>>736293914
I hate how needlessly wordy Owlcat's dialogue can be, even by CRPG standards.

>>736293914
>like
The cuckoldry
>hate
The non-cuckoldry

>>736293914
the garbage tier mini-games
fuck kingdom managment and fuck crusades

>>736293914
It's the exact same thing which is the writing.
Owlcat's writing is very amateurish which actually lends itself well to the Pathfinder games because it manages to recreate the feeling of playing a real D&D campaign with your friends where the DM has some great sessions but also pet DMPCs, obvious nerd shit like Arueshalae and the tone flipping like a switch

>>736294226
the pseuds love it though. More words = deeper writing for those retards.

>Annoying, unthematic and purposeless RPG tropes like looting literally everything
>Constant and long loading screens, especially annoying in kingdom management/crusade mode
>Games becoming facerollable with one tactic before long even on Unfair (while in Pathfinder Unfair early game requires extremely specific powergaming setups)
>Systems (Pathfinder especially) generally lacking even the potential for meaningful tactical depth, while the crunch and inadequacy of simulation hinders rather than supports emergent storytelling and RP
>Extreme reliance on prebuffing in Pathfinder, extreme reliance on turn economy in Rogue Trader
>Besides these shortcomings in the fundamental systems, Pathfinder in particular is also poorly implemented in many ways, like wordswordswords descriptions on abilities detailing fluff that isn't relevant in the game, or broken stacking rules
>and so on

Yet, somehow they manage to be the most decent games in their genre. Systems-wise Pathfinder 1e at least has crunch going for it (which cannot be said about e.g. AD&D which is bad in all the same ways but isn't as fun to powergame), WotR in particular is extremely replayable, they generally play smoothly both in TB and RTwP, have decent UIs, above-average writing (in terms of "how well it serves the game", not necessarily in terms of e.g. the quality of the prose or keeping you at the edge of the seat for story developments), good atmosphere, etc, etc.

>>736294989
>obvious nerd shit like Arueshalae
Insane how it's been 26 years since the Aerie archetype came out and it still makes people mad

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>>736293914
>like
Epic CRPG gaymeplay
>dislike
Writing is kinda shit
Nothing they make will ever narratively beat picrel kino

>>736293914
>What are the things you like
I like when Camellia is present.
>and hate
I hate when Camellia is not present.

>>736293914
there is nothing to like about them

>>736293914
>like
The kits
>hate
Everything else. The games are all mean-spirited Leftist showcases of the devs' degenterste fetishes and they're all disgusting.

>>736295235
As a NTR enjoyer, I agree with this.

>>736293914
Reddit written characters and dialogs. Lack of actual serious prose and narration like in Planescape torment or Disco Elysium that treat its setting seriously

>>736295382
But Pathfinder isn't a serious setting

>>736295382
>reddit characters
Kingmaker characters were all incredibly grounded, with Tristan being the only oddball

>>736295114
Aerie is far better written than Arue who is supposed to be a 500 year old demon spy

>>736295474
>being grounded means you're not reddit
>fucking implying that Tristian is the only characterl like that anyway
If Tristian is an oddball, what does that make the chosen one of Urgathoa/Pharasma? The twins that made a deal with Nethys' herald? The dwarf that has special snowflake powers courtesy of Torag?

I've only played BG3 of their games

I liked the story stuff.
I thought the combat was boring, but I guess that's just how DND is. Not very tactical.

>>736295450
Neither is Planescape

>>736295503
>who is supposed to be a 500 year old demon spy
Irrelevant and age for a demon is relative, this is addressed in-game. It just bothers you because she's cute and not a confrontational cunt, I know how you work

>>736295978
>this is addressed in-game
No it really isn't

>>736295978
Regill has more writing dedicated to staring at you like a piece of meat than Arueshalae who is supposed to be constantly fighting temptation does

>>736296053
It is, in banter with Sosiel. And I told you before (when you didn't reply) that she's extremely insecure, of course she's going to be bad at something if you convince yourself that you can't do it

