Well I guess they did not expect the game isn't doing well as they expectedWhat went wrong? I personally think the whole first chapter story and the endless tutorials drive new players away
>>736341508>What went wrong?Worse RPG elements than GenshinWorse factory elements than Factorio/Satisfactory Worse strand gameplay than Death StrandingWorse gacha system than Genshin/Hoyo Waifus feel uninspired and generic
Should've made a furry porn gacha that isnt 99% barafag stuff.If sales start dropping, offer to add someone's OC for some whale-only amount. Use AI to make them but use actual artists for non-OC game stuff.
>>736341508>releasing garbage that is so unoriginal that even gacha playing shit eaters caught upOh uh.
>>736341508>Twitter screenshot thread + mindlessly adopting an opinion from clickbait headlineHumanity is fucked unless we have a total retard genocide NOW.
>>736341508Maybe they should tell a different story?Make progression different?Stop copying each other?
>>736341508He is saying it is hard as fuck to innovate because the formula is stale but the numbers keep them stream lined on pre-paved paths to success. The fact is they are very aware of how their own competition even fucked up with ZZZs act 2 and of other competitors that will emerge in a years time. Do they stick to large story chapter content to the game while withholding obvious hints to the end or do they go crazy with their innovation. Hopefully the later. Keep in mind players have already figured out the entire plot of Genshin lore wise recently.
>>736341698honestly this. the opinion is weak as fuck to be a topic of discussion. these journalists are already proven to be the more retarded of X.
>>736341508The story fucking sucks, the MC and the writing around them suck and they rewrote the game multiple times. It can improve but I have my suspicions
>>736341508Maybe try to make something original you stupid fucking chinks?
lol I guess the "cute" AI penguin shit shilling didn't work
>>736341508Wow it's almost like chinksects can't innovate at all!
>>736341508uhhh but the shills keep telling the game is doing gangbusters and the engoodening is crazy?
>>736341508So, now that Genshin clones are DoA, are PvP gachas the future? Square blazing the trail here?!
You do know the article doesn't hit the main point which is that Endfield was a successful launch in the competitive market. What they need to figure out now is their daily/ weekly/ monthly content if they want to get more attention or just maintain a status quo with the other big hitters.
>>736341508Retards walk in expecting genshin and get mad that it isn't.Endfield is fun and I hope it doesn't cave to that shit.
>>736341939Square gacha ever being a success lol lmao. Not even JP bite those gachas that hard anymore after 'x' FF title bait.
>>736341873kek made me cringe as a gacha drone
>>736341939Good god, fuck no. That shit is going to eos after a year and pvp gacha can never be a sustainable thing.
>>736341939>safe horny designshumiliation ritual
>>736342016Sadly uma is doing quite good and it's only endgame activity is PvP. Gacha and pvp should never fucking mix for obvious reasons
>>736341978This, square has the most EOS gacha projects out of anyone I know. You need to be a legit downie to start a square gacha these days, it'll just shut down in a year max
>>736342090That's literally just being carried by the IP overall. I'm frankly surprised it made it to MANT, let alone seems to be surviving it at all.But I guess when the actual "gameplay" is menu simulator and rng takes the wheel of everything, it's not exactly a surprise it's shit tier pvp isn't killing it.Fuck the daily time investment though, holy shit.
>>736342164What I find worst is that it also happens to other projects that don't share the FF name but are under the Sony brand.
>>736342172It's too rng if anything, I played it for 300 hours on launch trying to get a single 3 star spark on a stat I care about and didn't manage a single one. This was with minmaxed runs where I never lost careers btw, at that point I just uninstalled because it was wasting so much of my time (I tend to get stubborn over goals). Never seen rng so bad in a game and I'm a Ragnarok online player kek
>>736342090Uma has always existed they just super refined the formula and didn't let the idol side drag it down so people who got on board really embraced it.
>>736341508Game is just boring don't know what to tell you.Yet another open world action combat gacha but the combat is even more simple. Wow. That's totally what I wanted coming from a tower defense game. The factory part is more interesting and makes more sense, but the tutorials were a total turn off as well. You get a tutorial for every single factory part which piles up quickly and doesn't necessarily teach you what you're doing that well anyway. Gacha games have never had a good tutorial, I don't know how they do it.The story wasn't doing it any favors either since it's just talk talk talk about shit I don't even remember. All I remember is that your party decided to spread originum AIDS to a new planet or something.Would've been way more interesting if they went all the way to combining the factory + fallout shelter + tower defense aspects into a 3D space.Or release Arknights as an offline game with the gacha removed. That's what I want personally
>>736342284based masochisitic ghostring card grinder. the last time I played I was wondering how the fuck my child self farmed a sea dungeon for 3-5 days for a fin helm
They should just go all in into the factory shitI completely lost interest in the game after fully automating the factoryThe story is hot garbageCombat is boring as well. Sure its different than Genshit/wuwa but its just the same press button until you kill everything on the screenMusic is good at least
>>736341508They're all the same and you can find the good parts on Twitter.
