Why is it so overrated? Interconnected world is cool, but the bosses are lame and forgetable
>>736252290>the bosses are lame and forgetable
>>736252290>bosses are lame and forgettable
Game's about the journey, not the bosses./thread
>>736252610Would
>>736252290Becuase people weren't obsessed with action combat at the time. They treated it like a action adventure game, such as OOT, where level design and world design mattered more than how "smooth" combat felt. The level design was also unforgiving even compared to modern From entries becuase all of difficulty in Fromsoft games shifted to boss encounters rather than level difficulty/mobs.I blame post DS3 fags for everything wrong with the franchise in its current state.
>>736252797DeS and DaS are my favorites because of the levels. Can't really decide between the two which I like more though.
You have bad taste.
>>736252797why would you blame them instead of DS3 fags, retard? DS3 is the first true game where the focus had clearly shifted to anime boss fights instead of any interesting world/quest design
>>736252290It’s colored the last decade of game design and storytelling, in my opinion for the better. It’s rated appropriately.
>>736252290Decent bait, could've used a better op pic.
>>736252870demons souls world atmosphere is a bit more oppressive in a way i find appealing but i think there's just enough improvements in dark souls in the gameplay along with the world for me to like it *slightly* moreprobably wouldnt without the DLC though
>>736252290I thought the bosses were ok. I was more baffled at how linear of a game it can be
>>736252290World is about 10000x more important than bosses.
The bosses arent forgettable at all, except for demon firesage i guess.
Oh my gosh the flippin bosses?! This will NOT make my SL1 bow only backwards controller run POP OFF ON YOUTUBE!
>>736252898Post DS3 fags means everyone who started with DS3 or later.
>First half amazing>Second half one of the worst games i have ever played
>>736252290It is better than any game you like.
I give them credit for how much they got right with the first game. But the interconnected world is a gimmick and adds nothing to the game play. Every game after had tighter game play and I love the surreal use of space.
>>736252290You wouldn't get it. You just had to be there.People nowadays genuinely can't comprehend how truly great Dark Souls was because people have forgotten how to sit down and simply play a game blind. No streamers you'd seen play the game in clip highlights, no youtubers doing hour long essays explaining everything before you'd ever touched the game, no passive fanbase with decade old fronts, arguments and stale jokes.It was a console exclusive, it felt close and personal and the only people who talked about it played it and where familiar with it through first hand experience. The game had an actual sense of mystery and adventure. Nobody understood what was going on at the time, you'd miss some content and that was fine because once you go back it becomes that much more impactful to realize it was there all along. Not to mention the entire pvp community that formed, Forest Hunters and Burg pvp was lightning in a bottle.>>736253419Nice npc newfag opinion buddy. Which youtuber did you hear that one from? Or did you just repeat what you read some other shitposter on /v/ say.Because you sure as hell aren't having an independant thought or expression.
>>736253419The second half of Dark Souls is still great. I don't know why people persist with this opinion. New Londo is great, the Archives are great, and the Tomb of Giants is good and tried something unique, literally just bring a light. Lost Izalith is weak, but the middle chunk is fine. The dragon butt area is boring and the boss is absolute shit though of course.
>>736253535Adds nothing to the gameplay? Level design is almost as important as gameplay in an adventure game.
>>736253419>First half amazingNope. DS I is crap from start to finish
>>736252797The games never "shifted way from level design and mobs" whatsoever.
>>736253562Fag i have play through dark soul like 5 times
>>736253742Oh for sure that's why Elden Ring is open world with the same dungeon and enemies two hundred times.
They have always been shit.
>>736253587>New Londo is greatNo>the Archives are greatYeah>Tomb of Giants is goodNo
>>736252290The bosses aren't supposed to be cool anime shit, they are obstacles that present the player with unique problems to solve, like>what if big guy on thin wall>what if guy in alley with dogs>what if two guys>what if big guy in small arena with no safety rails>what if titty spider>what if guy who throws fireballs and clones himself but you never see it because he dies instantly>what if dragon turns into giant deadly tube
>>736253919New Londo is the best of the bunch. Tomb of Giants IS good. Bring a light.
