Do newfags know about Gamecenter CX or Gaki no Tsukai?
>>736275870no and they have streamers for that
>Arino says something completely innocuous about the game he's playing>the entire camera crew and assistants guffaw in laughter for 5 seconds>repeat this x100 an episode across almost all episodes
>>736276042yeah it's pretty great
>>736276042yeah i love it
>>736275913Most streamers aren't funny though
>>736276042don't forget the comfy trips and other segments
>>736276180Neither does your nipslop.
>>736276265how dare you
>>736276265based ESL tard
>They decided to just end GnT instead of having Tanaka, Yamasaki, Endo, and two other people take over when they already had guys like Melub's actor fit in perfectly with the dynamic.>They didn't decide to just follow through with a High School setup where Matsumoto and Hamada set up the gags if they can't reasonably participate anymore.I'm still mad.
>>736276483didn't they also try to cancel Matsumoto recently?
I watch most things on my TV and unfortunately Youtube deleting so many vids of both programs has really limited how much of I have seen the last 5 years or so.
i like watching it on twitch and leaving it on as background noise too
>>736275870It's been like a decade. Move on. It was all fake anyway
>>736276583No. They successfully canceled Matsumoto.He's not on Wednesday Downtown anymore.
>>736276758What do you mean 'fake'? It's a comedy show. If you mean the Batsu stuff, the only real "fakery" is them going a lot easier on the guys later on.
>>736276483Gaki still runs bro. They just don't do New Years Batsu games anymore.
>>736276758OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE IT
>>736276042Yep, and it's great.
>>736276829who is “they”and why
>>736275870>ecelebs are fine if they're on television instead of Youtube
>>736276972>ecelebkeksome retard always says this
>>736276939https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitoshi_MatsumotoRead up.
>>736276870That's what I mean. The Downtown stuff isn't what we're talking about here since that's not the complaint, just the New Years games. Their normal stuff is still mostly fine, but the New Years games were their major appeal and they're just dead for crappy trivia games.
>>736277160>but the New Years games were their major appealPersonally I like their Kiki series much more than the new years batsu. 6 hours long is a bit much to sit watching a stream.
>>736276996>raped women>got caughtCan't get away with it if you're not a billionaire.
>>736277229I'm a fan of Always Tasty but not many of those were ever subbed.
>>736277336>believing women when they metoo
>>736277417Don't blame me, blame the retards in the jury. That's why you need billions.
I remember twitch had such a good channel always airing gaki no tsukai, did they ever remade the channel?
Do they know Japan time?
>>736276042yep and that's a good thing
>>736276042Yeah its great, especially when they yell out advice during clutch moments.
>tfw no gccx 1+2 switch remaster fantranslation
Now that I'm 34 I realize Arino is not funny at all.As a comedian he sucks and the only reason I watched this show was because the games. I can't believe I used to seed that batch torrent from 2011ish, I seed TBs.
>>736276851I meant Game Center. Games weren't even hard 90% of the time
>>736276042
>>736277586gakiarchives dot comthere are tons of subbed videos uploaded, and a livestream going nonstop (breaks a lot though)
>>736277942I don't think you're actually 34.
>>736275870I feel like it's been like four years since I've watched gaki with /v/ & /jp/
>>736277983You don't think at all.
>>736277947they made a tired japanese comedian play them. He didn't have any real experience.
>>736278017But I am?
>>736277550What the fuck are you talking about? He didn't get convicted on anything. In fact he brought a defamation lawsuit against the people that accused him.
>>736276996Lel he is the japanese Louis CK
>>736278031Nigga, you're full of shit, Arino played games all the time growing up. He and Hamaguchi even got their own fucking game on game boy.
Marchen Maze subs whe-Oh wait, it was subbed.
>>736277970thank you so much anon
Where can you even watch it. Some of the sites that host his videos are dead.
>>736278076Did anyone ever submit codes on the website? What happens when you do?
>>736278031Nigga the show had like 150 eps. That "inexperience" lasts for like 20 at most
>>736277942Indeed. His style of Japanese humour is, in my opinion, horrible.Having said that, I still sort of love the guy as he's quite cute and charismatic. I like it when he gets moody at games, and when he gets gleeful when he figures something out.