>spend like 2 bucks on extra rolls on the bear slut in the original Arknights>realized what I've just done and dropped it long after>Never touched a gaccha againglad I realized what a moronic decision that was and stopped for good
>>736341508Its doing fine, just needs more content
>>736342292Everything about your complaint was sound until the last part. Lol no that isn't how reality works. The reason why everyone hates gacha is the fact the West kept on saying bullshit about continuous updated games but gacha is the reality of this type of platform to have large content updates in months. The equivalent of what old school devs used to do by releasing expansion packs. Gacha has a similar development cycle that they stick too.
>>736341508It's easy to see what drives people away. The tutorial hell and amount of studying you have to do to run the factory adequately is insane. A modern, especially western gamer just isn't going to sit through all those textbooks and school exercises. The plot is frankly not very well written either.I'm still playing because the world is gorgeous and interesting to explore and I enjoy the combat system. But it took them one (1) patch to already start turning this into Wuwa 2, with the new operators being flashier and flashier. Someone should tell chinks that an action game system is based on precise positioning and dodges and your character zigzagging erratically and unpredictably around at the speed of light is only annoying, suicidal bullshit and not cool.
>>736342323Yeah I don't have the stamina to play 12 hours a day like I used to. Low drop rates in RO don't feel that low when the time to kill is so quick compared to modern mmo games though. I'd rather farm a 0.02% drop rate item when I can kill hundreds per hour versus spending 30 mins of my life praying for a single digit chance of something good. I guess it's all a matter of perspective though
EoS soonatleast they have Arknights to fall back to
>>736342284I'm not even talking the bullshit rng that is parent farming, which is why I stopped (I value my time too much to spend 20 minutes or more on a single run to get fucking 1* mile when trying to get 3* med), but the rng of the actual pvp races themselves.I've seen enough godly farmed umas just decide that standing directly behind that mediocre uma was the best idea and never breaks out to realize how stupid CM is.>>736342376It's got content. The problem is people are mad it isn't ballbusting content expecting you to grind for hours at a time.Those people getting fucked is a good thing. I'm a level beyond tired of stupid faggots and their fomo wanting to be forced to play constantly. It keeps ruining fine games that didn't need stuff beyond the story, but oh gotta push a dumbass grind to keep these shits happy.Fuck.
Rossi saved the game(not really but I think the game is pretty and good enough to keep playing until theres a proper endgame)
>>736342461It made 230 million USD on release month, thats enough money to keep the game afloat for like 3 years
>>736342501Rossi is a huge buff. The next set of characters I am not sure about at all. Feels like they need a huge chapter release in 2 months if they want to keep their momentum. I do subtly regret not getting Tantan because of her Ice generalist potential.
>>736342440Rossi was always going to be flashy though and is as premium as Levi was on release.
>>736341508< It's over! It's not making enough money.
>>736342608Wuwa and Nikke mogged..
>>736341508People will tell you that Endfield is different from Genshin when in reality, the game still has Genshin's skeleton and structure. The factory part is different sure and the only thing that really makes the game stand out, but everything else is just "whatever I've done this already before." The combat is the same ol' skill rotation slop but somehow more boring than the rest of the gacha market. Opening your game with whatever that story they're trying to tell ain't doing them any favors either. The endgame just sucks. I'm glad it isn't timer slop, but I hate the gimmicky shit they're pulling with it. Something like Blue archive does the gimmicky endgame better.
>>736342501I do like the fact the characters have accents in this game, never even considered playing any of these games in english before. Playing in Japanese is actually detrimental to your experience since you have this international squad but everyone just speaks perfect japanese for some reason, jp talent is really good as usual though so I find myself swapping back and forth
>>736342410I'm not saying to keep supporting it with updates after. There's plenty of content as is and they will obviously slow down on it with Endfield being out anyway. I would just buy what it has outright if I could.
>>736342605I didn't even have Rossi on my mind but Tangtang. They're all gonna be like that from here and get only worse
>>736342489>And their fomo wanting to be forced to play constantlyThis is directly caused by streamers and youtubers that keep encouraging this because they need the game content to get views for the game. Also gachas are F2P which in turn bring a lot of third worlders with low IQ that eat up whatever the streamer says.
>>736341508So don't make a genshit copy? What is this retarded statenen
>>736341939This makes me so mad. The gameplay is actually somewhat okay for a mobile title. But why the fuck would you make a 3v3 PvP MOBA out of it? Like, that is just a nightmare when it comes to finding players in one month for matchmaking and even then new players will get dropped into matches with whales who have max level skills. And yes, the gacha is not characters, it is skills. Imagine having to win a 0.3% paid gacha roll for each level you upp your Q in any other moba game. That is how this works. Why is Dissidia so cursed?
the moment a game starts throwing in time gated upgrade materials is when all my interest inmediately dies, i know they need to have some sort of time sink but i hate how it forces you to plan weeks and even months in advance just to play just meta characters, if you want to play non-meta characters you're fucked
>>736341939I tried it, but I don't understand why you'd put an action pvp game on a phoneI ain't gonna sweat swipeCasual Rinoa is so cute doe
>>736342676yeah I agree she looked over the top and was the reason why I skipped her too. Animation wise as long as they don't go DBZ with certain characters like Genshin or Wuwa it looks fine to me though that is my cope.
>>736342376ZZZ was doomed with these numbers but Endfield is doing fine? The game looks way more expensive to make than ZZZ which was mostly a visual novel with action bits.
