CAG got devoured by Soulslikes and honesty, it was for the better. Most CAGs are just mash square on training dummies.
>>736333604Please stream yourself beating DMC3 by mashing square.
>>736333537>CAGCommander of Air Group?
>>736333686Exactly. People that call CAG's mashy have never actually played them before.
>>736333686No need.
>>736333812>doesn't play games to the level of asking a chatbot about playing themgrim
ultrakill is the best cag ever made and its not even close
>>736333537>NG4great game>Bayo 1good game that manages to reach greatness at times but the final stretch of the game kinda sucks>DMC5great game>MGSRwill play it one of these days, i swearjust never been a big metal gear fan>LSAthis screams play after a deep discount or when it hits PS+ otherwise don't bother>Scarlet Nexusi think i've only ever heard, like, 3 or 4 people ever mention this game
>>736333537What the fuck is Lost soul Aside?
>>736335983Chinese CAG. Was alright.
>>736333537am i going insane or is ninja gaiden 4 the only crazy game we've only gotten in like 15 years
>>736337338The last even remotely relevant one was hi-fu rush, but it’s barely a complex game.
>>736337338Bayonetta 3.
>>736337338Bayonetta 3Lost Souls AsideHomura Hime (indieslop by 1 chink)Yeah, things are not looking good.
>>736337529How do we fix it?Do we put Miyazaki on the cross for ruining our genre?
>>736337648No fixing it I'm afraid. These games require at least an AA budget to not feel like shit to play and the audience is too small to make the investment worth it. The normalfags are content with mashing the roll/parry button and having access to nothing more than a light, heavy and special attack.
>>736337648Comparing Souls to DMC is like comparing Castlevania to Final Fight.
>>736337801If the “AAA CAG” is truly dead, it’s a sad state for vidya.
>>736333537>Scarlet Nexus
>>736337338Astral Chain?
>>736333537Fromsoft needs to make Otogi 3 to save it. And also show they are not just a one trick pony (AC6 aside).I need to see Raikou one last time.
>>736337338bro, your DMC5?
>>736338038LmaoWhat’s wrong with it?
>>736333537lost soul aside was fucking dogshit lol remove that shit
>>736333604Soulslikes are generally far easier, so I can't say I see where you're coming from. They don't relaly have the same focus or appeal in any case.
Besides pic, what's there to look forward to? Be it indie or AAA
>>736333537They suck because you started calling them cags, fags
>>736333604
>>736333537Why'd you put chink final fantasy and that last literal who game from bamco with the rest of masterpieces?
>>736338476
>>736338476>genokids is kh2 but with dogshit character swapping like some gachaslop>control:retarded is dmc but slow and lame>tides of anal is well not really sure since we haven't seen real gameplay looks like hold r to particle slop>stupid never dies looks basic as fuck like some nmh or lolipop shitgrim
>>736337338Do you just only play AAA titles or something? There's tons of indie and AA titles for the genre, like Dusk Diver for example.
>>736338728I genuinely hate that the answer 90% of the time to “Where are the CAG’s?” is “Play indie games, anon!”.What if I don’t want to play shit?
>>736338360>>736338360>>736338360>Lmaooooh tranny-tranny kun
https://youtu.be/TPo3oZ71EXw?is=o1Lgblv050obPlpwI'm having a hard time describing crimson deserts combat. It feels like something in the middle of CAGs, botw and musou. At first glance it looks like a bamham clone, but the feel and inputs are much more similar to CAGs. Enemies all attack you without waiting for other enemies, ie there's no enemy group attack queueing. There's no counter warnings or heavy magnetism either.But it's pretty easy, enemies doesn't do much damage at all and you have easy access to limitless healing, so it's more like a casual combat sandbox than a structured challenge.It's very fun to explore the possibilities, I've spent the last sessions just raiding camps and comparing weapon setups /combos.
>>736338814That's not even what I said and it's still a retarded response to what you think I said. Then don't be a moron and pick the good games out, which sounds like it'll be quite difficult for you.
>>736338687Can we get SoP2 or TW3WY instead? Hell, i'd be pleased if they took FF16 and reworked into removing cooldowns and having MP, better enemy variety, and a bigger focus in straightforward levels and not interrupting you with admittedly kino cutscenes every 5 minutes.
>>736338827Konnichiwa, Jeet-Sempai!
>>736338728Dusk Diver is more like a half-assed musou.
>>736338698>>genokids is kh2 but with dogshit character swapping like some gachaslopIt's fine when W101 does it
>>736338957isn't w101 pikmin slop I'm not a fan of power ranger shit
>>736338910>There's tons of indie
These games are too long for what they are imo, the execution gets repetitive too quickly. There's a reason beat em ups are only like 30 minutes long. There is not enough to differentiate navigating levels in a meaningful way, with games resorting to shit like spinning tops around or block puzzles to pad things out, or having rhythm game segments that don't scale with difficulty. All of these things are objectively bad. God Hand is great because it has really unique and involved routing, even if the combat is a little one note, because how you approach encounters changes and requires specific set ups. DMC5 improved a little by breaking the game up into different characters, but that feels a bit lazy and doesn't address the main issue imo, it's more like a cheap workaround. The main audience for this game is also not playing for rank either, these games are clearly designed for retards.
