736253393
>filename
Discarded. You’re massively retarded.

>>736248974
They replied to him because he spoke the truth

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>>736253443
2 SotFS is the only good one

>>736250097
Uh oh noob is having a melty!

>>736253393
>hurdur it’s not exactly le same
This is like saying the spider patches in bloodborne isn’t actually patches because he’s a spider and not some douche with a spear

>>736253362
>>736253527
Let's find some of the non shit parts of DS2 and take screenshots of them next to a few of the shit parts of DS3. Surely this will convince people that DS2 doesn't look awful!

>>736246874
It was too ambitious.

>>736246874
Too much ambition
Too little talent and experience

>>736246874
I used to hate it but by this point I actually appreciate DS2 a lot.

>>736253527
I am laughing so hard that you think the left looks good

>>736246874
Outsourced to jeets.
And somehow DS2 is also the one that jeets praise as the best souls game ever.

>>736253602
>NOOO! don't expose us gamer dads and "HARDCORE GAMERS" like this! LE PRAISE THE SUN! Co-op is so wholesome xD
>DaS2 is bad, some YouTube retard told me, it must be true!

>>736247038
>Controls like shit
It didn't. People said so, but it wasn't true, what was really happening is that the AI - despite being retarded - wasn't so completely brain dead that it started filtering people who never bothered learning how to actually play the game despite having a much, much wider range of fluid and intuitive motion than des and dks1. For example, rolling in 1 was locked to 4 directions while in 2 rolling was 8-directional, unless you turn off lock on, where it becomes omnidirectional. Youtubers also flat out started lying about things like the ADP stat and other core game mechanics, so people who didn't play it started regurgitating lies like ADP controlling your i-frames or hitboxes being broken when they weren't.

>>736246874
It’s actually such a good fucking game. It’s unreal how good it is. It’s like a fever dream. It hits so different compared to 1/3/ER. It’s just perfect with the perfect amount of jank and difficulty, while being easy to learn but still offering the opportunity to master the various content with your chosen playstyle. Dark souls 2 should be the blueprint for modern arpg games.

>>736246874
It came out right after Dark Souls 1, Fromsoft's Magnum Opus. Directed by B team no less.
It ditched the non linear design of DS1 and went back to DeS inferior non linear start where you pick 1 of 4 straight lines to go through first before coming back to the main straight line.
Multiple systems where simply worse than DS1 like bringing back grass with life gems or having movement and combat that simply felt worse to play than DS1.

It was a Downgrade overall from DS1, therefore it had a shit reception. It's only good in retrospective when you take into account how much shitter the franchise became after Bloodborne.

DS2 fags getting severely railed in here lmao

>>736253656
>duuude it's vaguely kinda like this thing so they totally got the idea from ds2
Goes both ways and ultimately meaningless.
Even if we concede that that's where they got the idea, maybe they thought it was a failure in DS2 and decided to do it right this time.

>>736246874
>>736247918
>>736248203
Whatever happened to that guy who was fixing the lighting in DS2?

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>>736253910
>It came out right after Dark Souls 1, Fromsoft's Magnum Opus
Sekiro, Bloodborne and Armored Core VI shit on Dark Souls 1.

>>736253942
It's done

>>736253989
Ok but none of those were out when DS2 came out

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>>736253686
The whole game looks the same. Tell me what area this is..

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>>736253443
Easy.

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>>736246874
Soul Memory.

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>>736253910
>It ditched non linear design
It didn't. You just feel this way because it gave you the ability to teleport from the start - a QoL feature people bitched about in Dark Souls 1 - so, nigger that you are, you never bothered going anywhere on foot except to reach the next bonfire.
>where
Fuckng ESL ape. And no, they were not worse than Dark Souls 1. I notice you can't really explain how or why it felt worse to you, but it's alright, I can explain it: you're trash at the game. You never learned how to play the much more simplistic Dark Souls 1, so when 2 expected you to not only be good at 1 but to embrace an even more complex range of movement from both the player and enemies you chimped out. I bet you get sideswiped by Heide Knights because you don't know how to bait backstabs.

>>736253443
DS1 = Bloodborne > DeS > ER > DS3 > DS2

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>>736253942
>"fix" the lighting in the only entry in the series that has lighting
what did fromfags mean by this?

