Once you learn about Elden Ring's cut content you'll never stop wanting to beath Miyazaki and Bandai Namco to death with your bare hands.
>>736371565Yeah the 150 hours of the game and dlc really suffered without a 10 second clip of marika planting a tree we find later.
>>736371565Details, please
>>736371740fippity bippity
>>736371565>beathgood morning lore sir
>>736371565retard
>>736371565>wanting to beathgo wipe your ass jeet
>>736371565Dark Souls 3's
>>736371565Is that Olga?
>>736372090we could have had post apocalypse kino instead we got ds1 memberries
>>736371565yeha it's cool but we already know that the haligtree was planted by miquella and watered with his cursed blood, it's all in the game
>>736371869t b h leddit is full of söys saying shit like this with any game attached
>>736372090>>736372171Is the Cinders overhaul mod any good>>736371565From decided to cut many involved story quests and scenes because they want you to sandbox and headcanon your own story for the most part, it's like a tabletop RPG package for you to play around with. Basically it all clicked in my head once I imagined Miyazaki's games as an extension of shit like King's Field and even older dungeon crawlers.
>>736372432>they want you to sandbox and headcanon your own story for the most partNo they want wikis and youtube essays to prolong the games discussion life cycleThe ringed finger was originally stated in its description to be rykards but post release fromsloppytoppy changed it to hint at some stupid bullshitYou are literally paying fromslop to make worse games and worse stories so they can do it even more later
>>736372819>worse gamesThat does not affect gameplay whatsoever
>>736371805https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSUR7sVi7DU
Bayle is mohg
>"lore"don't care
>>736372903If fromslop didnt make the story terrible you wouldn't need to ride across hours worth of empty space fighting literal whos that have illogical backstories and idiotic plansIn other words if fromslop cared about making a good story they'd make good games too
>>736371565I hate this DLC so much it's unreal.They butchered in a way that I thought was not even possible.
>>736373597>death dlc with gravestones and spirits everywhere>uhhhh lol its not about death its uhhhh about miquellas thirst for bro cock
>>736371565Not really, there's bigger issues with Elden Ring besides some shitty cutscenes. But it's still a good game after all is said and done. And that cutscene doesn't change the timeline. >>735396567Elden Ring still takes place between King's Field 3 and Dark Souls 1.
>>736373597miquella was always a griffith like character, the interesting thing is that the miniature haligtree looks like a Bewitching Branch, does that mean that his tree and its dew can also charm people?
>>736372819>worse games and worse storiesThe overarching story of FromSoftware is kino. Elden Ring takes place near the tailend of the golden age of gods. And as far as gameplay is concerned, Elden Ring to AC6 was a massive leap in quality
>>736373885>miquella was always a griffith like character
>>736374004fuck off leda
>>736373885They reused this cutscene to make this fucking attrocious "vow" piece of shit narrative, this whole shit is repulsive and disgusting, Elden Ring could have been the greatest game of all time if not for this sloven "DLC".
>>736373885the tree is his own giant 5G tower
>>736373597It's not from the DLC
>>736373689ThisAll the good parts of the dlc have nothing to do with Mike
>>736374232I know, this looks too good and interesting, instead we got the same cutscene, salvaged and butchered with this fucking "vow" radahn vow vow radhan consort vow consort vow part of the vow radhan consort promise vow.
>>736371565imagine if the maidenless tarnished could choose between multiple different maidens, each from a different faction and offering different questsimagine sitting down at the grace and talking to your maiden of choice, getting lore dumps appropriate to each areaimagine if you could chose between different empyreans etc.fighting different factions, infiltrating different legacy dungeons, etc.really good lore for cool systemic gameplay variationbut whatever. I can just pretend I choose melina and ranni every time and never play through the other quest lines because they're my waifus
>>736371565>cut contentMiquella's foreskin?
>>736371565shit makes no sense with or without this cutscene
>>736371740kek this, every time with souls fans
>>736371565>Model has existed for agesGood to know both Radahn AND Miquella were recycled content for SotE. What a shitshow of a DLC.
>>736374363kek buttbroken tranny assblasted for a decade
>>736373597>>736373689Same>Death land focused expansion>Godwyn, the prince of death not part of it in any way>The plot point of Godwyn literally corrupting the entire world from the inside in not elaborated on whatsoever>Miquella doesn't even get his own boss fight>All we get is super saiyan Radahn with 2/3 the same moveset as the base game>Also Radahn is gay for little boy cockRetarded fucking dlcGRRM needs to be butchered squealing like a pig
>>736374671They even repurposed this very cutscene and only changed the hand animations and map
Today i will remind anons of the truth
>>736371740>150 hours do journalists really
>>736373197That's a nice scene and it's a shame it was removed, but it doesn't make me want to brutally murder the guy who directed some of my favorite games.Was anything else cut?
>>736375409My 1 playthrough took 400 hours, I 100% everything and did a lot of - as smurf as possible -invading though.
>>736375375kekI forgot I made thisThe cope levels on /v/ that week were mental, this was compiled from just a couple of threads iirc
>>736375620https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Unused_Content
>>736375003GRRM had nothing to do with the DLC and Miyazaki already did the gay brothers thing before with Lothric and Lorian, gaydahn was 100% his doing
>>736375910And nothings changed. Even after all this time they still refuse to admit they got scammed my miyazaki lmao
>>736372090i'll never stop being mad
>>736375003The blood harmonia boss in nightreign is basically thr miquella fight
I'm just angry they didn't give us a new ending. $40 warranted a new ending for fucks sake
Cainhurst got shafted hard
>>736372432If this is their philosophy we lost two of the most kino questlines in Souls history, Kale's dream and frenzy quest, and the Mimic tier quest.
>>736375409The average playtime for steam reviewers is 186.5 hours
>>736375409My first playthrough took me around that, once you added the DLC.
Reminder that the dlc was supposed to be about miquella reviving Godwyn. Here is how the dlc story was originally envisioned.>miquellas fucked off to revive godwyn >he needs some mystical death stuff in the death lands>the death lands have the remains of the gloam eyed queens kingdom >enir ilim was her capital city and from the divine gate the godskins would enter on flesh umbilicals to hunt the gods and bring her their flesh >miquella would need the divine gate so you needed to push through enir ilim and therefore the main story focus>learn some lore about metyr and how the gloam eye was an empyrean >meet mohg again but hes reforming into the dragonlord mohgwyn(bayle) who will be the first dragonlord of the new miquella godwyn dynasty thereby completing mohgs vision >tarnished murderhobos godwyn and miquella after miquella revives godwyn because reasons >the sunflower is Godwyns first phase and his first phase arena
>>736377739that's just your fanfic
>>736377739>Sunflower was going to be final boss!glad you didn't make the game
>>736371565Miquella's feet! Boy feet! Cute, effeminate soles! Such a pristine boy, an absolute example of boyish charm. Soft, yet white as porcelain.
>>736377739>mohg is Baylesure thing bro
>>736378056>the poster in question
>>736375409I have some friends like you who always beat games in like half my timeTurns out it's because they literally skip 90% of side content, they just go from objective to objective like NPCs while I 100% every little thing possible
>>736371565>>736373197That is way better.>>736373597I stand by the rollslop insult finally got to them so they changed up combat to something drastically inferior. So much trading hits.
>>736378150Kek
No clue why people get so buttmad at the DLC for being woke when it's about a gay crybully who hangs out with the broken and diseased in order to manipulate them
>>736371740Nigger I finished the entire piece of shit game with every zone and every fuckass dogshit wooden dog dungeon in 40h how bad are you
>>736372432Except the endingThe ending to the DLC NEEDS to be fucking dogshit without even a cutscene you don't get it bro
>>736378456post it then
>>736378456>I finished the entire piece of shit game with every zone and every fuckass dogshit wooden dog dungeon in 40hno you didnt. lol
>>736371565Did they have an actual ending for the Millicent quest? Because what we got in the game was a flagrant horseshit cop out
>>736373597It's genuinely the worst DLC I have ever played
>>736375375I had a fucking field day with thisI was laughing for hours at the levels of cope
>>736378056Tragic, another brainwashed victim of Miquella. Send him to deprogramming.
>>736378576love my wife millicentshe did nothing wrongbless her
>>736372432>they want you to sandbox and headcanon your own story for the most part,That's Enshittification, the removal of features - in this case half of the fucking PLOT - while keeping the price the same, or even raising it. Fuck them, Miyaslopi specifically, for proliferating this degenerate dogshit cancer, and fuck you for defending it.
