I wish they would make an entirely new game already.

>>736376338
Is there an actual possibility of that? Why'd they make XIV when XI exists?

>>736376539
no. ffxiv is now older than ffxi was when ffxiv was announced

>>736376539
They thought they could cash in with an updated competitor to WoW, but they realized they were wrong and learned their lesson too late after already killing off the superior MMO, they won't repeat it with a third MMO. They can keep XI alive with basically no resources put into it, they won't be able to do the same with XIV.

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the FC house on my old main got a demo notice today. last i checked only 2 other people from my old HW era static still played. do i let it pop and let someone else have the chance at a house, or do i keep it up as a monument to a lost time?

without being too specific, its on aether and its one of the 'bad' lavender beds small plots

why the fuck do they put extremes on wondrous tales
do people actually do that

>>736376539
About the same chance of getting a WoW 2.

>>736378476
sometimes people will do them in PF just for the shot at a mount or something while also getting a WT sticker. you should be able to solo all the extremes minus susano anyway

Mr. Happy and MTQ, as usual, dodge another XIV community member scandal.

>>736376206
>imminent.
>end of the month
retard

>Yoshida says FF games lost popularity because games take a long time to be developed and released.
>Development time of patches and expansion releases increases in each expansion

>>736378894
Yoshida is the most dumbfuck retard at SE with no vision. Other people like Nomura may be dumbfuck retards, but at least they have a vision and style. Yoshida is pure businessman cut corners do minimal work as possible be generic. People often like to say XIV runs on shoestring budget out of pride, but it fucking shows and always did.

>>736378894
acknowledging the problem and doing nothing to fix it is his MO

>>736378869
It's a meme at this point. The first guy who used it got completely mindbroken from being called out and laughed at, so he started using it ironically to "own" it to stop getting bullied.
>>736378894
>Development time of patches and expansion releases increases in each expansion
The game is slowly being put into maintenance mode. Everyone needs to let that sink in and accept it.

>>736379206
>slowly
It's been in maintenance mode since 6.1.

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>>736376206
Xivvers, how we doin?

>>736379206
>>736379275
game has been in maintenance mode since 3.3

>>736379410
I don't care how you cope about it, but you're retarded if you think a big company like SE handling XIV is going to come out and say "look we're not getting the return we used to get for the money we're putting into the game, and we've peaked at subscribers years ago and it's never going to go that high again, so we're going to start slowly pulling people off the project". The do what they've been doing now, slowly taking longer to release the same amount of content.

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>>736379330
Poppin', rockin', and one shottin'.

>>736378848
QRD?

>>736378476
>do people actually do that
Yeah because I queue solo, cast one Rainbow Drip, and collect my sticker.

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>>736376206
As far as I am concerned Final Fantasy XIV ended in 6.0. The only reason the story continued on from that point is because this is a live service game that is obligated to be milked until the juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore.

>>736379206
>>736379275
>>736379410
If you want to see real MMO maintenance mode check out Sega's PSO2.

>>736380369
just like the majority of mmo threads, that anon gets to decide what words mean, and if you argue and he doesn't agree, well better luck next time

>>736380458
The base game is permanently stuck in 2020 and hasn't been updated since.

>>736380458
No one wants to have a retarded semantics argument with zoomertranny's coping because it's their first MMO; It's the same reason people stopped saying "the game's dead" as a shorthand for "the game is obviously being put into maintenance mode"

>>736380227
Congratulations on discovering how the MMO model works

>>736380719
I wish I could spawn a singleplayer version of ARR-EW out of the aether.

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>>736376206
i believe that it will be reborn from the ashes again

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>>736380369
maintenance mode is when two big population bubbles blow up and the game deflates back to where it was before those bubbles, didn't you know?

>>736376539
A new mmo isn’t getting made for a good 5 or 6 years and that’s being generous, because ffxiv isn’t doing badly numbers wise no matter what retards posts here and in twitter

>>736381213
>>736381341
cope, trannys.

>>736380369
God don’t remind me, pso2 was handled so badly I’m surprised it’s still even up

>736381402
You’re boring, get new material other than calling people x buzzword

Your thread died early yesterday abel
Trying again today?

>>736381341
A new MMO is a really stupid thing to push for but people keep doing it, I guess mostly because they're bored with the current wheel and want it reinvented regardless of how well the wheel is actually rolling

Remake Coils as normal dungeons you cowards. Also delete Crystal Tower apart from the cerberus boss, he's pretty cool.

the vague thought in my thread made me think today. last i checked only 2 other people from the old thread still posted. do i let it simmer and let someone else have the chance to think, or do I keep up the facade as a monument to lost replies?

without being too specific, its on /v/ and its one of my 'good' posts

>>736381510
>t-the game's not DYING it's just going back to the population it was YEARS AGO that's TOTALLY normal
lmao, XIV is not WoW, it doesn't even have fun combat to fall back on, it's never going to last.

>>736380026
NEST imploding, but I'm kind of surprised they're still going because they feel like a relic of pre-SHB XIV. Humor and personalities stayed the same, but it's not what people care to see regarding XIV funny vids after the covid boom.

>>736381213
We've coped our way into two bubbles now?

>>736381801
The funniest thing was realizing they'd throw for content and Drak tripling down on the 'you pull it you tank it' shit
Just a bunch of normalfaggots who probably made the game look harder for casuals than it actually was

>>736381819
worlo and covid, dummy

>>736381895
The WoW exodus started after covid in 5.5. If the bubble was real, they would both be the same bubble.

>>736381213
This is so true. Now that the bubble has popped and the SE board has decided that XIV has peaked (it's PEAK!) and no longer needs investment, we can rest assured that the game will get less and less content. We're already so thankful that the BLU update had to be cancelled because of lack of resources. This means we have even more time for other games. Just think about how many more other games we'll be able to play for $12.99 a month. You really can't beat this kind of value.