>>736253828Elden Ring is way beter than DS I ever could be
>>736253995Cause da bosses do big trick dat you roll :D
Anyone wanna coop DaS with me?
>>736253825Nigger that's nothing and when was that, 2023?Again, your opinion is worthless if you played this post 2012.>>736253919Tomb of Giants is great>only truly DARK area in the franchise, knowing magic is actually useful>you can actually get lost if you don't proceed carefully, prismstones are actually useful>has Patches and the cleric questlineNito fight is a bit ass I guess.
>>736254034I don't play Shitmastered, so no.
The games worked because westoids forgot how to play melee games after pawning wiggers in Cowadoody 24/7, having to wait for the Slow Guy with a Sword to end his combo so you can kill him was too much back in 2011-2016. Now that the dust has settled, the magic is gone, the lie is no more. Dark Souls was never good. The only good game in the series (or better yet, the genre) is Dark Souls 2 and it's so terribly flawed that it's barely a decent game when measured by the standards of the industry. There are no other good soulslikes, Fromsoft has never released a worthwhile product after 2014 (excluding Scholar the GOAT).
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>>736254415Who said that it has to be shitmastered? Does PTDE not support coop anymore?
>>736254597No it doesn't, all souls games got pulled offline for a few months a couple years ago because of server exploits, they brought them back but killed PTDE permanently.
>>736254415That bonfire looks horrendous and was never meant for anything higher than 1080p
>>736254847Dogshit taste, go play your shitmastered.
>>736254996Much better
>>736255051First pic is standard bonfire, the webm bonfire is kindled to the max.PTDE is best version.
>>736252290Always thought this cover looked bad compared to the Japanese one.
Dark Souls has the best atmosphere because there's no teleportation until the end where you've seen everything. Being able to teleport anywhere constantly ruins the immersion.
I prefer easy or gimmick bosses. DS1 has just enough "le hard" bosses in the DLC.
>>736252290Has any indie done a 3D metroidvania like the first half of DS1 yet?
>>736252290It was called the first hard game ever and Redditors believed it.
>>736254415basedfuck shitmastered
>>736252290>muh bosseskys tourist secondary
>>736254841Let’s just play remastered. Add me on steam if you’re actually down: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199523693560/
>>736253587>I don't know why people persist with this opinionThey're favorite youtuber said so
>>736253419Shitty meme
>>736252290Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 are the only Fromsoft games with good bosses. Before Bloodborne most bosses were slow, lame, poorly designed and even unfinished. Look at how Ornstein moves in DS1 this nigga's fight was rushed I never understood why people thought this fight was awesome. After DS3 they went overkill and Elden Ring is complete shit because of that. Now every boss in Fromsoft games will do retarded anime triple backflip into delayed attacks with combos for 3 minutes before you can finally try to hit the dude. Fromsoft is already DEAD and their games are mostly fucking overrated.
Confession: I've never played the DLC.
>>736255758Bloodborne has terrible bosses outside the DLC
>>736253419You're an NPC without a single unique thought in your head
>>736255797Shit man go play it. The DLC has some of the best bosses in the series. I always pretend its the real second half of the game.
>>736252610SEXO
>>736255893This is cap
>>736253587I thought it was overhated until I played a day one build of the game out of curiosity and now I think it was underhated if anything. Lost Izalith was so unbelievably bad before the aggro range on the dragon asses was reduced that it almost spoiled the entire game for me. The combination of the extremely bright and loud lava and enemies that are too large to see approaching you and can kill you in one or two hits, and the bed of chaos was fucking cancer. God help you if you didn't know about the hidden bonfire or secret shortcut.
>>736252290Because people simply did not play many games back then so dark souls was the initial exposure to a lot concepts. Several games were far harder than this game during its heyday but no one cared because they don't play games. "Interconnected world" has been done already. The games true strength is the level design but people act like it literally invented aspects of 3d action games that were already present when it came out. It's a good game that came out at the literal perfect time. People growing tired of AAA handhooding, simple gameplay so anyone can understand, advent of internet memes in normalfag spaces, advent of Twitch so people can see their favorite parasocial faggot die over and over in le hardest game ever made xd.