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>>736293914
>consistently fumble the last act and a half, because scope creep and poor planning
>the game is effectively unplayable for the first 6 months because of the multitude of bugs
>despite having stellar character writing, they insist on adding characters that are written in a way that no one would like (Jae, Nenio, Sosiel etc)
>a minor issue, but some of the character writing is weird and questionable (Like Yrliet's interactions counting as romance, locking you out of actual romances)
>they have never made a non-exploitable combat system, where they bloat the enemy stats to compensate, pushing the players into the exploitable builds (can be countered by lowering the difficulty but still)
>insistence on adding gimmicky side game modes like crusade management and spaceship combat that take away resources from the main gameplay loop (although they get better and better at this)
Those are the important things that come to mind

>>736296185
>Regill has more writing dedicated to staring at you like a piece of meat
Can you name name some examples? At least five

>chars are hit&miss, you tend to like them or want to airlock them
>levels/maps are somewhat empty and boring
>build autism options that keep loons like me replaying is drying up since WotR
>some writers there seem to enjoying pissing fans off more than sales

>>736293914
>like
extremely deep character building
solid game mechanics
well-written characters (e.g. Pasqal)
>dislike
stat bloat and buffing (Pathfinder only)
poorly-written characters (e.g. Nenio)

>>736296371
The constant text descriptions of Regill staring at you with his calculating yellow eyes?

>>736296329
>unplayable for the first 6 months
Try however long its been since WotR came out until now, shit like hagriven claws are still broken
rogue trader is the only time the combat wasnt complete shit but then they cock up so many other things its still not worth playing, atleast not until they bring out the last dlc
I just want a crpg with my stupid cutesy romance AND good combat

>>736296525
>Regill looks at you coldly because he's one step away from being a robot
>That means he really wants to fuck you and rape you to death

>>736296568
I said he looks at you like a piece of meat, not that he wants to fuck you lol
Arue is supposed to be a vicious predator but you would be forgiven for forgetting this about her character. The game certainly does.

>>736296793
What do you think succubi do to kill their victims...?
>The game certainly does
The game remembers it more than enough times, especially for someone that has gone out of her way to not act like that for several decades. Again, it just bothers you because she's not a cunt

>>736296845
Why would it bother me that she's nice? It bothers me that she's the definition of tell don't show. You are told that she's struggling with her nature, you are never really shown this in the game.

>>736294226
I wonder if it flows better in russian since they have to write in russian first.

>>736297110
>when you first pick demon at the end of act 2
>at Greengates, where she manipulates you knowing full well that she shouldn't be doing that
>when Targona accuses her of being one of the demons that worked with Areelu
>during Areelu's lab when you see your companions' fantasies
>when Zanedra and the evil aasimar piss her off, both times Daeran goads her in
>when she instinctively kneels in front of Nocticula
>when Hepzamirah pisses her off
>when she almost kneels against Baphomet but just barely manages to resist
>when she spergs out at Xorges for being a qlippoth
And those are the ones I can remember, I wouldn't be surprised if there was more. No, she does it enough times, again, it just bothers you because she's normally nice and isn't in 24/7 cunt mode. I'm also going to ignore how her struggle with not wanting to rape someone to death is emphasized in her romance, not her regular questline

Just stop putting cuckshit into games

>>736293914
I hate the gayass companions.

>>736293914
>thanks to one choice you made 40 hours ago one of your companions is going to murder your favorite companion and then fucks off
At least make it a boss fight, you fucks.

>>736297640
>No, she does it enough times
I disagree
You have a strange hyper fixation on thinking my problem with her is she is too nice, something I don't care about
The Hepzamirah and Areelu lab scenes are good since you finally get to see first hand what she's struggling with, the game definitely needed more of that. Instead of it being two good scenes spread out over 100+ hours.

>>736293914
i like the personalization, especially when you first create a character

i hate the writing stupid faggots cannot create a single cute girl to save their miserable lives

>>736298621
>two
I just named ten
And as you were told before, Arueshalae started her redemption decades ago, so there's no reason for her to act like that always when she has obviously learned to restrain herself to an extent. And it only truly becomes a problem for her if you romance her

like the games
hate the fanbase

simple as'

>>736297163
Do they though? Most of these games made for the mass-market are written in English straight up even by non-native English devs.

