Is Sonic the most fumbled franchise ever? Hasn’t had a relevant game in decades: movies sucked, TV shows suckedYet it still has a loyal following
>>736363202>Is Sonic the most fumbled franchise ever?no that's halo
>>736363202Eh, at least Sonic is still popular unlike a myriad other iconic retro video game characters.
>>736363202Probably, in that it went from insanely popular to a weird niche specifically because it got so horrible. It's still a moneymaker for Sega and there have been plenty of good Sonic games over the last like 30 years, but it'll never be as popular as it was in the mid '90's.
>>736363202Dragon age beats it, so does star fox. Sonic have enough decent stuff to be above average.
i wish sonic fans would stop buying new sonic games if theyre so bad. this would stop sega from creating more sonic games in the future which is for the best because every 3d sonic game post adv2 are all awful and shouldve never been made
>>736363392fpbp (unfortunately)
>>736364394>every 3d sonic game post adv2 are all awfulAnd Adventure 2 is horrible any time you aren't doing a speed stage, which is most of the time.
>>736363202Sonic is a winner because becoming the unpopular kid peeled off, and Sega just kept going and trying different things. It's one of the most versatile 3D Mascot series because every game is so different from the former, because they always chased industry trends, but they never lost the fundamentals of Sonic running through boost pads and jump panels, and rail-grinding. And small wins led to big gains and semi-popularity again, after moments like Sonic Generations, and then Frontiers. The movies sold super well, and are actually not complete dogshit.And the best games are awesome. Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. 3 & K. Sonic Rush. Sonic Mania, and Colors. Shadow Generations was fun. And at its worst, games like 06 are super interesting because they clearly tried to make a real AAA game with Sonic, where there's a cinematic narrative, set-piece moments in some of the levels, and gamer aesthetics, kinda like going from NES to Xbox Ninja Gaiden.They're not consistently good like Mario, but Sonic games are interesting in whatever the characters are up to in each game IMO.
>>736364552also one of the reasons why the Sonic Fanbase are always bitching about something, every Sonic fan fell in love with the franchise because one experimental game and unless Sonic Team makes a 1 for 1 copy of it they're going to bitch about it.
>>736364872They're usually bitching because a game is bad. Crossworlds is a special case where it's so close to Sonic Riders, people wonder why they didn't just make a new Riders. People generally fell in love with a fun Sonic platformer, so the expectation is a new fun Sonic platformer.
>>736366176SEGA execs are insane, they weren't happy with Crossworld's performance so if Sonic Team actually decided to make a Riders game instead they would probably downright announce EOS a week after release as Riders is a more niche title.
>>736366417Their inept attempts to get infinite money are insane, sure. Still, I wouldn't care about a new Riders game getting EOS'd as long as the final version was fun.
>>736363202>Halo going from revolutionary hype beast to complete dogshit>Constant CPR on Megaman despite all the right answers being right there>Sissyfication of GoW, I can't doubt the new games are successful but old GoW and nu GoW are two different games>Star Fox in general>Assassin's Creed post Black FlagThere are plenty of series that saw higher highs and lower lows. Sonic was able to bounce back enough after 06 to still have some degree of respect, but they for sure aren't reaching the pinnacle they did before.
>>736363416Yeah, Sonic is only fumbled if you compare him to Mario. Pretty much any other mascot platformer died off or fell into coma in the 00's and only now we're seeing a slight revival on some of them, mostly powered by remakes.
>>736363202Most franchises are abysmal right now. Sonic might have been suffering for longer than most, but he's at least able to keep eyes on him whenever there's a new announcement.
>>736363202Even if you don’t like the movies, comics, tv shows or whatever it’s steady content. Sonic isn’t one of those series where there’s a half-decade long drought where nothing comes out.
>>736366176>Crossworlds is a special case where it's so close to Sonic Riders, people wonder why they didn't just make a new RidersCrossWorlds is a really good game(I can promise you I'm not a shill, I didn't buy the game because of spongebob) but it is nothing like Riders
For some reason people here have a tendency to forget whenever Sonic has a good game and sweep it under the rug. Shadow Generations was the last mainline game and virtually everybody liked it.
>>736370420>it is nothing like RidersThe racing game with Sonic on an Extreme Gear next to Jet, Wave and Storm also on Extreme Gears is nothing like Riders?
>>736370583nta but he's talking about gameplay, Riders gameplay is way less accessible than Crossworlds.
>>736370540Shadow Gens was good but didn't set a new standard for Sonic games to follow, people are still talking about what comes after Frontiers in terms of game design
>>736363202Upon replaying most sonic games, i come to understand and appreciate them. Really most issues with it are either skill issue or just first time things. Once you know the game, they are pretty much a blast to play. For instance i've been enjoy unleashe recomp a lot.
>>736363202>movies suckedFuck you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NucG0kD3pkg
>>736371005unleashed has a good game inside of it thanks to the recomp and mods. I can enjoy it now but also 100% agree with all the reviews at the time. If I had to play werehog at 20fps sub-720p with the music blaring and those strict medal requirements,I would hate the game too.
>>736363202>Hasn’t had a relevant game in decades: movies sucked, TV shows suckedEvery SEGA franchise ever
>>736370847It set a new standard by proving it's fun to just have linear platforming stages with a variety of movement abilities. It's not new in that many people only bought it for the port of Sonic Generations, but future Sonic games can still take a lot from Shadow Generations design.
>>736370847I think people are mostly pleased with the nu-boost physics in shadows game. Slower but with far more control and less reliance on scripting to make certain sections work.What everybody wants to know is if sonic team has a clue what the game should play like in between action stages.
>>736363202>Hasn’t had a relevant game in decadesLol whatSonic is one of the biggest franchises in the world
>>736363392This
there are only so many ways you can make a game about a blue nigga that runs fastthere's nothing wrong with the franchise it just ran out of ideas
>>736363202No? Sonic Superstars was mediocre but outside of that they've been doing pretty alright. Consider how many huge franchises are just dead right now, Infamous, Gears of War, Resistance, Uncharted, Jax and Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Need for Speed, Halo, Rayman, Megaman, Medal of Honor, Motorstorm, etc.Sonic isn't even the most fumbled franchise on Sega
>>736373471that would be pso
>>736370583>>736370623This, Riders has some complex mechanics like air management (works as boost fuel). Crossworlds is just Transformed 2.
>>736373652After careful consideration, I believe you're right
>>736363202This can be said for any almost any old time series now, when enough old staff leave the company that's it. It also goes down hill when there's too many people being hired, all of them trying to fit their own ideas into a game and at it's worst they insert their political ideology into it. The smaller the team working on a series of games the better.
>>736373737It's particularly insane that that the new Sonic racing game doesn't have the vehicle transform after Transformed and the hoverboards don't work like Riders. The game is fun as-is, but I understand fans of the other ones getting mad every time it stops just short of something they did.
>>736363202do you guys think the reason why sonic is still relevant is because he design is timelessly well done n memorable? or its because chris chan has casted a spell on him
>>736363202the movies made a billion dollars
>>736375575kek