>>736277947you couldn't beat most of them with no savestates or guides within a day
>>736278050And he later dropped the lawsuit cause he is a rapist
>>736278074so what, he just pretends to suck shit?
>>736278106If it's valid, I.E. the most recent episode, you get put into a raffle for the prize, which is usually the game signed by Arino.
>>736278091there is a twitch channel called notgccx streaming it 24/7 for example. and on nyaa
>>736278160there have been no convictions, fuck off
Wasn't a thank you letter from /v/ or something similar the reason a bunch of videos got taken down from youtube a while back?
I didn't even know about this.https://neotokyo2099.com/2022/07/18/hamaguchi-masaru-and-akina-minami-welcome-a-baby-boy/Goddamn, one year difference and they both look so much worse.
>>736276042comfy as hell desu
>>736275870The PS3 has no games
>>736277160It's deeply funny seeing retards who have no idea what they're talking about post as if they have any idea what they're on about."Downtown" is just Matsumoto+Hamada. The batsu games were too much effort for Downtown, even recorded across multiple days, both of them no longer do anything more than 5 minutes of walking or sitting down as hosts these days. Then Matsumoto got cancelled, now he's doing his own streaming service. Without Downtown, it's too much of an ask to have the hangers carry a 6 hour show.
>>736278125>Nigga the show had like 150 eps. That "inexperience" lasts for like 20 at mostHave you ever heard of a man known as "Dark Side Phil"? Some people are just doomed to be bad at vidya no matter what.
Why's he all sad and shit?
>>736278270>stillbirthThe fuck is this translation?
>>736278125>That "inexperience" lasts for like 20 at mostTry telling that to DSP, the man so inexperienced at life that the only reason he isn't dead in a ditch yet is because of the mentally ill lolcow obsessives who keep him chuggin' along.
>>736275870no and older fags neither
I made his office for his figuarts :D
>>736278341
>>736278491You have the worst fucking handwriting I've ever seen.
>>736278076
>>736278592I know sherlock, I'm dysgraphic
>>736278270That's pretty sad.
>>736278360>"Downtown" is just Matsumoto+Hamada.The show man. The show. Not the comedy group. Of course it's just Matsumoto + Hamada, I never implied otherwise. I'm saying that the batsu games should have been Downtown overseeing it with Endo, Yamasaki, Tanaka, and two other new people replacing Downtown. Instead now the entire Batsu game business is gone and replaced for various discussions or trivia stuff.>The batsu games were too much effort for Downtown, even recorded across multiple days, both of them no longer do anything more than 5 minutes of walking or sitting down as hosts these days.Which, again, is why you'd slap them in roles like they had in the early days where Matsumoto or Hamada would make the actual games and force everyone to run through them instead of all of them running through them. The first onsen one is an example, and then there was I think either the second onsen or high school where Hamada was the one playing with I think Yamasaki and Endo while Tanaka and Matsumoto oversaw everything.
>>736278160Do you have evidence?
>>736278091>>736278209it is illegal to do piracy of these show because of copyright idiotwhy do gaijin have no morals
>>736278209>>736278091it is illegal to do pirate of copyrighted shows idiotyou gaijin really have no morals
>>736278793>>736278709What a weird bot post
I was about to link the 24/7 GnT stream that was on Kick, but it's offline. Fuck
>>736275870I know game center cx but not gaki, what kind of gaming show it is? I guess considering game center is retro games, gaki is modern games?
>>736278709>>736278793I know you're just being a fag who wants to twitter post. However legality and morality aren't the same thing, at best they're particularly estranged cousins.
can you say the same /v/?
>>736278830Instead of being a streamfag you could just download it all from the regular site for Japanese stuff. view/2083816
>>736278838Gaki no Tsukai is just punishment games various comedians go through where they try not to laugh as the staff try to make them laugh via gags or even just letting them fart around doing nothing and make each other laugh. They do have shovelware on the 3DS though.
>>736278830He said he won't be back online till late April.
>>736278894Shut up bitch I'm literally doing that right now/view/1846587
>>736278896That's not what Gaki no Tsukai is.That was a once a year special they did on new years eve. The entire rest of the year it was just a variety show.
>>736278709What's shit is that even if we got [thing], it would be some dogshit version of it because of transfag californians injecting their fucking politics into it.
>>736278881Yeah, I don't want to play modern Zelda at all.