>>736342676I don't think tangtang is overly flashy outside of basic attack chain, I don't understand why they do this with ranged characters at all. I would unironically prefer it if she just stood still and kept blasting fools even if that was more boring
>>736341939>Rinoa's miniskirt turned to shortsWhoever did this should be shot
>>736341629Nevermind most that shit, combat is simply boring as fuck and everything else is a hassle. The graphics are good, exploration isn't terrible, the gacha is actually not terrible considering how you can get weapons without having to stop pulling for characters, but the things you spend most of your in-game time doing are just not that engaging. Pity.
>>736341508Arknights OG is a 9/10 on character design. There's some misses here and there, but unless you absolutely need tits and ass(in which case you should be playing AL or something instead), the supermajority of them are interesting/cool/cute/sexy/sleek/intimidating/etc. Solid as fuck in that department.Then anyone coming from Arknights OG looks at Endfield's characters and is like, what in the shitfuck is this boring slop. What happened? Why so generic? Yeah, the vtubers are getting paid to hype up Rossi as SOOOO KYUUUUTTE and shit, but seriously.That's one of the many things that happened.
>>736341508Oh this game hasnt EoS'd yet? I havent seen anyone talk about this shit since launch. What happened to all the shills that were here?
>>736342857>I tried it, but I don't understand why you'd put an action pvp game on a phoneNomura is unironically so sheltered that he things everyone has gold encrusted phones and internet is everywhere as stable as downtown Tokyo.
>>736342962I feel it's in part because they have to be 3D, so a lot of the flavor you'd get from the art itself vanishesUnfortunate since AK's art was usually 10/10, very strong artistic direction despite all the different artists used
>>736342631I like the puzzles and stuff they do. It's nice when content isn't just time attack combat shit.>>736342762I think it's more than just that, but yeah. The issue is it's infecting regular games. I saw a lot of people bitching that monster hunter stories 3 doesn't have a fucking post-game to grind.Mad that a fucking SINGLE PLAYER RPG doesn't expect even more hours out of you.And then people still bitch about game prices these days when they wind up with 150 hours or more in a game
>>736343027They are shilling crimson slopert right now.
>>736343027It's doing well though, not mihoyo numbers but definitely good. There are gacha games out there surviving at a fraction of these profits anon
>>736342931>multiple enemies in the field>one about to cast an AOE>move out of the red circle>attack another enemy>character slips sideways back into the circle as part of the retarded animation circus>get hitThis kind of shit is infuriating and shows the devs don't understand their own game and/or don't care. Of course, they'll pull wuwa later and compensate by fully detaching the character from the field so that enemy attacks can't reach them at all while you're attacking. Problem solved! By this point the game just plays itself and is only good for uninstalling
>>736342489>to spend 20 minutes or more on a single run to get fucking 1* mile when trying to get 3* medYeah farming parents without auto career mode is just insane, I don't really bother with it at all, just with borrowed parents alone is usually enough.>umas just decide that standing directly behind that mediocre uma That's why you bring 3 aces and navigation skills, also Front chads don't have this issue.
Wasn't this gonna have Xenoblade-like combat and then they switched to normal action combat?
>>736343193I guess that's mainly a problem because the same beta testers who complained the original 1.0 story was too dark and characters were "mean" or "distrusting" of the endmin after all this time also complained that the game should be like wuwa and have a dodge button and shiiiieeet. You can even see on youtube the usual wuwa grifting crew making dozens of videos on how endfield NEEDS TO HAVE A PERFECT DODGE / PARRY pre-release. The original idea was to be more position heavy and have shielders take most of the damage, each beta moved further and further from this idea.
still dont understand why genshin impact got so bigarelli
>>736341508Their problem is that they have 2 different audiences, the people that like the factory autism and the people that like generic genshin combat. Both get bored with the other so one must go so they can focus entirely on one feature.
>>736341508Maybe release a video game with the same aesthetic and not have it be held back by being a gacha game.>>736343413It released during covid and the overall presentation was high quality for a free game so people with already incredibly low standards for gameplay were amazed.
>>736343413Free anime BotW released during the coof with gambling elementsPrior to Genshit there wasn't any high budget gacha so most wouldn't have been exposed to the "genre"
>>736343413It's the WoW effect, it released right when covid just started (coincidence??), it had decent graphics for mobile (attracted third worlders with only a phone), a lot of people that didn't own a home console or a gaming PC but owned a phone were too bored at home, discovered anime and played it.Then as time went on, streamers decided to shill the fuck out of it and people spend a shit ton of money, now it survives on sunk cost fallacy alone, quitting is too hard because of all the time/money invested, just like Wow
>>736343246Yeah, the retarded genshinplayers played the beta and complained about the tactical gameplay on the (at the time advertised as) tactical game
ZZZ will reach EOS in 2 months. Screencap this.
>>736343413it was the first big big big high budget f2p game with a better gacha system than every other gacha game at the time, keep in mind gachas back then are awful, you could spend hundreds and not get your desired .pngs
>>736342889i havent played ZZZ for a while but the amount of cutscenes and actually well animated characters they had mogged endfield, no way that was cheap.
>>736343246yes, the original endfield was closer to xenoblade or FF12 style combat but brownoid zoomers said it was too slow.
