i took the liberty of narrowing down the choice for you
Legacy of Kain series
>>736297748Clair Obscur Expedition 33
>>736297814creative answer>>736297849uncreative answer
Kirby planet robobot
>>736297748I like morrowind but it has no writingevery character is an info board
Planescape's plot feels more like a philosophical journey of self discovery while the story of Morrowind puts emphasis on lore and politics, different flavors of writing. I prefer PST though. Havent played disco Elysium.
Monster Girl Quest
>>736297748Planetescape Torment, obviously.
>>736297748Black souls 2 mogs all of these>>736297849So does this
>>736297748Awful, pretty good, awful. Planescape Torment wins by default.
>>736297849E33 fags have to be the most pretentious fags ever.The story for this game isn't even good. The first 2 acts are a generic save the world plotline, while the final act is a failed allegory for escapism.The escapism is bad message doesn't work because lumiere is basically a real dimension with real thinking people. At best you could argue the game keeps it ambiguous, but clearly it implies that the people of lumiere are real.Not to mention that using the paintings is objectively beneficial due to time dilation. You can use them to effectively extend your life.Either way, lumiere doesn't work as an escapism allegory and has no grounding in reality.The ending is also a bit of an artificial dichotomy created for the sake of melodrama.The gameplay of the game is also highly derivativeAll in all, you fags are retards impressed by shallow aesthetics
In terms of writing Disco Elysium easily takes the win. It's absolutely the most witty and entertaining of the three. Morrowind has the best plot and world building. Planescape has the best call to action and most interesting setup. You could say Disco Elysium's opening is an homage to PST.
>>736298439Op seething at greatness lol
>>736297748Depends on what you mean by "writing".Overall story, or general prose?Because I think my favourite prose might be Sunless Sea / Cultist Simulator / Book of Hours.Disco Elysium has a pretty good style as well.Story-wise, I don't know, don't really care about story that much in video games. Probably Expedition 33 overall.
>>736297748Disco elysium is too busy fellating itself to say anything meaningfulPlanescape impliments the forgotten realm setting into a very compelling journey of self-discovery on top of having very well written companionsMorrowind exists for elder scroll lore nerds to cum all over themselves, despite that very good world buildings awful characters
>"Morrowind combat sucks!"cRPG uses TTRPG system? Wow.
>>736297748april fools was two days ago, anon
>>736297748Out of these 3? DE, easily. Genuinely very well written, enjoyable and can combine humour and gravity very well. It also manages to both touch on profound social and philosophical issues as well as relatable human drama. Planescape has some genuinely great ideas in its story, but outside of crucial scenes most of the writing isn't that good really, just okay. Also, while D&D fags may eat me alive for this, I think in many places it unironically gets strongly dragged down by the Planescape setting which has lots of shitty or tacky worldbuilding and often tries to be weird just for sake of being weird. Morrowind has amazing lore and setting. The main quest concept is cool as well and strongly intertwined with those. But the actual writing (i.e. dialogue and descriptions, if if it had those), as well as quests fucking suck
>>736297849This
>>736297748FNV
Planet Escape Tournament, where not one but two women choose to throw their lives away for you because they love you, even if you haven't spoken to either of them since you recruited them. Where someone tries to convince you you're on a pointless, one way suicide mission and your only response amounts to"look I just have to okay???" instead of having literally any choice in explaining yourself. Where you get a bonus for sucking up to a character but all the suck up choices are just "you, beautiful <name>" so you know which one to push every time. Where people praise it for its devillish evil options but most of them still amount to being a prick for no good reason. Where everyone recommends INT/WIS/CHA Mage because those stats determine how much story content you're getting, so if you play Thief or Warrior you're literally getting less of what the game is about.I like the game fine but people get irrationally attached to defending it because it was baby's first wordy RPG that took itself seriously.
>>736299318>babys first wordy rpgYou're acting like every rpg is as verbose as planescape which they arent on top of that most rpgs that do have ungodly amounts of reading suffer from not knowing when the shut the fuck up or dump exposition on you
>>736299557NTA but I don't think you know what the word verbose means
>>736299610You're right I dont point still standsT. Played many jrpgs growing up
>>736297748>Morrowind>Tranny elysiumlelmao
>>736298439Hey look the tranny faggot that doesn't like E33 is simply a retard again, how many are we at at this point?
