>Villain is bad because he tried to sexually assault a woman and threw a teenager into the TV because she had the gall to talk to a man like a dumb slut

Yes

>Villain is not le bad because...he is just like me, and I'm not le bad..right? No that can't be, so the villain can't be le bad because it would be admitting I'm le bad...

Many such cases. Sad!

>villain is bad because his motives are selfish and self-admittedly malicious
ftfy

>>736355120
same applies for any protag

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>game features puzzles that require genius level iq to solve

>>736354193
No one has ever claimed that Adachi is wrong in his assessment of opportunity in life (brutal unless you have talent or connections), what's wrong is his reaction to the reality of his situation.

>>736355262
So what is the moral then? If you have neither just sit off in a corner working some dead end job and waiting to die while the important people enjoy life? I mean it's a jap game so that does sound on point.

>>736355262
>No one has ever claimed that Adachi is wrong in his assessment of opportunity in life (brutal unless you have talent or connections)
the entire moral of the story is that this isn't true if you're honest and you work with others

>>736355356
>What is the moral then?
In game? Being in a shitty situation, particular those you feel are imposed on you by others, can either not necessarily even exist and you're literally just being anxious (like with Kanji, Rise>>736355262
and Naoto), the situation isn't actually that bad (Yosuke and yukiko) or can be overcome with self introspection and growth (teddie).
Adachi did none of these and just seethed over it.

>>736355167
>Perhaps the same could be said for all protagonists...

>>736355691
What the fuck do you think connections refers to?

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>>736354193
No, Adachi is the villain because instead of accepting that this is his lot in life, or even just quietly killing himself, he chose to take it out on other people by killing THEM instead, making his shitty life circumstances everyone else's problem, directly contributing to the very issues he loathes by lowering the quality of life.
He's allowed to be bitter and resent the world, but taking that shit out on other people by killing them just lowers the overall quality of living, potentially rippling into MORE Adachis being created in the future because Adachi killing someone close to them might have been the inciting incident towards a total downward spiral, and then the cycle continues as those Adachis inconvenience life and create yet more Adachis, repeat ad nauseum.

>>736354193
should have just learned that people climb via nepotism. let that serve as a life lesson for anyone in the same spot

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>>736355980
Counterpoint: Others deserve to suffer for his shitty lot in life, and it's ultimately their responsibility to fix the situation since we live in a society.

>>736354193
this meme gets tiresome

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>>736354193
replace talent with connections and you are right

The whole "talent" thing feels like it was written by a 14 year old. Would make more sense to complain about nepotism or wealth.

>>736356087
If they directly contributed to Adachi's circumstances, yes, they probably should help the guy out and bear the burdens that they created for him, or meet some consequence for their actions. Obviously not fucking murder, because then they don't ever get the chance to make up for their errors, but something of substance.
Otherwise you're just spreading suffering to those who did nothing to him, which inspires more Adachis to do the same out of bitter spite.

>>736356270
That's basically what Adachi means anyway, it's just that they can't be too on the nose about the message because otherwise that's rocking the boat of Japanese culture too much, the same way in Persona 5 that the Phantom Thieves are "safe" rebels who only target symptoms of the status quo who are safe to remove, rather than addressing the status quo itself.

>>736355786
he's referring to connections and talent that you're born with. his whole point is that your life is decided when you're born which is retarded

>>736356087
This is a great argument for shooting Adachi in the face.

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>>736354193
Adachi is fucking retarded and Dojima genuinely cared about him too.
https://youtu.be/jOlJoShHH4A?si=Xi3yof1Jtdg39qo7

>>736356087
This line of thinking is unitonically the road to gay faggot gommunism.
>"restorative justice" for people who have genuinely been wronged
Becomes:
>"this vicious animal with 150 priors just raped an murdered his way through a town; he needs our help, not prison!"
Help those that actually deserve it, and execute those that actually deserve it.
It's surprisingly easy to figure out who is who 99.9% of the time.

>>736356552
It also helps that 99.99% of people are selfish retards who are just waiting for anarchy to become viable to show their true greedy, life-disregarding colors, the only reason the majority of this species is even still alive is because the selfish retards at the top of the ladder need useful idiots to keep their thrones stable.

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>>736354193
Should've took the Mishimapill

>I may not be able to change the world, but I can change myself

>>736356734
>Still stuck in the same rotten world

>>736356850
Then just kill yourself, like Yukiko said.

If you're just going to be a baby about existing, then just fucking die. Nobody's responsible for picking you back up.

>>736356896
Nah, I'll kill other people.

I wish I could push people I don't like into TVs.

>>736356734
>bike cuck the character
This guy is literally antithetical to slinks as a concept. Hes probably the worst slink in the entire franchise. At least p3 moon is comically shitty. At least p4 hangedman gets a little better. Mishima actively fights against improvements in his life so he can suffer more

>>736357072
>Mishima actively fights against improvements in his life so he can suffer more
How does this make sense?

>>736355691
>you're honest and you work
The entire cas absolutely sucks the MC's dick regardless of what he says and does, to the point you literally can't fail social links. Even the true ending straight up says the whole reason he's so successful is because of manipulation through the gift of divine intervention.

The moral 9f the story is quite literally the opposite of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps, bucko". It's "those born gifted status are destined for a good life. The rest suffer what they must".

>>736357175
>Even the true ending straight up says the whole reason he's so successful is because of manipulation through the gift of divine intervention.

What is this headcanon? Izanami gave him a Persona and that's about it.

>>736356896
Or he could kill others instead. Why should he be a cuck and accept being dealt a shitty hand while everyone around him gets to have a good time?