>>736342016I'd be surprised if it lasted a year..
>>736343413First open world gachaCovid buffChina number one
>>736343810oof
Asia is home to Koreans who play Starcraft 12 hours a day and tend to be the best in any game they pick up and also to a sea of SEA monkeys whose brains short circuit the moment their genshinlike game has a choice of two or more buttons they could press.Truly God revels in duality.
>>736341508>What went wrong?Genshittification
>>736343413It's like people forgot about the free hundreds of dollars that were given to every citizen in America during covid.
>>736342889Mihoyo has AAA budgets
>>736341848Looking back at the earlier promotional vids and demos, and after learning they specifically picked people who haven't even touched the previous entry in the series for focus testing, yeah they really did fuck themselves over by rewriting the entire thing solely for mass appeal. Which is profitable so, what can you do.
the early game is so fucking slow and boringthey jammed in so many NPC side quests to introduce the mechanics to you and it ruined the actual plot progression
>you need to wait 60 seconds and solve multiple captcha on desktops too nowwow this site is getting better and better>>736343346I refuse to believe this is true. Did they really caved in to demands of retards with burned dopamine receptors who would not play another Genshin clone anyway if they have Genshin already? It sounds so stupid I need a source for this.
>>736341939Mobius Final Fantasy was probably the best FF gacha they have ever made. The PvE multiplayer bosses were really fun and the story and visual were top notch, this was pre-genshin too.I don't know why they don't just take these old gacha games that went EOS and just make a single player game with the same music and lore and gameplay. Mobius FF could easily be a really fucking good mainline FF if they just remastered it a bit to fit a single player game.https://youtu.be/3tNq38A8q2k?si=FWQbbwCz-48Ha43B&t=65
>>736344247You don't need to do side quests. Stop burning yourself out on imaginary FOMO content.You do not need to do them if you don't feel like it.Just don't, it's that easy.I'm not even talking about Endfield specifically, it's a rule for all games.
>>736341508I uninstalled today. The gacha is hell, the factory shit became a slog, the story and "content" is boring and the upcoming "content" including the characters is just more generic chinkshit.
>>736341939Terra-chan is extremely cute in this.
>>736344402>It sounds so stupidso probably true.
>>736342951But she always wore shorts?
>>736341508
>>736344482I see you are a man of taste, I nyself was also partial to FFRK but global died
>>736344482I really enjoyed Opera Omnia. Yeah it has its issues, but it was a lot of fun. I just don't get how all their gacha attempts after Mobius and OO were such shitshows.
>>736341508These games have themselves to blame. Genshin has basic but fun enough combat, but it could be way better. Yet all genshin clones have WORSE combat somehow. Nobody is sticking with Genshin for the combat, the combat is just not bad enough to drive people away. So why isn't there a gacha making combat that's good enough to draw people in and keep them engaged?
>>736344708>Yet all genshin clones have WORSE combat somehow.lol dont kid yourself, genshin is absolute bottom of the barrel trash itselfendfield is like 1 tick above on the scale though so its not much better
>>736344402It was more specifically about having Wuwa tier combat not genshin, but yes it's sadly true. You can search up old beta videos or alternatively visit some wuva grifter youtube channels where they basically begged and pleaded for more dodge / parry slop from this game. Saintonitas or something was one of these clowns, I don't really follow the gacha content creator sphere so closely but apparently he's one of the worst about this kinda crap. As for the story elements being changed that's completely true too, they re-wrote the 1.0 version multiple times and that's why it sucks so much donkey dick, they even cut characters out like Gilberta who now just randomly appears out of nowhere when her banner was up.
>>736344635No, she has a miniskirt and biker shorts. Who the hell wears shorts under shorts?
>>736344748It's really not. I've tried a bunch of genshin clones but 99% of them are match-the-colors typical gacha bullshit.
>>736343458they did, it simply doesnt give a return on investment
>>736342626No one plays Wuwa on their phone
>>736344402its 100% truethere were translated chink posts, most of the beta testers bitched that:>combat was not "exciting" or "complex" like genshin>the story is too dark, it needs to be upbeat and disney-like, like genshinI forgot the rest but basically every complaint was that it wasnt genshin
>>736344802Because no phone can run their bloated spaghetti code anymore
>>736344794Maybe they should release their game on a real platform where people play games to play games, not to gamble.
>>736344708Genshin just got lucky with the elemental system being unique enough to carry them this long but it was most likely a fluke since even now the only combat additions they can do is throwing enemies that have massive resistances to characters that don't fall into some specific group. I feel like the vast majority of these chink devs have never actually play an action game like DMC, NG, Bayo, etc. but just want to utilize their visuals without having the mechanics to back them up which is why we end up with characters throwing out particles everywhere and teleporting while all you do is click 5 times.
>>736341508The writing is really bad. Too much talking, glazing, the factions are simple, too many good guys with no ulterior motive. I was excited for Rossi and got her but now what? I also don't have a team for her. Daily takes 2 minutes and the vents are still content that's passable to fun so I'll stick around a bit longer but not really sure what for. >>736342962The limitations of 3d really limited the designs. >>736343413open world, character design, and procing elementals is fun.>>736344504I understand all your complaints except the factory. You just look up a blueprint if you feel done with it.