>>736377739>>the death lands have the remains of the gloam eyed queens kingdom >>enir ilim was her capital city and from the divine gate the godskins would enter on flesh umbilicals to hunt the gods and bring her their fleshNo, Hornsent and their Babylonian inspiration is too on-point for godskin wanking. Your fanfic is gay.
>>736378553I have played 2 more multiplayer playthroughs since
>>736378576she was mean to be an amnesiac malenia
>>736372273>Playing Black Souls while the wife gets BLACKED!
>>736378224on the contrary, NPCs are the ones mindlessly consuming every bit of a game, even if it's tedious or time-consuming, just because they need to do it
>>736378904The "wife" would be a tranny in this case, other than that you're entirely correct.
>>736378904Black Souls? More like
>>736373575Cancer. You will be dead soon and everyone who's ever had the misfortune of meeting you will be annoyed that it didn't happen even sooner.
>>736379284I love my wife.
>>736373885I hate berserktards like you wouldn't believe
>>736373885Stop this faggotry immediately. Stop writing stories for the game that Miyaslopi was either too lazy or too stupid to put a complete story in. Have some fucking standards or the rest of us are going to end up paying restaurants to cook food for them you degenerate little shit.
>>736379027>umm, you're basically an NPC if you play video gamesaverage /v/ user
>>736379601
>>736378823That's makes absolutely perfect sense, and is so much better than the pile of shit we got. Both for Millicent (i kill muhself now lolz) and Malenia, who woke up for no reason, spouted some Zanzibart Forgive Me tripe, and immediately tried to kill me, despite the fact she should be more concerned about her brothers, whose whereabouts I could have told her, FOR NO RAISIN. No raisin other than Miyaslopi is too lazy and head up ass to make a video game correctly.
>>736371565>Once you learn about Elden Ring's cut contentIt's the same for every Soulsborne game. You shouldn't get too invested in a story that's barely there and changed around last minute. And for gameplay they often take ideas that just didn't work back then and put them into the next game.
>>736378576>rejects fate>5 seconds later>actually fate is good because im written by Japanese people *dies*
>>736373574Bale moghs Placidusax
>>736379642sorry but you're an NPC anon
>>736381130TRUKE
Ask an Elden Ring loretard what even is the Elden Ring and why Marika shattered it and watch a bunch of retarded morons argue over absolute schizophrenic headcanons made up by retarded youtubers like Vaati.The dumbest fanbase in entire industry. The game literally has no story or lore. It's all just retarded bullshit banded together from cut content, rewrites and bad translation.
Messmer is literally me (i hate my mom)
>>736371869he didn't have to tell me his balls didn't work having a ribbit account is proof of that
>>736380208They literally rewrote shit in a Day One patch and changed major bosses locations.It's the funniest when you have some retard jizzing over Malenia's boss OST saying how it fits her without him realizing it was Margit's theme before the first patch.Or how some retarded Fromdrone trannies defended the shitty unfinished quests, unironically going "Miyazaki shows you how some things just end abruptly without answer" only for them to go quiet after they patched in the proper endings to those quests lmao.
>>736376950Hear me out on this theory regarding Bloodborne's cut content>Final release has Cainhurst be a side plot, with the vilebloods being massacred by the church to curtail their strength and stop a child of blood from being born>Even though it was a scholar from Byrgenwerth that brought them Old One blood in the first place(Everyone thinks it was Laurence)>The DLC(From tends to reuse/retread/reimagine their cut content a lot when making new stuff) revealed Byrgenwerth massacred some place and tore an (alien) baby from his (alien) mother's womb so they can gather knowledge and beckon the moon>It is stablished that the doll was inspired by Lady Maria, Gerhman's apprentice who he was obsessed with.Now here's the interesting part>In the 1.0 release without the day 1 patch, the Abandoned Workshop Third Umbilical Cord says it came from a successfully conceived child of the vilebloods, contradicting the final release vileblood plotline>Cut content revealed Annalise used to have the Doll's VA and possibly her face too>In the files, Logarius is the king of Cainhurst, not a member of the church>Maria was supposed to be an NPC you could talk to, with her boss fight being activated when she's killed in her chair, either by the player or Simon in the case the player takes too longHere's the kino:The Fishing Hamlet is what Cainhurst was supposed to be in terms of meaning and significance to the plot. Maria wasn't supposed to exist. Annalise was meant to be the doll's inspiration.Gerhman was the scholar who got into Cainhurst.
>>736381497can I date your sister and your mom?
>>736372432I enjoyed the Cinders mod when I played it years ago, but who knows what it's like now. I remember it being really frustrating trying to keep up with updates because the mod creator would add shit to the game just to see if he could, leave it glitchy and unfinished, and get distracted by something else in the update that followed. It's also a BIG fucking mod, so you can imagine what a pain it was to redownload it every couple of days just to fix some shit the previous version broke.But again, that was all years ago. i doubt he's updating it as frequently now and that was my only real complaint with it. I've seen similar overhaul mods for Elden Ring and such but I thought Cinders was the best of them.
the only patched quest was the jarburg one and it's irrelevant to the lore
>>736381828The game definitely supports Logarius not being fully aligned with the Executors itself, he's guarding Annalise and what would he be a martyr for? Also, why else would Alfred go crazy at the end of his questline?
>>736377739t. Vaati's headcanon
>>736371740Holy fpbp
>>736381669I know but I don't play Souls games for the stories. I didn't give a shit about Diallos but I wanted his loot.
>>736381482Elden Ring is the one singular case where we could get a lore bible of sorts if only GRRM released whatever he wrote for the game.
shota miquella...
>>736378456>bloody bitch benchod fuck dog saaar fuckikl
>>736381669On release the map you use to fast travel was wrong too, shit either wasnt there that should've been or was there that shouldn't have been. And i agree about the quests, redditpedos really do be like dat
>>736382024he's guarding her because since she's a descendant of queen yharnam she can't truly die, alfred goes mad because he became drunk with blood like most hunters do
>>736378790Its the babylonian gloam eye stitching all the skins together instead of language im sorry ur all lorelets
>>736381828The Vilebloods are direct descendants of the Pthumerians.
It's really saying something how much better Demons Souls plot is is compared to all the rest of the hacked together slop from all the other games.
>>736373592To me the worst atrocity is people thinking that the combat system is good. As a result the rollslop has leaked into tons of other licenses. I don't get how people don't realize the combat system was a one-off, and worked for Demon's Souls and Dark Souls because those games had a very specific design philosophy for the level design, enemy encounters etc. where that sort of combat system made sense. It is not good in a vacuum. It does not make sense in the context of a fully open world or sandbox game, either, and furthermore it is not fun.
>>736381669Outer wilds is dogshit
>>736378823Sauce? I know Malenia had some cut dialog indicating that she was a friendly NPC that you'd have to antagonize to fight, but I'm not aware of anything like that for Millicent.
>>736382338Elden ring is not dark souls, try actually using English next time and not LLM slop
>>736371565All they had to do is give Miquella's cut content the AotA treatment. Instead they made an abomination that is only really worth it for the new weapons. It's the first Souls DLC that isn't unanimously considered the peak in quality of its respective game.
>>736382338>Sekiro and Bloodborne are awesome, From trying different stuff with the formula>oh, Dark Souls 3 is...like that...>and so is Elden Ring...
>>736382338fuck off CAGfag
>>736382412Midra is a really good fight.
>>736382024NTA but Logarius clearly fell in love with Annalise and was protecting her. It's possible he is still the king, it's just not stated directly in the final story.
>>736382338truth, CAGs are real action games DeS/DaS are just Gone Home with 2 button combat and boss battles.
>>736382024She can't die so he keeps guard and that's his "martyrdom" even then it feels underdeveloped, the Alfred questline doesn't make any sense at all since the idiot thinks making living mincemeat out of her will settle the issue for good when she's literally immortal, then he immediately kills himself.
>>736382338t. Halitosis
>>736382417Sekiro and Bloodborne are exceptions. I will concede that. DS 2 & 3 are slop
>>736381482>divine object is not easy to understand
>>736381669>It's the funniest when you have some retard jizzing over Malenia's boss OST saying how it fits her without him realizing it was Margit's theme before the first patch.This isn't true. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vATpVh-sev8She has the same OST in v1.0 as in the day one patch.
>>736382586And I still like DkS3 and Elden Ring overall (more so Elden Ring) but this is the last direction I wanted them to go in 10 years ago. I was excited for them to try new stuff.
>>736381931Nepheli's quest, too.
