>Grow up in Los Angeles>Play VTMB as a teenager>Get super interested in the world and setting and imagine Vamps and Werewolves in my local area>Nothing good comes out of VTM since this game in 2004Why is this franchise such wasted potential bros?
the first half of your post is completely irrelevant shit that no one cares about, you could've just posted the last line
>>736359230>Why is this franchise such wasted potential bros?The whole WoD setting is. It sounds cool and interesting but the more you learn the worse it gets. They just got lucky during the mall goth craze in the 90s.
>>736359456WoD grew too big too quickly for its own good. We didn’t need a whole supplement for fucking mummies, but the writers thought they were obligated to represent ever classic horror monster trope as a whole separate world rather than keeping it simple in scope.
>>736359230>Why is this franchise such wasted potential bros?Every other attempt doesn't "get" the actual appeal of VtM. Everything made in the Paradox era has this indulgent, purple prose ridden quality to it. It stews in melodrama over nothing, it's essentially taking the negative stereotype of VtM being for whiny mall goths and treating that as an aspiration.Bloodlines is actually very light on that stuff, its tone feels very realistic, despite the blatant unreality of things. LaCroix, Nines, Isaac Abrams, and Maximillian Strauss are all major political players in town, and they all talk entirely differently. You can have moments of comedy to break up the darkness, and when something dark or sad happens, it actually has weight behind it, like with Samantha in Hollywood. The idea of VtM is greater than the sum of its exact lore, and Bloodlines is excellent at delivering on that idea. It's unsurprising to hear that Bloodlines threw out 90% of the official lore on Los Angeles. Redemption wasn't as extreme, but did something similar. If anything, ignoring official lore to make something better is very true to the tabletop.
>>736359230>Get super interested in the world and setting and imagine Vamps and Werewolves in my local areahttps://youtu.be/KOHa3gm2Mkw
>>736359230I wonder why
>>736359230>Why is this franchise such wasted potential bros?Here's the thing. Most people couldn't give two shits about VtM. That's not what made most people like Bloodlines. People liked Bloodlines because it has some well designed characters, a somewhat interesting story with enough intrigue to keep you want to keep going and lots and lots and lots of movie references.
>>736359230retarded writers. vtm tend to attracts some insufferable theatre kids and unhinged schizos and rather then do the rational thing and ignore them, the ppl holding the IP always turn them into writers.under paradox, the unhinged schizos have lessened but the theatre kids have gotten worse
>>736359230The best thing about wod is that troika made a game about it. Other than that a lot of the setting is low-quality. And it got a lot worse in later editions. What you love about the game is that it was made by a talented studio that let your imagination run wild.
>>736359230It's been 22 years, time for acceptance. World of Darkness is mediocre tranny bullshit that received one good adaptation from the people that made Fallout, you don't need to desperately attach yourself to every "franchise" like a rabid consoomer in search of an identity, just enjoy the one good product and then move on.
>>736360818>Most people couldn't give two shits about VtMlol? WoD was THE secondmost popular tabletop series in the 90s
>>736360191>LaCroix, Nines, Isaac Abrams, and Maximillian Strauss are all major political players in town, and they all talk entirely differently.This is the most important thing that is not being taught to modern writers. People speak differently not because solely because they have a different accent or they have brain problems, but because communication is different between individuals. LaCroix's annoyed and dismissive because he's trying to rush to his perceived end-point, which is being an unopposed ruler. Nines talks fast and gets straight to the point because he's seen exactly what happens when people take too long or get comfortable, because the Anarchs lost Los Angeles after holding it for nearly a century. Abrams is able to shift between domineering and encouraging because that's how he handles his business deals in the movie industry, interacting with directors, writers, and actors of all stars and stripes. Strauss speaks calmly, almost slowly, because he's been around for over 300 years, and generally he carefully chooses his words in conversation because he recognizes that being a successful vampire is a marathon, not a sprint.You can immediately tell what kind of a person they are by conversing with them. It's one of the reasons why people are suckers for Jack's schemes. Jack is loud, uncouth, and unrepentant, but most players keep spilling their guts to him because he does the most insidious thing of all: He simply asks what you're up to without any condescension, just treating it all like a normal conversation. He lets you share what you're doing, asks you what you think about it, and then depending on your answer, he'll either quickly agree with you, or partially agree and then encourage you to do what he really wants, which you'll end up agreeing with. Why does that happen? Because he's a former pirate, a snake, a con artist, and a backstabber. He knows a mark when he sees one, and he'll take advantage of it. In this case, (You).