>>736344886that's mostly because they have to pander to mobile retards
>>736344794Isn't this phone only? and also from what I remembered it looks rough and clearly didn't have a high budget
>>736344864Are you saying Steam is more popular than smartphones?
>>736344886Lucky or not, the fact is that all of the copies fail to match it, much less do better.
>>736344864i feel like if a gacha made actual gameplay that isnt constricted to 1 button to attack, for pc, it would actually do really well nowadaysthe leash to mobile is a relic of the past that really needs to die, it just does not work for 3d games
>>736344961I'm not, I guess reading is not your strong suit.
>>736344674I played a bit of War of the Visions but the story was kinda lame, character designs were amazing though. The problem was that they power crept the units really fucking fast, it was extremely whale oriented, but the challenge missions and gameplay was fun. It's like they have really good ideas on how to make fun combat, music and visuals, but they get ruined by really bad gacha monetization decisions, and the people who get to work on the main titles have no idea what they're doing. It feels like the main team is working on gacha shit and the B team is handling the console releases.
>>736344864>meanwhile gambling games like dota2 and CSGO are top played in steam
>>736341508All these gacha MMO whatevers look exactly the same and I'm not going to play any of them until they start differentiating them from each other
>>736344829>the story is too dark, it needs to be upbeat and disney-like, like genshinThis I have to agree with. Being forced to sit through some downer bullshit where the world constantly spits in your face isn't fun. I like the relaxed, comfy tone the game has now. The cast being so goofy and sympathetic is a massive part of the game's charm. It has plenty of dark and tense moments too, but it's not just that. Variety is the key. Seeing that your work matters and things get better.
>>736344886they played them, it's just that they have to water down the mechanics enough and also make sure to spread the deeper mechanics across mulitple characters that you need to gacha to unlock
>>736345059>noooo I need all characters to glaze me at all times and always be happy like a children's cartoon!!!
>>736341939Brother, Dissidia Duellum is already EoS.
>>736344989Yep, phones are the reasons gachas will never get good gameplay. Beyond the need to get people to gamble, they need absolute retards with 0 dexterity to be able to beat anything the game has on a phone.
>>736341508they have some of the best character models at least since everything is 3d detailed instead of the usual flat texture most other anime games dothis and gfl2 have nice character models
>>736344671Yeah, that game alone made me buy a top of the line phone just to run it on max graphics, it was worth it. I played FFRK a bit but I was also on Brave Exvius, so it felt kinda the same but with a worse story, so I didn’t stick with it much.
>>736345103Keep screeching, illiterate sperg
>>736344908>I also don't have a team for her.Almost everyone works with her unless you want to minmax in a game with no meaningful endgame content.>>736344829>>736344758It fucking sucks, I already don't feel like playing (I log in twice a week or so) because once I rebuild my factory in Wuling that I hilariously botched layout of, all that's left is a prettier Genshin more or less with its tiresome dailies, menial tasks (wash shit off our cows, literally) and fetch quests with no story or character development.Stuff like Surtr's side story, a few tiny parts of the story and Wuling visuals got me hopeful, but it's obviously going in the wrong direction. Maybe it's time to uninstall already rather than after 1.2 and get back to it in 2028 or 2029 to see what changed. I already gave them $40 or so anyway.
>>736342501I'm sticking with it too. My issue with the game is how it's just full of really retarded design decisions, making me less hopeful it will improve.For example:>part of your loadout includes consumble items, but it doesn't function like an inventory slot and you need to constantly carry around the consumables in your backpack so that if your operatives happen to use a heal you can replace it>your backpack is pretty limited which therefore encourages using the exact same consumable for all 4 operatives to you can save backpack space>you can use zipline towers to quickly travel from place to place>you can link multiple zipline towers to create a route>the route only functions one way>you still need to click once, the prompt only shows up within a few seconds of the destination to autoselect the next stop on the route>it saves all of about 0.02 seconds rather than just left clicking the next zipline once you arrive>this was implemented after feedback in beta apparentlyI could probably make a list of about 20 different things that are really retarded ideas
>>736345217you won't see any real change until 1.31.1 and 1.2 were basically done at release so they're basically the same level as 1.0
>>736345059You are what's wrong with the industry right now sorry bro, every game is this kiddie bullshit because you can't deal with any hint of negativity and need everything to be sunshines and rainbows. Have you even looked at the 1.0 story pre-changes? It's infinitely better than what we got
>>736341508>eroge gacha >all penetration no lewd outfits >regular gacha >not lewd at all>both have dogshit, clusterfuck UI with boring daily grinds is it too much to ask for a sexy collectathon?
>>736344482seriously why the fuck did they kill off mobius, it's like the one phone game I actually liked
>>736345059>It has plenty of dark and tense moments tooWhere? That one part with a retard, actually illiterate sister crying after almost equally retarded brother to the tune of loud cellos and Chinese singing? Wow.The story in Valley IV is fellating the main character and sacrificing a robot (because they have no balls to kill off even an NPC), then it's "look how fucking beautiful and cool not-China is", which I already get enough in Arknights, thank you.Sure feels like this company got successful by accident, just like Mihoyo.