>>736382115
what's the difference supposed to be between one mega-bubble of normalfags and shadowlands immigrants or two bubbles made of both parties

>>736382207
[Hazzikostas liked that]

Objective reality: the same amount of content and patches are taking longer and longer to release. No amount of tranny cope or HRT can argue against what that means.

>>736381885
Yeah that was basically the appeal for the most part, but it also only works when you can do the mechs correctly just as easy as messing them up. You could tell they were getting MAD mad from Eden onward and always rotating through new members for one reason or another

>want to play an mmorpg
>know if i resub to xiv ill be bored within a day
>ffxi is too old
>wow is wow
>gw2 is boring
im so fucked

>>736382413
GW1 or Runescape, obviously.

Pandaemonium would have been a thousand times more kino if Lahabrea's ghost appeared to cast Ultima on Athena instead of her casting it.

>>736382413
I'm on WoW for a bit until Ultimate comes out

>>736382886
how good is wow atm?

XIV is still a thing now that WoW has a housing system that crushes xiv in every metric?

>>736382781
Pandaemonium would've been 1000 times more kino if the plot point everyone cared about wasnt solved by Abyssos, making Anabaseios feel like lazy fanfiction filler
>here's why Lahabreah went crazy...
>ok now that we wrapped that up (very badly, too), MEMBER SEAT OF SACRIFICE? MEMBER ULTIMA? MEMBER THE HEART OF SABIK??????

>>736380179
don't think you can do that with endwalker extremes

>>736382946
hearthsteel ensured WoW's will never overtake XIV's

>>736376539
Because they have the DQX MMO that's Japan only that's a mixture of successor to XI and some modern MMO stuff but still classical gaming elements in it, hence it never came over seas besides how low the series is held in regards.

There's been talk over the years to make an international version of DQX that's single player, so maybe after that they'll make a new Dragon Quest while the nostalgia is still there before the players are too old and maybe bring it west this time, but unlikely.

>>736377627
It's a small plot. Just let it go if it isn't being used at this point as a submarine money maker since it sounds like you've had years to do something and done nothing with it. Cut the chains of Promathia and be freed to find new friends and experiences I say.

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>>736382936
As of right now? I'd say it's more or less the same. I think how people treat both of these games tends to be wrong. Neither is built upon longform replay value anymore. You don't play WoW for the story, you play it because the combat feels good and M+ is fun for a couple weeks. It's about of a theme park as it gets. And it still looks decent visually so that helps a ton. You play XIV when you want the story and have the 8-15 weeks for the high end content where it takes priority. I had fun doing Mythic on the dead time for TWW and got my first CE while Square took months to put content out. Maybe in that retrospect it's cool to be an idort because I like both for different reasons. And this is probably objectively a hater take, a cold take, I don't know, but WoW always had better single player content to just go and fuck around with and collect shit that I wish Square gave a shit enough to carry over. But they're too fucking lazy so you'll get the worst implementation of a glamour catalogue and vice versa. When you got unlocked gear pieces for all jobs, the monkey paw curled. And they couldn't even be assed to implement it all so you're still stuck with 30 spots forever. It's basically Square telling you they want to nickle and dime you for pennies and to just buy retainers already. True faggot behavior. Warcraft obviously is pozzed to complete shit and it doesn't even compare but I'm well past the point of giving any two fucks about the shit that doesn't interest me. I think the gameplay is good in both games, so I play both when it suits me. And neither does? There's a fair amount of nice singleplayer stuff that releases every year that passes through the cracks and isn't AAA slop. I didn't even think I could get CE in WoW but they made it surprisingly accessible compared to when I tried in Legion. Hope that helps somewhat. It's pretty nice as well that leveling is painless so you can just try everything if you want to.

>week 1 savage
:)
>week 2-8 savage reclears
:(
>first clear of new ultimate
:)
>ultimate reclears until everyone has the glowsticks they want
:(

Is there any way XIV could fix this?

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>>736383524
Not really, since there's basically no way to create enough new content to keep players interested.

>>736383605
appealing to poopsockers is literally never the answer for game health, both casual poopsockers demanding new general updates and hardcore poopsockers demanding new raids and challenges

>>736383605
Doesn't need to be new content really, but more intrigue in current content. Something to keep Savage fresh for a longer priod of time without creating 4 new fights asap.

>>736383524
Not as long as Square Enix keeps a bare minimum FFXIV team, giving them excuse of lack of resources whenever players ask for more content within a patch cycle.

>>736384098
"fuck off" is a perfectly reasonable response to requests and demands for moar, in my opinion

>>736384316
>fuck off is a reasonable response to your customers who want content in a game they pay a monthly subscription for
You have aspirations of working for a westoid AAA vidya company, don't you?

>>736384316
They shit out the money that saves the entire company and are on a shoestring budget.

>>736384438
no i have aspirations of working for an eastern AAA company that's forced to deal with westoids requesting and demanding moar because they don't know what $13 a month is actually worth

>>736384562
The Japanese don't hire transgender communists, thankfully.

>>736384446
That's how live service games tend to work. Fortnite slips just a little and Sweeney is bawling they have to cut costs.

Thanks for ruining pvp and mahjong with your stupid fucking moogle event yoshi

>>736384669
Fortnite is slipping because Tim would rather payout to brainrot modes and collabs.

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sometimes i like to stand in popular idle spots pretending im afk but i have free cam on looking for toon data to steal for gpose purposes

>>736384669
That's not how this game works. In this game it's a good thing when subscriber counts fall. The less people paying for the game, the less money Yoshi-P has to make more content (which we HATE!!!). And that means we have more time for idling, gposing, modding, and most importantly, other games. It's only the wowie zowies who want gross """content""" and """"""rewards"""""" and honestly? They can frick off.