>>736278709I looked up that account and it's 100% a larping Indian, lmao
>>736275870He sold out
>>736278689You don't seem to have even the most basic understanding of the industry.When Matsumoto went "I can't be bothered with the new year SP anymore", that's it. The whole "oh, they could have done this, or this...", it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter anymore, because Matsumoto is blackballed from TV, so even if he had a "change of heart" (read: a really big bag of money), they still wouldn't do it.
>>736279157v-whores are a tumor that spread to all japanese things I love
>>736279184The alternate is this.
>>736276042You're just jealous that you're not funny like Arino is.
>>736279157i mean if it makes sense for anyone to do this then it's japan
>>736275870i liked the "early" ones where he really pushed himself to finish the games, the recent ones ive seen feel casual and kinda boring
>>736275870I have safe retro fatigue
>>736279184>secondary filtered by vtubersBased
>>736278709Also we had a LN author who got an anime show up over on /a/ to talk about it and he outright endorsed pirating if you're not able to get it otherwise.
>>736278971The once-a-year-special is what they're known for outside of Japan. Not Silent Library, not Absolutely Tasty, not Kiki, not Tanaker, etc. But you're right, it's the whole show not just the batsu games.
>>736279271that's a new one
>>736279314I'll just bring that post with me to court, should sort things out.
>>736279281This >>736279157 and >>736278076Will be the most potent gatekeeping images for GCCX.
>>736279157He's literally a middle aged to elderly comedian with a TV and film career, doing collabs with the digital equivalent of Japan's talents best described as people who are retarded on TV for a living is well within his regular role.
>>736279281>he fell for the femoid propaganda
>>736279319>Not Silent LibraryI like you moose from the bear's guild but you are absolutely wrong.Silent Library is far and wide the more famous thing Gaki did. Every single country in the world copied Silent Library it was so huge.
>>736278076>>736279380It was funny that he commented on being worried how Americans would react.>>736279467Every country also copied Matsumoto's Documental format, though at least he actually got paid by those fags at Amazon for it.
>>736279467Nice to see the bros are still hanging out here.>Every single country in the world copied Silent Library it was so huge.I can agree about that initially since it was big on early Youtube, but the Batsu games are what they ultimately ended up being known for in the long run. Silent Library was more of an early on internet thing and primarily pushed on early Youtube, but nowadays it's pretty much all Batsu games.
>>736276042>Arino and crew visit an arcade>They're trying out some game that you put boxing gloves on for>The obese AD chick puts on the gloves>Arino: "IT'S MAJIN BUU!">mfw
>>736279648The Batsu games are what Gaki is known for maybe on 4chins. But out in the world its Silent Library.And again, the Batsu games are fun to watch for the first time. After that, I can't spend 6 hours to watch something that only has a handful of really funny moments.
>any time in batsu game the crew takes a bus
>That one time they time travel back to edo>And one of the guys has to stand trial for not only being a philanderer but abusing his position to chase skirts >The trial and evidence is also in front of his family and ex-wife>He's told it will make him more popular in the end.I was always confused by that.
>replying to twitter shit xe spams for two months>>736276042kino
>>736279721Alright, fair enough, I'll concede. In my experience even in the outside world I've known more people who know of Batsu games than Silent Library but most also knew of Silent Library.>>736279807The bus is fine for the first trip. When it's more than one bus that has sketches or more than one desk it's garbage. The worst is the "scary" finales where Tanaka intentionally trips over his own feet and nothing is scary at all so it's like you're watching those skits where a fake T-rex chases a woman through a hallway and she has to act scared. The second worst is tied between "Let's sit at a quiz show where we do trivia for half an hour and laughing doesn't disqualify us" or the dreaded "Let's gossip leading to Endo's random infidelity again for half an hour". The one time that gossip stuff was funny was the Edo one with Riki Takeuchi as the daimyo.
>>736280016Tanaka always overreacts. To everything.Its like his main shtick.
>>736280016Watching Endo get socially lynched is still kind of funny, I feel like it just became part of his brand at some point.
>>736280092Yeah, but during those "scary" segments he ramps it up to 11 that even Hamada gets super annoyed.
>mfw meatbun made with crystalized sweat salt of an old man.>Video reading letters from loved ones and Tanaka's heartfelt letter ends with THAI KICKUThese people are lunatics.
watching the early seasons, i like abe he's coolis he still around?