>work harder than others but get less out of it
>get cheated by others who are held to a lower standard
>point out how this is unfair
>”just try to be positive and look at things from their perspective, tyrone probably just needed that TV to sell to feed his kids, it can’t be helped”
>spend entire life loyal to these values and working hard while getting humiliated for even once questioning them or wavering a little
>watch other people repeatedly cheat and take shortcuts because they know they won’t be held accountable
>meanwhile you’re punished the second you step out of line just because you’re held to a higher standard
>”well it’s because I know you know better, tyrone is just gonna keep looting anyway so there’s no point in punishing him”
>finally snap after years of contributing to society while the people you served gave it all away and let it go to shit
>”lol what, you weren’t supposed to actually listen to us! We never promised you anything”
>”I mean sure it’s easy for me to say this cuz I got mine and I have a home and a wife I get to fuck every night, but y’know sex is overrated anyway chud”

>>736355691
>if you're honest and you work with others
And how did that work out for you. Because for the majority of humanity, it doesn't.

>>736356953
>>736357329
Have you considered the fact that you'd rather kill people out of spite instead of asking them for help fixing your shit is the problem and the entire point?

>>736357397
>work harder than others but get less out of it
Right away you fail. Whose the source that Adachi was a hard worker and above his peers? Before the anime and other supplementary materials that exist solely to polish his reputation, the only source on that was Adachi himself.

>>736357459
If his community ever gave a shit about him he wouldn't have ended up in his position in the first place. And if your community abandons you that means they don't consider you as part of their in-group. As a social animal, you have 0 moral obligations to those that are not part of your in-group. Killing them for your own benefit is fair game.

>2008 is 18 years ago.

>>736357615
What if this isolation is all in your head?

>>736357615
seek therapy before you hurt someone

>>736357615
based realist

>>736357938
Then his situation wouldn't have turned out the way it did.

>>736357982
>Go to the psychological jew to get charged for taking to someone who, upon hearing that you want to hurt others, will get you arrested
Nice try

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>>736357175
>to the point you literally can't fail social links
you can tho

>>736358135
>Then his situation wouldn't have turned out the way it did.
That's exactly WHY his situation turned out the way it did.

>>736357556
he made one mistake on the job and got fucked because of it.
Society gives second chances to people who are never incentivized to do better, while the people who take the brunt of the work are the only ones held to any standard while also being treated like shit and given no incentive to contribute to the system.
If Adachi really was exaggerating his work ethic no one would give a shit about his screw ups. If he continuously screwed up or just did the bare minimum, the system would eventually just stop giving a shit because it becomes too much work to tard wrangle people who resist.
The fact that Dojima was always on his ass proves that he had a reason to expect better of Adachi or because he knew Adachi would just take it up the ass.

>>736357615
Most humane post ITT

>>736358189
No you can't. Not progressing them isn't the same as failing them.

>>736358310
Nope.
>B-But Dojima!
He mean his boss that physically and verbally abused him? Wow yeah, great connection there buddy.

>>736357409
life is tough but being dishonest just makes things worse for everyone. people who aren't honest spend their entire lives coping with how much they hate themselves for it. basically if you stop living by the truth you go insane trying to live with the guilt

>>736354193
>realistic
It's a Turing test at this point

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>>736357691
>im almost as old as adachi now

>>736357615
>they hated him cause he spoke the truth

>>736358364
>he made one mistake on the job and got fucked because of it.
That "mistake" is never mentioned in the game. Maybe he lost evidence. Maybe he sexually assaulted someone. Maybe he showed up drunk to work. You automatically assume it's not a big deal.

>>736358543
Show me one instance of Dojima physically abusing anyone.

Also, Adachi's social problems took root WAY before he ever made it to Inaba.

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>>736354193
Adachi, you’re a rapist

>>736357175
All the hardships and social problems I've inflicted on myself or on others and had to deal with the consequences were from dishonesty or poor treatment.

>>736358725
its okay someday you will be old enough to post here and understand that adachi was correct

>>736358860
Just make sure to put down the gun before you hurt yourself, Shadow.

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>>736354193
>"Living is too painful for you, but you don't want to die… Of course no one would understand! It makes no sense!"
>"You're just throwing a tantrum like a kid who can't have his way!"
Never has an /v/tard been able to refute it

>>736354193
Adachi is a great villain because he is essentially a 4channer

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>>736358984
>gives you a pantyhose fetish for the rest of your live
the spoiled teenage girl who's biggest problem is that her parents love her is just too wise for this board

>people talking in circles about the same fucking themes for almost two decades
persona was a mistake holy fucking shit
mainline SMT does pseudo intelligent LE DEEP THEMES too but at least it didn't attract the cock snorting waifu retards along with it

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>>736359125
smt fag that other games actually have a story

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>>736354193
Ain't this the guy that when presented with a woman in his room sperged out and pushed her in. Like, unc, be like, zesty as hell. Not scared by criminals and dead bodies but a 40kg woman and he had to jump her from behind and push her inside the TV. What's this guy's problem. That girl was gonna give him a good time after a few drinks prolly. What a retard.

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>>736359125
>at least it didn't attract the cock snorting waifu retards
That's where you're wrong, cars are bad for you.

>>736358737
>anon I want to chop my penis off and become a woman
>tell him that’s a horrible idea and will negatively affect his physical wellbeing for the rest of his life
>kills himself
>society tells you it’s your fault
yeah honesty doesn’t really seem to win out in the end to me

>>736359204
SMT is literally based on the 1980s fantasy/horror JNovel genre while Persona is just Pokemon for pubescent tweens

>>736359367
doesnt matter what its based on, the smt games barely have any story compared to persona

adachi didn't kill anyone, shadows did.
>b-b-but lions and piranhas
lions and piranhas kill, not you who pushed

>>736359246
that sucks but it seems like that would've happened regardless if you were honest or not, and you should be happy that you were. obviously something like that isn't your fault

wait, if Adachi is in prison and there's tv in prison he can just escape?

>>736360183
he wouldnt do that thats illegal

>>736360183
This is how he’s playable in Ultimax

>>736359742
I’m not saying you are wrong but I feel like it’s more complicated than just “be honest”
There are many instances in life where you are encouraged to give up your values and defer your judgement to take a chance on others.
Do I deserve to suffer because I had every reason to believe someone knew better than me and that person’s bad judgement caused a terrible accident that I technically let happen?