>>736385138
Also the player count isn't falling. But it's a good thing that it is because the wowbucks are leaving. But just remember that it's not happening, even though it's good that it is.

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>8.0 by next year
They can't be this out of touch, can they?

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>>736385298
We're still over a year away from 8.0.

>>736384872
I do this but inspect if someone has a /c/.

>>736385361
Grim

>>736385361
Realistically its 9 months away.

>>736385298
We'll find out for sure in a couple weeks, but I'm going to laugh my ass off if the release year isn't mentioned at all.

>>736385461
Yes the latest is March 31th because I bet they don't want another fiscal year without any expansion

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>>736385298
it'll be late this year. >>736385657 is right, they need something to fill out the various quarters and q1 2027 feels more like the last ff7r thingy

It's incredible how much one bad expansion woke people up

>>736385298
end of next year btw

>>736385981
It was really two bad expansions but you're not allowed to say anything bad about Endwalker yet.

>>736381093
Cocobutt

>>736386085
Endwalker was overall a good story conclusion, but yes, a lot of the problems we face now started in Endwalker...or even Shadowbringers.

>>736386085
it will be ours again, a MSQ full of kino

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>>736386190
what could you possibly mean by that

i got shit to do. keep the thread warm for me

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>>736386654
No promises, but since you posted that, I'll give it a shot.

>>736386274
WoW-tier Copium. Much as I WANT it to be good again...a LOT has to change before the game will regain its' popularity

>>736386654
you're not going anywhere

>>736385746
>old job trainer
Pretty niche, probably won't get
>Number squish
Possible, but unlikely without other major overhauls with it
>Song
Unlikely since 8.0 is "supposed" to be a whole new storyline (but they'll fuck that up too just like Dawntrail)
>FFX job
Blitzball at best. Unlikely, but possible.
>Old antagonist
Doubt it, most are dead
>Alliance raid
Highly likely, barring a Collab.
>price increase
You mean a nail in the coffin?
>Job changes
They need to, badly
>Pre-order Earring
Unlikely, it's too late for Oschon. Probably something more FF7-themed.
>Merch
Easy square
>Ancients
Ehhh...likely to be mentioned, given we have an Ascian again.
>Ishikawa/Writer
Odd choice for a square
>New game mode is mix
Easy square, that's all they do now.
>More subraces/customization
hahahahaha, this square might as well not exist for bingo purposes
>BLU
Only mentioned in that they're doing nothing with it, or promising an 8.4x minor update.
>New OC Roe
...where did this come from? Unless it's a black guy with a roe skeleton that's "Totally not Barrett"
>Scions front
Included probably, front and center? Less likely
>Graha's VA
There will be 0 explanation for this, ever. It's just gonna be a jarring change like from ARR to HW when the whole cast was redone without a word.
>Lv100
If I had any faith in their ability to be creative, I'd believe this was plausible. But I don't, so ded square, prease rook forward to lv110
>8man
Unless they bring back Alphascape somehow, I doubt this is plausible.
>graphics!
Nah that was last expansion, it's mostly done, ded square
>EOS PS4
I'd rather see EOS Consoles period, fuck y'all for limiting the game's potential
>Addons
If price increase was a nail, then cracking down on addons is the final nail in the coffin, straight up nosedive into the ground dead.
>Gold saucer revamp
Extremely unlikely, at MOST they'd add another floor.

We need a better bingo card, this one is fuckin awful.

i havent played in a since OC came out but i want to try it again but idk if i should sub or just wait

>>736385138
Can you only achieve orgasm by being a dope?

Y'shtola can only achieve orgasm through pedantry

>>736388346
and i kinda wanna use a fanta but i love my middie palagod

>>736388645
Only reason you should ever change from a middie is to go lalafell. Wait until 7.5 at least to resub.

>>736388719
okay thank you

>>736384316
Then "fuck off" is also a perfectly reasonable response to them wanting me to pay a subscription to play the game.

>>736389042
yes actually if they're not doing what you want then you don't pay them, not much of a counterpoint

>>736389349
While I agree and that's perfectly true, this is still the MMO where they've told US to fuck off between patches for the longest time so it doesn't really work the same

>>736385298
They massively sped up the fanfest cycle. The first one is this month and the last in October, rather than the first being around October and the last sometime spring of next year. Presumably, if we go by usual patterns they mean to have 8.0 out in the Dec-Feb range. They are in a fucking HURRY to get 8.0 onto the stage and the vaudeville hook around 7.0's waist.

>>736389418
i don't see what's actually changed in that dynamic personally. i fuck off between patches if i'm not playing. shrimple

>>736389449
Unless they straight up rewrite Dawntrail from the ground up with a new writer, it's going to forever be a stain upon the game that newer players will have to "slog through" after a relative high like SHB>EW and be what Josh Strife Hayes calls a potential quit moment. You don't follow up an epic conclusion with shit like that, it's like saying "We're done, you can fuck off now, I clearly don't care to try anymore".

>>736390034
Same, that's why I'm not subbed now and I may not even sub to 7.5 immediately, though I'd hate to join after all the "good" raiders are done with Windurst and have to pug it with more shitters than usual. 8.0's gonna have to do a lot of good shit to come back from the hole the game's in.

>>736390194
oh who gives a fuck dawntrail's always there, we don't even hear about ARR being this impossible barrier separating sprouts from kinosward anynore

>>736390339
It still is though, but at least it's at the beginning before you're attached and world builds, as much as ARR needs a full rewrite and re-record with the current VAs instead of the originals. Dawntrail is after 5 fucking expansions, where you have full investment if you got that far, in the story, in your character, possibly even in NPCs.