>>736253910
2 is the least linear by a wide margin you stupid nigger

>>736253443
DS2>DmS>ER>DS1>DS3>BB
If you didn't like DS3 for the sterilization of build variety, you'll like Bloodborne even less. It has way better levels than DS3 but the second half drops off a cliff in standard Miyazaki fashion, something DS3 didn't actually suffer from somehow.

>>736254202
I swear from Demon's Souls all the way through to Nightreign the AI of these games has a seizure whenever you start to heal

>>736254287
He heard a youtuber say it, so it must be true

>>736249457
I would rather you just posted a source for such outlandish yet specific claims.

>>736250306
>because it's full of intentionally obnoxious and cheap bullshit
Name one that isn't present in another game in the series

>>736249402
i unironically carry water for dark souls 2 and invisible war, both are stellar games by today's standards

For me, it's the hilarity of watching browns smash their keyboards in frustration over being "ganked" in an area where you are very obviously intended to blow up large groups of enemies with the abundant explosive barrels littering the level

>>736249402
>go watch some of the early trailers that show this huge darkness and lighting system
NTA, but would you mind pointing me to a good example? There's a bunch to pick from.

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>>736246874
>thread about DaS2
>DaS2fags immediately start attacking every other game in the series instead of defending their game

>>736254091
This is you taking a few screenshots in a lesser part of DS3 in some desperate bid to make DS2 look better. (It isn't working.)

>>736254495
dark souls 2 did understand the assignment with pvp-friendly map designs better than its successors or predecessors, undoubtedly, though certain areas of Demon's Souls come close

>>736254495
>me but its trapping all the alonne knights in the furnace and torching them

>>736254429
None of the other games do the 'can be hit when going through fog wall' thing, IIRC.

>>736254473
You have exceptionally bad taste and/or are brown.

>>736254501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI-CvPllqaQ
That's the DS2 launch trailer. Notice how the lighting looks good and not at all like the shit in the game that shipped.

>>736253910
>went back to DeS inferior non linear start where you pick 1 of 4 straight lines to go through first before coming back to the main straight line
It doesn't work like that at all though. Paths you take can often open up 2 other areas, or you can arrive at locations from different paths. The starting paths you take in DS2 quickly lead into more than half a dozen areas or things you can do at any one time. There's like 3 different ways to get into the Gutter for example. Two ways to get into Lost Bastile, which start you on opposite ends of a huge interconnected level with multiple paths and forks. The only way to get to subsequent levels in Demons Souls is to complete the level before it. You can only get to 2-2 by beating 2-1, and so on for every area in Demons Souls.

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>>736254553
>offense is the best defense
BASED DAS2 CHADS.

>>736254604
Dark Souls 2 to me came the closest to a modern day King's Field game in pretty much every metric, but most importantly in level design
The game falls apart completely without the attention to detail paid to making sure clever players could use their environment to their advantage

>>736254001
>>736254254
Why lie?

>>736254714
But a youtuber told him that, so it must be true

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>>736254751
Peak Souls.

>>736246874
Nothing. It's the best game in the trilogy. Making people throw an alluring skull before pulling a lever or entering a fog gate was too much for some people, and that's a good thing.

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>It's DS2's fault it doesn't have rtx global illumination soft penumbra accurate DLSS 5 shadows, despite reaching and getting the closest the series ever got to having accurate lighting
>but every other souls game is allowed to not have anything and it gets a pass
tell me how that makes any sense?

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>literally the only game in the series that can pull off this type of scenery and lighting
But i'm supposed to believe DS2 is the one with the lighting that needs "fixing."

>>736254572
>he cant tell you..

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Evil ass game.

>>736254950
Because muh a team b team etc. (none of this was true by the way, it's just that Miyazaki wasn't working on the game)

>>736255383
Don't roll into attacks retard.

>>736254950
>>736255147
>>736255215
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMAs9mhqwE
This is a pretty good comparison between the three. DS2 looks so flat and bland, but I can't put my finger on why the character models look worse than the other two. Maybe the way they're receiving lighting? DS2 looks the worst of the three, easily.

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>>736255704
>I can't put my finger on why
no one cares about your feelings

>>736254175
....did more for curving one sided invasions than EAC ever did for elden ring, correct.