>>736298439Morrowind fags have to be the most pretentious fags ever.The story for this game isn't even good. The first 2 acts are a generic save the world and serve the blades plotline, while the final act is a failed allegory for escapism by killing a god.The escapism is bad message doesn't work because gods dream is basically a real dimension with real thinking people. At best you could argue the game keeps it ambiguous, but clearly it implies that the people of gods dream are real.Not to mention that using the dream is objectively beneficial due to lucid dreaming. You can use them to effectively extend your life or become immortal.Either way, gods dream doesn't work as an escapism allegory and has no grounding in reality.The ending is also a bit of an artificial dichotomy created for the sake of melodrama.The gameplay of the game is also very badAll in all, you fags are retards impressed by shallow aesthetics
>>736299557This does not refute anything that Anon said. Lots of words does not automatically make the writing good, regardless how rare and common this approach is and "not knowing when to shut up" applies to many places in Planescape as well.Like, I enjoyed the game and I think there are some genuine strokes of genius within it, but I absolutely agree with the guy you've replied to that a huge part of Planescape's reputation comes from the fact that it came back in a time when wordy games touching on more philosophical topics and exploring them somewhat deeply were fucking rare. But lots of other titles with genuinely great or deep writing came out since then and Planescape really isn't some singular incomparable gem anymore like many claim it to be. I'm pretty sure lots of those people haven't even played the game in at least a decade. It's very far from being flawless, narratively as well
>>736298170>A game with several many different books has no writing
>>736300085What are you talking about?You can't kill a god, dude.
Idk how anyone can tolerate DE's writing.
>>736297748PST or LoK
>>736297748
>>736301184Quit being dramatic anon It's not rocket science
>>736300810but can you kill a painting?
>>736297814FPBP
Some anon mentioned it already but MGQ has the best story ever told in an interactive medium
>>736301278it's a compelling story coupled with a mediocre and inconsistent translation
The popularity of Disco Elysium only shows how many people have not read a single book in their lives. It is the most pretentious and self-absorbed script in gaming. Most of the dialogue is quirk chungus written in flowery language and excruciatingly boring political drivel from a naively Marxist perspective. Midwits love it because it makes them feel smart.
>>736301991Let me guess, you quit the game after finding the racist lorry driver?
>>736301991name a book you've read this year anon
>>736297748 (OP)Morrowind's setting and overall premise are superb but writing and story? Non-existent.>>736297814LoK, as good as it was, was written on the go and left unfinished.Apart from PST I would mention MotB and Vagrant Story.
What can change the nature of man?
>>736302582Cunny.
>>736301991Anyone claiming DE is "Marxist" or "Communist" is a dead give away that they are only spouting memes from their political echo chamber and did not actually play the game, or at least with understanding. DE continuously shits on commies, ridicules them and points out time and time again how communism, despite having some high ideas, did not work in practice at all and mostly led to a shittonne of fanatical bloodshed. The literal final antagonist of the game is a hateful and spiteful commie murderer, completely brainwashed by his ideology.The game makes fun of every single ideology it pictures, but allows you to support any of them nevertheless if you feel like it. That's one of the reocurring themes of the game: Revachol is a zombie state, failed by every single ideology or system, but life must somehow still go on within it, even if there's no ideal flawless solution and every ideology will become inevitably corrupted by human nature
>>736301991Quest writing in normal CRPG>need to investigate murder>go to his house and question him>hmm both the VA and writing make this guy seem suspicious>question neighbors/friends>get hints about how he operates>path 1: break into his house when he is gone to find evidence>path 2: get enough evidence for a formal arrest>path 3: be retarded, get caught by murderer, fight him off and use direct evidence to arrest himDisco Elysium writing>need to investigate murder>go to his house and question him>hmmm this guy's VA and the text makes him sound sus->guy with voice changer: THIS MAN IS CLEARLY SUSPICIOUS>other guy with voice changer: This man is clearly a homosexual negro engaged in debauched homosexual gay sex (can't use nono words but wants to be edgy)>anon lols out loud (this is just like his ytps)>4 dialogue options, 3 lead nowhere, 1 just straight up accuses him of being a murderer>rng diceroll: SUCCESS>murderer lets you in his house for some reason>if you fail you get a quest to pick up 10 pieces of trash for +5 electrochemistry which auto succeeds the check to let you into his house>find evidence of his murder>murderer breaks down in tears as he is gay but also a turbo facist banging gay black men>several dialogue rabbitholes that do nothing in game except pontificate on how this repressed homosexual man's love of BBC mirrors facist ideology>anon claps irl, makes a post on 4chan's /v/ - videogames board about how DE is the best written game of all time
>>736297748Only have ever played Disco Elysium.
