Why did RE developers insist that "Leon can't be scared of anything, his gameplay can't be scary, so we must make it cheesy action slop", and instead we must introduce some incompetent stuttering retard, who is afraid of her own shadow? This never made sense to me. Your goal is to scare the player. Why does the character in game needs to be a whimpering bitch? Scare comes from atmosphere, sound design, clever jump scares, the feel of survival, resource management, scary creature designs. Look at Dead Space, for example. It's scarier than any Resident Evil game. Or even RE2 Remake or the hospital section of RE3 Remake. RE9 wasn't scary at all, and playing as Grace was just annoying.
>>736288640meanwhile they already made an RE game where 100% of the scare factor was expressed through the scares and atmsophere themselves with a protagonist character that let the player project themselves into the game fully and you probably complained about Ethan for that exact reason.
I love Grace
>>736288821I didn't complain about Ethan, he wasn't as annoying as gr*ce. She is just so forced, everything about her is forced. But also, you don't have to make the game first person for it to be scary. Again, Dead Space is scarier than anything Resident Evil has ever done. Even RE2 Remake is pretty scary in the beginning.
>>736288821Both Ethan and Grace are shitty empty husks of charactersThe boring stealth gameplay in modern RE needs to die and never come back
>>736288995there is no Grace thread in the catalog though
>>736289149>Grace>empty husks of charactersObjectively false>>736289419>he doesn't know
>>736288640>tldr I NEED MY HECKIN MUTE PROTAG TO SELF INSERT AS
>>736288640If the character you play as is scared you will be more scared too.Seriously, did a thread really have to die for this?
yo this bozo thinks Dead Space is scary lmao
>>736289446>>he doesn't knowwhat does this mean what did you mean by this
Grace has the most personality out of any RE character, other than Leon
>>736289446Stuttering and whimpering don't qualify as a personality
>>736289981These are RE gamey you are talking about not GRRM's novellas.what personality does Jill have in RE1?
>>736289981Stuttering and whimpering are only two traits of Grace’s personality. Convenient how you leave out that she’s brave and corageous, I know what you are. You would never be able to go through the hell Grace did and come out alive. She’s a hardworking girl with entertaining quirks. She’s motherly, despite not having bear any child yet. She’s caring and kind. She’s feminine and meek (but not too meek). Don’t ever call my Grace an empty husk of a character, you liar. May your pants go on fire. She actually goes through character development, something you would pick up on if you had any media literacy!
>>736290643By the grace of God, Grace is God, Amen.
Gracey wacey
Isn't forced to me. Every detail of Grace feels natural and not exaggerated. She's not sexualized for the heck of it. The Film Noir outfit is kino. Love her.
graaaaaace
>>736288640Because he's a veteran agent who's starred in shounen type shit. It's not just about self inserting, it's hard as a dev to justify depowering Leon to the point that an average combat encounter is threat enough to intimidate the player. You could bullshit your way with some amnesia-inducing, muscle weakening virus, but at that point why not just make a new character?>Look at Dead Space, for exampleYes, look at Dead Space, the game where you play as a literal who engineer who has no military background whatsoever so you have to shoot zombie aliens with the sci-fi equivalent of a nail gun.
Grace?
I love her
>>736291818This
>>736288640Leon has been living this life for nearly 30 years and was an action hero who doesn't afraid of anything since at least the age of 27, if he showed even the slightest or fear it would be massively inappropriate. Should Batman be scared of criminals?
>>736288640Leon isn't scared of these retards though why would he be?
>>736289574>He still doesn't know
>>736294863That is a lot of words for, he has seen some shit
>>736294863Not OP but it shouldn't matter. Solid Snake handled it perfectly: he told Meryl he still gets stressed each time. It's more realistic.
>>736306528And Leon is still haunted by Raccoon City, you're missing the point. Horror is defined by player-perceived threat. Leon not only comes with the meta knowledge that Capcom would never kill off him off (or even leave him with any lasting damage), the man is a killing machine even if he runs out of ammo.Look at his playstyle in RE4 or 6, and then if you still think you can make current Leon the protag of a classic style RE horror game, describe it. Replace Grace in the care center with Leon wholesale in a way that would still scare you personally.
>>736288640>Why did RE developers insist that "Leon can't be scared of anything, his gameplay can't be scarybecause they did that already>so we must make it cheesycorrect, have you played RE before?>instead we must introduce some incompetent stuttering retard, who is afraid of her own shadowyes the alternative was to play a helpless little girl, which has damn near zero gameplay and again, just play RE2 if you want less buttons to press>Your goal is to scare the playerpicrel, goal is accessibility and RE always had scary elements, but an emphasis on gameplay>Why does the character in game needs to be a whimpering bitchyou asked this already with grace, she's helpless in theory>Scare comes from atmosphere, sound design,clever jump scares, the feel of survival, resource management, scary creature designssorry i wasnt aware the care center lacked this>RE9 wasn't scary at allagain picrel about the RE team's goalsif you want what you want, those games have already been madeCAPCOM notoriously sucks at repeating itself in spite of how much its audience wants [more of same thing]
>>736288640Leon has been flanderized to hell and back thanks to the small-but-vocal social media crowd/developer feedback loop. Same thing happened with Le Epic Doomslayer.
>>736308509He was already a caricature in RE4 was he not
>>736308509not only that but demake haters are retarded>the same people who cant stand cheese>will be upset that remake leon isnt as quippy or cringe in his jokes>are the same people chronically upset jill shows emotion in RE3R because she should be a stoic personality void and that is a compelling character
>>736307816>Replace Grace in the care center with Leon wholesale in a way that would still scare you personally.You could make care center actually fucking scary and resources actually scarce? Remove fucking blood injector. Make monsters scary. Make it more atmospheric. Make clever jump scares. Leon doesn't have to whimper and cry and stutter like a bitch to make me scared. He can be silent and stoic, and I'd still be scared of the actual game.
>>736288640They need to start having more new characters ready, once the old guard gets too old. If Grace returns in a new game, she'll be more experienced after everything she's been through.
>>736308596Sure, and I really didn't care much for it there either, but it's only intensified as they have to continually one-up themselves. I personally feel like action in RE should never get more intense than what it was in Village, and even that was kind of pushing it by the end, but I'll be damned if they aren't constantly trying to shove high-speed chases and shit into it. I felt like one of the notches on the "Good" side of the RE4 remake was that it dialed back a lot of what I would describe as the "anime faggotry" that plagued the franchise really between the first Anderson movie in '02, which bled into the games, and then both kind of had their last hurrah in 2015 with Revelations 2 and The Final Chapter.
>>736308868Okay but you're just repeatedly saying "make it scary" without elaborating on how you would achieve any of it, which illustrates the problem.>resources actually scarceSo what do you do with Leon being able a powerhouse even without the ammo? Do you just neuter his kit, remove parry? At what point does it stop being Leon?>Remove fucking blood injectorAre Leon's sections in RE9 scarier because he doesn't have access to the homo injector?>Make monsters scary.How? Visually? More HP? What do you mean?>Make it more atmospheric. How? Fewer zingers? More music? Less music?>Make clever jump scares.How? Jump scares are generally seen as being low brow. What's a clever jumpscare?>Leon doesn't have to whimper and cry and stutter like a bitch to make me scared.Again, it's not about the protag projecting the scared reactions to the player, it's about an in-universe powerful character relaxing players because they know they have the kit to deal with any incoming threat.