Adachi was so close to becoming a CHAOS hero. He is right about humanity in the end. When life/fate/God tries to fuck you over, you go kill it.

>>736356270
Speedreader-kun, Adachi thought he wasn't good enough to have a good life regardless how much effort he put in it. Adachi never thought having no friends or contacts was a disadvantage.

Started playing p4 again recently. Just scrapped past Shadow Kanji at level 19 with depleted sp. Feels good. Can't wait to bench yosgay.

ahem
Naoto is going to turn trans
Kanji will be gay
that is all

>>736357615
Stop samefagging, edgelord. You can't even kill a fly.

>>736354193
in old literature, a 'villain' was often someone who came back for revenge after you fucked them over.

>>736358729
Adachi didn't rape anyone.

>>736360183
No, Anon. Adachi doesn't have a magic bear mascot that creates doors back to reality. He could have been trapped forever in a 1x1 room for all we know.

>>736354193
villain is bad because he had incredible powers he didn't use for good and cried about not having talent despite having an innate ability that basically nobody else has

>>736359235
>cars are bad for you
Statistically, it's true. You're at a high risk of dying driving. What's controversial about this proven fact?

>>736363032
>What's controversial about this proven fact?
That we still use cars despide cars killing millions of people. Says that men is fine with risking his life for comfort.

>>736354193
He killed people

>>736362939
That's not how it works REO Speed Reader

>>736363594
That's exactly how it works, illiterate-kun.

>>736363295
We should also give up man's mastery over fire because fire kills.

>>736363664
Well... that's the point. You would rather have people burn to death than give up fire. Says a lot about you as a person, eh?

>>736363779
Yes.

>>736363779
>I eould father freeze to death or die of food poisoning than risk tripping into a bonfire and not being able to stand up

>>736364173
Ah, the midwit post. I was waiting for this.

>>736364173
monke is fine without fire
man will be like the monke

>>736364250
how does monke do in climates other than tropical or without a source of heat?

>>736364229
Regurgitating dogshit takes from asiatic children's cartoons is the midwit position, anon.

>>736364485
Why would monke live where is too cold to live?

>>736364561
Ah yes, doubling down. The midwit's old reliable.

>>736364571
i appreciate the evasive response
humans and animals are different in significant ways so comparing them is quite stupid to do

>>736359235
The argument is dumb when applied to cars but this is how I feel about alcohol, it's really strange that people just accept all the crime and accidents that come hand in hand with people getting intoxicated.

>>736364485
They develop intellect and learn to make fire

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what do you get when you cross a mentally ill detective with bitches and whores who reject him and treat him like trash?

>>736354193
Literally me.

>>736354293
Well, besides that he was an okay guy.

>>736354193
The investigation team didnt even have one good argument against him. Thats how you know he did nothing wrong.

>>736366703
He coerced a mentally ill dude into kidnapping teenagers and children to throw them into TVs
But yeah an okay guy

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>cheat on your wife with a tv show host
>cheat on your wife with a teenager
>attempt to murder a bunch of people
>get away with everything
>win the elections again
Lmao

>>736366878
Is this Trump?

>>736354193
Why do Adachitards love pretending he didn't throw two girls into a "kill you dead" area solely because they wouldn't fuck him?

>>736366878
Most realistic part of Persona 4

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Adachi could've been drowning in lonely okusan pussy and enjoying a quiet, comfy life, but he chose to be a bitch instead.

>Villain's motives are hard to find fault in and arguably better than the hero's

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>>736368074
lmao the way Adachi tries to get it on with them is funny for how autistic it is. The first woman was in complete distraught over her national scandal then this random detective from nowhere's ville goes "Hey baby wanna fuck?". Like how retarded must you be? The same goes with the hebe high schooler. She's all scared and anxious and here it comes Adachi with his dick out and his zero rizz. So funny it's pathetic.

>>736358591
The fucking king of dishonestly is the most powerful person in the world right now.

>>736363664
Not the same thing as a car, at all.

>>736358984
Didn't she cuck out and did like her parents wanted her to like a good little bitch?

>>736355356
Not to be a murderer/rapist.

>>736370596
Good. That's what all women should do. Shut the fuck up and do as they are told by the men in their lives.

>>736355356
>So what is the moral then?
Enjoy your life. Make friends. Get a girlfriend. Be loyal to yourself. Get out of your comfort zone.

>>736354193

Maruki was this. Adachi is just the loser who killed a bunch of women who disagreed with him.

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>>736371165
Maruki did nothing wrong, and his ending is canon.

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>>736354193
Persona 4 with the protagonist it has, the villain it has, and the overall themes it has is truly the worst incel trap imaginable. If someone who actually struggles socially is to play this game, they have no choice but to walk away with the lesson that Adachi was pretty much right, and that chad ziocock is just born born better, and in that light there's nothing wrong with being an antisocial incel since you were never going to be rewarded for your efforts anyway.

And this has... somehow... become a desirable paradigm in the genre? Having all the characters mindlessly suck the avatar's cock even if it's at odds with the overall current year message about people being diverse individuals worth interacting with? Persona 4 and its consequences have been a disaster

>>736371225
maruki's ending is just accepting a version of 'god' that is actually benevolent and wants good out comes for everyone. I dont even think the game made a decent counterpoint.

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>>736371919
I'm shocked so many people identify with Adachi at all. Let's say you're an oofy doofy unfuckable 3/10 no hope incel.
Adachi is not that. Adachi has a job, he had a girl show interest but he fucked it up. He looks like an average guy, 6/10 with a suit. He's just blackpilled and took it to the extreme.

He feels more like a failed normie than a loser. Other characters have based opinions on foids too btw.