>>736390491
The instant they rewrite ANYTHING to capitulate to fans is the instant they turn into a laughing stock story like WoW

>>736388346
wait until they release the last zone.

>>736391136
I don't disagree with that fact, but it wouldn't be to capitulate, it would be for their own fuckin' good. ARR is an absolute slog because it was made when they didn't know if they were going to flop AGAIN, and they've learned a lot since then. They could re-do it with the knowledge they've gained and make onboarding hook you that much better.

>>736391446
I don't think it could be improved without a complete rewrite going back to 6.55. and that wouldn't be in the cards, ever

Far rather them work on other early game shit

>>736392015
Not only is it a total waste of time but it makes them feckless

>>736392015
Agree with the last part, but they could easily work with what 6.55 gave them. The overall story would be the same: Dawnservant Competition, Wuk Lamat would still be there just a LOT less prominent so you had a little room to shine and properly teach her, rather than her pulling a Rey Palpatine and knowing everything when she needs it, and when she wins halfway through, she fucks off for the rest of the expansion because she has a goddamn kingdom to run and repair, at MOST coming back to help with Zoraal Ja's final fight.

The 2nd half would be Krile-focused with a hint of Erenville, exploring and finding more in Alexandria, and other than a quick stint to meet her Parents there, Living memory would be sequestered ENTIRELY to 7.1-7.2 content, NOT part of the main story, because that entire zone made no sense and was a huge "Slow down and take your time in this zone, even though Speen's about to nuke everything" pacing problem. This also means Wuk would not be present or pull a Zenos reality-shatter at the end, but Krile could find a way to stop or weaken Sphene with the Key and her Ancestry, which could open SO MANY FUCKING DOORS for writing her going forward.

Thread needs a lot more lalaposting

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>>736393301

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Female hroth? Y/N

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>>736381801
I remember discovering Happy in ARR
I remember MTQ getting roasted for her guides
I remember Larryzaur vaguely, I also remember him having a manchild cry about some sponsorship
NEST however, I have literally never heard of

What do you call a Lalafell that smokes weed?
A baked potato

>>736394478
DUDE

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I wanna princess carry Y'shtola.

Question to raidfags: during M11S arena split, have you ever had to adjust further from the tether close to you despite having to go slightly out of the marker corner as a fire baiter to not get clipped by the AoE?

>>736394127
This.

>>736394127
Post your butt, Muttonchops

>>736381801
How did they implode?

>>736394520
WEED

take the casual gamer pill, no loot drama no static drama no google doccy drama

login get your roulette tomes then dip to go play hellbenders 2 with the lads on the 'cord

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>>736397797
This
Fucking past two years have been full of sweats, poopsocks, streamers and forum trolls begging for content release schedules that aren't humane

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>>736397797
I made a free trial account and only do DD

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>>736397797
>no loot drama no static drama no google doccy drama
My static is well adjusted and they lead normal lives outside of the game
I don't have this issue, find better people to dedicate your time to

>>736398594
Those kind of people are in the minority, sadly. Also what is that, a screenshot for ants?

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>>736398594
>yeah well my static is
SILENCE AVATARFAG
BIDEN BLAST

>>736398594
I guess you are the exception from the rule, since no well adjusted person will scan /v/ 24/7 to post their god awful character in XIV threads.

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>>736376206
I hope they figure out what works and focus on it or get off the fucking pisspot already.
If they want to be the story and hardcore raider game since these are the least half baked pieces of content the game has, double the fuck down on it and start culling the other content they know doesn't work so they can better focus on it.
Imagine 4-5 raid tiers per expansion alongside whatever else they can pull off in that time frame instead what they do currently.

The problem is that they want to be a bunch of different shit, most of which doesn't work, because the story players who are the super majority will effectively unsub for year(s) at a time and then they can only rely on the hardcore raider subs to stay afloat, which isn't really a lot of players.
Except they don't really have content that has pull to draw the non-raiders to help fill, the closest that comes to it are adventure forays but then they do meme shit like Occult Crescent which took over a year to release and the "endgame" for it was just more hardcore raider content.
Meanwhile they'll focus on stupid shit like Cosmic Exploration, something that a decent % of the player base can't even engage with because they neither craft or gather.
Dawntrail is going to unironically end with Ishgard Restoration 2 having significantly more content than the Adventure Foray, which is some next level fuckery that they sat down at meetings as a group and decided on that path.

They need to focus, concentrate, and deliver stuff that works. Nobody is going to resub for deep dungeons, cosmic exploration, variants, and the other fluff because player perception is that it's the "hardcore raiding and story game" which means nothing else is worth the dosh.
And they'd be correct for the most part, even if the game has way more things than story and raiding, players perception is effectively "The customer is always right" for vidya.
Double down on what the game is viewed as or try to focus on a 3 pillars instead of 7-9.

>>736398594
Literally who asked? You sure do dedicate your time to these threads 24/7. Do they not talk to you enough?

>>736399239
They have been doing that in Dawntrail, anon. DT has more content for hardcore raider than any other expansion, all the 'different shit' as you put it, always catered to raiders forst. Chaotic? Raider content. Fork Tower? Raider content. Quantum? Raider content. Citerion? Raider content.

Both the Foray as well as the Deep Dungeon got bent into shape so they could funnel people into raiding shit. Advanced is the first time in Dawntrail they made casual combat content.

It does not work, it doesn't matter if the raidfags are the loudest on twitter people would rather have casual shit that more DDR raiding.

