Halo 2's campaign unironically has one of the best storylines and best-written dialogue in vidya history.
>>736268951At this point it's become underrated. I'll never really understand 4chan's hateboner for Halo, but even in mainstream internet it seems like Halo is getting forgotten. I'll never forget though.
>>736269349It's like RPG Codex shitting their adult diapers over new RPGs, just an older generation of people latched onto the past and pushed into the corner to be forgotten. Halo had a really terrible reception back in the day by hardcore Quakefags who transitioned to niche places like this once their time in the sun was up. It's just they were so loud here that newfags picked up on it and kept the hateboner alive for the sake of fitting in despite not even knowing why they were pissed in the first place.
>>736269528It's because Halo is ez baby mode, mechanically, compared to the boomer shooters of its day, which is because it was released on a console and had to accommodate the limits of controlling with an xbox controller. The gimmicks that modern boomer shooters use to still feel good on controller while being mechanically complex hadn't been invented yet.
>>736269349They hate it because it helped lead to what would eventually create the dude-bro shooter. But unlike all those soulless dude-bro shooters, Halo was trying to make an earnest attempt at a story. Halo 2 may not be the best campaign I've ever played, but its story was surely entertaining from start to finish despite the weird aspects of the plot at times, like the Heretic leader shooting Arbiter while 343 was talking to him.
>>736268951Too bad the actual gameplay is really fucking bad and gets mogged by both CE and 3. But yeah the writing and music are great.
>>736269872>The gimmicks that modern boomer shooters use to still feel good on controller while being mechanically complexsuch as?
>>736268951Says a lot about the quality of vidya stories and dialogue in general
>>736270040Ehhhh yeah. If I was going off of pure gameplay then CE does more with less and 3 trimmed off the rough edges remaining from 2 which would make it arguably the worst of the trilogy.I think the level design and environments in 2 slightly edge out 3 for being the best though.
>the forerunners brilliant idea is to make a weapon to not kill the flood but rather literally every other life in the galaxy so the flood can't propogateLiterally burning down the entire forest to save ... nothing the entire forest is burnt downWhat did the forerunners mean by this?
>>736270040CE is so shit and I'm tired of people pretending it's not.
>>736270079weapon wheels, time slowdowns, etc that mimic you being able to swap between 8 weapons on hotkeys. better and more natural-feeling aim assist tech. etc.
>>736270146I including the level design of 2 as part of its awful gameplay. Every fucking level is basically walking down a tight corridor, which opens up into a medium sized area that you are forced to sit at for 15-20 minutes of padding, where you don't get a single checkpoint until after all 8 waves have been killed (really great synergy with the meme legendary difficulty), then some cunt on the radio says you are allowed to the next narrow corridor, which opens up to a medium sized area... It lacks the massive areas of both CE and 3. It's awful.
>>736270207there's an invincible murderer on the loosehe really likes killing people and he gets stronger every time he does itit is literally impossible for you to kill or stop him, he's just gonna keep killing and getting stronger and stronger, while having fun the whole timeyou decide it would be best to just kill everybody else in order to save them the pain and suffering, as well as spite himalso he is your son and you made him this way
>>7362701463 trimmed off (some of) 2's fat but added more fat of it's own. The new brute weapons and vehicles are pretty bad, mostly just worse reskins of the existing covenant weapons. Equipment was a super underwhelming feature. Meanwhile, 3 removed cool features like the Arbiter's active camo, which all of the Arbiter levels were actively designed around and which made them all feel radically different from Chief levels. You're also not nearly as dependent on getting assists from your Marine allies in 3 as you are in 2, the game's just way easier, which removes a big element of strategy that makes 2 replayable.
>>736269349>never really understand 4chan's hateboner for HaloHalo was stuck between butthurt snoys who couldn't play it and had nothing to compare it to or counter it, and PC mustard race who thought FPS games should play identically like quake and doom and anything deviating from that is wrong.
The cable. I'm going to cut it.
Tangentially related to the Halo hateboner, I don't understand the regular boner for ODST.It's fine, 3 is better. The levels are like 4 minutes long, the hub is kind of pointless outside of scrounging for the audio drama that doesn't even remotely fit in Halo, and the big finale is literally just a firefight tutorial. I like having more Earth levels but the whole game can be blown through in like 2 hours without even rushing.
>>736270407>Every fucking level is basically walking down a tight corridorNon-critique.>which opens up into a medium sized area More non-critique.>sit at for 15-20 minutes of paddingProvide examples.>where you don't get a single checkpoint until after all 8 waves have been killed Literally never happens.We get it, H2 vista was bad. It required Vista. Boohoo. Play on Xbox.
>>736271103When it came out, at least to me, it felt like false advertising>You're a normalfag human versus the covenant, you don't have super strength or energy shields, you're gonna have to be tacticool and shitAnd then you get the same carrying capacity as MC and you have not-shields in the form of CoD blood in your eyes. Not what I was picturing.
>>736268951and the best soundtrack>>736270040and the best gameplay
After 20 years, I will admit it's a good story with dogshit levels.
>>736272464Really wish dual wielding would come back. If it's cool, don't remove it.
>>736270398nta, but I am having trouble following the argument here.the original boomer shooters had LESS complexity than halo 2.the only reason you even had more buttons were just weapon hotkeys because the complexity of needing to pick and choose between weapons or dual wield a combination of certain weapons wasn't even a thing yet.All of the complexity the old guard brags about with boomershooters comes from forcing complexity out of the physics engine that was never intended.People just don't play the same game long enough to do that kind of thing in more complex physics engines.
>>736269349>I'll never really understand 4chan's hateboner for HaloXbox goys were completely outnumbered by bitter pissea boomers, jelly snoys, and nintendie weebs.Now it's even worse, since even former fans shit on Halo, because they are afraid to face what has been lost. But what is lost may be reclaimed...
>>736270207Because it was a mercy killing. The Flood taking over the galaxy, becoming even more powerful, and expanding to other galaxies to become a universe-tier threat would've been far worse than temporarily depriving the galaxy of all life.