>>736371919
Persona is pretty much a series where social conformity and hyper socialization are treated as a good thing and the MC is a "wild card" whose power comes down to telling everyone what they want to hear to raise their social link like a complete sociopath who has no real views of his own and just adapts to whoever is around him.
Overall it's probably a healthy message to it's young audience who are still learning how to socialize but it does seem odd to me that every main antagonist feels more human and relatable than the main self insert MC.

>>736371919
You disingenuous loser. First of all, Adachi hasn't been right once in his pathetic life. Second of all, Chad Zioncock doesn't get his zioncock sucked for no reason. The guy is a good person that's always ready to make an effort and to sacrifice is own well being for others. When was the last time you did something for someone else that wasn't Mister Number 1, Anon?

>>736372270
The point was that it's better to go through the struggles of life on your own than to just let someone who thinks they know what's best for you decide everything.

>>736354193
Yeah people don't like to hear about their faults or the faults of society from someone who can't immediately help fix them, huge shocker. You're supposed to learn this when you're 4 and if you haven't, you think villains like Adachi are so epic for TELLING IT LIKE IT IS XD

Go read 48 Laws of Power, recognize everyone who isn't autistic knows this stuff automatically, and stop being a Namatame or Mitsuo - everyone who relates to Adachi is actually one of them.

>>736372397
>I'm shocked so many people identify with Adachi
>he looks like a failed normie
You still think you're in 2008 /v/, is the problem. I'm a failed normie and definitely had a pseudo-ironic Adachi phase when P4G launched.

>>736372806
The game was made for you to only do the social links you like. If you are a faceless sociopath that goes around saying what others want to hear is on you.

>>736354193
Why does this faggoty thread always make normalfags seethe, especially failed normalfags who come here?

He's evil cuz he's autistic, p4 is anti autism

>>736372806
The protagonist of P4 is aspriational and the villains are based on different archetypes of ATLUS fan. The game stands out from the series because it's a brilliant letter of correction aimed directly at Fatlus, that fans missed almost entirely.

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>>736357615
Killing them wouldn't benefit you. They would go from being apathetic to hating you and wanting you dead. Just pack your bags and leave before you do something horrible.

>>736356734
Anyone with this mindset is a fucking weasel.

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>>736373101
>48 Laws of Sodomy

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>>736372967
I'm not saying that Adachi is remotely right, just that the way his story is set up in contrast to the masturbatory player-pleasing choices in game design an narrative is extremely unfortunate.

It's like Alan Moore being shocked that his smelly comic book guy readers like Rorschach very much, and don't like Ozymandias. Shockingly, a billionaire is not easy to relate to. If only capitalists=leftists knew a single fucking thing about the average person.

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I actually don't understand is point at all. Just takes his frustration out by committing 2 murders just because he felt board and then spouting off some shit about how it's unfair because he got reprimanded for fucking up which got him tossed to the boonies.

>>736374002
Themes and such.

>>736373882
What the fuck are you talking about? The only masturbatory thing here is your ego. You are thinking of 5, because 4 does not masturbate the player. The MC is handsome, big deal. If you were handsome you'll realize how irrelevant that is for anything non-sex related. The MC of 3 is also super handsome, or else Tanaka would have not given him the time of the day. 5? Now that game masturbates the player as much as possible.

>>736373882
Alan Moore doesn't want you to like either, or Dr. Manhattan, he admits he wrote the whole thing from the inside and it suffered for it. He endorses Watchmen, which I know you dislike because it doesn't make a demonic caricature out of brown people.

>>736374002
>felt board
I'd like to feel up his felt board too if you know what I mean

>>736373723
>haha if i ironically deflect surely i won't be left in a prison of my own creation
enjoy the people you attract, you can all bounce flippant remarks off of each other and laugh eternally

>>736374171
How autistic do you have to be to genuinely believe this?

>>736373101
>go read a book on how to be a psychopath

>>736374002
Compare him and Yu. One works a 9-5 and will never make it (presumably because he's ugly) while Yu gets bitches without any effort because he's talented, good looking ect.

It's basic bitch doomer shit.

>>736373625
Weasels are the ~8% of people who manage to escape their parents' income bracket, yes.

>>736374282
What you call autistic I call enlightened. You fail to correctly interpreted the game, and I bet most things in life. You think you have high intelligence when you have no wisdom.

>>736373548
>Killing them wouldn't benefit you
What if their deaths and the destruction of their idylic circumstances gives me joy and fulfilment? What pleasure does fucking off and dying alone in a forest give me?

>>736374310
Adachi didn't get a girl because he spent his entire childhood and teenager years locked up in his room studying like his daddy told him to. Adachi failed because he focused on the wrong things and refused to accept fault.

>>736374285
If that's the only way you can conceive of using that information, which is presented objectively and without call to action anyway, then the failure lies solely within you. That's really all I should say, but I feel like pointing out that people like you are the ones who end up bearing secondary responsibility for most of the consequences of an unchecked psychopath because you try so hard to look away. Ignoring these people and their tendencies is not the solution, but people like you are quicker to turn on someone who notices than someone guilty, and they absolutely use that.

>>736374449
Sounds like something an out of touch zoomer would say.

>>736354193
His "realistic view" was that a lady he saw on TV should be his soulmate, and that a teenager should have sex with him because he'd heard she dated a college student.

>>736374662
Meh, between the animation layer and the foreign culture layer, age isn't really an easily workable vector for analysis in translation.

These lines always have bite, but they're totally hollow. Most people just aren't interacting with the game - or most animation - on that level.

>>736374449
>without any effort
(Yu) put in the effort nearly every single day since he arrived in Inaba doing something to be social or self improving, he is also just a nice guy to be around Adachi does the bare minimum and then goes right home to watch liveleak footage

>>736354193
How nice. The monthly persona midwit thread is here. Lets what the usual suspects have to say this time.

>>736374589
Then tell us how it is boomer I want to laugh

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>>736355221
I still haven't done a single Funky Student question without looking up the solution.
Maybe I solved one on my own.
This is across 4 or 5 playthroughs.