>>736398594
resident 24/7 ff14 thread squatter telling people his group is well adjusted

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>>736399483
Not even the hardcore raiders want to do Forked Tower since they made it miserable to get into the damn place but yes that's what DT has done partly.
Here's the problem, it's still unfocused, it still isn't a ton of raider content, and the patch spacing is massive because they're doing a ton of different shit still unrelated to raiding, so even the hardcore raiders generally lapse on sub for a decent while.
The lack of players however, is working as intended, as stated before hardcore raiders are not a huge population and the story people only show up for 1-2 months of a new expansion and maybe 1 month directly before a new one.

If they want to be the hardcore raider + story game they need to accept they'll be niche, forever, it's not a question or debate it's what they will be and they need to budget accordingly and cull the extra shit to better focus on it.
They can't get their cake and eat it too. They desperately want to be a bunch of things so they can pull the hardcore raider and casual crowd and it doesn't work.
When I mean focus, truly focus, I mean the story content exists, but you'll get 3 chaotics, a few ultimates, 12-20 savage 8 mans, maybe 1-2 more EXs than usual, and if they can somehow wing it 1-2 48 man savages whether they're attached to a Foray or not with weird abilities and regular "normal" mode content preceding it like CEs and NMs, even if it's unlikely from a time constraint point of view, perhaps simply 48 mans without the foray stuff entirely.

Think about it, 12 savages across 2-2.5 year long expansion cycles is not a lot.

>>736400472
>Think about it, 12 savages across 2-2.5 year long expansion cycles is not a lot.
And having 24 wouldnt solve the issue that you are overestimating how popular savage raiding is. You are falling for the trap that those people are loudest on youtube. It wouldn't be a niche game it would be a game they can't fund any more since only what 15% of the people partake in that content.

>>736376338
>>736376539
Not happening. Yoshi backtracked on making a new one by saying the entire concept of an MMO is outdated for the younger audience.
And Square will never risk another 1.0

>>736401296
why anybody would think yoshida would support making another MMO while two others by the same company are currently online is completely beyond me, i think going to show there's now people that don't know XIV already failed and rebooted once

>>736398339
>the content release schedule the game had for the majority of its life is "inhumane"
Crawl out of your own ass.

>>736399171
>>736399384
>>736399821
Remember Anon, no matter how mean you are, I appreciate you

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>>736399171
>>736399384
>>736399821
Vizex is XI/v/ culture.

>>736401673
lower graphical fidelity, less to do, unknown staff increases or decreases to spread that workload, since previous expansions, etc etc the graphical fidelity alone is objectively a higher workload than previous expansions and should require more time. whether or not that "counts" isn't up for debate since too many faggots on /v/ are more than ready to pick up a whip and lash it across a developer's back if it gets more slop into their own mouths

>>736401860
>since too many faggots on /v/ are more than ready to pick up a whip and lash it across a developer's back if it gets more slop into their own mouths
Yes, that's correct. I am the customer and they work for me. You gonna cry you faggy little champagne socialist shitstain?

>>736394127
>>736395264
Larryzaur used to be part of NEST, so did Woops.

>>736401894
quickest way to piss off an armchair manager on /v/: "not up for debate"

>>736401917
What armchair management did you imagine? I'm the customer. They work for me because they need my money. I can make any and all demands I want because they're my bitch, and so are you.

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>>736400547
I'm not falling for the trap, I literally said they'd be niche and they need to budget accordingly.
Embrace their Stormblood / early ShB sized player base that stays subbed most of the time and live on a budget that can sustain it perpetually while getting bursts in capital on expansion releases from story players.

If they want more players then they'd unironically need to cull a bunch of shit still, likely including part of the hardcore raiding stuff, and heavily lean in on Story, Adventure Forays, and Hardcore Raiding content as their three main pillars.
We're talking about things that barely work / don't work getting dropped all the same. Resources (time) spent on treasure map dungeons, deep dungeons, cosmic exploration, variants, might very well all be dumped in order to better focus on said pillars, maybe even alliance raids too.
Even then, I won't say this will guarantee players subbing to the game, hell it might already be too late with how much damage DT caused, but if we're aiming for casual / midcore players then having every single patch introduce a new area in the foray and relics / rewards to grind within them is the best they currently can do unless they invent something new entirely.
At a bare minimum expanding on Forays and having more 48 man normals (and higher) raids with them would embrace the MMO portion of the game that barely exists outside of main cities. Fuckin' hell the only other thing I can think of is Hunts and those suck ass.

>>736402098
trying too hard award

>>736402153
The communist wails when his surrogate government is held to the fire by the People. Same as it ever was.

>>736401860
>SE decides to make barely perceptible upgrades to graphics in a live service game
>this completely forgives them for increasing the time it takes for content to come out, forever
retarded tranny

>>736402573
you stupid, what's nine plus ten

>>736402602
LOL!!! Holy chocolate pudding that's so random! XD

>>736402602
Twony-Won?
>>736402702
That meme is objectively funny, cope social reject

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>>736376206
I was thinking of trying the game out, i played for a bit forever ago as a summoner, but I forget pretty much everything about the game, so what would you recommend for a new player? Any particular class?

>>736402880
Every job feels like complete shit to play until level 70 at a minimum, but Summoner always feels like complete shit and at level 100 plays like other jobs do at level 50. I wouldn't suggest playing the game at all right now but if you insist on it then do MNK.

>>736402880
none of the starting jobs for ARR are bad choices in pick up and play
pugilist has the most going on as far as melee DPS and changes to monk, conjurer is the only healer you can start as and changes to white mage

>>736402942
>>736402960
I was thinking of going for black mage so I could cosplay as vivi, since hes my favorite final fantasy character, is that class any fun?

>>736402880
Wait one month for fanfest to see if we stay capped at level 100 so they can actually fix skill distribution for lower levels.