>>736302072Either/Or A Fragment of Life
>>736302697Why did you write all that just to be wrong?
>>736302647>DE continuously shits on commies, ridicules themteehee, I'm so silly and wacky but at least I'm virtuous and a good person.oh you chose the other option? well it might sound great but that's only because ur dumb. now take this shitty buff.
>>736297748Disco Elysium has shitty writing, unless you're talking about the guy's sentence structure and vocabulary. His world and characters are cartoonish and amateur.
>>736303110You gonna provide an example of when that happens in game?
>>736303137>His world and characters are cartoonish and amateur.>He says when morrowind and planescape are right there
>>736302647Just because it is mildly self-critical Marxism doesn't mean it isn't Marxist. You view the world from the lens of the Marxist writers who make no attempt to disguise their biases in any way. You'd have to be retarded not to infer this just by reading through the game. And the game is not even bad because it's political or Marxist, the writing is just incredibly immature and gets stale quickly as the same cringeworthy gags are repeated time and time again. I couldn't care less about playing a commie game if it was written competently, but Disco Elysium can't manage anything more than walls of text that say nothing intertwined with "I'M A RETARD AND SAD AND DRUNK!".
>>736302647>Anyone claiming DE is "Marxist" or "Communist" is a dead give away that they are only spouting memes from their political echo chamberThis is true only because of how bizarre the portrayal of communism in the game is, like a bunch of cultists tied up in a self-aware eschatological project that must inevitably fail, but the game actually portrays that as a good thing. The political aspect of DE is the worst thing about it.
PST for "damn, this is great!" writing moments, Morrowind for a fun world that is really sustainable and contained. Disco Elysium is pic unrelated, honestly. There are some interesting things like that dead radio tabletop game, the Pale when you actually see it as nostalgia cornering the world instead of the devs going "umm actually idk who that Mark Fisher guy is :)" and making up shit like "it's actually about you forgetting the world after you close the book", and also something else i forgot, but it has a solid dosage of Twitter poisoning and things that make Tumblr just treat it as a gay buddy cop drama which i can't really even go against.My candidates are Arcanum due to how everything in the game makes a great amount of sense and has good depth for an open-world sandboxy RPG, as well as Case of the Golden Idol (+ the DLCs) as it'd be a great story in any medium but manages to excel as a puzzle game as the story twists and plotlines come to you directly through the puzzle solutions, which is a great feat.
>>736303143when you talk to "not gardener" and she reveals herself to be a super smart lawyer that hangs around outside hotels.there's literally a dialogue option to agree with her that says you're a silly person but at least you know right from wrong.
>>736303438>but it has a solid dosage of Twitter poisoning and things that make Tumblr just treat it as a gay buddy cop drama which i can't really even go against.Measurehead, the first main obstacle and one of the more memorable characters from DE is literally based on a Danish troll twitter account.
>>736303481You're black.
>>736303481True but then again Elizabeth is under the payroll of Evart who is shown to be feeding the union bullshit to further his own goalsShe herself just leaves when things get to intense in the interrogation
>>736303563no one asked about your fetishes.
>>736297748You forgot the best written game of all time
>>736303640the game still paints you as a retard for calling her out, which is fucking hilarious.
>>736297748Best writing? Neither of those but Antichamber winsShort and concise just like my penis.
>>736303527It's a tragedy because if we're talking about the same guy, he really was the best to ever do it. Racism peaked there and people have been trying to chase that high ever since.
Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer
>>736303317Anyone who says DE is a funny game legitimately has downs. The autofellatio the game does with its writing makes every joke fall flat because it winds up the joke for way too long so you easily guess the punchline. Also despite being a well written game it never tries to subvert the reader's expectations on where a joke will go somewhere you aren't expecting. I kept sitting there waiting for the jokes to rugpull me by going somewhere I wasn't expecting all the way until the game ended.The autofellatio shit ruins a lot more and I've always held the opinion that the game seriously needed an editor to tardwrangle all the writers going on and on about nothing.