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>looks so flat and bland, but I can't put my finger on why the character models look worse than the other two
I'm not kidding they actually say this

>>736255892
>provide a clear, immediate, video comparison between the games
>it's obvious DS2 looks like shit
>n-no one cares about your feelings!!
This is why DS2fags are the lepers of /v/ and should be treated as such.

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>>736256242
>my feels mean more than your facts!

>>736256178
Yeah, there are some insults you can use while describing the graphics of DS2, but dropping "flat and bland" as a Dark Souls 3 fan... Boy...
>>736256242
>clear, immediate, video comparison between the games
>it's just some pixelated retard running around two random ass areas
Wow!

I think its funny that he has to outsource his opinion to a youtube video while anon is posting screenshots from his own video games

>>736256361
Your cherrypicked screenshots only further my point that DS2 looks bad and you have to go out of the way to pretend otherwise.

There's no arguing against that video comparison I posted, since it lays it bare in real time.

That I've triggered the two (or three) DS2 autists in the thread is also a good indicator side by side video footage isn't kind to DS2, lmao

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>>736256548
>if I say that 2+2=5 when my own video evidence clearly shows 2+2=4 I win and if you point out that I'm wrong I'll simply act like a smug redditor therefore I win

>>736247918
It's pure kino you seething autist
>Runs good
>Lit good
>Linear
>Easy mode by default (kill 10 enemies and don't respond)

The DS2 cult always entertains me. They tie themselves into knots desperately trying to convince even a single human being their trash is actually treasure.

>>736256548
There's no arguing because there's no argument. You could've picked a vid like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-LgsWKWfGE that shows what could be considered bad graffix, but dropping a link to clips from various areas of 3 different games proves what, that there are 3 different games that can be differentiated from one another?
Best Souls 2 chads keep raging 3pedos.
>>736256845
We don't need to convince anyone. History itself will verify us.

>>736256845
>erm this has already been debunked by my influencer
Did not ask.
>heres the video explaining why you're wrong
Buy an ad.

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>>736256713
M8, that you have a handful or more of preexisting, curated DS2 vs DS3 screenshots ready to go is one of the reasons you can't be taken seriously. And when I go out of my way to find a vid showing the three games side by side made by some rando who just wanted to do a graphics test, and that vid causes you to melt down, it just shows that you have absolutely no objectivity and can't tolerate DS2 being slandered for whatever fucked up reason. It's like Sonicfags when you insult SA2.

>>736256902
>the video generally tries to compare similar things in each game, such as bonfires, foliage, shadows, and so on. DS2 looks the worst of the three in all of the comparisons, especially when they do the 'all three on screen at once' comparison.

>>736256845
I had seen the memes about DS2 psychos going rabid when you criticize them, but I hadn't seen it in person. Now that I have, I can say this is the kind of screeching autism you see between people defending their favorite console brand or arguing in 'who would win in a fight' with capeshit characters. It's hilarious.

>>736257118
Imagine being such a fucking ape that you see moving pictures on a screen and go like "now that's the objective state of things!"

>>736253863
You people are fucking cultists, I swear

>>736257360
When it's a realtime side by side comparison of a game that I'm playing, also in realtime? Why the fuck wouldn't I use a video as a comparison point?

>>736257487
I actually wonder if it's one super autist defending the game all over /v/, like the guy who held onto the Cookie Bustle trademark and DMCA'd anyone, anywhere who tried to use it. This level of seethe when someone criticizes the game, along with the unhinged defensive posts seems too much to be anything other than that.

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For me it's Executioner's Chariot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dV4NTEtRyc

Left.

>>736257487
He's right. DS2 added manual attack aiming, sprinting in 8 directions while locked on, a badass circle crosshair and much more I guess
It took away 360 movement in favor of snap points and the PC port has a deadzone problem, some issues are moveset dependent like R1 after rolling always attacking forward regardless if the lock-is-on but in the end, it controls much better than DS1 and... Bloodborne.
The animations look like shit though
>>736257590
>When it's a realtime side by side comparison of a game that I'm playing, also in realtime? Why the fuck wouldn't I use a video as a comparison point?
Because it's worthless. We've all transcended graphic-whorism years ago, and we are all aware of the downgrade tragedy.