>dislike
All of their games offer a series of disconnected, tiny linear maps with no content beyond the shallow, one-note combat, and as if that wasn't bad enough, all of their games are also poorly written, bloated, slow paced and extremely dull to look at.
>like
Some of the music is ok I guess.

>>736298956
>I just named ten
I thought most of those examples weren't good at showing her spiritual struggle.
>Arueshalae started her redemption decades ago, so there's no reason for her to act like that always when she has obviously learned to restrain herself to an extent
Probably not a good idea to write a character that has already figured out their problems before the game started then

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>>736299274
>Probably not a good idea to write a character that has already figured out their problems before the game started then

>>736293914
I like their style of writing/storytelling.
I hate their mini games (Except for ship battles in RT, those were fine.)

>>736299274
She hasn't figured out her problems, it just bothers you that it's not the specific problem you want

>>736299329
Regill's coming to terms with dying

>>736293914
i only care about warhamber

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>>736299528
No orders from KC yet, back to the grind

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>create a complex character build system
>the actual combat is just offscreen dicerolls and buffs/debuffs while you watch your party auto attack everything to death
>there arent any fun ways to interact with enemies and the environment

>>736296551
At least you can complete WOTR now. RT and WOTR I couldn't even finish on release without scriptdigging with toybox on release.

>>736299528
Which is only brought up twice, and one of these moments is just implied (his companion quest, where you find a book about warding off the bleaching). Even then he doesn't particularly care about it that much, he just wants to make sure that everything is in order before he croaks. They had the perfect opportunity to show that he was actually truly afraid of it during Areelu's lab but the game preferred to show yet another generic
>wow Regill is so badass
moment.

>>736299828
>offscreen dicerolls
what, just because you don't see a literal dice roll in the middle of your screen doesn't means they aren't happening
>buff/debuff + autoattack
You're right on that but thats on 3.5 and pathfinder not owlcat (but wrath made it worse with mythic powers addin another layer of powergaming).
Combat is usually decided in a couple turns and there is no tweaking around that.

If anything complain about build defining items you won't know about until you beat the game once or underwhelming spell schools like transmutation and conjuration in wrath

>>736293914
Rogue Trader just had too much low impact leveling for me. Felt like i was leveling up every third fight and i burned me out fast

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>>736300069
>leveling up your whole party in pathfinder takes forever. Should we make it more elegant?
>nah, just split skills, feats and attribute bonuses into different levels, add 20 more levels and call it a day

Take a drink every time someone is described as pensive or pensively doing something

>>736293914
I like that they're definitely doing their own thing, sticking to their niche, and not trying to appeal to the mainstream audience.
I hate that they still won't let me impregnate my romance choices.

>>736295610
None of those are standoutish in pathfinder or even fiction in general
Torag is probably the most special snowflake but 99% of the time hes just a regular moody dwarf

>>736300306
>I hate that they still won't let me impregnate my romance choices.
lol

>>736299924
Yeah, probably one of the more interesting Regill moments is if you follow his badass example and tell Sosiel to stop whining and toughen up it leads to his brother dying

>>736298914
The hobbit girl in kingmaker was cute

>>736301076
the one you cannot romance?

obsession with mini games

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>>736293914
>dislike
Games being broken on release and feature incomplete, every patch breaking the game, waiting years for them to release the complete edition with most of the bugs fixed
>like
Everything else

I like them

>>736300619
Well that's exactly what Regill wants so

>>736293914
Like: The gameplay and build variety and the story (most of the time)
Dislike: The romance options holy fuck they're actual cancer dogshit

>>736300306
A Dance of Masks lets you impregnate the /v/'s dreaded succubus. Then RT's void shadows allowed you to impregnate the cultist companion, the days of Owlcat refusing kids are over.

It’s hard to separate them from Pathfinder.

Pathfinder fucking sucks. How much of that is on owlcat?

>>736303867
Try playing RT to find out

>>736299329
He doesn't have the anti-waifu bias