>Dude we can't kill this dragon so lets just send him to the future and let someone in that time deal with him lmao Why were these faggots let into Sovngarde?
I'm pretty sure you just end up doing the same as these three did, although the story tries to make it more ambiguous to try and be "le heckin mystical."
>>736263417Alduin's soul got absorbed. He died.
>>736263195Apparently they asked Miraak to do it but he said no
>>736263195None of them are Dragonborn so defeating Alduin isn't possible for them. The fact that they were able to fight him at all despite being mostly normal mortals is pretty impressive.>>736263417>>736263507What happens to Alduin is kind of ambiguous. The player doesn't absorb his soul, visually it looks like his soul gets sucked up into the sky so that could mean that Lorkhan is absorbing it, or maybe Akatosh is absorbing it and Alduin will eventually be reborn again to properly end the world like he's supposed to.
>>736263195It worked, didn't it?
who even wrote the elder scrolls
>>736263810the Toddhead
>>736263810I did
>>736263810Kuckbride
>>736263810Asking any questions about the elder scrolls is pointless because the answer is always "whatever serves the plot at the moment", they're nothing more than a shitty one-size-fits-all plot device.
>>736264032koyuuukkiiii
>>736263716>Hey can you kill your own kin for us, please and thank you>Fuck no>You're a bad person then b- because we said soNords are such whiny faggots. No wonder Dunmer want them gone.
>>736263717As established in-game, the Dragon soul performs New Scarab with the biggest, meanest Soul fragment around (Thank you, Miraak, for being a dick and stealing all my souls to prove that)If Alduin was slain on Nirn, you'd have fused with Alduin. But in Aetherius, there's a bigger fish in the form of Akatosh.Alduin will never be Reborn. Aka *might* do his original job, but the Marukati made sure that Aka is more invested in letting shit play out, despite how bad shit's gotten thanks to the world rotting on the vine
>>736263195one day I'm gonna make a mod where you just resend him in the future and call it "not my problem"
>>736263810ted peterson
>>736263195only a dragonborn can slay alduin. they physically could not do it.
>>736263810It would take a month to explain to you how that very question doesn't even make sense
>>736263810They'll reveal it in Elder Scrolls VI: Kangz of Tamriel.
>>736264518>As established in-game, the Dragon soul performs New Scarab with the biggest, meanest Soul fragment aroundYou're clearly a bigger lorefag than I am because I have no clue what this means
>>736263716Because he couldn’t
>>736264518I actually like this answer. Too bad when Elder Scrolls 6 comes out in 2037 they'll just pretend Skyrim didn't happen.
>>736263810Elder Scrolls are a third person view of Aurbis that interface view reality outside of space time entirely thanks to a "bridge" created by subgradient of all of the broken down souls leading to dreamsleeve hence the birds eye view from Anu subconsciousness. Elder scrolls therefor are just a point of view, and Elder Scrolls were most likely formed into a (meta)physical object by Magnus, but once Magnus escaped when he realized the imposed linear time and mortality upon Mundus, Mnemo-Li one of the most important characters in entire TES lore actually took it upon herself to lead help and allow mortals to achieve true freedom by guiding them through un-times, dragonbreaks and the elder scrolls themselves.The reason why Mnemo-Li knows about what mortality must achieve is because she was created as his daughter by Sotha Sil after he realized the prisoner dilemma of Elder Scrolls, then he gave "birth" to Mnemo-Li and in the moment he gave birth to the artificial "blue" star she imbeded herself into the un-time hence she appeared in past even before she was born. Mnemo-Li is most likely responsible for allowing time shenanigans like Pelinal Whitestrake, hence the STAR made knight. >>736264518Alduin is impossible to kill on Mundus, not as in it would be difficult but as int it is literally impossible.>>736264658Only Dragonborn can kill Alduin only in a plane other than Mundus and only using Dragonrend. Here is specifically how it works both through stats and how it works through Alduins dialogue>Alduin is fully invincible and can not be harmed at all on Mundus>If you cast Dragonrend on Alduin he becomes damageable.>Mortals still can not damage Alduin because all Dragons have secret damage resistance stat, all Dragons receive 50% less damage from mortals, Alduin gets 100% damage resistence.>Dragon damage resistance does not work on Dragonborn, when you attack dragons they receive full damage from you. cont.