>>736275870Watching season 18 right now.
>>736280016>>736280117Endo is the odd one out. Like why is he even there? He has 0 personality traits.>>736280148Yes, and he just gets cooler.
Used to watch gccx a lot back in 2011-2012 on a site called Synchtube. The most comfiest memory I have is watching him play a horror visual novel one night during winter.
I was so happy this episode was subbed, they better do Messe soon.
>>736278651After watching the episode, I knew I would see this here.
>>736280251There's at least 2 active GCCX streams, and it's comfy as fuck watching it other people.
>>736280490The really funny part is The 'I hate trump' text is from the original show and not a sub, they translated that line into English specifically.
>>736275870Only the first season was good, when they used to bring on game developers and interview them. Season two onwards was just Arino being bad at videogames, the worst segment.
the segments where they visit old arcades are really good
>>736280615The interviews were painfully paint by numbers and dull, they made the right call making Arino's challenge the main focus.
>>736279157>>736279383Plus the collab only happened because Arino mentioned her on the show saying he watched her with his kids.
>>736280695>They made the right call making the show into Gameu GrumpuShut up nigga no one wants to watch a guy rage at videogames they want to hear the creator of Densha de Go
>>736280829Except you're blatantly wrong
>>736280903Am I? Bro's clinging onto VTubers now
>>736280943Keep seething, the interviews sucked except for the Iwata one.
>>736280615There are still some dedicated GCCX episode on later season with game dev interviews including Yuji Horii and Iwata, but Arino's challenges is what tv viewers mostly looking for back then.
>>736280943The shows been going on for 20 years. Yes, you are wrong.
>>736280943Guy's a massive otaku in general, and his kid specifically is a big Salome fan hence the collab videos with her which is more cute than anything. This is the most pointless hill to die on for a show you clearly don't enjoy watching, anon.
>>736278091Nyaaa
>>736278793>CopyrightWhy should I care ? More like copywrong lmao
>>736280943you'll get it when you grow older anon
>>736276042you never had friends?
>>736280894damn, rei is such a cutie
>>736275870I'm at season 12 right now. Does he still do arcade trips in current year?
>>736280943Vtubers are just idols. You wouldn't bat an eye if he does it with an idol.
>>736282175Yes.Though during the covid period they did not and just had old arcade visit reruns.
>>736276042They laugh nervously because they're so terrified. The kohai/senpai dynamic in japanese workplaces is so retarded. The senpai can abuse the shit out of anyone below him and they have to just cop it.Arino treats everyone on that show like complete and utter garbage except for one person, the producer (same guy who does the voice over). He's an awful comedian - comedians that just put people down are terrible, and that's all that Arino does.I still watch the show though, coz it's interesting watching someone persevere with such terrible games for so long. He really goes through hell.>>736277160I love Itao.>>736278419Please tell me you're an ESL.....Do you seriously not know what a stillbirth is?>>736280659Don't google any of them like i did every time he went to one.... they're all permanently closed and it's really fucking depressing.
Does anyone know the episode in which Arino goes to an onsen in the mountains? IIRC there was a pachinko or equally shitty arcade game at the resort
>>736282330I think that's SMB2.
>>736282209That's nice. Apparently Inoko MAX becomes an actual director on the show later on which is wild to me since he was such a charisma void. So far my favorite is Urakawa.
>>736282417Urakawa is the only AD who was cool. I don't mean that in a way where I dislike the other ADs, it's just they're all nerds.
>>736279314Maybe I should rewatch Log Horizon
>>736275870Nigga, even the audience in Japan for those are 40+ year olds
>>736282702No it isn't.Wednesday Downtown is one of the most popular programs in the country with all ages.
>>736275870I haven't watched this in years because the uploads are spotty.>oh nice there is an episode on this hard game>download 404fantastic..
>>736279157>single-handedly creates Let's Plays and parasocial relationships through gamingThose sluts kneel to him
>>736282861https://archive.org/download/game-center-cx-english-subbed-episodes-collection-gamecenter-cx-2021-02/Seasons/
>>736275870did /v/ peak in 2013? Do newfags even send out birthday cards on this board anymore?
favourite GCCX episode?i've admittedly only seen a few and was late to the party, need to get around to watching morei liked the house of the dead one
>>736283092isn't this what caused him to copyright strike the subbed uploads
>>736283092I think Iwata was the last card this board ever did
Hair slicked back Arino is soulless.
