In retrospect, did we overestimate the impact of a FFVII remake? people said it would be the biggest game in history. Now we have it and it's most played by old FFVII fans. FFVII wasn't as big as peopel thought
>>736249539After people played Remake, its target audience became only the diehard VII fans who were always going to like it no matter what it was.
made me hate the characters and setting. so it's all good.
>>736249539An actual remake of FF7 would have made more impact. This is Square Enix Action Game #74, and it pissed off the people who expected Final Fantasy 7 Remake would be a remake of Final Fantasy 7.
>>736249539It's not actually a VII remake and it came out way too late to cash in on VII's popularity. If this was made PS3/360 era it would've exploded but now it's a wet fart packed with out of place memberberries
>>736249761I think the real mistake is that they turned it into 3 games for some fucking reason. You can't just play it and move on. It's a 7 year release cycle. You have to keep thinking about and being reminded of this failure for nearly a decade.
>>736249539They only had to keep the story and the writing in the spirit of the original game.People (rightfully) taped out when the kingdom hearts bullshit started popping out. Not to mention the swath of uninteresting, stupid and unpleasant trash characters from the compilation that add nothing to the story.So by design the remakes ended up being something that was bound to fail.
arent there like 700 games called final fantasy 7? i know very little about this series but i always see a bunch of different games all called final fantasy vii: [subtitle]
>>736249539it made me play the real FF7. not touching the remakes until it's complete, in a bundle and less than 10 bucks on sale.
>>736249938>fail7R was at 8.5 million sales at the last milestone a year ago.
>>736249539they didnt make a remake. they skinwalkered the cast and sold some time cop corridor simulator. one of worst "stories", if you can call it that, with mmo tier go fetch side quests and the modern trash rpg action combat. why they expected anyone to enjoy it is a mystery.
>>736249539If it only were a remake and not a slog fanfic with marvel characters that never shut up
>>736249539I overestimated it because I thought it was going to suck and it turned out to be great and pretty successful.
>>736249539If anything, we underestimated just how Square could botch the job just to indulge their pretentious creativity.
>>736249539In hind sight I wish they kept sickly Cloud from the reveal trailor.
>>736251119>pretty successful.You really thought it wasn't going to be very successful? part1?
>>736249539they missed their train. should've started developming it when they got their first 360 dev kit. this franchise is completely uninteresting to kids. it's all geezers.
>>736249539Because it's not the remake people wanted.>Trilogy gradually released over 7+ years instead of one game>Story was stretched out and altered to be a sequel to the compilation than a straightforward remake>Most classic FF fans still see red when presented with action RPG combatThis is for the diehards who will buy and praise anything featuring FF7 characters.
>>736249857That's the real death knell. Any interest I have in it gets killed by the thought of them taking a game that came out 30 years ago, stretching it out, and selling it to me 3 times over the course of multiple years.
>>736249539They waited too long. All throughout the 00's final fantasy's identiy as a brand was defined by FF7. FF7 was the only Final Fantasy to get multiple successful sequels and spinoffs until XIII, which was still nowhere near as popular because they were still releasing 7 related content at the time that was mogging it.There was a point in time when FF7 was the best selling game of all time. It'd be like if nintendo waited until the past couple of years to remake OOT and Majoras Mask, except if also the remakes are barely anything like the originals and the youngest zoomies and alphags go>Huh? It's just breath of the wild again...gay!instead of remaking them faithfully and in a timely manner.
>>736249983Yeah. FF7 was extremely popular so they made a bunch of spinoff tie ins and sequels and movies and shit. Formally this made an entire branch of FF called "The Compilation of Final Fantasy 7". All of it except the original game was total dookie though.
>>736253148>There was a point in time when FF7 was the best selling game of all time.This has literally never been truePeople really do have a massively ibflated notion of FF's popularity. It is the biggest JRPG series yes, but nearly every other genre of game outsells it, including wrpgs.The Witcher 3 alone outsold FF7 and like half the entire FF franchise added on top.
Im just glad we got it at all. Its pretty fun man.
>>736250503Thats less than the original
>>736249983In the mid 2000s they made a stupid number of sequels and prequels. They all sucked.