>>736303916spec ops the line calls you a retard for shooting fictional people
>>736303921the game where you solve half the puzzles by walking back the way you came?
>>736304112Sounds like you just don't get the jokes and are mad that you still don't
>>736304119and? it also sucked.
>>736303916Do be fair, Harry isn't what one would call a respectable sourceActually to get the bad end of the game is to do the investigation with no partner which means no one to back up what he saw and did
>>736304150yeah that's the one
>>736297748Honestly?As much as it caught me by surprise, Nier Replicant.I fucking hate jap shit, I hate pretentious games and I hate everything else made by Taro but Nier is great.Very likable cast with weird quirks, actually emotional story and incredible character interactions.If we measure the quality of writing by how memorable and entertaining it was this is up there.
>>736301991not him but I didn't even get out of the hotel because I was awestruck at how I've just wasted 10 bucks
>>736304246A joke needs to be witty, snappy, quick to the point and preferably have a twist to it. Disco Elysium doesn't do this because the writing is too busy sucking itself off to be snappy and quick, and despite the claims of the writing being good it lacks any subversion of expectation to catch the reader off guard.The humor in Disco Elysium typically follows like this:>joke winds up>keeps winding up>still winding up>*okay all this windup means I'm overthinking the joke and it will go somewhere else to catch me off guard*>punchline hits>the punchline is exactly what you were expecting during the windup
>>736304565Yeah still sounds like you don't get the jokes and more shows how you don't get humor in general if you think it all has to abide by your own narrow mindset of what's funny By your logic, you hate any meme or joke on this site
>>736302697>Retard-thinks-the-mystery-to-solve-is-the-murder-and-not-who-Harry-is the post
>>736300085anon really thought he was cooking with this one
>>736304515>He paid for itLolLmao
>>736303930All while being around 20 hours long and really not even containing that much dialog.Such a good fucking game.
>>736304515The intro with the painfully forced and drawn out metaphor about earth is kind of an indicator of the overall quality of the game's writing.also>paying for it
>>736304929Are you talking about the Ancient Reptilian Brain sections?Yeah those are drawn out but not bad. More it goes into Harry's own inner thoughts and his view points on the world while coming down from his bender
>>736297849Haha, good one anon, but April 1st was 2 days ago.
*ahem* forgetting someone?
>>736304929I genuinely cannot fathom how one could enjoy this kind of writing. It is so horrendously forced and embarrassing.
>>736305636Quit being over dramatic acting like planescape doesn't have the same shit
>>736305636Its a game for people who don't read books but want to feel like they read books.
>>736304515>He got filtered by Garte of all peopleKek
>>736305720Why are you saying that like anyone who played morrowind or planscape has read a book outside of the in game ones?
>>>736302840>No reply
>/v/ discusses good writing
>>736305823Morrowind and Planescape are actual games and not glorified VNs like DE
>>736305874If you play 1 CRPG a year you probably read more per year than 99% of the population.
>>736305874This is why I don't like talking about these games on this site because it's always the same>Anon makes claim that the writing sucks>Other anons argue against this>Anon says replies don't know anything about literature or good writtingRinse and repeat
>>736305945I'd say DE is more of a point and click similar to those in the 90's Are you about to say monkey island is a vn?
>>736302647You are a midwit. There's a difference between communism and marxism (there's also bolshevism and more flavors of marxism itself). Marxists often criticize communist projects, and are also historically #1 victim of communist statists like Stalin.DE is definitely written by a marxist author, the undertones are nearly as obvious as the omnipresent0 redditard quirk. >>736297748Anyone who claims DE has better writing than PT or even Morrowind, should have their voting rights taken away.