>>736381669This did not happen. On launch margit had…his own theme. Malenia’s theme was always malenia’s theme. It plays a portion of her song in the original trailer when…malenia shows up. What DID happen is pre launch in thee network test you could fight margitc and it used malenia’s theme. It used the song the story trailer ended on
>>736377739>divine gate the godskins would enter on flesh umbilicals to hunt the godsThe gods fucking live in the same realm as everyone else. They are literally walking around the kingdom and you fight them.
>>736382268What does that have to do with the things i've said? Yeah they are and that's why byrgenwerth/church bothered with them. My point is that at some early draft of the story Byrgenwerth's curse and Gerhman's greatest regret could have been Cainhurst, Annalise and her child instead of the Hamlet, Kos and her orphan
>>736382338Elden Ring has a far more advanced combat system than Dark Souls and it has some of the best enemy and boss design out there right now.
>>736377487>208Did not
>>736382686The only thing that pisses me off is that every game and its mom uses DS mechanics now and I don't think the whole formula was ever THAT great to begin with. Good, and serviceable, but no so amazing that it should justify being featured in absolutely every action adventure RPG ever.
What's with the meme about Consort Radahn being the hardest boss ever? Sacred Black Knight shield makes it impossible for him to even take half a health bar off youIf you are making it difficult for yourself to beat him that's one thing but why cry then
>>736382845The type of fags who get filtered by Elden ring are exactly the type of retards who try to play it like dark souls. I’m not talking ash summons or ashes or war either. I’m talking 360 degree sprint while locked on instead of 2 way like in DaS, I’m talking 8 way roll, I’m talking guard counter, I’m talking universal stance breaks, I’m talking jumping. Mother fuckers scrubs still try circle strafing an enemy’s leg and are baffled when it doesn’t work
>>736378056Such wisdom...
>>736382970Most people did not go into that fight carrying a heavy shield with skyhigh endurance/spamming barricade shield. Yes, because of how the boss is designed, if you respec to a certain type of build he's not very hard but to the vast majority of playstyles that either used a shield only some of the time or not at all, he is very hard.
>>736377739>the sunflower is GodwynI've been saying this for a while.The way his head is drooped over sideways is just like godwyn's corpse, and also his lower body is beneath the waterand also he attacks with black thorns and holy magic
>>736375409150 hours isn't at all unreasonable for ER + DLC, I think my first vanilla playthrough without DLC was already like 140 hours. I only missed 3 things when I looked up stuff at the end.
The most inexplicable cut content in ER has to be the frenzy merchant clan questline.It was literally fully done with NPC triggers, voicelines, items etc. Most of it can be found put back together on youtube.And the writing is damn good. Kale's VA in particular acted their heart out.Baffling why they cut it.Maybe some ranni or marika tranny's at fromsoft were afraid the questline made the frenzy path too appealing compared to their waifu crap?
>>736383029Guard Counters + Stance Breaks on almost every boss is such a good system and I'm so happy that they added it to Elden Ring. It really allows the player a sense of control over the fight and a good power fantasy once you learn to work it all together.
>>736382842Maria is part of the Vilebloods line so indeed its possible Cainhurst played a bigger role originally.But my point is that it doesn't fundamentally change the lore since there is more than one way to reach the eldtritch truth. Pthumerian Ruins, the fishing village, royal bloodline, growing eyes inside, and whatever the Mensis school was doing. All path leads to god.
>>736383464Guard Counters are definitely the best thing they've done with shields in the franchise's history
>>736371565Why Miquella wanted to have his prostate crushed so much?
>>736383427The Frenzy quest and the Sleeping quest both seemed like they were really vital to setting up Frenzy and Miquella, definitely sad they were both cut.
>>736383427Probably wanted the frenzy stuff to be more rare and isolated.
People acting like this shows something dramatic and game changing are retarded. We KNOW that Miquella grew the Haligtree. We've known since the base game.
>>736378576She was supposed to be Malenia.
>>736383427It's because losing Kale as a merchant a third of the way into the game would be annoying>Maybe some ranni or marika tranny's at fromsoft were afraid the questline made the frenzy path too appealing Maybe you should actually pay attention the dialogue, because it just reinforces that the frenzied flame ending is nothing but hopeless self destructive nihilism.
>>736383427>https://youtu.be/0Cljs4UTdT8?t=716>dude does the best line reading in the entire game>lmao just cut it bro
>>736383574Born under a full moon or some shit
>>736382970>>736383262yeah. >use a weapon with piercing fang ash of war>equip the black knight shield>equip the pearl shield talisman (negates 95% of elemental chip damage)the fight becomes such a joke that you can sleep through it
>>736371740It would have been Marika's only appearance in the game, so yes.
>>736383701She IS Malenia, she and her sisters are basically clones of her, it's asexual reproduction.
>>736383710>It's because losing Kale as a merchant a third of the way into the game would be annoyingJust move his stock to another merchant. Souls games have a long tradition of killing off their merchants at the end of quests with no issue.
>>736381828I don't understand how almost every FromSoft game is a jumbled mess cobbled together at the last minute with shitloads of unfinished content, and yet every game is still amazing in their own right despite all the lost potential
>>736371565Wait until you learn thar the vast, vast majority of games go through development changes and end up having cut content.
>>736383427Cut because Miyazaki wanted it to be more vague and mysterious and he felt all of that explained too much
>>736383989Every story is born out of a thousand aborted ideas.
>>736383427No, Kale's questline was actually the most understandable why they removed it. It was about someone discovering how his ancestors were slaughtered after being deemed a lowly race and swears vengeance upon the world. An obvious metaphor for Jews and their turn towards violent Zionism to punish the goyim. This was too controversial to be included in a video game so they removed his quest and reworked existing NPCs like Yuria and Hyenna to have some new bullshit side quest involving the Frenzy Flame
>level 165 >all arena pvp is dead except for duel>always the same peoplethe player number is botted.
>>736383936Apparently this is the kind of development Miyazaki likes to do.
>disgusting tranny does it for freehi raped discordite
>>736383427Fromsoft have such inexplicable decision making so consistently I'm convinced they have some sort of crystal ball or pic rel passing literally random ideas and changes on to them which they're forced to obey by higher powers.>Give this boss a huge, undodgeable, instant-kill AoE>Lock the player out of Torrent for Elden Beast>The final boss of this DLC will be... Radahn againI really don't see any other explanation.
>>736384338They probably have a very chaotic and oppressive work environment, the games only turning out good by their sheer creative talent
>>736384198People that actually cared about PvP were always a fraction of the player base, like going back to the Dark Souls 2 arenas, the blue arena was notoriously low activity and the red arena had long queue times. People were mostly forced into PvP in these games in places like Darkwood Forest, Dark Souls 2 just forcing invasions in general at full human and Farron Keep. Elden Ring having comparatively lacking multiplayer support to the rest of the games in the series killed any chance for growth in what has always been a really small community. Anyway, the worst part about it is 99% of the players are faggots anyway, at any level bracket.
>>736384198>arena is deadJeez weird that people don't care to play sweaty infinite iframe rollslop pvp
Just because something was finished and it was good content doesnt mean it fit in with the rest of the game and didnt detract from the whole. But if you want to believe they cut the content as a goof then you can I guess.
>>736384198Only a small minority ever cared about pvp
>>736384087>his ancestors were slaughteredNever happened to the jews, though.
>>736384087>reworked existing NPCs like Yuria and HyennaThose literally only exist to further the jewish connection, what are you talking about?
>>736384427Chaotic, I bet. But given how much weird shit always makes it into these games, I doubt it is that dictatorial.
>>736383936They focus on the playable content and then don't leave enough time to properly connect it all narratively and sometimes, literally.So you get some great levels to play through or engaging boss fights but poor story telling and awkward progression.The only games to really avoid it that much were Demon's Souls and Sekiro and to a lesser extent, Dark Souls.Everything else got most of the designed core content out but couldn't fit it together correctly.Even when they had GRRM write the preamble for Elden Ring, they still fucked everything else up.
>>736384198ER somehow has the worst PvP they ever madeIt also has the worst co op they ever made because everyone lags like they are from zimbabwe
>>736384942We know they love to reuse assets so Miyazaki probably just encourages people fucking around with whatever they have on hand.
>>736373885His footsoldiers have kamikaze attacks at least.
>>736384989>ER somehow has the worst PvP they ever madeNo it fucking doesn't. DaS1 tranny
>>736373885Miquella is Jesus. The twist of the DLC is that you are the bad guy and you came there to kill him. Nothing about him is even remotely like Griffith.
>>736384885How so? And if they were, it still wouldn't justify leaving out the best side quest in the game
>>736371565>Once you learn about Elden Ring's cut content you'll never stop wanting to beath Miyazaki and Bandai Namco to death with your bare hands.Only Nora Kisaragi knows the truth..