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>>736403059
black mage is a turret rooted to the floor, slower cast times in return for very high spell power and effectively limitless MP
cosplaying vivi specifically is doable but you won't get the black mage eyes without one very specific hat from shadowbringers and it has a beard attached because it's for NES and SNES final fantasy dwarves, not black mages
vivi's coat is used outright for stormblood's black mage costume and he has pants and shoes based on him in dawntrail's historia sets, but you can chop and screw the same look a lot sooner with a realm reborn's pants dyed green and some ivalice arithmetician's boots from stormblood

>>736403071
>so they can actually fix skill distribution for lower levels.
They'll never do that, lmao

>>736403059
It's fine. Like every other job it sucks dick at lower levels. You'll just cast big explosions. It had its skill ceiling dropped to the floor a few patches ago so you basically stop growing at level 70 now.
>>736403153
>black mage is a turret rooted to the floor, slower cast times
This hasn't been true for a year now.

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>>736403206
it hasn't been true since stormblood introduced between the lines, depending on how truly pedantic about its mobility skills we feel like being, but a first-timer really isn't going to give a shit about max level misgivings and the job's design ethos, and it doesn't have the billions of mobility options we're both thinking of until the higher end of its leveling experience, again not relevant for a first-timer

>>736403206
I like the sound of big explosions, im getting ready to start the installer now, I was wondering if you could specialize in certain elements? Id like to use a lot of lightning spells if possible because I think lightning magic is the coolest.

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Off topic question, but what happened to the folder dumpy schizo? I took a long break from 4chan and I never see him in these threads anymore

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i just finished the last 7.4 cutscene
jesus christ that was some of the most egregious exposition dumping i think i've ever seen out of this game
it literally doesn't matter where they go or what they do with this story in terms of plot/setting/characters because they can't write dialogue to save their fucking lives and it's going to be dogshit no matter what

>>736403530
no specs aren't a thing for this game, what you see is what you get with jobs. thunder's alternating spell levels are single target DoT (thunder, 3, "high thunder") and multi target DoT (2, 4, "high thunder 2")
>>736403586
he whines and argues and schizos out still but he can't spam pics anymore because captcha changes killed a lot of spam proxies

>>736403661
Alright, thanks for the info, once im done downloading and Im in the game and everything ill drop my name or whatever I have to drop so anyone here can friend me if theyd like

>>736403628
Everyone has been saying the game sucks dick now dude, where have you been?

>>736403628
yeah we talked about this like months ago

god this game sucks *continues to pay monthly*

>>736404452
>msq patch i didn't care for
THE GAME'S OVER IT'S FINISHED

>>736404350
unsubbed
>>736404418
>we
not me, obviously

>>736404467
Are you going to pretend you haven't been in these threads with the one lone guy saying?
>7.4 iS gEtTiNg BeTtEr EvRyOnE iS cOmInG bAcK tO ThE gAmE!!!1

>>736383605
The answer has been staring people in the face for nearly twenty years now. Roblox, Minecraft, Fortnite to an extent - you make it so they can make their own entertainment. problem is japanese devs don't know how to be so 'user customization' friendly. Like if we got an ability to make your own dungeons in a game WOW would let people come up with all sorts of wild and creative shit.

XIV would be putting down 1x1 deep dungeon cell blocks

>>736385298
If it's Jan or Feb it's fine.
If it's july they are fucked beyond belief

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I got kicked out of college for cyberstalking an FFXIV e-girl and the FBI also showed up at my door twice threatening to open a criminal case against me if I continued

I also had a risk protection order filed against me for the same incident, which means I can't own guns or ammunition, always get selected for secondary screening at airports, and have permanent public court records tied to my real name which label me as a creepy mentally ill stalker

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>>736405082
Why

>>736405082
cool made up story, retarded frog iphone poster

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>>736394816
sadly, you need to be WoL level of accomplished to have a chance at that

is there another current ddos attack?

>>736385298
Square puts less and less money into the project. 8.0 might be the last proper expansion, anything beyond that might be DLC story lines like the did at the end of XI.

>>736405419
>Square puts less and less money into the project.
source?

>>736405447
Yoshida when he admitted they don't have resources for a casual version of FT.

>>736405447
The source is that content takes longer to come, are you a fucking retard? There's isn't even any way to argue against it.

>>736405378
yep I'm getting constant dcs

>>736405598
If money was what sped up production, AAA games shouldn't take a decade to release.

>>736405082
typical male au ra

>>736405378
the only "ddos" happening is players playing.. that is just their excuse for shit servers.

>>736405982
i thought the game was dead?
that's what /v/ keeps telling me.

>>736406061
the game is dead and i'm going to screech at you if you say otherwise

>>736405378
Time to kill another nip fansite.

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>>736405343
why do cats in game have negative ass?

>>736406319
tl;dr reason it's easier to consistently model among the hyur skeleton races if they all have flat asses

>>736406319
because japanese don't worship obese women

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So Anon, why do you play as a female character?

>>736406357
That is the first time someone gave me a good explanation.

>>736406371
I genuinely think female heroes are cool and seeing a female WoL is great.

>>736406371
To make you specifically a little less happy.

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>>736406371
because i want to be a brat

>>736406507
Welcome back, Cocobutt. Were you a productive potato today?

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>>736406371
I just made a character I wanna fuck because I was told you see your character a lot on this game. I think people who try gaslighting you into thinking your trans are trannies in denial.

>>736406620
I just like being a female most of the time. Nicer to look at. But not one I'd wanna fuck, one I'd wanna be. But at the same time I'm not fuckin' delusional enough to think I'm a woman in any way shape or form.

>>736405126
Because I have severe OCD, and the FFXIV e-girl I was obsessed with ran a Twitter page where she claimed she was God. I became delusional, and started to believe she was really God, and that it was impossible for God to reject me. So when she blocked me, I flipped out. I’m usually not a problem for women, it was just kind of a weird thing that happened.