>>736283164this
>>736275870I miss those threads.
>>736276996>hamada was the good guy all alongapologize
The magic is lost when I learnt that all shows in japan is scripted and fake.
>>736283215And? Its the same in America.
>>736283215how do you fake playing a game retard, the script in gccx is mostly just the narrator
>>736283215You're gonna have a heart attack when you realize how shows in every other part of the world are made
>>736278419it's a medical term for when a fetus dies during pregnancy
>>736283121Mighty Bomb Jack is hands down the most kino episode, that shit had it all. Super Mario World I like as well but it hurts to watch him fail so hard at such a baby game. Many of the trivia game episodes I like as well
>>736283306Japanese shows are extremely fake, much more than in other countries
>>736283123yeah, hes a slimy dude
>>736283121Actraiser where he was too caught up in building his town that he forgot to finish the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTjrJhxG-w
>>736283215>play game>bunch of interesting moments>some not so much>some funny jokes here and there>editor trims it down for you to watchwow, so fake, so gay
>>736283341Why, because they can actually act?
>>736283401there's even an episode where they show the process
>>736283258Guess what?He didn't even play the game.Some poor intern played the game and he just take over from time to time, read the script, pretend to be playing.You're not that naive, are you?
>>736283215If you've seen one episode of Gaki no tsuki you've seen them all, exact same set ups to a gag that leads to overreactions when they get "punishments"I think the worst one was some gameshow with some lubed up pyramid they needed to race to the top but every single one of the comedian contestants made sure to fall over just near the top
>>736283443he did multiple live shows, even one where he played the game for 24 hours. did you even watch the show?
>>736283427japas knowing how to act? are you serious?
>>736275870to hell with the sun
>>736283473Omg, you're really that naive.Speaking of which, I have a bridge to sell you.
>>736283427they cannot act
>>736283393I wonder what see saw and heard with the actors who were filming RE1 OG. It had to be cut out when he was talking about it on GCX since it was raunchy?
>>736283495Oh, so it feels fake because you can't tell that everyone else is acting and it's all fake
>>736283439I like it when Arino taunts the editors when he's grinding something
>>736283539>Sleep spell worked
>>736283539i like the one where he finishes the game in 2 hours and calls the director to ask if that's okay
>>736275870i don't watch ecelebs
>>736283608>eceleb
>>736275870yeah it's the guy who collabed with soccer guy
>unfunny eceleb:>unfunny eceleb, japan:
It's okay anon. Japs TV is owakon so everyone will move to net, BS, or Downtown plus. Macchan will win in the end. In fact Macchan said that BPO can't do anything to his channel so he can show penis if he want to.
>>736283539Average 2ch user 100%.
>>736283393How does he feel about Sherry winning the Leonbowl?
>>736281561>>736279314of course you idiot have no problem doing theft read thisyoutube reactions:They make excuses for watching pirated copies when they could get the legit versionsWhat really gets to me is foreigners' insane sense of entitlement. They're just way too loud. That's why we can't let any more of them into Japan. It's getting completely out of hand.Typical of those guys who riot and loot every time something happens. It's clear they don't even recognize their actions as crimes.They talk about respect for fans, but those watching pirated copies aren't “fans.”Recognize yourselves as harmful stalkers.That's pure invader mentality. No wonder coexistence is impossibleIf that's the argument, then Disney and Netflix should eliminate monopolies tooThey're always blaming others, that is why they can't invent or make anything worthwhileThey're foolsThey're erasing works that might have been created someday from this world foreverLike a barbarian who eats the seeds before the fruit ripensIt seems foreigers will still need thousands of years to reach our moral standardsIt's truly unfortunate that the system meant to prove copyright infringement has been abusedWhat the hell? So Americans' view on copyright isn't any different from the Chinese and Koreans after allI simply can't understand why they'd brag about itThen when they become victims themselves, they complainIt's not that Japan is strict—it's that overseas countries lack morals, right?It's infuriating how many scumbags make pathetic excuses for stealing when it's clearly wrong. Before spouting outdated nonsense, they should go relearn some basic morals.In South America and Southeast Asia, pirated versions of anime are still the norm. And on Reddit and 4chan, these idiots brazenly brag about it. What's worse, these jerks watch stolen content yet still have the nerve to critique it. They're seriously the scum of the scum.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZga0AwRrYU
>>736283973tl;dr
>>736283973I may be a massive weeb, Japan dickrider till I die, but I'm not going to feel bad about stealing from crunchyroll. They don't give money to the original creators anyway.I will gladly purchase JP imports. I have quite a few. But I'm not going to let a country I don't live in dictate my morality about enjoying (or not) a work of art that I couldn't legally purchase anyway. Or if I could, wouldn't give any money to its original creator. Especially if that content is censored or poorly localized as it often is.and whats funny is with the recent X - America/Japan algo merge many Japanese have begun to understand why piracy is more common in the west anyway.Regardless, this is irrelevant to the average JP otaku. If I lived in Japan, I'd have no need to pirate any of this stuff anyway. *Most* of those comments are very based, but lack the knowledge of how "official" releases are done in the west.They are way to lax about lost media though.>>736284004Seems like the tl;dr is - if you pirated it, you have no right to complain about it if you don't like it. Also don't ever pirate it.