>>736372397
Random tidbit. Woman (女) the 姦 kanji can be used for noisy. just like 3 trees become a forest

>>736354193
>have sex with me
>"No!"
>Billions must die
Incels unironically see themselves in him

High school girls owe sex to middle age ojii-sans.

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>>736374449
>because he focused on the wrong things and refused to accept fault
>haha, look at that loser, doing exactly what society has been telling everyone to do in order to achieve a good life for many decades, and the sucker fell for it LMAO

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>>736377016
>He trusted society

>>736377016
Being committed to your job and education doesn't stop you from building social skills nor is it society's fault

>>736376754
sorry to burst your bubble but is used for rape exclusively (e.g. 強姦). 囂 is the correct moonrune in all cases

>>736374449
Yes.
In Japan that is typical. They are more strict about grades and such.
>fault
Fault for what? Doing as your family tries to instruct or tell you? Do you want to work an irresponsible job or do you want in the police academy? You don't have time for friends that isn't responsible, you won't even have them when you get out of school. Study hard and honor your family. You don't want to end up like an american piggu cop right??

>>736377390
He's not studying anymore. His fault is still denying the mistake of wasting his youth studying like a good little boy because daddy told you to. He also can't accept he fucked up and was sent to the sticks as punishment. Adachi never takes faults for his actions, like a woman.

>>736377221
>Being committed to your job and education doesn't stop you from building social skills
It does in nipland.
>nor is it society's fault
It is.

>>736377357
It is today. It's why "it's an old saying". An old proverb 女三人寄れば姦しい

>>736357615
Giga based

>>736377516
None of that is his fault.
The only fault he actively perpetuates is rejecting people's attempts to reach out after the fact. The anime section we're talking about shows him tossing out nice old woman making a bunch of meals for him and he throws it away in favor of the boiled cabbage. That is his major malfunction. The fault you fixate on has absolutely nothing to do with his issues.

>>736377927
>None of that is his fault.
Yes, it is. He's a big boy, now. He's free to do whatever he wants. To use God's free will. He choses to throw his little tantrums because he's not good enough to satisfy his frail ego. He's a manchild. He's big now. He should be aware of the scam that is society.

Why couldn't he just go inside televisions and become one of those internet streamers.

>>736355980
If I cant have what I want then nobody can

>>736355980
Killing yourself is a major inconvenience to financial models and city resources.

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>>736378513
I'm suprirsed someone on /v/ would post this. I thought it was the typical "everyone knows but don't point it out" kind of thing

>>736378069
No, he is incredibly cognizant of society's faults. He completes his character arc by accepting Dojima in arena and getting over himself.
Fixating on fault is why he rots in jail and stagnates for a while after. Fixating on fault is why a lot of people get stuck in their isolation. It is learning from that experience and using it positively that helps a person grow.
Working adults can easily tell you that most work "mistakes" are petty. A lot of them are even drama-related. Who says he actually made a mistake? Maybe he was unpopular and they didn't want him so they sent him to the boonies because they couldn't fire him so they got him on something they would have forgiven otherwise. He doesn't have a sociable history.

It's like shitting on someone for not using the meta when people taught them something different over a decade ago and it was working just fine. You don't seem very sociable yourself maybe you should work on that instead of berating others.

>>736378735
Sorry nigger but I don't play spinoffs not canon

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>character learns about (((them))) and how life is worse than it should be because of (((them)))
>proceeds to murder some random TV reporter and high school girl instead of going after (((them)))
Huh?

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>Villain is bad because... he wants to end the world!
What's wrong with that? We pay taxes to people who are slowly killing off the population they promised to protect, intentionally introducing cancer and viruses via food supply, start wars for fun, make up laws and ignore them, use elementary school level tactics to dismiss logical debates and want to replace the white population with indians. Why is Ikutsuki a bad guy for wanting the world ended quick and painlessly instead of slow and horrifically?

>>736378965
I mean his plan was culminating in a world of fog, where rejected traits manifest as Shadows and only the strong survive. It's not like his plan ended at pushing people he didn't like into the TV, that was just the happy accident that started the journey.

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>>736379040
Because if the world ends, then my wife can't cuck me with my boss, the neighbor kid and the dog.

>>736378808
Where have you been? We've been talking about the non-canon stuff because that's part of this reply chain. The anime isn't "canon" in the same way. You just can't find a rebuttal. Did you know that you don't even need to reply? You could've just let the sentiment be. Have you ever thought about a conversation on the internet that didn't need to be framed as an argument?
Again, very unsociable. Maybe you should take responsibility and your own advice.

>>736379151
Nigger I think you are having a stroke.

>>736378723
I mean if you're going to tell people to kill themselves to avoid material fallout, you should at least be honest about the material consequences.

>>736379203
I'm not. You are throwing a tantrum. Get over yourself

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>>736355980
Why would any sane person choose to kill himself when his life is shit? Only mentally ill people think like this. A sane person would try to change his surroundings. If he really were to be trapped in a situation with no way out then the sane thing to do would be to lash out at the system that is harming him. Suicide is for retards, soulless bugmen, and trannies

>>736355356
The moral is just because you hate your life doesn't mean you should attack unrelated people.

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villain is bad because... she's in a bad mood

>>736379398
Good thing Adachi isn't a sane person, then.

>>736379416
Sorry I don't acknowledge persona 5 memes not canon

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>>736379553
lmao bro you are the one throwing the tantrum because I don't give a shit about cashgrabs.

>>736354193
>Man I can't believe I'm a useless piece of shit with no job, no education, no skills, no hobbies, no training, no qualifications, no prospects, and I live with my parents because otherwise I'd be homeless.
>I can't believe I fucked around in school doing nothing and then when I graduated I got raped by the job market because I didn't learn a single thing. Why was this allowed to happen to me?
Why is the millennial existential crisis being a complete waste of potential and making literally 0 correct decisions in life? You mean it's society's fault you were given the freedom to fail and chose to take it? Why can't you just not be a useless faggot?