>>736256202>Because people simply did not play many games back thenRetarded, incorrect post in the first couple of wordsDidn't read further
>>736253665Naw. Give me a loading screen instead of back tracking.
>>736256905Backtracking isn't inherently bad.
>>736252290The bosses are more of an extension of DS1's design philosophy of geometric problem solving rather than mechanically sophisticated fights. Plunging attacks, hiding on a ledge the boss can't reach, kiting them off a cliff, using pillars for cover, and so on. It doesn't sound like much, Demons Souls bosses had more contrived gimmicks while Dark Souls usually just asks you to make use of some environmental quirk to shift the fight in your favour. It doesn't want to be an action game. At least until Artorias, which set the blueprint for their boss design in later games. I replay Dark Souls 1 every year and despite its rough spots i'm still in awe of how defining it is.
>>736253535>adds nothing to the gameplayYou have to actively plan your progress route in a way you don't have to think about in any other game. I'm going for a pyro build so I need to rescue Laurentius from the depths, go here for my melee weapon, here for this spell, here to farm twinkling titanite, then visit the blacksmith, you need to understand the geography of the world to map this out. It's not a flat open world where you can just run from A to B, there are real consequences for planning poorly and rewards for planning well.
Anyone wanna coop any of the souls games?
>>736258184No, co-op is cringe.
>>736252290Elden Ring destroys this game
>>736258925Not if we RPI’ll be guts and you can be Griffith
>>736252290>he's a bossfag
>>736252290>but the bosses are lame and forgetableWhich bosses have you forgotten?
>>736259034No thanks, I'd rather have a giant ape throw shit in my face.
DS2 was the last true soulslike
>>736259120Fuck Elden DOGSHIT Ring and anyone who likes it.Thank God Sekiro and Armored Core VI weren't open-world slop.
>>736259368Uh oh, this nigger found the thread
>>736256296Yeah bro NG2 coming out 3 years prior yet shit Souls got the moniker of hardest game ever made. Really tells me people back then really played games back then.
>>736259507Duuude difficulty is all that matters
>>736259507The vast majority of souls players are low IQ retards who got filtered by the millions in DaS2:SOTFS, Sekiro and Nightreign.You expect them to play supreme games like NGII? Lmao.
Before retards like (You) came and From Software decided to cater to its braindead fanbase, the souls games (not like it lasted for long desu) were about exploration, adventure, overcoming challenging but interesting and memorable levels. It was all about the journey, overcoming challenges the world throws at you and immersing yourself in a unique fantastical world. Bosses tried to be varied and memorable, and served to the greater purpose. Unfortunately, retards thought the reason those games were great is because le epic bosses and "look how hardcore I am, bro. I beat Dark Souls", and sadly From was even dumber to listen and cater to these same retards and now we have shit like DS3 and Elden Ring (though it started with DS2 and BB) where it's all about bosses who are all pretty same shit where you just roll to win while all other parts and aspects of the game, the parts that made the series so great in the first place, were completely shafted. The series got completely flanderized.
>>736255758Half the bosses in DS3 suck ass, the roster gets carried hard by the DLCs
>>736261053Elden ring’s main focus is exploration and world building, though.
>>736252290a lot of games being made at the time basically didnt even have gameplay and were so easy they played themselves. Dark Souls was a return to like Snes difficulty which was very refreshing at the time.
>>736252290which boss filtered you, casul?
>>736262063>explorationRunning around in a boring time-wasting open-world is not exploration, it is retardation. Kill yourself.
>>736262360For some reason people have forgotten that the most popular games at the time of Dark Souls release were corridor shooters and Skyrim
>>736254415My brother!The demaster and canning of ptde from stores was a fucking crime.
>>736264827It’s not that much big of a deal though. It’s still a great game regardless.
>>736252870DaS was such a watered down piece of shit knock off of Demon's.
>>736266791How so?
>>736266872DeS had world tendency, which DaS removed.
>>736267031Yeah that's about it. It also improved on level design, weapon variety, build variety, and blows Demon's Souls out of the water when it comes to world building. I also prefer Demon's Souls, but to act like they aren't basically the same quality of game is dishonest shit side-pickers do.