>>736304964>>736305332Based, but having replayed it recently, not really. I love this game dearly, it has some of the most unique ideas and strongest atmospheres I've encountered in fiction and genuinely changed the way I perceive vidya as a medium, but the writing is just too inconsistent and in some places too verbose for its own good, making it a bit hard to treat the story and characters seriously in some places. Still amazing though.I think some sort of middle ground between P1 and P2 writing would be peak>>736305874Yup, and everyone is certain the meme applies to people they disagree with. But what can you do>>736305949Probably more like 80-90% depending on the country, but still that's just fucking depressing to think about. Especially since vast majority of this remaining 10-20% probably reads utter crap anyway
>>736304964>>736305332finally some real niggas in a thread of weebs and troglodytes
>>736306128>should have their voting rights taken away.>He votes in the rigged systemLol
>>736297748DiscoThe bar is quite low for vidya tho
Deus ex
>>736306169There's no weebs here
>>736305949>reading a high number of low quality text is impressiveyeah man the 99% of people who browse twitter reading utter garbage all day every day are definitely bibliophiles of the highest order
>>736305967>make a /lit/ thread on /v/>it's actually better>make a pretentious game thread>it sucksWAOOOWW
>>736297748Torment>DE>Morrowind
>>736306162>but still that's just fucking depressing to think about.That's the thing anon, that number has been the same even back in when libraries were open in citiesJust because people have books doesn't mean they actually read themSome just get a bookshelf to fill out a room
>>736306254Oh fuck off with thatIn the 8 years I've been here it's always been the same shite
>>736306162>I think some sort of middle ground between P1 and P2 writing would be peakP2 writing suffered because of how rushed that game was. P1 threw a lot of different ideas at you but couldn't quite develop any of them well enough. It should have been a book. I can see how it could have been good.
>>736306387>It should have been a book.If it was a book you wouldn't be reading it let alone talking about in threads
>>736306253Your reading comprehension skills are not that great.Also I dont see how the writing in Arcanum or BG2 is any worse than most genre fiction.
>>736306387Funny you should say that, since Dybovsky actually wanted it to be a book initially, but decided that the concept would absolutely not work as one
>>736304710rather this retard: >>736298439 thought he had
>>736297748Warcraft 3. The world it created, the lore that it spawned, the genres, industry. It's unrivaled.
When you think about it these games could have been books but if they were no one here would read themKind of the reason Disco was made. They made a book in the world but no one bought it so they made a game to get more engamenet.Resulted in more success made more apparent over the fact we're talking about it
>>736306254>make /lit/ thread on /v/>its shit as everyone tries to 1 up each other in pretentiousness>make a /lit/ thread about old kid's books on /v/>its great and anons are discussing all the books they like >make a videogame writing thread on /v/ >it sucksits shrimple anon: make a thread about /middleschoolcore/ books and you get quality threads.
>>736297748Morrowind doesn't belong here. It has good worldbuilding but so do the others. There is one genuinely good character in the whole game and the dialogue is wooden to the point of being almost funny.
>>736306374despite how shitty this site has gotten, there was a pretty decent thread just a couple of weeks agoalso>In the 8 years I've been here
>>736304694I didn't give a shit about Harry. The guy's a loser from the beginning, I don't care if he also was in love with that woman or that he jerked off in a girls' locker room as a teacher or that he can't remember every in-joke at the precinct anymore. The mystery itself, however, was fun. You get through all the ghosts of the revolution while thinking that you're pursuing some sort of an organization and it turns out that it's the actual ghost of it, dead as a person but still holding to the rifle. I wish ZERO PARADES didn't try for the same "oooh she's such a fucking loser" angle again because the setting is actually sorta interesting even if it's not Disco. It'd be nice to be that autistic can opener Harry was described as for once.
>>736304929>metaphor about earth What the fuck lol? LolIt’s a depiction of how the parts of the brain communicate with one another when your body re-establishes consciousness after being blackout drunk. The “ancient reptilian brain” is just a catch all phrase for the more primitive brain structures and the limbic pathway contains your more evolutionary advanced parts that are responsible for “higher” functioning. It isn’t a metaphor for anything you presumptuous retard lmao.
I'm re-reading Vainqueur the Dragon rn, it's pretty good fantasy comedy all things considered, unusually these litRPGs are omega bad. The dragon actually feels like a proper one.
>>736306587Don't act like you've been here longer than me, I'm at least being honest about the time I've spent here
>>736306534>Disco Elysium literally has a book that predates the game by around a decade>look it up>2/5 stars with pretty negative reviews>Disco Elysium gets a game based on the book>gamers consider it the best written game of all timeSo the conclusion to be drawn here is that the game has bad writing and gamers have shit taste.
>>736306582did you try talking about a series that's older than this site and not a gender bent version of kid's fairy tales?