I want a mod that takes the dragon born back to the mythical era and revisits the dragon cult
>>736265171Not that anon, but Scarab is the 6th walking way that is associated with gathering monomers or smaller parts into a larger whole. Chim is fourth walking way for example.Even Empire building falls under the Scarab walking way, but for Divine level reenactment of the Scarab that can actually grant you Apotheosis you would need to somehow use higher level cosmological involvement. Tiber Septim and Vivec are the only two known individuals (other than a certain Sul) who have walked all 6 walking ways and could achieve Amaranth, but both did not because they are egotistical assholes.>>736265334>When you take Alduins health to zero his form STILL can not be broken>Felldir: "You do not understand. Alduin cannot be slain like a lesser dragon. He is beyond our strength. Which is why I brought the Elder Scroll.">Meyz mul, Dovahkiin. You have become strong. But I am Al-du-in, Firstborn of Akatosh! Mulaagi zok lot! I cannot be slain here, by you or anyone else! You cannot prevail against me. I will outlast you... mortal!>Alduin is bound to Mundus through Aka spirit and because he is invested in the formation of the plane he can not be destroyed on Mundus at all.>Alduin fears of being imprisoned or somehow bound though or sent through time again so he runs away to sovngarde to feed on more souls and come back stronger to fuck you up.>You go to Sovngarde, use Dragonrend, use your Dragon damage resist negation AND because he is in another plane now his form breaks.
>>736265318don't worry emil will make some paper planes from the lore... Here build another useless shack
>>736265171The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man is one of the Six Walking Ways of becoming god. It is most traditionally associated with the concept of Soul-Fusion.AKHAT, the mythical super-entity behind Akatosh, Alduin, Alkosh, and Auriel, was shattered into pieces by The Marukhati in their attempt to cleanse their image of AKHAT of Aldmeri Stasis-Taint (IE: Most of what AKHAT is) and fill the gaps with the image of Mankind (Shor/Lorkhan).It resulted in one of the worst Dragon Breaks in history, and retroactively seperated AKHAT into all of his seperate pieces. The least pieces are Dragons as we know them.As dragonborn, you essentially are soul-fusing dragon pieces together and are essentially aiding Akatosh in rebuilding himself.
>>736264539Would be funny if he appears again in 1 month in-game time
>>736263195He was a metaphor for climate change and it went over all yalls heads
>>736265334>Alduin is impossible to kill on Mundus, not as in it would be difficult but as int it is literally impossible.This is why I say "If"Though Impossibility isn't Impossibility in TES. You can theoretically kill Alduin in Mundus, but you need to have some real scary Metaphysical shit backing you up.
>>736265960Fun fact, though: if you've completed rhe majority of side-quests when you hit the first Alduin boss fight, you theoretically have more than enough tools to achieve this. Problem is the Dragonborn's a fucking Retard and doesn't know how go shave Nymics with the Razor, Unlock Alduin's death with the Skeleton Key, or try and use the Scrolls to summon the Ur-Scroll of Time
>>736265835After years of research I think that what happened with marukhati selective is actually the opposite of what people think happened. Akhat got shattered at convention because of his separation from Lorkhan and his kingly aspect had to reassemble as Akatosh the ruler head while a mythopoeic aldmeri version of himself reascended through himself back to Aetherius creating an aspect of ascension for mortals, Alduin obviously being the stomach/hunger of Satakal/Akhat etc. Then either lesser shards in untimes themselves turned into lesser Dragons or lesser spirits tearing apart and consuming and drinking blood of the lesser shards resulted in lesser dragons.Then the reason why Dragonbreak happened was because Marukhati wanted to prove mono unitary nature of Akatosh but because he is not and because even Shezarr is part of him their experiment results in the worst Dragonbreak since it was trying to force Akatosh into a state which he was not in and can not be removed from since it would require unbinding of Mundus. This is my current take on what seems to have happened.
I think what's crazy about Elder Scrolls is there's so much lore with the Gods that are actively going on but you only see the smallest glimpse of it. The Daedra princes are mere children in the grand scheme of things.