>>736406608
was getting my easter obligations out of the way early. decided to get together today instead of tomorrow

so tonight? tonight i will Play Final Fantasy XIV

>>736406816
You should make an Easter glam for the day. Hard mode: Don't fucking use the Bunny outfit/head or the Gold Saucer bunny uniform, though I wouldn't mind seeing you in it. or out of it ;)

>>736403351
>it hasn't been true since stormblood introduced between the lines
That's bullshit and you know it. Being able to move back to one location for 20 seconds every two minutes is not mobility. And you know it's bullshit because a week ago your stupid ass was in here saying BLM had to lose its long casts because it would impossible to do Dancing Green if they didn't.

>>736405447
Yoshida saying they didn't have resources for FT normal mode or the BLU update.

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>>736407175
>Being able to move ... is not mobility.
>a week ago your stupid ass was in here saying BLM had to lose its long casts because it would impossible to do Dancing Green if they didn't.
i couldn't have destroyed my own credibility in an anonymous internet conversation any harder if i was specifically trying to

>>736407361
Not him, but Mobility typically means more accessible than every 2 mins. Even the WHM dash is only 1min, and Picto is like 20-30sec cooldown + comes with a sprint. Static moving every 2mins is a cooldown at best, not mobility.

>>736407361
Being able to zip to one specific location for 20 seconds if you prepared in advanced is a very very limited mobility. It's far and away from half a dozen on-demand instant casts that can be freely slipped into your rotation at any time.

BLM is a turret but it's always been able to move all over the place but it was impossible to do Dancing Green unless they stopped making it a turret which it wasn't because it could always move freely. Go to college.

I wish ff14 was good, I miss my lalafell.

>>736407413
mobility is mobility, may as well say nobody has a mobility skill unless they're a ranged physical if black mage having two to-target teleports (aetherial manipulation and btl) aren't mobility in the true sense
but the other guy is also getting so unbelievably fuck-ass mad about it he started vagueposting, so who knows

>>736407535
I only consider it mobility if you can actually use it multiple times in a fight without preparing for it in case I fuck up or get greedy on a longer cast(e.g; Picto re-paints), and you won't be doing that on a 2min cooldown + less on-demand setup enough imo. It's a movement skill yes, but it's not mobility.

>>736406371
He's a man, doctor, he just looks like a girl. I understand, it's an easy mistake to make.

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>i want jobs to be fun, not hard and for parsetrannies
>ok blm is easier and fun to play now
>NO NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!!

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This is my Hrothgal.

>>736378767
People actually do Extremes on PF?

>>736407679
>Hard
>Parsetranny
But they hate hard jobs. That's why they played BLM over RDM and never even considered touching MNK until they got GL removed.

>>736407679
>it's fun to play because it has absolutely no gameplay or mechanics to consider

>>736407772
this but for black mage
>don't stand in bad
>don't use ice spells during fire unless you're out of MP
brain go off, magic go brrrr

>>736407751
>>736407772
don't care cope and seethe parsetrannies

blm was too hard for my casual ass and it's actually fun to play now in stuff. i am having fun :)

>>736407679
Don't try to reason with raid trannies. They're retarded and self hating. Just look at the replies to your post.
I hope they make more jobs simple like BLM and VPR instead of hardcore fag classes for no life raiders.

>>736407835
>>736407898
>fun is when the game plays itself for you
Have you considered gachashit?

>>736407742
PF is where you recruit people. DF is the automatic version

>>736399239
I think a big problem of Crafters is how brain numbing it actually is, Genuinely just so simple and toughtless that you can use like a couple of macros to craft anything that matters.
Unironically I think that crafting needs a complete rework to make it interesting to engage with and not something you only do because you've heard it eventually makes good money

>>736408008
Oh yeah my bad got them mixed for some reason

>>736407898
But raiders love BLM and VPR because they're free damage they don't have to think about during their dance routine. Those jobs are boring as fuck for people who actually play the majority of content because there's nothing to do.

>>736399239
I would rather they cut Eureka shit entirely for more Ishgard restoration style content.

>>736406620
that's one cute fiddy

>>736407967
>>736408095
Cope raidfags. Your tears are delicious.

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>>736407142
how's this?

>>736406608
Wow, even a pet nickname from his biggest fan!

>>736408332
He can't be Cocoli's biggest fan because I'M Cocoli's niggest fan

>>736408238
Raiders love VPR and nu-BLM though. The numbers are there for you to look at. They never played BLM until it became free damage.

>>736408432
I am firmly convinced BLM/VPR are templates for the big 8.0 job rework. They want jobs to be completely brain dead so they can balance around the encounters.

>>736407679
is it actually funner though? truly asking. i didn't like black mage at most points in the game because i dislike how much the class revolves around its runes

>>736408732
>balance around the encounters
Does that mean they will make fun encounters, or will it remain the same style trash combat we have now?

>>736408732
they changed basically nothing about how black mage actually works which is hardly an indictment of the upcoming job sensibilities changes

>>736408775
basically black mage lost its timer based failure state and now its failure state is just "your stupid ass isn't casting anything, currently"

>>736408775
yes now i can just play it like the other casters instead of being expected to make a spreadsheet like some raidtroon

>>736408840
>>736408886
>actually nothing changed because you don't do damage if you don't press buttons
You know samefagging doesn't make your post any less retarded.

>>736408294
The hair flowers works, but the dress is too Tavern Wenchy and not at all colored for easter. Plus you know you like showing off a little bit of skin at least, every other glam you make does it

>>736408332
See >>736387056 's image. Your simping for simping only makes me simp that much harder.

>>736409287
sniping at me doesn't mean you have a point

You see they didn't actually change BLM at all because they had to change it or it couldn't do the new content design because nothing actually changed because it's always been this way and that's why it's better after the change that didn't happen.