>>736345059uh oh, chinky
>>736344829Those who still play Genshin are really strange in that sense, because it's all cope. The game was decent when it was released but compared to newer similar titles it isn't all that anymore. I get wanting combat to be more exciting and complex, but Genshin being standard for that? Come on. The game released with relatively basic combat already, because they wanted to make up for it by other interactions, because it was supposed to be like BotW. Now it's just nuking everything with the same basic combat but flashier effects. Unfortunately the game fostered this weird core audience of gacha nufags, who are essentially a take on the Boss Baby meme, where whenever they even dare to look at anything else they go>Wait a minute, this isn't The Boss Baby at all! What the hell! I demand it be changed at once!which is extra retarded because often they try these newer games because they are unhappy with or tired of Genshin.
I was super into Endfield for like the first month, maybe a little longer, but after finishing the story and doing a bit of farming you very quickly hit a wall where there's almost nothing worth doing anymore. Just logging in and doing busywork for 5-10 minutes then logging off. That's when I uninstall.Still, I'm not even complaining. I am perfectly okay with China putting out these kinds of titles alongside Where Winds Where that allow you to enjoy 98% of the content without paying a dime and have pretty incredible graphics (especially for a mobile game) and are actually optimized to run well. Saves me money and ends up being more enjoyable than most other $70 slop that's released these days. Looking at you, CV2.
>>736344665>>736344665SEX WITH STELLE
>>736341508>What went wrong?Unironically the handling of Wuling hamstrung the appeal >release zone in parts>tie region progress and upgrades to said parts>region progress is needed to increase output of mines>region is starving of all resources to the point you can only have two battery and one medicine barely running without regional import of ferrium>start delving into byproduct management with sewage>added long ass underground pipes that don't really have a use case outside of compact design (which you'll never see because you still have empty spaces and you'll tear it all down when the last part drop anyway)>no tool to actually manage pipe flowThere's also the fact that the factory is a one-and-done deal, you got no reason to rebuild anything or to manage production on a daily basis since the fedex simulator part need so little to be packed into crates that it can just be maintained by a single assembler working at 10% efficiency
>>736341939Is this just an expensive Nomura vanity project?
>>736345295>>736345335If you enjoy games where you just get fucked in the ass with no way to avoid it, and nothing you do matters, that's your thing. But the majority of people don't like that and expect some more interactivity and player agency in their video games.
>>736345375samei spent more time constantly rearranging my factory every time i unlocked something than I did doing any combat anyway; once i caught up there's no more factory to domakes me wish they'd just do a full ass satisfactory rip off in the same aesthetic as endfield
>>736345059Every chinkoid is like this>my animu girls need to be brainless teletubbies or else the game is too real!
>>736344402>I refuse to believe this is trueNta but it is. I was in the minority among those chosen for CBT1 that wanted them to retain the active time combat style. The inclusion of a dodge mechanic was introduced later in the game's development and was criticized as an oversimplification of the previous combat system. Things that got scrapped from the beta, from the top of my head, other anons can chip in:>the entire opening cutscene with the Sarcophagus heist>a whole ass important NPC that asks whether or not to call you "Endmin", "Oracle", or "Doctor">AIC tutorials integrated into the early introduction of Valley IV with less hand-holding>the active/wait time combat where you are able to orient your attack direction and AoE>no perfect dodge, timing and positioning was more integral to combat>gear crafting using combinations of various factory-made materials (live version only uses a single component type coupled with currency and can be crafted anywhere)>the Bonekrusher enemy faction had a named boss (Cliff) and cutscenes where they actively show conflict with Endfield>Fjall, a playable medic/support character, who was a field operative involved in said conflict, scrapped from CBT2 onward when the story was gutted>repeatable weekly combat activity where you could earn Arsenal currency at a higher rate than the live version>different elemental system with more specific interactions (Thermal + Pulse = Radiation)
>>736345367reminds me of WoWfags
>>736345367Genshin is basically WoW for a younger generation. Neither games were original concepts (WoW being an EQ clone, Genshin being a BotW clone) but they had (Genshin still has) incredibly high product values and ended up fostering huge communities because of it. After spending so many years of your life on something, people are never going to let it go.Unless things get really, REALLY dire...
>>736345430-Solo Levelingbro btw not sure if that matters
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>>736345018JP EOS got announced recently. Once that goes, it'll mark the complete and total death of the Final Fantasy Brave Exvius franchise, all content lost forever because it was mobile only.Isn't that hilarious?11+ years of content.All gone.With no legacy.
>>736345315My cope is that they will someday remake it into a single player console game, there is just too much passion put into it in every aspect to let it go to waste.