>>736266189This take is also true, as per the nature of the Dawn.
>>736265334btwSee the tiny alien baby in the stomach of Sotha Sil in the original Mural of the ALMSIVI that you can find on walls of Morrowind?That tiny baby that Sotha Sil is pregnant with is Mnemo-Li before her birth before his death, though after her birth she retroactively always existed before time.
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>>736265860even funnier paired with that mod that adds a time limit before alduin eats the world. long playthroughs will just be cycles of you sending him into the future again in between faction questlines.
>>736266290Honestly starting from Morrowind the "meta plot" has been progressing significantly. People underestimate how much of deep lore was revealed or figured out between each game despite their shortcomings. Even ESO managed to get in a few good writers that managed to write a few good texts like truth in sequence before said writers got laid off.
>>736266290Some princes are children, but others know that shit's going on.After all, there's a reason why the Ruddy King of Lyg has close ties to both knowm CHIMsters of this Kalpa
Have there ever been retcons in Elder Scrolls and if so what were the most significant?
>>736266658VEHK IS NOW ALWAYS A GODCYROD IS NEVER ONCE JUNGLEDALDUIN ENT AKATOSH
>>736263195It wasn't like they didn't try, anon. Besides, aren't Redguards time travelers who fled their original cycle to escape destruction? Punting the apocalypse into the next era and praying someone figures it out is a pretty feasible strategy in this setting.
>>736266290Ultimately out of all of the Et'Ada the twin serpents Akatosh and Lorkhan and all of their associated aspects are the most powerful, hence why a temporary avatar of Akatosh could not only destroy Dragon but also recreate a new liminal barrier from scratch in what was 3 minutes basically. That's because effectively as far as reality is concerned, Akatosh and Lorkhan are subgradients/souls of Anuiel and Sithis, and of Anu and Padomay respectively. Aka/Lorks existence allowed all the other Gods to even form.If both of them were not crippled or "dead" everyone else basically plays in their playground with them being the only adults around.
Reading posts from TES lore scholars always gives a funny feeling. Like the realization of being a tiny cog in a much grander scheme.
>>736266290That's kinda been the weakness of the series - there is some genuinely nutty shit going on in the setting, but it's all tucked into the backstory and lore entries.
>>736266658There are two types of retcons, those that are elegantly weaved into mythical nature of Elder Scrolls and are completely fine with the community, and those that are inelegant and retarded. Volkihar clan changing into generic vampires, Green pact being semi-optional and Ithelia existing certainly fall into ugly retsrdedly changed or inserted lore. Same with how the mechanics of soulgems are retconned literally every game.
>>736266658The Nords never had an original culture. Everything they do has been practiced by other races. They're not even the birthright citizens of Skyrim.
>>736266658>Have there ever been retcons in Elder ScrollsYes quite a few>what were the most significant?Probably Cyrodil being a jungle and imperials not really being a race
>>736266871It's not that difficult to be honest. Once you have cursory understanding of Gnosticism and occult practices like hermeticism you realize that PGE era Kirkbride metaphysics are literally that, just left hand magic from real esoteric circles with changed names, and everything makes sense.After that it's just remembering history and individuals and finding random trivia which is much closer to an average setting.
>>736266767To be fair, what rose from the Red Diamond was the fused essence of every soul of every Dragonborn Emperor to ever bear the Amulet, which is a rather large chunk of AKHAT and possibly a sizable amount of LRKHAN as well.
>>736266974Are Imperials not being a race really that big of an issue? I always though Imperial just meant someone who was from Cyrodil. Like a nationality.
>>736266658Not a massive one but always found the progression of the Dark Brotherhood to be funny. Dark Brotherhood went from Mephala worshippers in Daggerfall to devotees of Sithis in Morrowind with the head agents of a branch being called a Night Mother to having the Night Mother be some spooky ghost hag in Oblivion that the head of the Dark Brotherhood talks to. Skyrim doesn't really retcon anything pertaining to them just adds the keeper roll.
>>736266871That's why I really like the books in Elder Scrolls. They're not long, they're written in an intriguing way that makes you want to go look for more books and read them. It's a good way to establish background lore and you don't need to watch someone youtuber summarize it for you.