>>736371565>beath
>>736385125Miquella is literally a blatant Satan analogue, there’s a reason he’s homosexual
>>736385349>Miquella is literally a blatant Satan analogue, How. Name one similarity.
>>736385020They reuse a lot of concepts as well, stuff about immortality being bad, people transforming into trees and dragons, the anri/ranni marriage parallels, the ruling class using religion to control the populace (healing church/the chosen undead, marika generally), subjugating giants, renalla is just rosaria 2, making a big deal about eclipses and then never actually integrating it into the narrative, time travel (aota, original ds2 plot, ds3 dlc, bloodborne kinda) and of course, the cute level up lady
>>736371869Over 50% of married men over 40yo have had a tranny-like genital mutilation surgery.
>literal prepare to die edition very muchos hardos game genre >fanbase really thinks the game has proper story and make up fanfic tier lore
>>736385125Miquella is homosexual and just like homosexuality it will never create anything, it will always amount to at most promises and then failure.
>>736385552You’re a faggot and will burn in hell
>>736386171>Miquella is homosexualNo he isn't. Can't feel romantic love and doesn't have a physical body. The actual devil in elden ring, Mohg, is actually gay, by contrast.>>736386194You're the evil one and you will get the end you deserve
>>736375375and then the turnaround once it was revealed to be reali'll never forget it lmao
>>736385145>How so?>>Honor-bound knight of an antiquated culture (((returns))) as a (((vessel))) to attempt to dissuade (you) into breaking fate and unknowingly ending the world>>Weak and frail girl "dies" a terrible death and is (((possessed))) by a (((spirit))) who coaxes (you) into feeding her the eyes of the dead so she can (((see))) her (((fate))) and also to spite her dad for being a knight who goes against the sub-humansMaybe I'm looking too deep into this, but it somewhat makes sense, to me.>And if they were, it still wouldn't justify leaving out the best side quest in the gameTrue, which is why I don't understand them leaving out the only part of the story that would make you somewhat understand where the frenzied flame'd are coming from, because every other case of it happening makes you doubt the validity of their ideals.
>>736375375>>736386389The leaked fight had unfinished visuals
>>736381669>Malenia's boss OST [...] was Margit's theme before the first patchan early version of malenia's theme was used for margit in the network test
>>736382962It's not Fromsoft's fault that retards ape them badly.
>>736387646It is Fromsoft's fault when they copy themselves lazily though.
>>736382970I don't want to beat him with a sacred black knight shield an pearlshield talisman and barricade shield and poking with a blood greatspear, I want to use the build I've optimized over 150 hours.Now, it's normal that some bosses are easier than others depending on the build, but Consort Radhan has WAY too much variance.
>>736375003>Also Radahn is gay for little boy cockHe is being hypnotized
>>736371565The worst instances are >Demon's Souls ice level being unfinished and cut>Lost Izalith being the Great Swamp constantly referenced in every Souls game, but was turned into some shitty lava level at the last second>DS2 pretty much in its entirety is cobbled mess>Maria's cut questline in Bloodborne where you could have Simon kill her>Ebreitas was actually Kos, they changed the name at the last minute and made a new Kos in the DLC>Oceiros was holding a baby in his fight but they cut the baby while keeping its cries, lorefags claim it was some interdimensional baby or something when it was just censorship>DS3 flying serpents from DS1 removed>Mimic Tear questline in Elden Ring being cut>Kale's questline in Elden Ring being cut
>>736387919>but Consort Radhan has WAY too much variance.No he doesn't. He's a very generic boss in fact. About the only strategy that's not going to work against him is like, pest thread spam, and that goes for any boss that isn't giant.
>>736387693When you get something right, don't change it.Developers always get struck with this innovation disease where they think that changing stuff makes for a better sequel on its face. They're always wrong. Double down on what made your game good every time.What did Elden Ring change from earlier titles beyond the world design?It buffed the player's side of the combat system a ton. And that was basically all that was necessary.
>>736383486Seehttps://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2021/04/the-land-of-dragon.htmlThe big twist of the game was originally Cainhurst, a big ass Dracula castle behind Yharnam. Bloodborne was supposed to be just as much Castlevania as it is Lovecraft.
>>736388070I don't blame them for playing it safe, I just think they've usually done their best work experimenting. You're right that what they did do was effective enough, Elden Ring is a very successful game after all.
>>736388268My perspective is that game design is basically magic and almost no one can intentionally make a good game from scratch completely by logical decision making and instead you're balancing luck and and inspiration and skill to a point that the outcome is almost unknown before release.So once you have a good system, don't mess with it because you'll almost certainly make it worse.
crucible fun word that i never used before playing thiscrucible crucible
>>736372432>Is the Cinders overhaul mod any goodno, if you want a decent overhaul play Convergence instead or wait for Archthrones
>>736382338>To me the worst atrocity is people thinking that the combat system is good.It is good you retarded fucking tranny teenager. "Slop", only the dumbest motherfuckers use that word, in any context.
>>736388030>Maria's cut questline in Bloodborne where you could have Simon kill herWhich is possibly what they wanted to do with Annalise, and no i'm not talking about both sitting in chair, i'm talking about both sitting in a chair and their questlines having them be killed by some other guy(Alfred and Simon). Sorry i'm just not sure whether i've made my point clear with >>736381828
>>736388795How did the Crucible end up making more sense by the end of the game than literally everything else?It was like, the only relatively consistent part of the lore besides the Shattering
>>736389327Everything in the game makes sense, you're just retarded
>Martin creates a cool setting for them>they remove 90% of lore from the gamedisgusting
>>736389382Martin wrote down a few names on the back of an envelope. He's so fucking stupid he thinks the shattering happened 5 thousand years before the game began.
>>736378285>finallynobody was saying rollslop at the time the dlc was being made, and the likelihood any fromsoft devs read 4chan, let alone anybody important, is vanishingly small.
>>736377739>source: your bussy
>>736389378It did until the shitty DLC I'll give you that.
>>736371565Its crazy how this game completely mind broke so many mouth breathers on 4chan that they still have pity parties about it years later.
>>736378570It's not even physicaly possibe. Simply traveling between all the places has you spending 40 hours on the goat donkey.
>>736389710Wrong, the DLC is great and is entirely consistent with the base game, although it did explain a couple of details in a way I don't particularly like from a narrative perspective (such as definitely proving that Melina is just another wayward child of Marika rather than a cast off part of her own self, and explicitly tying finger creepers to the two fingers)
>>736373597>enormous empty landscapes with barely anything in them but 3 reskinned dragons and a few other base game enemies>terrible enemy variety given the sheer size of the map>everything but a few bosses feels half assed, almost like a mod>everything related to miquella is by far the worst part of dlc's story, Marika and Messmer are by far the best things about itI still can't believe they released something so half assed
>>736389484Weird, i am under the impression he probably wrote a way more living and breathing setting full of active players and Fromsoft made it a rather static ruined land so the player can shine. Never read/watched asoiaf btw.
>>736371565I wanted to beat Miyazaki to death with my bare hands ever since playing the DLC that has some of the most glaring continuity errors in any story I've ever suffered through and realizing how fucking retarded Miyazaki truly thinks I am.
>>736371565The DLC was pure dogshit. But mostly because it was just more of Elden Dogshit Ring in the first place. Can't wait to get more openworld slop from fromsoft where half the runtime is running around on goat.
>>736389930>everything related to miquella is by far the worst part of dlc's story,You don't understand the story. Also Messmer kinda sucks. There's an ember of something good there regarding him consciously accepting the doomed nature of his quest during the boss fight, but nothing else about his life or position in the world is so miserable to warrant the amount of brooding he does or abject hostility he has for the player. It's hard to feel bad for a guy who has Carian tomboy pussy on tap and would rather just hang out along in his giant murder castle pretending to be a victim.
>>736375409I have over 300 hrs in er, fuck off zoometteGoogling a yt build to beat it quickly is so antithesis to how you should play it's grossWe need more gatekeeping and bullying
>>736390042>i am under the impression he probably wrote a way more living and breathing settingHe didn't. He wrote a very basic skeleton and named the main characters and that was about it. Which is a good thing because he's not a good writer>Never read/watched asoiaf btw.Don't bother
>>736388795So now that all dew has settledThe crucible was just the original one great big tree and Marika felled it
>>736390354The previous big tree. Could be the first but probably wasn't.
>>736390042>Never read/watched asoiaf btw.there are some pretty blatant parallels
>>736390354Did it fall or did the elden ring just subsume it? There's a tree under the golden facade.