>>736249539If it was good things would be different. Turning FFVII into a decade long project with shit tier kingdom hearts writing and weaving in the compilation trash that made people turn away from FFVII in the first place was a retarded idea that only the mongoloids responsible for advent children could have assumed would work.
>>736249539No, the game was a bait and switch and turned the excitement into resentment. it's not rocket science. the worst part of the changes is it's neither a sequel nor a remake. the new story changes have ruined multiple of the most iconic scenes in the entire franchise at this point, but at the same time they've been too pussy to go all in on it being a sequel. the result is a product with zero identity and reason to exist.
FF7 was unironically just FOTM for the zoomers of the time.
>>736253687this is one of the reasons why I can't accept criticism of viir. people should be grateful, but instead they bitch.
>>736249539They took too long to come out with it and splitting it into multiple games across more than one console generation eroded much of its enthusiasm and goodwill. Further still the story and presentation changes made hardcore fans realize they don't really want or need a remake after all before it was even finished.People who were fans of OG FFVII when it came out have largely aged out of gaming by now.
>>736253585...anon, FF7 sold more than Pokemon Gold and Silver. Games selling a million copies or more was almost unheard of in the 90's and early 00's, while games like FF7 and Pokemon sold 15 and 12 million respectively by 2001. Why the fuck are you talking about a game that came out almost 20 years after FF7 as if this, somehow, discredits my opinion that the remakes came after FF7's popularity peaked and waned?
>make an ffvii remake for the people who want to like ffvii but not actually play ffvii>you need to have played ffvii to enjoy it because it's actually a psued meta sequel>flopsHmm really quite a mystery
>>736255385he's intentionally misrepresenting the facts in order to play down ffvii ogs success and to cope with 7rs failure>7r flopping? um... ff7 was literally never popular lol... 7r is a huge success actually, because ffvii is niche and never sold well>why are you looking at me like that? I'm telling the truth! I'm 19 years old and remember 1997 perfectly.
It's going to be tricky to knit it together into one game. But I hope, eventually, it will be one seamless epic. There would be nothing else like it.
>>736255385because he's an esl brownoid slobbering his unwanted opinion on the internet
>>736255385>>736255550What's the biggest load of shit you see kids trying to spin about the past?I can't decide if it's "banjo kazooie sold a billion copies" or "everyone hated ffvii on release for ruining final fantasy - I was there!"They love that second lie even though they can find very little evidence of anyone actually saying this shit. FFVII was a huge hit. Anyone claiming FF fans hated it are nonsense. Oh, you found a single quote from a forum where a guy says he liked 6 more than 7? Well done.
>>736254997You obviously don't have to be grateful when a game you don't want comes out. Still, it's nice to see a fun Final Fantasy game instead of more FF15.
>>736253585>It is the biggest JRPG series yes, but nearly every other genre of game outsells itI'm really enjoying your pathetic attempt to position FF as both an underdog and a big dog.>FF is a smol bean franchise... it can't outsell anything...>but FF is the number one jrpg! So don't even mention dragon quest or persona because FF clears that shit! ARF ARF!!
the amount of uhhh i'm injured so hold up to slowly shuffle towards the goal sections in these games is disgustingI want some money right now to fix the stickdrift they gave me
>>736249603I disagree, I think the diehard 7 fans left the second that they saw a time ghost
>>736249539Whoever's idea it was to make 3 separate games, spread out over two or more console gens, separated by 3 years a game is retarded.
>>736255550>>736255724The biggest lie that isn't as easily disproven outside of anecdotes I see is the idea that tank controls were always bad, that everyone hated them, and that there was no excuse for having them after SM64 or whatever. This being despite the fact that one of the best selling games of the era was Resident Evil 2 (5 million copies by 2001) or the 2002 gamecube remake of Resident Evil (2 million copies while shackled to the gamecube) - again keeping in mind that back then just making more than 1 million qualified you for "best seller". Which really just puts the overwhelming success of Pokemon and FF7 into perspective honestly.Anyway its retarded because as the re-release of REmake showed with the updated control scheme everyone hated and reverted to the OG, certain styles of games such as fixed camera ones absolutely required tank controls. They were also intuitive and just was what people were familiar with at the time, which is why games that eschewed them to make full use of analogue controls like SM64 or Ape Escape had to go out of their way with their tutorials to try and acclimatize the player to the idea of analogue 3D movement.