>>736338894I have so much shit on my sword it's just hold R2 to win musou style at this point. Sometimes during bosses I have to parry or dodge. While CD does have a lot of combos and shit I would put it on par with bamham/nuac.
>>736339020>There's tons of indie and AA titles You're pathetic, both for this sad attempt and only playing AAA titles.
>>736338728CAGs rely a lot on complex, polished animations to feel good to play and that's an impossible task for most indie games cause it's achieved by just having a lot of man-hours available to you. Most indie CAGs will inevitably be very janky and not very good in general.
>>736333812dumb nigger
>>736339027>These games are too long for what they are imo, the execution gets repetitive too quicklyAnon, you can beat DMC3 in under 10 hours in a first playthrough with cutscenes. NGS takes around 12 hours. Some are even on the shorter end, specially the indie ones, clocking at 4 hours.If anything, these games are far shorter compared to the bloated souls and rpgs with their meme "50 hours of content". And even if they are too long as a whole, a big key is that they are usually segmented as either levels or chapters so you can easily pace the game.
>>736337338Astral Chain.
>>736339117Indie games are genuinely not worth my time in the action game space. Indie devs don’t have the budget or expertise to produce fluid animations, complex combat systems, tight visuals, or snappy combos.The genre is unplayable unless you have the funds and manpower to create an NG4 or a DMC5.
>>736339153>Anon, you can beat DMC3 in under 10 hours in a first playthrough with cutscenesThat's a bit longer than 30 minutes anon. Make it 30 minutes long and make the game challenging so I have a reason to keep replaying that 30 minutes. This shit is just not fun. The longer the game is the more dumbed down it has to be so it doesn't feel like a gauntlet of ball torture.
>>736339027good pointthe best content in NG4 that we got were the DLC levels and that stuff is maybe 1h30, but with stupidly good enemy variety everywherebase game is a long repetitive trainwreck in comparison
>>736339129>>736339205This.Indie devs literally cannot make a good action game.
>>736339179Very cool game, but i'm too dumb to fully grasp the depth of the combat system. Doesn't help that you have to unlock all that shit first through a skill tree, lel.
>>736339239Just go jerk off to Shmups and beat em ups and fuck off. If you think a game being 5 hours is too much then i don't know what to tell you.
>>736339205>>736339246He is going to prove you wrong later during the year again with Mightyreya.
>>736333537Why lost chinks aside and not FFXVI when that was infinitely superior?
>>736339402Case in point, anon’s image is a janky mess of staggered animations and horrible art direction.
>>736339483Because the optimal form of gameplay in FF16 is to expel all of your cooldown charges back to back on a staggered enemy. It’s repetitive and boring.
>>736339358No, this is an important thing to understand. There is no 30 minute level in ninja gaiden that is equivalent to a good beat em up in quality. In the beat em up its 30 minutes pushed to their absolute breaking point in quality. This means when you play a longer game you are conceding that you prefer "content" over quality. And apparently I'm not allowed to discuss shmups according to jannies, so here I am, articulating to you what the issues of these games are instead of just talking about what games I like. In my opinion these games have some very major and obvious flaws. And an indie developer certainly could address them, but it would no longer be the "content" you are seeking, but something new.
>>736339551No it’s not lol
>>736339563I want both quality AND content. I'm not paying $70 + tax + tip + holocaust reparations for Mr. Goldberg for a 30 min game, nigga
>>736339205God I hope people don't try to make games as boring as DMC5.
>>736338476Tides looks insanely good but it's more like XVI action combat instead.
>>736339630Says the nigger that could never break C rank combos.
>>736339625>I want both quality AND contentYou can't have both, and you can't scale a realistically scale a challenge over 10 hours. Like there's no level 1 in a character action game that isn't absolute diaper tier, (except god hand because that game rules) these are throwaway stages. So much of these games are stretched out padding.
>>736339678Maybe you too just suck at every indie game that you've tried, have you considered that?
>>736339735>Like there's no level 1 in a character action game that isn't absolute diaper tier,Ninja Gaiden Black/Sigma's hardest level is probably the first one, lmao. That yellow room with the spinning door is quite literally the hard filter for master ninja.
>>736339995Best level in the game, it's all slowly downhill after that.
>>736339915>Assuming I’d even lay on my finger on peasant games.
>>736339995Just seeing this screen made me want to boot it up again, fucking awesome game
>>736339639>XVI action combatIs XVI not a CAG? I think there's certainly a spectrum of third-person action combat games with traditional Dark Souls on one end, increasing speed and combat complexity towards Sekiro/Nioh/Khazan in the middle, and DMC/Bayonetta on the other end, but I'd put XVI towards the true CAG end more.