>>736306761Yeah but if we admitted that then there would be no thread Also the book itself is all over the place because it goes into different perspectives and keeps going to the past and the future
>>736306742ok
>>736306162>the writing is just too inconsistent and in some places too verbose for its own goodi can definitely agree with that to an extent. i havent played it in years, but i am old enough to remember how it used to be with its shitty machine translation in the 2000s. classic HD definitely fixed up a bunch of wonky text. i imagine its a lot better in actual russian and am learning russian right now, hopefully i can play the game again and experience it with some kind of newfound appreciation. but the aesthetic and literary sensibilities in this game are simply too unique and idiosyncratic to not appreciate in a literal ocean of pure derivative blueprinted horseshit that plagues gaming and the arts in general. there is simply nothing like it and i wouldn't want it any other way (except maybe the atrocious plague cloud mechanic)
>>736306742Honestly this nigga is based.99% of the oldfags left.
>>736306582I'm digging a bit into British literature for research and what the fuck were people smoking in England in the 1970s, "children's literature" my ass
>>736306686The primordial lizard brain is stringing together a long metaphor about earth and what its like to live on it. The whole sequence begins with something something ball of dirt something something apes being shitty to each other on it. Its very long, drawn out and too on the nose to be interesting. I just sat there slamming next and picking every option to get it over with ASAP.
Planescape by a long shot (I have not played any of them).
>>736306582>board exclusively filled with weebs, /pol/ack culture warriors and coomers are somehow too retarded for /lit/ threadsnot really surprising to anyone, desu
>>736306803>>736306982>anons immediately jump to prove me right
>>736307001Yeah and that's from Harry's post drunk depressed perspectiveAnyone would have that thought pattern after a hangover
>>736306534Nothing new here really, just like with movie/tv show adaptations of books almost always being way more popular in terms of actual views than the books itself. Most people don't read or barely do and additionally the text only nature of the medium makes it harder for books to reach pop-cultural significance. And those who do read have a fucktonne of stuff to pick from in any given genre, so the chances of any one specific book making it big are even slimmer. >They made a book in the world but no one bought itTo be honest the book was genuinely just not very good and I'm saying it as someone who loved Disco Elysium. Also I think it never got officially translated or published outside of Estonia.
>>736307124>YIIKfagholy fucking kek
>>736297748I always see people mention Planescape when it comes to great RPGs, but I've never seen anyone actually talk about the game. What's so special about it that makes it the best? Or is it just old and revered but never played, like how no one actually reads War and Peace but everyone accepts that it's great
>>736307206Play it and find out.
>>736307206>What's so special about it that makes it the best?For me it's a game that let's you be as good or evil as you wanna be and it ties into the ending of the game
>>736307206>What's so special about it that makes it the best?the gameplay is so shit that the novelization is a better way to experience the game hehe
>>736307290>didn't play the game
>>736307202>anon cant parse if one is engaging in a bit of ironic memery on an imageboard anymoregod, this site truly is lost.
>>736307290>heheSHAMONE
>>736306475I’d say the core idea of Pathologic was executed very well in P2. But there are several concepts in P1 that i would’ve liked to see addressed somehow, which weren't even mentioned in P2.
>>736307206The gameplay is just an average old school D&D CRPG. It's not great not terrible.Like Morrowind it got a lot of credit for being a weird, unique setting when most fantasy is very samey. Unlike Morrowind the dialogue and characters are good too.
>parse >facebook image reposted a dozen times
>>736307001Anon, I don’t even know what to tell you. It’s the brain of a guy who just tried to kill himself after 3 days of drunken raging all over town, the end result of which being that he got amnesia. The game’s opening is LITERALLY depicting the process of him “waking up” after all that. It’s actually pretty funny if you’ve ever drank enough to have a really, really bad hangover, because it actually feels like this same process is going on when you’re forced awake despite being miserable and in pain. All your posts have communicated to me is that you are an idiot. I’ve never seen a single person on /v/ criticize the game’s writing without ousting themselves as an actual idiot.
>>736307310I did and everyone agrees the gameplay is the worst part of it.BG plays way better and it came out before it.Icewind Dale came out not too long after and it SHITS on Planescapes gameplay.Its okay to admit what everyone already did when the game came out, it certainly did not get better over the course of 2 decades.