>>736390135GRRM's main talent as a writer is his ability to write compelling characters. Nobody really gives a shit about the lore of ASOIAF, but what they do give a shit about is Ned Stark, Tyrion Lannister, and all the characters around them. Characters are Miyazaki's most obvious weak spot, and they suffer from all the same weakness in ER that they do in every other game Miyazaki has ever touched. And it was Miyazaki's choice to slap GRRM's name all over the promotional material and ultimately deliver nothing that resembled his work.
>>736390538Marika probably just cultured the crucible into the current erdtree yes. Although the crucible was itself grown and possibly intentionally shaped using the elden ring.
>>736386340>Mohg, is actually gayHe was charmed (mind controlled) by Miquella, which means it was what Miquella wanted, Mohg isn't the gay one, you fag defending faggot.
>>736390571>GRRM's main talent as a writer is his ability to write compelling characters.He writes a bunch of gay retarded assholes. Game of thrones sucks.
>>736383936Except Armored Core 6 is a completely coherent game with well developed characters all built on top of a perfectly functional combat system. It's so well developed that the game has three endings, each one more developed than all the endings of Elden Ring put together, with different boss fights and different characters living and different characters dying and different aspects of them revealed in each. The difference, is that game was directed by Yamamura.The reason why Souls games feel like cheaply cobbled together horseshit is Miyazaki.
>>736390757And yet Miyazaki is so enamored with him he sought him out to write the lore for his game and put his name on the very first trailer for said game.
>>736390462most of these aren't much of parallels at all
>>736391174It was a shallow marketing gimmick
>>736389327Crucible->Erdtree stuff is a bit fucky and when exactly the Crucible appeared on the planet is also debated a lot. Like I take the perspective that the Crucible was the primordial soup of life on Earth and the Greater Will broke it up into all the distinct species and races that cover the planet (this is based on interpreting the One Great in Hyetta's dialog as referring to the Crucible). But I've seen others argue that it was created by the Greater Will by itself or wasn't the origin of life but just a local supernatural event in the area.
>>736389923>DLC is great and is entirely consistent with the base gameWhy was Melania just hanging out in the Haligtree waiting for Miquella's return instead of killing Mohg, when she knew Mohg needed to die for her brother to enter the shadow realm? Why did Miquella forget about giving Godwyn a true death after the stars were no longer in stasis? Why were none of Miquella's followers at the Radahn festival when they knew Radahn needed to die? Why did Ranni do a black magic murder ritual and trigger the shattering war to abandon her flesh and great rune when she could have just left some emo crosses around the world instead?
>>736375620Look up the full Asimi quest line, that was cool. Don't know why it was cut since it was completed.
>>736390042Nah, if you check the game's cut content, basically every character changed roles at least once, in some way. Did you know that Godfrey and Horoah Loux weren't even the same character, that Horoah Loux was the name of Goldmask? Or that Radahn was the one that hunted the Fire Giants in one version of the game? That Radagon was some type of mad scientist that was creating chimeras by experimenting with the Crucible? That Empyrean was actually also a racial identifier for the Nox (and later Hornsent), rather than just referring to the chosen Demigods who could become Gods? That Morgott was actually the full on Elden Lord?Basically they were doing the plot on the fly and constantly were rewriting people, concepts, and everything else. Whatever GRRM came up with, it was either shallow or abandoned early on and they just played it by ear constantly.
>>736391370>Mohg needed to die for her brother to enter the shadow realm?She didn't know Mohg kidnapped him nor where he was>Why did Miquella forget about giving Godwyn a true death after the stars were no longer in stasis?He never worked on that. The sword is just an anniversary burial gift.>Why were none of Miquella's followers at the Radahn festival when they knew Radahn needed to die?They were getting ready for when he would die.>Why did Ranni do a black magic murder ritual and trigger the shattering war to abandon her flesh and great rune when she could have just left some emo crosses around the world instead?Because she didn't want to become a personality-less husk. That was Marika's ruin.
>>736371740but that isn't marika? It's miquella
>>736392227You're still alive?
>>736388869>ArchthronesAnon... I...
>>736391370>Why was Melania just hanging out in the Haligtree waiting for Miquella's return instead of killing MohgShe didn't know that Mohg had kidnapped Miquella and was rendered in a coma after blooming against Radahn>when she knew Mohg needed to die for her brother to enter the shadow realm?She didn't know that. In fact she thought Miquella was already in the shadow realm, and we don't know she was wrong. WE needed to kill Mohg to access the land of shadow, but we have a physical body and shit>Why did Miquella forget about giving Godwyn a true death after the stars were no longer in stasis? He didn't forget. He tried and failed. His power was insufficient. That's one of many reasons why he decided to go for apotheosis>Why were none of Miquella's followers at the Radahn festival when they knew Radahn needed to die?They didn't know. >Why did Ranni do a black magic murder ritual and trigger the shattering war to abandon her flesh and great rune when she could have just left some emo crosses around the world instead?Because she didn't JUST want to fake her own death, she wanted to get back at Marika for stealing Ranni's dad from Rennala (Ranni doesn't know they're the same person) by murdering her son.
>>736392642He failed because the stars were locked so there could be no eclipse. The stars were no longer locked. He could have an eclipse now.
>>736391080AC6's third ending could have used a bit more time in the oven, i think. The ambiguity of what Coral Release is the point, yes. But for the coral focused route i think there's still way too much ambiguity over what the Coral IS. Alien race? Energy waves with subsumed human minds? Is Ayre and other coral wave mutations the only sentient Coral or just the ones who are evolved enough to communicate with humans?The first two routes are extremely good and well written, i agree.
>>736375375I thought it was fake, the og footage was glitchy/played on laggy potato. But the end result is also just a shitty Radahn model with spammed flashy animations. should've been Godwyn Death Dragon
>>736375375As someone who legitimately thought the leak was fake at the time, finding out that Miyazaki would in fact stoop to this level of slop fanservice was enough for me to lose interest in anything he made going forward.
>>736392945Speculation. We have no idea if Radahn's seal on the gravity aliens had an effect on whatever Miquella was trying to do with Godwyn and no particular reason to think there was. Either way, Miquella was already in the land of shadow before Radahn died.
>>736393539>slopTranny
>>736382375Have you played the game and actually did the milicent questline? You even get her a prosthetic arm
>>736393539I was disappointed by it too but that's really overdramatic.
>>736393624I promise I have no plans to go on any school shootings.
>>736373197>>736375963I'm so fucking mad right now
>>736393698If anything I'm actually underselling how much I hated the Elden Ring DLC.
>>736380039>and immediately tried to kill me, despite the fact she should be more concerned about her brothers, whose whereabouts I could have told her, FOR NO RAISINThe DLC confirms that the tarnished is a psychopath who has no interest in cooperation and just wants to kill and get runes.
>>736393809Well, it's good that you're passionate about something.
>>736393736Yeah it really sucks that we missed out on this cutscene showing Miquella do something we already fucking knew he did
>>736393814>Epic fantasy adventure where you are forced to play as a retarded psychopath who kills everyone of significance in the worldOtherwise known as bad game design.
>>736393914Go back to skyrim then faglord
>>736378576Thought it was well-known already but here's her original intention she was Malenia, she had her own Mending Rune and ending
>>736392642>they didn't knowYou're telling me not a single Miquella faithful had any idea about any plan and some random fucking tarnished had to do all of it?
>>736393986Elden Ring is just Souls with the world design of Skyrim because Miyazaki is a soulless bugman with no new ideas.
>>736394110Malenia nuking Radahn and everything getting fucked and put on pause was not the plan. Miquella needed a lord and Radahn demanded to be conquered. Malenia was supposed to either capture him or kill him followed by Miquella resurrecting him. Instead she completely fucked his body, without killing him. Simultaniously, while Miquella's armies and Malenia were out, Mohg kidnapped his comatose body from the Haligtree. Now nobody knew what the fuck to do. Luckily, by revealing his existence, Mohg offered a substitute for Radahn's ruined body, but it was providence, not planning.
>>736394584All of Souls lore analysis really is a 90 IQ just-so story.
>>736394779Nice self-own
>>736394159Its world design isn't like Skyrim at all, Elden Ring has basically no Elder Scrolls in its design
>>736394961People can write just-so stories for any plot hole in any universe ever made. Souls just leaves lots of holes and lots of mongoloids obligingly take it upon themselves to put more work into explaining the actions of every character than Miyazaki ever did.
>>736395101Just like Skyrim, it has tons of dungeons with nothing of value at the end of them.