>>736362858Wow! So amongst the 0.000000000003% of the population that gives a shit about tabletop games WoD is the second most popular? That's so impressive!Almost everyone who played Bloodlines does not and never will give a shit about tabletop games. Bloodlines was not made for the people who play the tabletop game. Troika explicitly said they didn't care about the tabletop when making Bloodlines and were surprised that White Wolf let them get away with that.
>>736360191>Redemption wasn't as extreme, but did something similar.How did White Wolf get away with it?
>>736363303>Troika explicitly said they didn't care about the tabletop when making Bloodlines and were surprised that White Wolf let them get away with that.Source?
>>736363303For the record, I'm fine with the TTG. It's the average fucker who wants to play the TTG that I can't stand. If I had enough free time to beat up the entire European LARP scene, I would.
>>736363048Yeah, I don't know where it came from, but so many characters talk the same now. In an attempt to "set the tone", everyone sounds the same.
>>736363349why is his face a circle
>>736363959kek i didnt want to believe it for a long time but wod and vtm just attracted the worst types in america too, the worst dysgenic antifa archetypes i've ever seenmade me wonder if that was always the goal, especially since rudi >>736360719 is written as leading an explicit vampire antifa group who fight neo nazis to protect troons
>>736364197I can tell you where it came from. Good writing requires multiple perspectives. More accurately, it requires understanding that almost any character being written needs to be written from the position that they believe themselves to be sane and rational. The easiest example of this done competently is Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar", specifically the difference in the way Brutus and Antony communicate to the crowd during Caesar's funeral. Brutus speaks in the common vernacular that would appeal to the plebeian masses, his speech hinging entirely that he committed a murder "not that I [he] loved Caesar less, but that I loved Rome more." He speaks to the audience as one of them, because that is the most reasonable, rational thing, in Brutus' mind, for him to do. He's trying to make the audience view himself as "one of them", and through him and his actions, agree that Caesar's death was justified.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op0DQ0Z65iIAntony, meanwhile, speaks in the famous iambic pentameter that Shakespeare is known for. He speaks elegantly, patrician and above the crowd, because he doesn't need the crowd to love him or view him as an equal, but to make the audience rabid and frenzied and eager to kill Brutus and Cassius. It is specifically this speech that is the more famous. They happen minutes apart, but we all remember the idiom, "Friends, Romans, countrymen, led me your ears."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=101sKhH-lMQModern writers have forgotten that people change their speech based on their goals and ambitions. Their characters speak the same because their goals are inevitably the same, to either preach the gospel the writer themselves believe is true, or to act as a caricature of the very concepts they hate, which is how we get "I AM SILLY" and "WORDS WORDS WORDS" in comic strips and indie video games.
>>736359318Why did it strike such a personal nerve with you lmao? U mad that he grew up in LA and you didn't?
stop liking communist milkers
>>736359318Nta but how is OP growing up in LA not relevant to his enjoyment of a game set in LA? Makes sense to me. I wish I could play a game set where I live
>>736365098nobody anywhere has ever been mad about that except faggots and cumdump "actresses"
>>736359649Didn't Mummies come out second after Vampires, before even Werewolves?
>>736359230>>736359318It's really cool you grew up in LA in its heydays, OP, what was it like? :DI only played VTMB as an aldult, and it was the one thing I was looking forward to doing in the weekend. It has some flaws, but what they nailed was the atmosphere and I thought it was really nice.
>>736363349Why does a Nosferatu have the Ventrue clan curse?
>>736364348Rudi is an invention of nu-White Wolf for v5, the people who made the previous versions had nothing to do with it.
>>736365935Where do you live?
>>736360719>I-IS THAT A...HECKING NIGGERINO ALLY WHO SAVES FELLOW TROON!!???? OMG I'M STIMMING SO HECKING HARD!!!!!!
>>736366160It's a shame that the Source lighting has become archeotech and is literally impossible to replicate in a world where everything runs on Python coding in Unreal engines abusing AI toolsets.
>>736366718Because you can also pick it as a flaw for any vampire. Do you believe that only Malks are crazy or only the Toreador are gay?
>>736367934>It's a shame that the Source lighting has become archeotechIt really was the last good engine
>>736359230i had an ocean house nightmare again 2 nights ago fuck this game
>>736363349>rejected and cursed by god>twice
>>736368318We've said it before and we'll say it again, art direction is more important than graphics. Crysis and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.>>736368568>t.