>>736255927real fans would have watched youtube videos explaining why the time ghosts are good actually and convinced themselves to like it no matter what happens
>>736256241Its also worth noting since you're talking about tank controls that Resident Evil HD was the best selling digital title on the PS store when it came out, being a record holder at the time, and that the most popular mod for the 2019 re2 remake is the fixed camera angle mod + tank controls.
>>736249539The first one was huge when it came out, everyone was playing it. But then people realized they changed a lot of shit for the worse, so it kinda died out. Second one took too long to come out and a lot of people were put off by the changes of the first one so they didn't bother. Now the third one is taking way too long too. Basically should have just been a single normal remake instead of this weird sequel trilogy shit
>>736256505that's a fanboy not a real fan, like the people who only watched advent children or people who claim to be massive final fantasy fans and only played XIV
>>736256651They also decided to remake a completely different game, crisis core, after the cliffhanger from the first remake, and then made THAT remake a timed exclusive for a completely different console than what the first remake was a timed exclusive for, then everyone acts confused about why no one is playing that shit.
>>736256241I know what you mean. Also anecdotal but I never once had an issue with "tank control" and never heard the term until much later. I knew lots of resident evil fans and never once heard complaints about the controls. Flashforward many years later and I was playing resident evil with a goth who loved horror and sucking my cock behind her boyfriends back (good times) and the second she held the controller she complained about tank controls. Usually I would consider this standard girl gamer bitching but honestly she probably games more than I do. But the fact that she found it "unplayable" immediately tells me tank controls being "bad" is a phenomenon pushed only by people who were late to the game.At a certain point in history the idea of adapting to a games unique control system became alien because everyone got used to Unreal or whatever leading to standardized controls for everything. Hence the "clunky" meme. Anything that doesn't immediately do what they think the controls should do are considered bad.
>>736256505to be fair there are people who speed run ff7 (i'm talking beating it HUNDREDS of times) who still like the remake, so I don't really have a leg to stand on. The narrative personally rubs me the wrong way
>>736256241more of a reviewers thing, reviewers would decide features were outdated as a group and rip into them, devs would listen to them.
ff7 is possibly my favourite game of all time, i played it when i was like 10 years old. i have not even played the 2nd remake yet. 1st one was ok. they aren't ff7.. just because i love ff7 doesn't mean i automatically care about these remakes
>>736255927>he doesn't knowThe people who left are doomers, anon. The real fans are think each game is better than the previous one and they already know that Part 3 is GotY all years.
If Squeerix had any damn sense, they'd release a "director's cut" that omits all the added bullshit soon after they finish shitting out the trilogy.
>>736257678well for me they're hardly even RPGs, the pacing has been absolutely gutted because you spend so much time in cities doing minigames that it feels like that is the point of the game, and that the "remade" narrative is just tacked on because otherwise no one would get tricked into buying it. It blows my mind that people like it. Like FF7 had a serious story in the sense that there was quite a lot of gravitas, but all of that is out the window in the remake
>>736257125Have you ever consider what kind of person does videogames speedrun and why their opinion shouldn't matter?
>>736256947>Usually I would consider this standard girl gamer bitching but...the fact she found it "unplayable" immediately tells me tank controls being "bad" is a phenomenon pushed only by people who were late to the gamePretty much. That and what this anon said is true too >>736257135You can tell who was and wasn't playing games in the 00's based on who assumes all games should have a standardzed control schema, something that only became normal starting from the 10's. I also never really agreed with the term "tank controls" because it never felt accurate to me to what's actually happening, but it is unfortunately the term most people recognize for that kind of control scheme. What's funny about it is that it's an incredibly simple and intuitive kind of control scheme, forward will always make the character move forward in the direction they're facing. Back will always make them move back. Left will make them turn left, and right will make them turn right.Also I'm jealous you scored with a baddie. I fumbled too much as a teenager and collegenigger, by the time I was an adult goths became an endangered species. Too much 'tism on my part probably.