>>736379040
Bro the worlds bigger than your shithole, imagine making your problem a another guy problem just cuz you feel edgy.

>>736379612
Persona 5 is a cash grab

>>736379653
Bro acting like studying gets you much further. Your gay diploma just guarantees you a bit more money for your slavery.

>>736379612
Then why did you join the discussion talking about cash grabs?

>>736354293
>threw a teenager into the TV because she had the gall to talk like a dumb slut

how is this bad? didnt she wish to be on TV anyway?

>>736379691
Your mom is a crash grab.

>>736379398
(((They))) have spent a lot of money associating mental illness with unfuckables, criminals, ugly people, etc. to intentionally create an untouchable caste in western society and if you think like a sane person (as you are,) you get thrown into a hospital and "treated" with a scarlet letter so that nobody will take you seriously ever again. People think using violence when you're under the boot of an informed oppressor is a cowardly act; they've totally flipped the script. It's over.

>why didn't you take the lashings and wait for a chance to earn your freedom?
white people itt unironically thinking this way
you hate to see it

Adachi is funny because he literally tells the protagonist that he only became a cop to legally rob and kill people, and he's only butthurt because he got out-bullied by even more corrupt cops than him. There's literally nothing noble or admirable about this. The fags that idolize Adachi are like Elon malding that he wasn't cool enough to get invited to Epstein's island. They're all child rapists. They're just not *successful* child rapists.

>>736357229
wildcards are literally fated from birth to be extremely important and attract other important people into their orbit. the entire persona mythos is built around this concept.

Ngl everything about adachi is kinda sad.

>>736379683
You sound like the kind of guy to ignore growing problems because you haven't felt them yet, or pretend they haven't been happening to you for decades.

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Persona 4 is based and the most heterosexual game in the series.

>>736379894
This, they're the Persona equivalent of SMT protagonists, literally created and chosen by the will of the multiverse to determine that universe's destiny.

>>736380056
Ok so?
It's not even a good justification to burn the world.
>Ohh im going to be villainous because there's too much war and pollution!
I would respect it more if you just said you want to kill for the love of the game.

>>736379889
He says he did it to legally carry a gun, which is a huge red flag, but it's not as you say.

The line you're drawing between failed criminality and successful criminality is true for most people in most situations (minus the paraphilia.) Their fear of punishment is stopping them from committing an offense, though likely not any specific one. Same goes for hurt people hurting people and getting upset when they lose. It's a nearly universal trait among people and a necessary consequence of a hierarchy. of any kind.

It's really meaningless unless you think yourself above it all, which would be telling.

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>>736379040
>Chuds complain that politics are controlled by jews
>Elect the most hardcore zionist goys in world history to lead them
>They start wars for Israel
>"wtf how could this be happening to me? Why am I dying for Israel?? This wasn't supposed to happen!"
>"How come the Epstein files aren't being released? How was I meant to know that Epstein's VIP list would suppress the files???"
>The entire world should just blow up so I can escape my failures!
Millennial politics are such a strange blend of profound incompetency and psychopathy. Billions must die because I fucked up lmao.

>>736379683
The world is shit everywhere, pal. You are nothing special.

>>736380327
Yeah finally somebody said it. What are these chucklefaggots doing making more buildings, as if there’s a desire to bring more people here. We should be looking for alternative options. I’ve seen enough hamplanets dude we need to find something better

>>736380294
And shit like Epstein and Trump are just symptoms of something that's been happening since before everyone's great grandparents were born.
This shit's ALWAYS been the standard, and the reason no one's pulled together a successful revolution to reset the status quo is because it doesn't need a reset.
It's literally just losers who can't apply themselves and learn the street smarts to network into actual comfortable living, which is why they only see wageslavery for the absolute retards who haven't figured out how to life.

>>736380294
In fairness everyone does the same song and dance with Israel during Presidential elections where they pretend to be moderate or isolationist and then they hire the Zionists after they're elected. Second term Trump voters have no excuse, but the first term ones that thought it would be a nice middle finger to the system are understandable.

>>736379894
I don't think that's entirely true. The protagonist of P3 didn't start off special. He BECAME special when he had Death sealed into him. That's when he became the chosen one. The one who chose him was Aigis (albeit because there were literally no other candidates at the time).

>>736380501
>Just sell your soul and your ass and your morals bro
>It's that simple you get to smash tattooed whores and do meth
>Buy my manly online class here where I teach you to be alpha gamer chud with disposable income.

>>736380245
Your respect doesn't mean much. You're the kind of guy who wants everyone to suffer.

>>736380268
Even if it's common, that doesn't make it heroic. Everyone pretends that Adachi was mad because he got passed up by Chad in the application process because his test scores weren't good enough. But that's just Adachi coping. He even admits as such in the story. In reality, he did get the job. He was a cop in Tokyo. He just botched it and got demoted. And now he's taking out his seething cuck rage on the local hillbillies. The latter is way less sympathetic than the former. People just want to pretend it's the former because otherwise it's kind of damning to self insert as Adachi.

>>736380623
Morals are a human construct designed to pacify idiots and filter the capable from the subservient, most famously preached by local pastors and televangelists with the goal of scaring cattle into obeying with the fear of "eternal suffering", despite the fact all evidence points towards a total cessation of existence when we die.

>>736380501
There's nothing about the natural world that prevents psychopathy from being advantageous from a first-person perspective in the short term, yes. Eventually the inability to empathize with future or past states stands in the way of long-term safety, as we see happening with climate health. Something does have to be done, on a ~150 year timescale, or we will be radically reinventing the way we inhabit space on or off this planet.

>>736380561
I mean, he wasn't exactly shy about his Israeli ties in the leadup to the first term - I'm not sure why his supporters were so surprised he turned out to be neck-deep in their pocket.