>>736345430The happy stuff has little weight if everything is sunshines and rainbows all the time, you gotta have a little dark and feel sad about stuff too to appreciate the good times. A depressing setting is infinitely better than a forever happy rainbow ponyland. I'm not saying main characters need to die each chapter for it to have meaning, but the story could be about smaller victories and bringing a small amount of joy to some people instead of this disney tier slop. Even the original arknights does this better
>>736345619A hero emerges
>>736344504Arknights has such a vast world of unique designs and locations and they decide to dedicate the second chapter entirely to boring chink shit we've seen a thousand times before because literally every fucking chinese area in these games is the exact fucking sameit's a shame because the natural landscape of the area is beautiful, it beats out dogshit like that terrible flying chink shipping yard from star rail, but the city is really bland and the plot with the endmin feels like it just grinded to a jarring halt to focus on the chink characters instead, I feel like we got more backstory in Rossi's sidequest dealing with the stupid kids than we have the entire fucking time in wulingling into battle go. it just feels like a fucking terrible choice for your second zone, it's always a terrible choice for any of these games to lead with and yet every single one does and spends way to many fucking patches in
>>736341508The game is genuinely just fucking boring
>>736344858I know it is completely pointless to say this, because these threads are all baitfaggotry anyway and it has been said a million times - None of that matters, because the entire list is bullshit. It's revenue based solely on the chinese iphone appstore (so not even all mobile) and extrapolated using a arbitrarily made-up formula as though it does encompass all platforms, which makes no sense. And even IF it wasn't a complete bullshit list in Wuthering Wave's specific case everyone is saving for the upcoming anniversary and collab.
>>736345669>if everything is sunshines and rainbows all the timeWhich it's not. Even half the time.
>>736345717Their main problem is that they are chink games and must always shill chink shit. This will never change as long as the ccp exists.
I'm expecting some sexy swimsuit skins during the summer to boost sales
>>736345801It really is, there is nothing remotely bad going on in the game. The villains and what they do is disney tier, you don't find them slaughtering entire villages despite being portrayed as such and the only sacrifice we've made is a singular robot lmao. I bet that was originally a character but the chinks complained it's too dark like their daily life or something. The enemies in this game are so fucking goofy it's hard to take anything seriously. Besides everyone is a happy go-luck salaryman who LOVES THE GOVERMENT and WORK, no personality allowed.
Is the OG Arknights still ongoing? Would you recommend it over Endfield?
>>736345903there was the guy that turned himself into a wooden ox, funniest shit I've ever seen, but he was also a generic model grunt we were introduced to like five minutes before we beat him to death so I don't know how much he counts. I guess the cat girl with bad voice acting felt really bad about it.
>>736345960>Would you recommend it over Endfield?In a heartbeat.
>>736345960Yeah I think. It's still up at least.It's fun for a gacha. Decent tower defense, I like how there's a few side modes with different implementations of the gameplay, aesthetics are great and the setting is interesting. Although I don't care for the plot.
>>736345960too much missed out on to get into
>>736341508>What went wrong?Paypal fiascoCPU bug still not fixed 2+ months later making some people hit thermal limit after they introduced an undocumented 200mb patch after a week of releaseAtrocious gacha systemFake open world with shit explorationFactory quickly becomes an afterthought while it is the ONLY thing that sets this game apart from the competitionOriginal game lauded by its fanbase for the soundtrack, yet this one has a run of the mill soundtrackAbsolute garbage storyTone deaf, trying to make us sad for a robot in the fucking arknights universeUninteresting art directionCombat gameplay is shitThe list goes on. They basically aren't doing anything better than the competition and honestly at most times they're doing worse, the only decent thing it has is graphics thanks to not being a real open world and having no day/night cycle or any weather system.
>>736346184Kek I forgot about the paypal thingImagine fucking up THAT hard
>>736346184>ONLY thing that sets this game apart from the competitionFell for it again huh?
>>736346224to be fair, they also just auto refunded everyone no questions askedyou could have whaled thousands for free
>>736345903>you don't find them slaughtering entire villagesWtf are you talking about? There are fucking corpses everywhere you go. Every area in valley 4 suffered catastrophic damages and casualties when the bad guys hit them. You have people chased out of their destroyed villages dying of famine and injuries all over the place. Wuling has a literal magic nuclear waste burning the country, the stockade people starving unless they steal from the city. How is that happy? You're a blind, illiterate retard
>>736346047>he was also a generic model grunt we were introduced to like five minutes before we beat him to deathRuan Yi's one of the first NPCs you meet after arriving in Wuling. Must suck having alzheimer before you've even hit 20
>>736346184I don't think arknights even had a robot character that wasn't a 1star filler unit.they could have had a single playable character that was a robot just to establish any kind of personality or if they're even sentient entities instead of using them solely as puzzle box collectibles. how the fuck did they expect an emotional reaction to a fucking microwave being unplugged?
>>736341508this is just developer incompetence and incredibly retarded decisionsroco kingdom isn't even gacha and is only available in china right now, and it's right at the top of their ios chart (meaning it's making even more on pcs, where more people would be playing an open world monster collection game) with a 4.7/5 rating from 110k reviewsmaybe these shitty waifuslop gachaslopshitters realized that they have to actually make games unique instead of copying the same fucking thing over and over again
>>736341629>Worse gacha systemThat's probably the biggest fault of the game.
>>736346184>Factory quickly becomes an afterthought while it is the ONLY thing that sets this game apart from the competitionThis is why I never got my hopes up in the first place. It was interesting that they went for this, but also clearly the kind of mechanic that can't exist meaningfully in a game like this, because their main audience can't be asked, so it just doesn't. It reminded me of GFL2 going for xcom style gameplay, but it's a gacha game so of course it's just dumb enemies charging in and characters nuking everything, making you wonder what the point even was of doing it like this.