Right.

>>736257954
>ok, DS2 might look bad
>but we've transcended past graphic-whorism
Nigger, the entire reason for the spergout in this thread was someone saying DS2 looks worse than the other games (it does), and then the DS2fags had a melty and started posting screenshots to prove otherwise (they didn't).

>>736258046
In reality it's a mixed bag. Some parts of DS2 look amazing and others bad. And it has to do with art direction, not graphics/lighting. The DLCs have better looking locations than anything in DS1/DS3.

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>>736256470
>I think its funny that he has to outsource his opinion to a youtube video while anon is posting screenshots from his own video games
Majority of people posting on /v/ don't play games. They repeat garbage and false claims they hear on YouTube.

DaS2:SOTFS is the best Dark Souls game, it filtered millions.

>>736258046
I've never said that DS2 looks visually bad though, I'm saying that any attempt at undermining the masterpiece from this side is ultimately futile for we do not care about gay shit. The spergout is valid, DS2 is a much more vibrant and better looking game despite being downgraded to run at 30 fps on the PS3.
>b-bu-
Shut the frick up.

>>736248974
>>736249885
I admire your passion, but personally I'm done trying to defend Ds2 because it's just not worth it anymore.
People are dishonest retarded morons that only parrot youtube opinions and it feels completely pointless trying to talk sense into them. It's like 10 years of this crap already but it feels like the narrative will always be "ds2 le bad".

>>736257610
>Yuka Kitamura
WOW, she has been shitting up FromSoftware games OST since DaS2? Thank God they fired this garbage composer.

>>736258268
DS2's DLC's visuals are fairly generic with the only 'wow' parts being long distance exterior views of Brume Tower and the underground pyramid thing. The ice DLC is really bad looking in all areas. (DS3's snowy city is the good version of what it should look like, btw)

>>736258324
Of all the words in the english language you could use to describe DS2, 'vibrant' is not one of them. The game is a muddy, washed out mess, even more than all of the ash parts in DS3.

>>736258339
The narrative will always be 'ds2 is bad' because ds2 IS bad. That has been true since DS2 came out and it will remain true until the end of time.

Do people actually not like elden ring?

>>736257118
???? That's not even me, I'm the one pointing out how your own video disproves your own argument. Meds, retard.

>>736258503
>The narrative will always be 'ds2 is bad' because ds2 IS bad. That has been true since DS2 came out and it will remain true until the end of time.
The masses wil always be retarded, so not surprissed.

DaS2:SOTFS is FromSoftware at their best, it stands with the elite like Sekiro, Bloodborne and Armored Core VI.

>>736257487
>state objective facts
>Y-you're a cultist
Cultists become irrational when confronted over their beliefs instead of arguing on merit. Like you.

>>736258507
>The narrative will always be 'ds2 is bad' because ds2 IS bad. That has been true since DS2 came out and it will remain true until the end of time.
This was meant for you: >>736258697

>>736246874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI&t=1058s
It's all here.

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>>736258623
open-world slop, automatically dogshit game.

>>736258651
Except the video shows DS2 looks worse and more static than both DS1 (original) and DS3?

>>736258697
DS2, even SotFS, is From's B or C team at their best, kinda like how the Resi3 remake is Capcom's B/C team at their best.

>>736258816
Worst videofag! ever made.

>>736258339
What it really comes down to is that people buy into the cult of Miyazaki. If Miyazaki's name was on the box but it had no other differences, people would suck its dick. How do I know?
Because Elden Ring won game of the year.

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>>736258507
>(DS3's snowy city is the good version of what it should look like, btw)
Shit opinion. Ivory King DLC is great and mogs DS3 snow area visually. Idiots only remember it badly because of Frigid Outskirts (which is an optional area for masochists you don't need to actually complete).

>>736258623
it overstays it's welcome

>>736258906
>Except that my video shows 2+2=5? Why do you keep saying 2+2=4?
There are four lights, Satan.

>>736246960
fpbp

>>736253942
>Stayd
He will literally never release his mod.
>DS2 Lighting Engine guy
It's done, but he's forever bolting features onto it and there aren't enough people making good presets that use those new features