>>736266871It's always fun revealing Cosmic secrets to people. I'd make a great villain in the Lovecraft Mythos.
>>736267056It was sizeable enough to manifest and to create the lineman llimenal barriers, but I doubt this is comparable to even 1% of Aka/Lork in their full state.Effectively the very spacetime fabric of visible Aurbis is their "body" if we do not count the void.
>>736267086I think it is more of a shame because regional distinctions between niben and colovians is completely neglected in oblivion
>>736267191It's truly hard to determine power scales in TES, since shit's shrouded in Mythic Resonance and the Memory or Metaphor of power often is as equivalent to that power as the power itself.It's possible that in the seconds the Enantiomorphic Avatar existed, it rose up with the full might of AKHAT and LRKHAN of Convention
>>736267097I wouldn't be too surprised if the Night Mother is still just Mephala pretending that Sithis is being Worshipped
>>736266529I think Nocturnal, Namira, Hermaeus Mora, and one other I'm forgetting are exceptional Daedra who for some reason are way more powerful than the others but I don't really remember the details.
>>736266974>>736267086Aren't they Atmorans who settled in Niben Bay and developed their cultural identity through their interactions and conflicts with the Ayleids?
>>736267435Would be funny. Pitting the Morag Tong and Dark Brotherhood against each other despite both venerating the same deity would be very fitting for the web spinner.
>>736267442They've all claimed the title of Ur-Daedra, and all of them are Liars (Herma-Mora being a broken Scroll, Nocturnal having stolen her shade, and Namira constantly bickering with Nocturnal)Jyggy has likely the most claim to being the Eldest, since his betrayal mirrors Convention: An Anuic Brother Betrayed by Padomaic Kin
>>736266871I like that the games leave room for theories, not every piece of lore is set in stone. Unlike how Japanese writers do their games. They have to either be overtly cryptic (Dark Souls) or convoluted bullshit (Final Fantasy).
>>736267442Nocturnal is shadow, shadow in TES is literally a universal Jungian shadow that contains all unactualized realities, therefore she is connected to all possible timelines that could have been but were not. This is why shadow magic is overpowered. Namira is the call of creation to the void of Sithis, hence decay, she is basically entropy itself and caused the void in Lorkhans heart.Hermaeus Mora is a collective result of all secrets from passed and discarded Kalpas manifest as one entity. As you can probably tell all of them are actually related to Akatosh and Lorkhan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf7ROU2_8UA
why must i always beeline it to the elf smasher axe and proceed to decapitate everything i encounter?
>>736263417>>736263507>>736263717Alduin's form as seen in Skyrim is a first incarnation. He's coming back
>>736267791As opposed to the kind of game it was back then?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lf-j4DLVus
>>736267753I'd more honestly believe that the Dark heart was a sliver of Namira designed to puppet Lorkhan's corpse than her being around during Sithis's moves
>>736267791Fuck off with your rage bait
>>736263507No? His soul isn't absorbed by the Dovahkiin. He simply got sent back to daddy Akatosh for a spanking for trying to destroy the universe for fun.
>>736267791>Only Argonians can breath underwater - Floyd of Riften kek
>>736267753Me when a shadow magic user casts "You aren't the Hero, idiot" (My mythic role of Hero is more important than my identity, so now I'm just a Dunmer man instead of being a buff Nord lady):
>>736267794Hey, at least it's not stealth archery. All roads lead to stealth archery.
>>736266871I hope the grander scheme involves big falmer milkers
So you're telling me there are moments in the lore where a character just thought too hard and he became metaphysical?
Coincidence or spark of genius? Your call.
>>736264206ｺﾕｷ!
>>736268329Does anyone have the actual post for that? I thought it was super interesting.
>>736268329Coincidence that is kino nonetheless. I can't imagine post Morrowind Bethesda being that thoughtful but I suppose stranger things have happened.
>>736268329Obviously fully intentional, just like imperial city being in the shape of the map of the universe in oghma infinium
>>736263195If you can't beat em, seal em. Basic strategy innit.