>>736367934Is downtown LA IRL just a few blocks of skyscrapers?
>there's an entire unreleased soundtrack to VTMB almost no one knows abouthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_eJoOzYb4Q>>736368892This is what Los Angeles looks like from the Griffith Observatory. Compare and contrast the two images at your leisure.
>>736359318You responded which means you care
>>736369276>That fucking smogI'm coughing over here just from looking at that.
>>736365434God they massacred her in Bloodlines 2. I can't find my stupid Godfather meme image in my folder, so use your imagination.
>>736371567There's an old joke.>"What happens when you clean up the air pollution in California? UCLA!"
>>736371832>pic related is too edgy for modern era gamesThis is why Bloodlines 2 never stood a chance.
>>736372038If you've never done a female playthrough, you should try it. It almost feels like parody with how hard they lean into it.
>>736367694Caine, I'm sorry, Capaneus over there looks like he owns a plantation.
>>736368892YesIt's in Asia where they go on for miles
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>>736366160>What was it likedI lived a 10 minywalk from skid row. It hasn't changed a bit
>>736372729Glad that isn't a masquerade violation!
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I want to make one of those text games or a visual novel set in VtM, give me some tips bros
>>736373135>I want to make one of those text games or a visual novel set in VtM, give me some tips bros
little worried how much of slog the end of hollywood and chinatown will behttps://youtu.be/HiSWsSA4grQ
>>736359230The closest you'll get is a tabletop with a similar setting or a larp in your area. There's nothing to scratch this particular itch in games.
>>736373264I'm not sure which of these will come out first, BAEO or RTX.
>>736373549>BAEOwhats that?
>>736369276It's baffling how many phenomenal tracks were left out of the finished game. It's one of the main reasons I recommend people play with the "Plus" version of the Unofficial Patch, since it adds back a lot of otherwise unused songs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwazAGUJ2c0&list=OLAK5uy_mX3HMP5fHkVgvxaCVupmgbstKJzJ8V6EY&index=19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCdOlcPY4P0&list=OLAK5uy_mX3HMP5fHkVgvxaCVupmgbstKJzJ8V6EY&index=20
My favourite section of the game is that theatre. So good.
>>736373226Not sure I understand...
>>736359230Vampires actually run the world and shut it down
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>>736373976My favourite section in the whole game is the basement of the sex shop. I'd spend so much time just hanging out there.
>>736373976Chinatown is underrated. It's got more dead space than other areas just because it was clearly made last and as a result is somewhat rushed, but the ambience is excellent. Also has some great quests. Being Mr. Ox's gofer was great.
>grew up in LAwhy did OP feel the need to tell everyone he is a faggot? it's such a weird way to come out of the closet
I wish there were more vtm/wod games. All we have outside floplines 2 are text games and visual novels.>>736373264Hollywood's the real slog, but Chinatown can be done in less than an hour with a good build.>>736372183I got rejected in my last run because appearance was a dump stat for me, kek.
>>736374776>All we have outside floplines 2 are text games and visual novelsJulia deserves her own action RPG
>>736374776>>736374835Until they give me, Ideas Guy, the power and finances to lead a game development studio, you'll never get the vidya of your dreams. Fortunately for me, Ideas Guy, I can just imagine the game and experience how fucking awesome it is.
>>736372869How is that possible? Here in NYC the Bowery is so gentrified that the only homeless shelter remaining is one that owns their building and makes a ton of money renting the rest out. Did LA somehow avoid gentrification?
>>736359230>grows up in los angelesmy condolences
There are so many graphical, texture, and lighting updates for VTMB, and I simply don't care about any of them. Game looks good as-is. Simple ass.
>>736372729>that instant hooker faceplant lol
>>736359230Much like Total War Warhammer, this game is a snapshot of a version of the game that no longer exists at its peak.
>>736379034Dawn of War: Dark Crusade for me.
>>736372509SOVL
>>736374327Also has the best hub theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQIBT-a6jog
Are you guys excited for the total conversion mod that recreates VtM: Redemption in Skyrim’s engine?https://youtu.be/z-0DA42c1-o?si=M5o0nvMQ6Di2RUmY
>>736382695>remake game in a worse enginebold choice
>>736372869A people so drugged out that no matter what you did it wouldn't violate the masquerade