at this point just retire ff and work on new ip's
>>736259969the problem is they just don't have the talent to make ANY games, so they absolutely need the nostalgia factor to sell anything. Even FF doesn't sell games anymore, so they specifically need to whore out fan favorite FFs
>>736249539Funny how most major ips of the 90s get more and more popular because they keep getting new and better games.Meanwhile ffvii gets endless shit spinoffs and gacha and shit remake semi-sequels and only gets less popular. Then retards need to make up cope like "ffvii was never popular"Meanwhile resident evil is doing fine. Hell even DIGIMON is doing better than ffvii these days. SE had a golden goose and they only knew how to fuck it up.
Should've been 2 games and not 3, also more linear and streamlined and not a bloated open world. And yeah, an actual remake and not a stealth sequel that teases going in crazy new directions but never really fully commits to the idea.
>>736249539if it was fully physical on Switch 2 it would have been a much more massive success
>>736249539>people said it would be the biggest game in historyif it was made correctlyguess what? it wasn't made correctlyit's dogshit slop that maintains none of the charm or interesting aspects of the originalmodern games are bad. games designed for the "modern gamer" are bad. no ip branding will change that.all you have to do is look at a side by side picture of the mako reactor elevator from ff7 and from remake. that's it, it's done. the entire game is just that comparison, every scene, every location, it's all the same as that microcosm of the elevator.and the gameplay sucks donkey dick too, gearing is uninteresting, no equipment is fun, nothing requires your brain to make an on the fly comparison even slightly.modern devs are dogshit, squenix is dogshit, welcome to earth.
I wonder what Square's big AAA project to milk next will be after 7R trilogy. Even they have to realize people are tired of remake slop and that it can't be milked forever and XIV is also dying.
>>736261760Most of its "sales" were free ps+ downloads so Im not so sure about that. Also it never would have ran on switch.
>>736253585Reminder that the softcap for the JRPG market is 10 million and that's only for an absolute confluence of attention bossing aspects getting it that high.
>>736262152Xenogears demake
>>736262563But Nintendo hates SE
>>736262563Xenogears but taking out all the controversial content
>>736249539>waited over a year to release Rebirth on PCMaybe if you didn't kill all the hype for part 2 by doing this. And also charging $40 for a fucking DLC game starring Yuffie.
>>736249539Its not fully released thats why
>>736249750>This is Square Enix Action Game #74Retarded turd based sissy. Square makes more turd based games than any other company.
>>736263452You must hate square enix for making so many turd based games
>>736263637Actually I have spent 14 hours a day every day for the past few years defending them and shitting on their enemies. It's easy to find all my posts in the archives when you see how all my posts about turd based sissies are identical.
>>736263452Are you pretending they've never made an action game before?
>>736263907SE will outlive your raped and gaped bloodline and metaphor flopped
>>736263969Yeah I see you're not capable of even answering basic questions or even tying your shoes. Feel free to talk to yourself, I won't even try to respond.
I overestimated nothing, and got more than I asked for
>>736263637I'm playing bravely default and it's ok. Turd based shit should be relegated to handhelds.
>>736249539>Divide the entire game in 3 parts just because they think each part would sell 15M, with the first game being just the first 3 hours of the OG but stretched with minigames>make it an ARPG with terrible movements and turn the open world into an Ubisoft game>turn the entire story into KH levels of bullshit, see Zack's "alternate reality" or Aerith "death">Make it a PS time exclusive, giving people enough time to see how bad it actually is and lose any hype they could ever have They simply did everything wrong, they just needed to take the game and give it better graphics, Square still refuses to release the sales and budget for this mess. But its most likely going to be FFXIII levels of failure
>>736249539Would have been the GOTYAY if they stuck to the original. Nobody gives a fuck about time ghosts, alternate lifestream realities, etc.
>piss off OG fans by changing the story>confuse new fans by obfuscating everything hell even OG fans are confused and don't know what's happening
>>736257135>reviewers would decide features were outdated as a groupIn hindsight it clearly was due to GameJournoPros or some earlier incarnation of it.