>>736267017>>736267186https://youtu.be/iOf5Bz30jyM
>>736268617Link routinely beats Ganon/Ganondorf, though, he just keeps coming back due to the curse of Demise.
>>736265334This smells like ESO garbage. Non canon crap.
>>736266871It's a bit cringe in that they always bust out the thesaurus to try to punch up their posts, but yeah the lore is cool
>>736268825See>>736266395If you don't believe me
>>736268837It's just annoying to write without using correct phrases.
>>736266658All of the retcons are actually just the elder scrolls fucking with the timeline, and not the writers writing themselves into a corner
>>736268837I can't help it these days, it all just flows out in a constant stream of Metaphysicsl madness.
>>736268329literal malkavian
>>736269039lol same. It's not me explaining it in a smart way on purpose, the lore is just genuinely that interesting.
>>736268837its kind of cute you think a thesaurus would be that helpful
>>736269637Bazinga
>>736268825A lot of it is. Mnemoli was Mankar Camoran's name for what ESO calls the Magna Ge (the beings that followed Magnus when he ripped a hole in reality after Lorkhan did a funny). ESO decided Mnemoli was now an individual, and all the stars of Magnus were collectively the Magna Ge. Everything else is just ESO nonsense. The sketch from Kirkbride is a Morrowind-era one with meaning attributed to it by ESO writers. Kirkbride talks in his posts about the Mnemoli as the collective that Camoran describes them as, and says the baby in Sotha Sil is named 'Memory':>Also note the cosmic baby growing inside Sotha Sil. While Sotha Sil is dead as we saw in the add-on pack "Tribunal", the child survived. >It also sets the stage to introduce Sotha Sil as another Big Winner, because while Vivec is the mother of the new Dream, Sotha Sil births Memory, who presumably is going to go with the Amaranth to help them. And this means that even though Vivec provices the materials for creation to continue, it is Seht who will set the pattern of that creation.>It's Memory. Have fun with what that means. It is non-canon since it's just Kirkbride's ramblings, but I'll still put more stock in his words than ESO writers'. They didn't even have a reason to change the name, they just made up a new name for the Mnemoli and changed Memory's name to Mnemo-li. Aside from being stupid, it just muddies the waters for no reason. I will never forgive UESP mods for allowing ESO dogshit on their site and ruining every fucking page with it. Having to click on every source to see if it's ESO or canon is extremely fucking annoying.Every single time I'm trying to read something on Morrowind it's like>Ash yams are a tuber cultivated by the Dunmer on Vvardenfell.[1] They were brought to the island by Princess Yakuba in the year -50RF when the island was still primarily occupied by Argonians and Sload who lived in harmony before the Chimer arrived and turned them all into slaves and soap.[2][7][45]
>>736263195>the woman is the only one who dies fighting alduin>the other two dont even notice nor care she got chewed up and spat out dead
>>736263716He could had done it anytime he wanted to, you know.
>>736266516Too bad that everyone behind that lore is now gone. It's Emil's series now
>>736271520I thought he was busy ruining Fallout?
>all the UESP articles are vandalized with ESO lore
>>736263810It was MEand I did it like this!
>>736263195>"DUDE WE CANT KILL THIS DRAGON SEND IT TO THE FUTURE">in the future the dragon gets giga amped and is infinitely more powerful>just beat it to death with hammers and swords with 1 extra guy
>>736270012>t. mircuck
>>736272130>All for nothing because it will return anyways
>>736263716Could Miraak actually take down Alduin? If we grant that he was strong enough at the time, could be actually win despite that prophecy on Alduin's Wall specified the Last Dragonborn, or would fate dick him over and just hand him a loss no matter what?
>>736273554Does Miraak even know dragonrend actually? I don't think he ever had use for it since he could just Your Soul is Mine any dragon
>>736273725Bend Will won't work on alduin since he got no "dragon soul"
>>736263195They didn't realize that Alduin could fuck with time the way he does.
>>736274923In their defense, time is kind of fucky in general in this setting.
>>736266945Thalmor talons typed this post.
>>736275385Yeah, that's why it's not fair to really blame a bunch of random low int nords for not knowing any better. Besides, it all worked out in the end, and if it works, it works.
>>736268329wat?
>>736267674Me too