>>736339995I don't know man, just doesn't feel like there's anything fun or unique about. Team Ninja games in general are a total mess, I have no idea what people see in these because they feel like cheaply made kusoge in terms of level design. Like in God hand stage 1 there is so much insane shit happening immediately that you can route for. Compare thishttps://youtu.be/rq4wjClIpsgTo this https://youtu.be/txRzSGlTQTcLike this shit is fucking awful man, in God Hand there's so much variety so fast, routing it almost feels like a puzzle game. It's really satisfying to replay it and try to get better.
>>736333812If you'd played the game instead of just asking fucking Google to agree with you, you would know what the square button does.
>>736333537Why not call them Flashy Action Games? Not only does it make more sense (all games have characters, but not all games are flashy), the acronym would fit so much more. Every time I come into one of these threads it's full of people who love FAGs.
>>736333604You meme but Souls games kinda get boring once you master the gameplay. Better action games remain fun after mastering the gameplay. Maybe because the gameplay is simply more fun and in depth, or maybe because the skill ceiling in Souls games is much lower. Note I am not talking about difficulty but rather fun factor with the gameplay after already mastering the game.
I don't think there's any genre more autstic than CAGfags>Don't play anything besides the same 20 year old games>Complain all new game suck>Complain the old games suck and were never good tooYou niggas are like women. Never satisfied.
>>736340213It definitely takes from DMC where you want to launch an enemy in the air, jump off of them and do a cool combo to keep them up. FF16 has a bunch of annoying shit, most notably the skill cooldowns, but hopefully Tides of Annihilation combat is at least as good as FF16's.
>genre includes the word "game" in itlmao. I guess FPS should be called FPSG
>>736340479This but unironically
>>736340348I LOVE FAGS
>>736340348FAG
>>736340262You are the one attacking a game that is well known for its Encounter design, Agressive enemies, Deep combat, Level desugn that plays against and in favor of the player. And an overall impecable level of polish and responsiveness.I won't diss godhand because that is indeed kamige. But you gotta be out of your mind if you think NGB is kusoge. Hell, even if you whine about muh UT spam, pulling the clinical use the speedrunner does is far from what the normal MN shitter can pull and encounters will quickly devolve into chaos. >TldrGo choke on a dick
>>736340390When did the game at the top left corner on OP's image come out? Here's a hint, it wasn't 20 years ago.
>>736340365I find that soulslikes (awful term) tend to have more of a focus on the boss moveset and the player side suffers as result, whereas the reverse tends to be true for character action games (also an awful term) and the boss is an afterthought more often. Fromsoftware games themselves not necessarily though, since those are extra simplistic and are kinda tied back by the series roots being based on levels first and foremost.
>>736340597Don't be disingenuous, these threads are filled with people who bash the shit out of NG4 and call it a bad game that razor's edge was better
>>736333812Square is the gun buttonTriangle is the attack button
>>736333812You dumb fucking retard. You must be a zoomer.
>>736340636NG4 is unironically the pinnacle of the franchise.
>>736340348I have been pushing for ActionGamesIncorporatingTerriblyAmbiguousTerriblyExplainedDepthForAutisticGamers thatGet Off onTediousSemanticsor AGITATEDFAGGOTS in honor of how its fanbase is as obnoxious as the ASSFAGGOTS playerbase
>>736333537>CAGCringe Ass Goyslop?
>>736340589>You are the one attacking a game that is well knownI'm literally giving you a side by side comparison, it's not "it's just good because gamefaqs says so." Like you can look right at it and see how shitty NGB stage 1 is compared to God hand. There's nothing to argue here.
>>736333537The only game that has any staying power is DMC nowadays
>>736340746DMC is dead anon
What's new in Bayonetta 2? I only played 1 because it's the only one on Steam, but I can emulate 2. Anyone prefer 2 over 1?
>>736340672You have my vote
play Stefanie Joosten game! its passable!
>>736340636There are number of people who think NG2 is the greatest game ever made and hate anything that came out after it. NG4 is the best game in the series. Even if someone prefers like the music in one of the others, they'd still notice that NG4 is incredibly high quality and takes a lot from previous NG games while doing plenty of things better.
>>736340910>NG2 is the greatest game ever madeTruth.
>>736340781I don't prefer 2 over 1. It's so close to the first one, though, that if you like one you should like the other. Probably the most notable difference is the weapons stand apart a lot more, with like a slow ass hammer or quick bow or whatever.
>>736333537I did not care for Nioh
>>736340638It'll take a while, but they can all be shot to death.
>Damn...what did Madama Butterfly do to make her THAT mad?
>>736334807Scarlet Nexus definitely looks like yet another anime JRPG like half the PS Vita library. A full move set allows for cool combos like any other "character action" game.
>>736333537NG4 and DMCV were both shit though
>>736340390I think you could make the exact same post on a fighting game thread and it would be even more accurate there.
I agree.
>>736340390>womenThat implies "fans" of this "genre" have sex. They are more like Quakers