>>736394779Is there a Souls lore iceberg where the top layer is pretty much undisputed stuff like "Nameless King was Gwyn's firstborn" and then it gets progressively more schizo as you go down?If there isn't someone should make one.
>>736395158Lots of them have something of value, but that's an incredibly vapid comparison honestly as if there's not much more in either game and completely different designs of the world.
>>736395284all I know is the single most schizo thing is the mirror game fromsoft is locking off to everyone or however the particulars of that go
>>736395154Nah, I think you're just stupid and couldn't fill a hole if you were given dirt and shovel.
>>736395345Most Souls fans can't pick up on very obvious continuity errors because they have been trained like Pavlovian test subjects to associate the confusion they feel when playing slop with depth.
>>736385552Are you genuinely serious?>performs a satanic blood ritual >warps the minds of those around him to serve him >forces others to engage in sin (suicide)>is a literal faggot and a tranny >embodies literally every deadly sin But the main comparison is how he gets others to serve him, though subtle alteration of their minds into only serving him, robbing others of their god given free will. With an ultimate goal of everyone being subservient to him.
>>736395618>performs a satanic blood ritualThat was Ranni>warps the minds of those around him to serve himSatan does not have mind control powers>forces others to engage in sin (suicide)Satan cannot force anyone to sin, he can only tempt them>is a literal faggot and a trannySatan is neither>embodies literally every deadly sinHe's not gluttonous, he's not wrathful, he's not lazy, he's not envious.
>>736389923>such as definitely proving that Melina is just another wayward child of Marika rather than a cast off part of her own selfThat was obvious to anyone who wasn't retarded
I didn't even dislike the DLC but for some reason it completely killed my interesting in the game.I had like 6 characters ready for the DLC I played one and never touched Elden Ring again since then.
>>736395618>performs a satanic blood ritual Did no such thing>warps the minds of those around him to serve him Miquella's magic makes people become morally better and cures their mental illnesses, it doesn't compel them to obey his interests>forces others to engage in sin (suicide)He did not make anyone kill themselves, those soldiers came up with the idea out of grief. Miquella would not even have a reason to have people suicidally defend the haligtree, and we know for a fact that people directly affected by his charm actually LOSE suicidal ideation. >is a literal faggot and a tranny Neither is true. In fact he was literally born partially female and then cut that part out of himself for the sake of spiritual purification.>embodies literally every deadly sin Not a single person in the entire game or DLC has a single bad thing to say about him. He spent his entire life in service of others and ultimately sacrificed his body and mental autonomy to try to serve the world. Then you killed him for his hat and because he threatened to prevent you from continuing to kill anyone you don't like.
>>736394584>Simultaniously, while Miquella's armies and Malenia were out, Mohg kidnapped his comatose body from the Haligtree. Now nobody knew what the fuck to do. Luckily, by revealing his existence, Mohg offered a substitute for Radahn's ruined body, but it was providence, not planning.Miquella was still walking about because he healed Freyja's wound. Unless you think he did that as a spirit/she's already dead.
>>736393650Yes, she's parallel to Malenia. But that isn't the same as being her in an amnesiac state.
>>736395963Melina implied that Marika was her mother, but also that she didn't have a normal birth, meaning that something weird was going on. Melina's sacrifice at the Kiln of the Giants is more meaningful if she represented the last vestiges of Marika's own will, split off from her body at the foot of the Erdtree to seek out a champion to save the world. Instead, Melina was Marika's literal physical daughter, who was then killed and tuned as a spirit, making her sacrifice a lot more sad and making Marika look worse for doing that to her.
>>736396749>Unless you think he did that as a spiritIt's quite possible. "Trina" taught the merchants sealed below Leyendell their song to calm the frenzy, and he certainly did not go there in person. Alternatively, Freyja could have just hallucinated it, having been in a terrible fever.
>>736371565Hella would.
>>736372432>Is the Cinders overhaul mod any goodit's cringe fanfic larp shit which just floods the game with OC characters and item descriptions
>>736397214So it's the same level of quality as the DLC then?
>>736396918Souls fans have been conditioned into lobotomy patients. They cannot perceive plot holes.
>>736397509A minor detail not being explicitly explained is not a plot hole. There are at least two plausible explanations and it doesn't matter which it is.
>>736397559Malenia explicitly says that Miquella is already in the land of shadow during her fight with Radahn and it turns out he's just wandering around in the aftermath and curing randos. Eventually, all these plausible explanations fall back on every single character being a drooling retard who is wrong about everything.Shit writing.
>>736397939She just said that 'Miquella awaits', not where he's waiting or in what form.
>>736371565Dude it was literally a game made of recycled assets and movesets.Who they fuck cares if they cut something from the game made up of cut content from their actually good games.
Oh no. I am about to get another cluster fuck of 500 hour lore videos recommended to me on youtube for the next 4 years arent I
>>736379361>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DONT CARE THATS THE STORY YOU DONT FEEL SMART READING ITEM DESCRIPTIONS FUCKING DIE DIE DIE DIE DIElol spicoid zombie
>>736382863its for pve, silly
>>736377009>>736388030there's no excuse for kale's but mimic tear's was clearly just cut so they could repurpose the nox's elden lord for heolstor in nightreign. Probably the only one of these where you can actually see what happened
>>736371565Woah...The shota planted a tree...That's like......so deep man...
>>736372432It's more Miyazaki making you relive his attempts at reading books in English, when he barely understood anything he read early on.
>>736371869It makes me think about the ukraine, particularly that one Anon who fucking died because he was to lazy to flee the country because he was too busy playing Elden Ring
>>736381482The Elden Ring is basically like a divine control console and you have administrative rights over the server (world) with it. Marika broke it because she had a woman moment because Ranni had a woman moment and killed Godwyn. This is because they hate the mods (The Fingers) who also suffer woman moments because the server owner (God) left and so now the world is fucked.Your goal is to tardwrangle the women. Either by beating them up, killing all of them or beating up a woman after marrying her daughter.The essential premise of the story is that women ruin the world, matriarchies are awful and daddy issues are the source of all problems in existence.
>>736402803>Ranni had a woman moment and killed Godwyn. This is because they hate the mods (The Fingers)No. What happened is that Radagon (Ranni's dad) left Rennala (Ranni's mom) to go be the second Elden Lord with Marika, so Ranni hates Marika and considers her to be a home wrecker and Radagon to be a deadbeat. Ranni thus conspired to kill Godwyn because as far as Ranni knew, Godwyn was Marika's only kid. She used excuses about trying to fake her death and escape control of the fingers as a moral excuse, but she clearly doesn't actually care about this as she went to basically no effort to hide the fact she's still alive. The tragic joke of the situation is that Radagon is just Marika's schizo alternate personality and none of this would have happened if Marika had just explained the situation to Rennala's kids, but she was too embarrassed and ashamed.
>>736402803>>736403194Small correction, Ranni knew that Marika had two more kids, Miquella and Malenia, but didn't go after them probably because they were on less good terms with their parents than Godwyn was, and also because Malenia is scary
>>736402262Tell more
>>736393128I feel like there was enough about the Coral to put it together. The name itself kind of gives it away. It's an alien species of pure energy that's made up of individual motes/polyps that can form colonies (much like real coral) which give it greater intelligence, eventually reaching human intelligence. They're basically organic computers that are also gasoline. Ayre isn't the only intelligent Coral colony, but the Coral can't communicate meaningfully with humanity unless they have the C-type augmentations (621, sort of Iguazu) or huff mad Coral fumes (leader of RLF). Coral also propagates rapidly and can self-regenerate (again, like real coral) so Ayre using Coral weapons isn't weirdly psychotic (since it's just burning a part of a colony that can grow back).There's just some confusing dialogue because Ayre wants to connect with humans and considers herself a Rubiconian, so she thinks the human Rubiconians are her friends. I think the implication people drew that the sapient entities in the Coral were humans burned in it was accidental.AC6 and Sekiro have such cohesive and clear stories that it's evident that the obfuscated and opaque stories of their other games are a deliberate choice. I guess it's just what Michael Zaki likes.
>hype for Elden Ring DLC explaining Miquella>Miquella is actually the worst part of the DLC and it's just a bunch of gay incest
>>736404875You don't understand the DLC and probably haven't even played it. You just repost shitty memes from actual trannies on twitter.
>>736404875Must suck being as naive and media illiterate as you.>Er, um... hey, guys? Do you think the character with the supernatural talent to charm people is the victim in all of this?