>>736307206A bit of both, honestly The idea for the story and some of the themes are great, but the quality of the main plot is somewhat drowned in all of the wacky plane-hopping high fantasy D&D crap it's attached to. Also the gameplay absolutely sucks and half of information crucial to proper in-depth understanding of all the plotlines is hidden behind stat checks requiring very specific builds to pass
>>736307206It's an interesting exploration of the meaning of memory and the self and what value that concept of self actually imparts on your lived experience
>>736297748Deus Ex
>>736307290That goes for all classic rpgsYou make a build that breaks the game so you can enjoy the story
>>736307863I enjoy BG1 because low level adventuring is fun.Anything that goes into higher levels sucks agreed.
>>736307780>talking with a chinaman in a random bar>more depth than game in the past decade
>>736308043>talking with a chinaman in a random bar>he proceeds to name the jew
>>736307431Yes, I have similar feelings. I love what they did with P2, but there were a few plotlines from 1 I wish they didn't remove. P3 is...fine, but so far I'm really not entirely sold on what they did with it and I think I would have preferred if they just made regular Bachelor and Changeling campaigns for P2, as originally intended. Maybe just with an extra mechanic or two to represent them better, but not the whole entirely different game and gameplay they went with.
>>736307206It has the best writing in the gaming, bar none. And it's not just the story, but also the lore, setting, companions, and everything else where writing plays a role. The atmosphere of the world is also incredible (the visuals and soundtrack, both stellar, help a lot), and it is actually original (only Morrowind is comparable in that department). There's also a strong philosophical over-reach, about self, loyalty and commitment, virtue, regret, dualism, and much more. And not just that, the way it's also interwoven into the setting, main story, and your companion arcs, is just genius. >>736307681>requiring very specific builds to passMax WIS, holy shit that's so complex and specific.
>>736308572>and it is actually originalbased on a DND setting thoughbeit
>>736306226>>736307780RPG GOAT but trash writing/story
PST remake when (yellow paint included)?
>>736297748Morrowind has exceptional lore, especially the schizo shit. The writing in a storytelling sense is not particularly worth mentioning though.DE is laughably bad on every level.Torment doesn't stand the test of time. I'm sure it was impressive way back then when you expected all videogames to be just bing bing wahoo.
>>736309078I don't think you've played any of these games.
>>736309078>the lore that is outside of the game or barely used or mention besides 3 lines in random ass ingame book, never appearing in rest of the tes games is the best part
I'm just glad nobody mentioned Grim Fandango or any other overrated Schaferslop
>>736307648>If you don't enjoy my drawn out, slooowly spoooken, quirky dialogue about a worthless drunkard being so so sad and worthless and a sack of meat etc etc (joke keeps going for several minutes), you are an IDIOTYeah, no wonder the game appeals to you.
>>736301991Son, what is writing but flowery language? Yes, brevity is the soul of wit but that's in service to getting a point across, not painting the landscape or injecting ideas in the reader's head
>>736309339Well because I like that game and don't want it intermingled with people who have never played it
>>736309205Morrowind is unironically my favourite gameI certainly wish I hadn't played DE, but sadly that's not the case.I played Torment like 15 years ago. I already felt dated back then.>>736309337Of the writing? Yes.Morrowind is extremely atmospheric, but the story doesn't engage me.Granted, one thing I fucking hate in fiction is chosen ones, and the nerevarine is conceptually one of the worst variants of the trope (not unlike the dragonborn, and unlike the doomdriven heroes of the other TES games which are pretty mild if you don't buy into the shezzarine theories).
>>736309560You already showed you don't know how humor worksI don't know why you keep going
>>736297748Morrowind is objectively the shittiest of the three, especially in terms of the actual prose.Planescape torment is the "deeper" one, touching upon some more interesting and otherworldly themes, but I do like Disco Elysium's humour and world building a lot. I guess a lot is just up to personal preference. Disco Elysium written like Planescape Torment would simply not work at all, and the same is true the other way around.
>effort posts explaining why DE is bad>low effort replies that amount to "u dumb, read book"The fanboys of DE need a /pol/tard or two in these threads or else they expose themselves as retards
>>736309649I'm not even that anon, retard.
>>736309748More like>Anons who haven't played DE claim it's bad>Anons who played it call them retarded for making shit up>Anons pretend like DE community is deranged for acting like thisYou can by the fact no one has actually brought up specific stuff in game and are just vague posting about it while overlooking the actual stuff that makes it bad
>>736309909You sure type like him Though irony poisoned dipshits like you are very cookie cutter
>>736309998The irony of this post being that anon could probably reply quoting all your posts itt from your own typing style lmao
>>736310062Correct
>>736297814This.