>>736283973This shit reminds me of Tatsuro Yamashita, he loves copyright strikes videos on youtube but fucker refuse to sell his album outside JP even though he knows there's market for his songs.
>>736283973piracy is internet and PC culture, lurk moar
are downtown ever gonna do another batsu
>>736283973Don't worry even us weebs are very well aware how much of corp cattle japanese are
>>736285023Short answer: No.
>>736285072
>>736283164Correct, it comes with the territory of anything lasting this long though, it's bound to end up a husk built off of nostalgia and certain characters.
>>736283720i dont think you know what that word means
>>736285067It makes sense for JP otaku. They don't consume western media really.They don't have to worry about translators butchering the work. They don't have to worry about buying something and wondering if even a time will get to the original studio or artists.Most westerners would buy stuff if the western side wasn't all a fucking scam.
>>736285304>It makes sense for JP otakuit doesn't, they pirate as much as anyone elsenyaa is mostly a JP site, sad panda is JP, even fucking 9anime has a huge JP audience
>>736275870the show is pretty charming but not really interesting enough for me to focus on the subtitles, by that point I may as well spend my time watching an anime and get more out of it. Probably much more enjoyable if you can understand japanese by ear
>>736285469>it doesn't, they pirate as much as anyone elseI'm sure many do, but if I were to put up piracy of JP otaku to even just white american otaku specifically, I'd guess that we as americans would do it more just because of the circumstances.Even if it was an equal amount on both sides proportionally, I'd still guess that JP otaku would still spend more money on official releases and merchandise again because of the circumstances of their releases being much more convenient and easy to obtain for them, as well as not having to deal with western bullshittery.So even assuming you are 100% correct, I can still somewhat understand their comments.Japan is a nice place because of seemingly nonsensical rule following sometimes.
>>736285697you are insanely detached from reality
>>736285725How soSeems pretty logical to me.>Medias place of origin: Japan>People with easiest access to purchase media in an untampered state: The Japanese>People most likely to purchase: One can easily assume to be the Japanese.What about that seems detached?
>>736278709
>>736279130yeah japan twitter also has a problem with jeets and SEAs shitting it up.
>>736275870Yeah I've watched a few episodes of Game Center.
>>736275870the last few threads I've seen for either show got deleted.
>>736284882Is that why Yakuza 6 doesn't have any of his songs in the west? Just because he's petty?
>>736286435this one will get deleted too when the mods wake up, the current mod team hate 4chan and /v/ culture
>>736276042It's very dry humor, it's like British humor even drier
>>736279650KEK I suddenly remember that
>>736284595>whats funny is with the recent X - America/Japan algo mergeI only check Twitter when I'm about to go to bed or wake up for like 30 minutes to an hour and it's honestly pretty great to see there being some sort of common ground from the translation tools being so good now. Many of them are also starting to understand westerner's general hatred for certain aspects influencing gaming now too since they were so insulated from it.>>736286435>>736286694GCCX used to get daily threads for years here that they're sort of barely tolerated anymore because of the whole "general" clause. Plus the threads are on /vr/ now if I remember right.