>>736405080>Do you think the character with the supernatural talent to charm people is the victim in all of this?He literally is though. The twist is that you, the player, are the bad guy
>>736378456>i primarily use wikis and guides for everything i playdo you get your opinion from external resources too
>>736404875It didn't help that they released a trailer that was effectively a lie and suggested you would be serving him. I still think the single most powerful moment in the whole of Souls is when you reach Gwynevere (or her illusion) in DS1 and you bow to her.I just want to have someone or something to swear fealty to and serve, and I don't think this is a lot to ask for from my medieval fantasy combat simulator 5000. Souls is just weirdly intent on making you feel like a murderous, selfish psychopath and I'm fucking sick of it.
>>736405039>>736405080I specifically remember an argument in a thread before the DLC came out pushing back against Miquella being evil and mass charming everyone because it would be too obvious.but it really was just exactly that
>>736405347It was too obvious, and yet they still played it up as an incredible twist. But the twist is just that he was using a guy you already murdered, so it didn't even feel impactful in the slightest to me.I guess I was supposed to feel bad because Ansbach was sad, or something, but I didn't.
>>736405347No it wasn't. Nothing in the DLC suggests that Miquella was or is evil or would be a bad God. But he denies your crown, so you kill him. That's the entire basis of the conflict.
>>736405430No, the twist is that the tarnished was just lying to Leda, and always intended to kill Miquella from the start.
>>736405491>imposing traits on my silent protagonist character with zero meaningful relationships to anyone else in the worldShit just sucks even if it's what was intended tbqh.
>>736405335You are way fucking gay
>>736405451no people from the base game before the DLC even came out got clues that maybe he could be evil because he can charm people and questioned a lot about his role, I was there. Though again people thought that would've been too obvious
>>736392231They're larpers, they are pretending the game has no problems because social media told them it's a masterpiece. It's a zoomer subhuman thing.
>>736405620>>736405491The player can stop at any time. You don't need to kill anyone. You don't need to involve yourself.
>>736371565Damn, Radahn fucks that???
>>736405620I would have preferred to be able to decline the challenge too, biggest weakness of the DLC>people from the base game before the DLC even came out got clues that maybe he could be evil because he can charm peopleIt was always badeless speculation. They assume that because his power is usually a kind used by villains in anime that Miquella must be evil, despite there being no evidence he ever did anyone wrong.
>>736405663You ever notice how in shit like Arthurian legends and Greek myths being a loyal vassal is actually incredibly important? People don't like feeling like murderous psychopaths, they like feeling like they're fighting for others. Souls games consistently deny you the ability to feel like you are fighting for anything but yourself, but even earlier games like Demon's and Dark Souls knew that this could effectively be used against you with fights like Astraea and Sif. Nu-Souls just feels motiveless and sociopathic but also wants you to feel 'cool' the whole time, too, so makes sure you don't get any fights designed to ruin the vibe.I just don't like it.
>>736405796The game should acknowledge it. Bloodborne did. I think SOTE only.omitted such an ending because early on Miazaki said the DLC would not have a new ending and autistically stuck to that arbitrary promise, as japs often do.
>>736405796>The player can stop at any time.I did, and I also felt like my money spent was wasted.
>>736381828sounds like the plot of RE8
>>736391080AC6 is like if ace combat had stagger based combat and everyone in the standard 'you're the hero' plot briefings and debriefings were dosed up on sedatives.
>>736375375>the fucking floating t-pose attack>the retards suddenly switching up and saying the Radahn plotline makes 100% sense>that godawful final cutscene, which as it turns out is recycled content, and a downgrade from what it was originally>gate of divinity is blocked by a chest high wallI'm still so pissed. Messmer is my favorite character of any Fromsoft game, why did the main story of the DLC have to be so shitty? It honestly seems they don't even respect the quality of what they had, Miyazaki didn't care about the story or world and shat out some awful trash that is the last we will ever see from the actual setting.>>736385125Michael Zaki is a fedora tipper and the game has an anti-religous, Nietzchean message. If you didn't realize this from the base game's story, let alone the Metyr plotline in the DLC, you might genuinely be retarded.
>>736406149>Illiterate tranny who didn't even play the DLC is also an SnKtardOf course!
>>736406108And it is still ten times better at integrating narrative with gameplay than Miyazaki has ever made.
>>736391925If it were included then the Marika/Radagon twist would have been better foreshadowed and actually understandable. Elden Ring saw them go way too far with their vague storytelling.
>>736405925Nothing you're saying is absolving you of being way fucking gay
>>736406274Radagon isn't a silver tear.
>>736404626>It's an alien species of pure energy that's made up of individual motes/polyps that can form colonies (much like real coral) which give it greater intelligence, eventually reaching human intelligence.Which would mean only Ayre and other C-Wave Mutations are sapient. Not all Coral.>They're basically organic computers that are also gasoline. Ayre isn't the only intelligent Coral colony, but the Coral can't communicate meaningfully with humanity unless they have the C-type augmentations (621, sort of Iguazu) or huff mad Coral fumes (leader of RLF).That's the distinction i'm trying to figure out. Not all humans can effectively communicate with Coral but all humans are sapient beings. >Coral also propagates rapidly and can self-regenerate (again, like real coral) so Ayre using Coral weapons isn't weirdly psychotic (since it's just burning a part of a colony that can grow back).I dunno man, it almost sounded like Ayre was stopping herself from crying during the Destroy the Coral transports mission. Makes me think all Coral could be sapient or at least sentient.
>>736406348okay
>>736406230why are you so adamant to defend the DLCs shitty story?
>>736406452He's a legit schizo, he shits up every ER thread and argues in circles, and somehow misses the very obvious point the game was trying to make about the silence of God and the desperation people have to fill that void. He acts like Miquella is a Jesus analogue when Jesus was the son of God and Miquella has literally nothing tying him to the greater will, he's just like Marika playing as a God or the Hornesent chasing ego death, he's trying to erase all the doubt and uncertainty of the world by violently establishing an authority over it.
>>736406452Because I'm tired of faggot trannies like you howling like monkeys over a great game you hate because you're dogshit and lazy>He acts like Miquella is a Jesus analogue when Jesus was the son of God Read that again>he's just like Marika playing as a GodLike half of what we know about him is that he knew he wasn't perfect and mutilated himself to be certain he was literally incapable of ever diverging from the path of benevolence>he's trying to erase all the doubt and uncertainty of the world by violently establishing an authority over it.And that's the actual crux of why you call him "evil", you hate the idea of anyone having authority over you, even if it meant an era of divine providence in which murder and war were abolished from the world. You want to be able to kill people you don't like, and you'd damn the whole world just to cling to that capacity. You're fundamentally evil, and you deserve the broken world you'd be king of.
>>736371960>>736372024>>736372040>>736385225/v/ gets baites by the the most basic shit, I swear. No wonder bad actors come hare everyday to get free (You)'s.
>>736407304Second part for >>736406902
is it possible to beat game with an Estoc?
>>736371565>beathGood morning sars
>>736407463>Can you beat the souls games with one of the most OP weapon types?idk man
>>736407326>>736407479
>>736385975Nigger it's fucking great to not have to worry about pregnancy, I already had my kids popped out I'm not missing out on anything.
>>736371565You sound like the fag that sued Bandai Namco for not making the cut content playable, even knowing that most of that content were recycled ideas that made no sense.Fuck off.
>>736407981Sounds based to me. Fromslop makes schizo bait stories and get the schizo audience they deserve.
>>736407326The whole>You made a typo? You're Indian!!!things is getting pretty cringe. I'm pretty sure it's just a bunch of nonwhites looking for an excuse to call each other out, as if it makes them marginally more white if they call someone else a jeet.I constantly see very clear instances of ESL grammar get a pass, presumably because none of these people speak English well enough to notice. I've seen a huge surge in phrases like, "How do you call..." in the past couple years. But OP accidentally types a single "h" at the end of the word "beat"? Jeet! Good morning saar!This is why we need to ban all third world IP addresses.
>>736371869my friend is getting a vasectomy because he already has 3 kids and his gf constantly wants to bang, does that make him a basedboy beta cuck?
>>736408850Yes.
>>736381482This is true.
>>736371565No new lore about Godwyn or GEQ = don't care.Idc about miquella and his faggyness
>>736371565>i will kill you for cutting content of the tranime queer I jerk off toleast mentally ill fromqueer
>>736377739I mean, it's obvious.Miquella's plan is obtaining a plot device that can resurrect demigods.And part of this plan involves... killing Radahn so he can use it resurrect him, making the whole thing completely pointless?