>>736380605
he was already a wildcard and was fully active when aegis and death created a midnight hour and killed his parents and aegis sealed death into him. in fact, all of this happened *because* he is a wildcard.

>has talent
>works hard
>gets one setback in life
>uses it as an excuse to shit on all of his potential connections and to try and end the world
Yeah, villain is bad.

>>736380748
>Morals are a human construct designed to pacify idiots and filter the capable from the subservient
Okay, Elon. Go do your ketamine now.

>>736380501
>and the reason no one's pulled together a successful revolution to reset the status quo is because it doesn't need a reset.
The reason is because they were extra careful to demoralize, distract and destroy any idea of revolution throughout decades of psychological manipulation and parasitic infestation of all corporations and system of government.
But that just means the next revolution will be longer and bloodier than ever.

>>736380751
Space is not real, dummy. This is the only world we have.

>>736380751
>with climate health
A scam.
There's 0.04% co2 in the atmosphere.
At 0.02% plant life starts dying off.

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>fuck up at work
>instead of getting fired you get sent to a comfy rural town to work there instead
>boss is a cool older dude who makes himself your mentor
>this is supposed to be horrible, torturous circumstances that justify murdering random people for fun according to /v/

>>736380768
I don't think that's true either. My understanding is that there's actually a larger number of "Wild Card candidates" in the world, but most of them probably don't end up saving the world. It's more about being at the right place at the right time.

>>736380768
You pulled that out of your ass.

>>736354193
>Villain bad because he is a murderer who wants to kill everyone
Yes, retard

>>736380926
there's a quality of narcissism you probably need to fully appreciate why people identify with adachi. some people really thought, or were promised by well meaning adults, that they'd be in charge of some huge vehicle for change or influence, and a character in the National Cinematic Universe. anything less feels worse than death.

>>736380916
This is the exact demoralization that's being talked about. Next is bringing up what some retard said 50 years ago about ice caps.

>>736380926
>my boss fucked up hardcore at work, stepped on the toes of people three levels above him
>they basically publicly denounce him
>now my coworkers and I just don't fucking listen to him anymore

I hope they just fire the asshole soon

>>736380876
>>736380916
You two should meet up and go somewhere else together.

>>736380916
Next level cope, dude.

>>736381136
Marijuana and Persona 4?

>>736378078
Like how Team Rocket doesn't fully realize they have a talking Meowth?

>>736380704
I mean anyone who's unironically self-inserting as Adachi is just doing it out of some misguided role fulfillment from childhood friendships where their antagonism helped to round out a social dynamic or proved as a useful post for others to cut their teeth against while learning to socialize, mutated out of an adjustment disorder. That kind of chūnibyō stuff is pretty well understoood, real cluster Bs are too detached, unstable or self-involved to relate to the world through consistent avatars they didn't source themselves. Not sure it's worth too much thought or derision beyond that - these are harmless nerds who'll crash out on themselves, if anything.

>>736378078
>Why dosen't he do [anything else].
Because hes a loser who's ambition got crushed that's literally the point.

>>736380926
>instead of getting fired you get sent to a comfy rural town to work there instead
Police pay is influenced by location, hence the boiled cabbage memes. Being in the sticks as a rookie isn't promising.
>boss is a cool older dude who makes himself your mentor
>"ADACHI YOU DUMBASS- AND WHERE'S MY COFFEE"
That isn't to say that Dojima doesn't have more calm moments but we frequently see him stressing out and taking it out on Adachi.
>this is supposed to be horrible, torturous circumstances that justify murdering random people for fun according to /v/
He started that as a coping mechanism when he figured out he wasn't dreaming and actually pushed someone into a television, and puked when he found them dead. He takes responsibility and admits that he did have those feelings that Fog God decided to take advantage of and manipulate. It's why he sits in jail.

>>736380926
it's a fucking banishment room assignment
adachi's ass was literally never going anywhere else, his career was functionally over

>>736381136
>>736381037
>Anon provides real numbers that are easily verifiable.
>Jew shows up to shout "NU-UH, YOU'RE THE DEMORALIZATION PROPAGANDA ARTIST NOT ME!"
every time

>>736381595
>He takes responsibility and admits that he did have those feelings that Fog God decided to take advantage of and manipulate. It's why he sits in jail.
This is not ingame.

>>736381707
That is explicitly in-game, after you beat him.

>Cushy job and set for life
>no debt
>no drugs
>no medical problems
"I'm not a famous movie star and I have to work instead of not working so I'm going to kill people"

>>736381694
You may as well declare that science is useless and engineering works by magic if you want to cite the 2% of climate science that denies imminent crisis. I'm sure you believe all kinds of things with far shakier scientific backing than global warming and its consequences. But whatever, I'm not about to get all Redditor over your flat earther nonsense, just go have a V8.

>>736381821
>no drugs
weird thing to list here, people are culpable for their addictions but not the other two

>>736381842
I wipe my ass with your pop science cult.

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>>736354193
Adachi is an entitled narcissist who will paint himself the victim of every scenario he's in. His social link in Golden makes this very clear with how he deals with the old lady at Junes.
>Why won't this senile hag leave me alone already?
>Oh she wasn't senile? I guess I was just a replacement son till her real one came home huh?
He take a complete nonissue turns it into some "look how hard I have it" pity case.

>>736381694
My town just spend 3 weeks breaking May's temperature records in March.
>The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
You are a servant of the devil who's trying to destroy God's creation.

>>736381924
You don't even wipe your ass.

>>736381907
People can be culpable for their debt too tbf (gambling) or even medical problems (injury brought about by bad choices), I'm just listing things that can ruin your life

>>736381907
>t. someone who has debt and medical problems but at least no drug addiction and needs to feel special about it

>>736381962
It's been chillier where I live.