>>736346457We got a guy, sorta (soul piloted)
>>736346184The paypal thing is worse than people think, you could exploit it and potentially get a million dollars worth of free currency for the rest of the game's lifespan and people DID exploit it. No rollbacks btw, and they STILL haven't re-added it as a payment option which is kinda big since paypal accounts for a lot of the transactions people make in these games to the point that every gacha game has it as an option.
>>736345018The worst thing about it is that the game itself was just a reskin of the studio's previous gacha: The Alchemist Code. A massive amount of maps were the exact same, some characters had the exact same skill set, even the main story had extremely similar vibes with two brothers being put against each other by a fucking retarded father the writer tries to pass as a good guy despite sometimes acting like a goddamn Luca Blight.But it had some very damn good tracks, this one in particular feels like it was taken from a Heroes of Might & Magic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=othwYQHHpncStill it's a shame that I missed the artbook square sold on their store, the art direction was fucking on point and exactly what I'd want from a new FFTactics.
>>736346332And none of that is displayed or shown in the game or it's storylines, you're just told they're horrible bad people like disney villains. Show don't tell, chinese games have horrible writing because it's all infinite blabla no matter the game, this shit is genshin liyue tier drivel.
>>736341508arknights is the best gacha ever madeit's hard to move on from that and make a vastly different game and fulfill the expectations people have
I played for about 6 or 7 hours. I thought it was really good, but at the end of the day I just didn't have time or energy for another open world gacha. It would need a really, really strong hook to get me to drop anything from my current rotation (Nikke, ZZZ, HSR). Endfield is not a bad game, tho. And the character designs were really cool.
For me it’s the shitty art for 90% of the gameLike if it all looked like the sex and fighting scenes great, but when you’re in town it looks worse than 360 games half the time
>>736346827The world isn't very big so I don't really get the open-world complaint. I think it's kinda fun to place the ziplines and mining drills etc down as you go too. But yeah fair enough, maybe you just have open-world fatigue at this point even if the world is small
>>736341508Its yet another derivative of Genshit. Dont know how people can continue to play these.
>>736341508I mainly play wuwa but played endfield at release for around 200 hoursStory was very boring and didn't enjoy the dalliesCombat is pretty much just hold left click for 80% of the time and occasionally press two or three other buttonsNot sure about the gatcha mechanics, I didn't buy any pulls but felt the free pulls were a lot less generous than wuwa.
They ever manage to fix the anti cheat & chromium ghost instances that fucked up loading the game? Only way around it was a full restart on win 11.
>>736347842>win 11
>>736345502>the Bonekrusher enemy faction had a named boss (Cliff) and cutscenes where they actively show conflict with Endfieldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTbwdeKG8YEI'm not sure if this is better, but at least it was different from the dodgeslop wuwalike it is now.
>>736345960It's not showing the full picture, but if these are the question you ask, then: yes and yes.
>>736347974Lacked a lot of polish for sure, but it carried the design philosophy of Arknights well into 3D where you really had to commit to a deploy, direction or skill usage.
>>736341508GAAS is just not a good idea these days, these games have become life styles for people so they end up asking people to kill their current selves and drop their communities to switch over to your gamejust not feasible
>>736342376Why do people keep posting these charts, their numbers are 90% made up bullshit based off of the iOS ones
>>736341508>makes a clone of genshinslop>act surprised when people get bored of your game 1 hour inWhy is it so hard to make games in other genres? Why is open world slop all these chinks know?
>>736347974This doesnt even look THAT bad, its a bit rough but instead of refining it and try to make something more unique in the current gacha landscape they took the lazy way out. Disappointed in what we ended up with.
>>736348509this, the only GAAS I'm playing now are trickcal and limbus because both games are low maintenance and incredibly simple. if i wanted to play anything more complicated, I would not play a GAAS, I'd play a singleplayer game that can afford to have more complex mechanics and higher difficulty without trying to gouge me
>>736347974>it should've been single-player MMOsloplol no, that looks horrifying
>>736341508I told you retards. No one listened and called me a doomposter lmfao
>>736348631>This doesnt even look THAT badIt looks like dragon age and FFXIV had a motorically crippled baby that survived being flushed in the sewers.
>>736347974This should be a full on turn based. I dont like these sorts of hybrids.Either stop the clock and let me think or just make it mash friendly, no bastard kids from the middle
>>736348769Yeah, lets just make the most generic boring dodgeslop instead with zero identity.
>>736348828Try Honkai Star Rail then, if you're not playing it already.
>>736348886Being a technically convoluted, unpolished clusterfuck isn't an "identity"
>>736348954Its more of an identity than what we got, yes but cope more.
>>736341508>Players know what will happen in the next 20 hoursI didn't know the game was going to be boring as fuck with nothing to do tho
>>736349004I have no reason to cope since the game is now actually playable and profitable, retard
>>736349098>I get to eat this piece of shit that is catering to the lowest common denominator and that makes it good!Retarded SEAnigger.
>>736343413pity system became the standard which is a god send from the shit we had to deal with in the past.
>>736349098you are the problem with these games
>>736344482you should stop liking Sony gacha's 2 people already sprung on them on first mention which is true how little Sony cares about long term investment of their games. They would rather hire a new team to milk brand new whales.
>>736341508>Hold the attack button and press your dodge button with a ridiculous amount of i-framesNice "gameplay" endbabs. what a joke.