>>736382118>I don't play Souls games for the storiesYou are the exact same dogshit cancer as the retards saying the Mario movie doesn't need a good story. It's a fictional medium, a fundamentally competent story is a necessary condition for a work to be good, objectively. Either acquire some fucking standards or kill yourself.
>>736382338The Elden Ring combat system is vastly superior to Dark Souls, which is half baked and barely functional.
>>736385125Anyone killing a fictional communist kike on a stick is a hero of all White races
>>736385349>>736386171So like rabbi yeshua the boy molesting fictional kike, who never married, was always kissing dudes, and ran around with suspiciously young naked boys
>>736375375The day Malenia was cucked.
>>736391080Incredibly underrated post. This should be pinned until all fucking soulsbabbies kill themselves
>>736392227>She didn't know Mohg kidnapped him nor where he was>>736392642>She didn't know that Mohg had kidnapped Miquella and was rendered in a coma after blooming against RadahnSo where the fuck was the option for me to TELL HER WHERE MIQUELLA IS? This is supposed to be an interactive medium, you slop gargling Enshittifying degenerate faggots.For that matter, why does she just so happen to wake up from her coma when I bumble in? Why is her first instinct upon waking to initiate a fight to the death with the vagrant pissant she's never seen before? Why doesn't she ask where Radahn is, what happened, where her brother is, how in the blue fuck she got from Caelid to her bedroom, and/or how long she's been out?While I'm at it, why did Millicent kill herself not two minutes after fighting for her life? Why did Melina just stand offscreen with her thumb up her ass while you burned EVERYTHING with the Frenzied Flame, when she can absolutely fight you as shown by her summon in the Morgot fight? Why do NONE of the last few bosses, including Gideon and Horah Louix not mention your glowing yellow eyes when pursuing the Frenzied Flame ending? How in the blue fuck does Ranni, the Batman Plan having conniving shrew who knew a level 1 Tarnished crawled out of a literal hole in the ground and teleported to meet him on the off chance he'd be useful to her not realize that same pisswhistle was going to upend all of her plans AND KILL HER with the Frenzied Flame and muster every possible force against him? How is it Undertale, the r*ddit gaywad game, managed to do an Omnicide Route better than the Triple A game with literally one thousand times the budget???Stop sucking Miyaslopi's flaccid little chinkchoad and have some fucking standards. Video games used to be COMPLETE, satisfying stories before this despicable no talent faggot poisoned the entire medium with his cackhanded shitforbrains Zanzibart Forgive Me cancer.
elden ring fucking sucks compared to the great ds3 and it's a shame that this will be what they will use going forward because cattle love open world
>>736393914But can totally choose to do several complicated quests to save the Lands Between instead of just burning it all. MAKES TOTAL SENSE MIYASLOPI YOU RETARD>>736393986Even though you'll be dead by your own hand soon, everyone you've ever met will be annoyed that it didn't happen even sooner.
>>736395618>robbing others of their god given free will.That is exactly not what "Satan" (hebrew word meaning "accuser" or "adversary") has ever done in any mythology, you fucking imbecile. All of the TEMPTATION would have exactly zero point if the target didn't have free will the entire time. Even in chr*stianity, the single most pigshit retarded myth ever known to man, Satan never interferes with free will. He appears and offers or pitches actions contrary to "god's plan." He never even outright lies, because, again, that would defeat the entire purpose. He doesn't lie to Eve, the fruit gave her wisdom god had just like he said it would. He doesn't lie to rabbi yeshua the fictional kike on a stick in the desert either. Yeshua could have conjured food for himself. The ENTIRE PURPOSE was to let the target make their own choice in his favor. That Miquella is "charming" people to suppress or override their free will makes him 110% the diametric opposite of Satan, you donkey ass dipshit. You subhuman fucking illiterate monkeypox-in-the-ass having braindead faggot.You are a stupid jew worshipping NPC dronie faggot, the only way you could ever do anything to make the world a better place is to kill yourself and any offspring that share you dirty retard genes
Was the story really that bad? I only really paid attention to the enemies and weapons and new spells
>>736398664You are the double digit IQ drooling sycophant making excuses for the """story""" being sentence fragments inexplicably tattooed on the side of items. I am trying to tell you the game is dogshit because of that and to kill yourself since you are far too brown to ever have standards
>>736395284Where would the Havel Ash Lake rebel group theory go on the hypothetical iceberg?
>>736405335>I just want to have someone or something to swear fealty to and serveAre you engl*sh, you fucking faggot?
>>736405796Can I also have my fucking money back then? No? Kill yourself.This is supposed to be an INTERACTIVE MEDIUM FOR FUCK'S SAKE. There absolutely, with no valid excuses whatsoever, must be options in a game like this for the player to side with Miquella.
>>736405925>Greek myths being a loyal vassal is actually incredibly important?No, you fucking dipshit>People don't like feeling like murderous psychopaths,Yet that's basically what Odysseus was. Subhuman chr*stcucked engl*sh vermin like YOU don't like feeling like independent people. The superior American Race knows better and shot you pestilent anklebiting invertebrate retards out of out country then went to the literal moon to wave our dicks at you filth from the highest point we could reach.
This is a cool cutscene and all, but it doesn't really change anything. There's still a reference to Miquella watering the Haligtree with his blood in the final game, and it in no way changes Miquella's motivations or actions as a character. Regardless of whether we see him planting the Haligtree or not, he planted it, and he planted it with the hope that it would become the hope of a new order that protected all life - even perverse and malign forms of life (the misbegotten, the albinaurics, and the kindred of rot). I really hate when people overreact to cut content like this. You'll fucking live.That said, I don't know why this wasn't the cutscene you see at the end of the DLC. It's better than what wet got in-game. It seems relatively complete, too.
>>736407981What an absolute fucking retard he was. Good riddance.
>>736410778>a fundamentally competent story is a necessary condition for a work to be goodFuck off, retard. Next you'll tell me Minecraft needs a story.I just know what to expect from Souls games and that is a jumbled mess of a story. Of course it could be better but I'll still keep playing the games for the gameplay.
>>736371740soulsfaggots btfo
>>736412652>why doesn't the game account for every possibilityEven BG3 doesn't do that with everything and that's probably the clostest you'll get in a AAA game.Shit costs time and money to program for not much benefit or increased players.>Undertale comparisonOh, so you're just a retarded faggot. Okay.
>>736371869the only dudes I know that got a vasectomy did it because they already had more than enough kids and they decided to make sure it won't happen againLike my father had 5 kids, then got a vasectomy. Or my sisters husband whos up to 6 kids with her, after they orignally wanted to stop at 2.
>>736371565Is that Miquella? That nigga has been on my mind. No cap, I been thinking about that time when I barebacked him raw in an Elphael Air BnB. That shit had to be the tightest, pinkest, wettest boy pussy I've ever laid pipe into. I swear to God, the most heavenly high is gargling that wonderboy's nuts while going fist deep into his shitter. I had Miquella screaming in the sheets with head too ridiculous to ignore. That nigga frotted my cock until he busted on my mouth, I had to return the favor. That nigga Miquella and I been fucking non-stop ever since, but keep that shit on the DL. He does that shit for free. If you're gonna ask me how to "long" Miquella, I'll be deadass. All you gotta do is ask, be straight up, and get physical real quick. Touch his nuts, get on ya knees, talk your shit. He doesn't play around with no pansy-ass niggas either. He likes his men manly, and his dick thick. Dark skin, 6'5 is the minimum and I ain't talking about height boy
>>736402262>>736404001This guy?
>>736371565to be fair this goes for every souls game
>>736385125nigger is >I abandon here my heartand even more clearly>I abandon here my lovenot enough to drive the point home?does that sound like Jesus to you?
>>736414120Minecraft isn't even a game. Without any win condition, it's an autism fidget for mindnumbed zoomeritos whose parents don't love them. It and all of the OpEn WoRlD sUrViVaL cRaFt dogslop it spawned are a cancerous plague as bad as Miyaslopi's soulscringe.
>>736414865heh
>>736371565>ER "lore"All the lore came from the One Great, Demon's Souls and has been recycled ever since. And so, what was borrowed, must be returned.
>>736414265>why doesn't the game account for every possibilityThis game accounts for nothing, not even the flagrantly obvious things regarding core characters for which a lack of accounting constitutes a catastrophic plot hole. Again, Undertale, the r*ddit estrogen game made principally by one queer, managed to account for the characterization, motivation, and EXISTENCE of major players in its own plot better than the $60 game from a Triple A studio. Stop strawmanning and special pleading to defend to dogshit you wrongly like.>Oh, so you're just a retarded faggot. Okay.Cope and seethe, assmad zoomertr00n