Males instinctively understand that they have to compete and climb the social ladder if they want any chance at attracting a mate and passing on their genes, so when faced with the demoralizing idea that their life has amounted to nothing and they will die forgotten some would rather lash out than live quietly, especially if they believe they no longer have anything to lose

>>736382425
Every time you pseudo-science niggers start describing man as a mere animal that follows some mysterious set of rules (written by nobody btw no higher beings allowed) to justify your evil desires I gag like a cat.

>>736382323
That's nice, sweaty. On average it's still in the top 3 hottest years ever because it's way hotter for me than it's been colder for you. There's a special place in hell for the mediocre who, in their selfish attempts to prove they're more than they are, cause grave damage to themselves and their surroundings.

>>736380938
Yeah, I feel like that's closer to the truth, especially with the series' focus on human potential. 4 and 5 prove it's not just the chosen heroes who get the wildcard, there are other people who have a chance to change the world. The heroes are just the ones who decided to try and change it for the better, like Philemon predicted they would.

>>736380748
>all evidence points towards a total cessation of existence when we die.
I take your primary point, but this aside is wrong. Even as a physicalist, there's no reason to believe that experiences of a type don't continue after death. It's not clear what the locus of consciousness is, and as an emergent property it's notoriously resilient to predictable reduction except in the highest abstract expressions like language and mathematics, even when removing large pieces of brain matter. The perspective, for lack of a universal term, is extremely elusive and persists even without external inputs as we see in dreams and near-death experiences when conscious awareness is otherwise limited and the body is obligated by the strongest set of stressors to use its systems efficiently to the best of its ability.

>>736382617
Climate change isn't real, dummy. Don't tell me, you got the vaxx.

>>736382613
Tbf, how is he wrong.
He said no lies.

>>736382736
He's wrong because he reduces humanity to a mere animal and all men's fault come from his inability to breed. It's both wrong and stupid. Pseudo-science.

>>736382256
uh no, it's just that like >>736382098 said, it's categorically distinct from the other two in that it would require external force for you to avoid culpability, whereas the other two may or may not be your fault purely circumstantially

its kind of weird that you need my opinions to come from a place of weakness

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>>736371919
The problem with the game is that it was made in 2008, during a time when things weren't shit, and is currently playable and still popular to this day and has many new people play it to this day, during a time when things are shit.

The problem with the game is that it says that it assumes society is fine and all your problems are self-inflicted, which was true... in 2008. But is not true in 2026, because society is not fine currently.

"Manning up" and going for opportunities instead of passing them up, like Adachi does, used to guarantee you a good life. Nowadays, it doesn't. That's the problem: this game is incompatible with reality, which is funny, because that's the complete opposite of what the moral of the game is.

>>736382425
Not every problem can be solved by "dude get a gf and have sex" there are tons of modern males who still do vile shit even after they get a family

>>736354193
he's bad because he decided his life sucked so much that he'd make it everyone else's problem for whatever he felt like, which, yes, included murder. maybe being a fucking asshole over bitches and whores is your idea of a good time, but an officer of the law still broke the law.

>>736354193
>Gets himself a promising career as a detective with an even more promising future ahead of him
>Noooo, my life is too boringgg, I really hate women too for some reason
What an idiot.

>>736382728
Yes it is, you're just trapped in the sunk cost fallacy like the cuck you are.

>>736382829
99% of problems women cause are because they can't gain exclusive breeding rights with the top 1 man in her environment, which as the years have gone on ever since the industrial revolution, have only expanded to the point where they only want the top 1 man in the entire world.

>>736382989
Wrong, niggy. Throw more buzzords, next time. Maybe it will help.

>>736383002
Yes because men of old had no problems at all and life was wonderful back in the day. Retard.

>>736372397
Adachi is just realizing that society is shit. That's why many people like him at his core.

>>736354193
His real problem is he listened to woman in the first place, if he didn't care about womans response or even better, they didn't have this much control over men, none of this would have happened.

>>736383002
lol, those problems you're talking about are caused by #2-#99 trying to become #1 by getting rid of the rest of us
from the top to the bottom, this is how it goes, bros step over bros for slightly better hoes

>>736382861
>adachi fucks up so badly that they send him to bumfuck nowhere
>this is somehow not his fault
Considering he was a cop, he must have done something really fucking bad for that to happen to him. There is no country on the planet where cops get severely reprimanded for filing paper incorrectly or something trivial like that. /v/ermin see adachi refusing to take responsibility for his own mistakes and relate because they too are narcissists who are incapable of admitting fault.

>>736382831
oh is that so? well how convenient

>>736383272
Considering Adachi tried to rape a TV star and a high school student in less than a year, I believe the fuck-up was huge.

>>736354193
>The villain committing rapes is treated as more sympathetic than the villain trying to reverse rapes
What's going on in Persona

>>736383320
why do you talk like you're on camera

>>736383272
You seem to have trouble reading.

Might I suggest going back to grade school?

>>736383432
>let's denote every hostile action between sexes with rape surely this won't cause problems

>My life sucks, why can't an asteroid strike the earth and free me from my own bad decisions? Billions must die so I can patrol the mojave as a reborn badass.
>The system needs to be burned down to the ground, but in a way that never inconveniences me personally in the slightest. I want to watch the Revolution as a movie from space.
>I want to wait around for Superman to save me instead of doing anything myself, and I will get mad and punish anyone who tries for not being literally Superman.
These three core thoughts summarize 99% of the angst you see on this board. It's all extremely childish, of course, none of this is actually a serious opinion about anything. It's just disturbing that so many people unironically think this way. If anything, the fact that these people exist at all is the most damning condemnation you can give to the system.

>>736383552
literally just described ASPD, NPD, and BPD with internet humor line by line and said "this is the problem"
like thanks, Bill Nye

>>736383552
>you are not allowed to hope billions die if you are not able to cause those deaths
Please use your brain for once in your fucking life.

>>736383441
the whole world is a stage and i wouldn't want to interrupt you during your part

>>736383552
Have you read the history of the fall of Rome?