>>736409314
You're actually trying to claim that nothing about the mechanics changed because you still press buttons. It's completely absurd and you know it.

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>>736409359
i'm not really taking you seriously when you're whining on cooldown, anon, completely absurd yourself off a cliff

>>736407709
Futa tops are a blessing and there aren't enough of those.

>>736409382
>ACTUALLY I NEVER CARED AT ALL AND I'M DONE WITH THIS!
What exactly is your goal here? We both know you not only don't play BLM, but you don't play the game at all.

>>736409321
And Esuna didn't lose its cast time so the first phase of CodCar was possible since Ozma wanted a reflex test for healers.

>>736409519
Making these balance changes for single fights is some of the dumbest shit they've ever done.

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>>736409517
>other party is a stinky butt doodoo pants who literally doesn't play the game
>still lose argument

>>736409571
DT was especially bad about it. I assume the encounter design team was elevated to call the shots from now on and the Job design team kinda has to cuck.

>>736409580
>i won because... i just did okay!!!
You're suggesting that because you still have to press buttons to play the game, the job design didn't change. You know that's stupid. You know it's completely dishonest.

>>736405569
this is dumb because the next OC raid will have both.

>>736409672
And all they had to do to make it happen was cut a criterion and the BLU update.

>>736409672
probably yoshida was lying out of his asshole about only having the resources for one difficulty, but if he *wasn't* that would partly explain why BLU's update for this expansion went away with the normal mode for next OC being guaranteed
foolish either way to have prioritized savage the first time around

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>most of the female cats in the U tribe talk about when they get knocked up next
Can we get more Miqo'te lore/story? Please? I don't care for anyone in DT..

>>736409672
Because they saw that no one was doing the savage version and it ruined the entire OC experience. I think slowly they begin to realize that hardcore content is not what the game needs.

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>>736409298
not the best colors but i think its the best i'm capable of right now thats not just slapping on an old seasonal set

>>736390339
Because ARR was actually good, and it was retards insisting it was bad and you had to rush through it to get to endgame ASAP that ruined it for new players who then did that and THAT actually just fucking sucks.

>>736409821
Cute enough, though the boots seem a bit much, should be footwear that's more slipper-y or sandal-y, but I'll take it.

You really don't mod at all, though? Not even a little just to make spicy pictures more interesting than vanilla? Doesn't have to be full blown modbeast or anything.

>>736410038
GTFO modtard.

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>>736410038
i'm a no mods purist. sorry. as for slippers i don't have any on me that work with the stockings

>>736409701
normal OC raid is far more important than that. but its more likely they're not actually cutting anything and they really didn't think people wanted a normal mode

Hello, im still waiting for the game to download, I was curious if the crafting jobs are worth pursuing? Like can I make gear better than what I find earlier on or is it more of a late game thing thats gets you the best stuff but only at max level? I know in MMOs crafting is normally expensive to pursue so I figured id ask. Also, I decided im gonna make a black mage once its done downloading, but the good news is I found the details for my old account back from when I played a little, so I can show that character off once the game is downloaded if anyone cares to see it.

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>>736410281
>but its more likely they're not actually cutting anything and they really didn't think people wanted a normal mode
I am inclined to believe they are actually this stupid

>>736410281
>they really didn't think people wanted a normal mode
Are you retarded? OC is completely worthless without a capstone raid and its arguably needed to grind out the gold needed in a reasonable time.

What they actually thought is what they said: That veteran players would talk weaker ones through it, and that figuring the place out would be huge fun for everyone. It just shows how far removed they are from the actual playerbas, since raiders want nothing to do with normal players and the 3 strike rule makes progging FT ab absolute nightmare.

>>736410483
its worth doing yes, and you can craft gear for yourself thats about on par with dungeon loot of the same level

>>736376206
I don't think it will be "saved" but beyond additional monetization I don't see how it can get any worse.

>>736410491
>>736410578
yeah. i do genuinely believe they're not lazy, they're retarded

>>736410483
Its generally irrelevant for leveling combat classes. The current best crafter gear is always equal in power to what the current normal mode raid drops. So at he start of raid patches its very sought after since gear is time gated by weekly drops. Further into the patch its used primarily be new/returning players to catch up.

more trans.

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>>736410663
>they're retarded
Fair enough.

>>736410693
So basically just seek out gear while im leveling and forget about crafting stuff early on? Or perhaps is there a specific level I can start at where it will be worth it that isnt the max level?

>>736410785
you will be able to craft more powerful versions of npc bought gear as you level.

the main schtick is that leveling is really, really fast till you hit the 70s

so you CAN pimp yourself out every 5 levels if you wish, but you'll only be using that equipment for a few hours at best. you can use it for other classes as well and some items, like accessories, last longer. being able to keep your weapon updated is the single most useful thing about crafting at low levels

>>736410875
Okay gotcha, I like the idea of using something I made myself so I might just do that, thank you for the info

>>736410785
Crafting on the free trial seems like a huge hassle since you can't use the market board. If you really want to then I would at least wait until you unlock flying in the relevant zones since you'll have to gather all your own materials. I would recommend you do the daily turn ins at your grand company which will give you nearly a full level of xp for hq shit.

>>736410785
Crafting gear isn't that worth it until Heavensward and even then a lot of the older content throws gear at you so you can progress pass the item level requirements. You can always hit max level and go back and do the repeatable quests to level. Getting 1 gatherer and 1 crafter leveled makes the others have small exp bonuses too. Vendors wil also sell you stuff you could have crafted but will be "NQ" (normal quality, normal stats). High Quality will give you a bit more stats so crafted gear can last longer. While if you do level as you progress you can also repair your own gear and give it more durability and be able to meld for further stats. They made crafting and gathering a lot easier with dailies later on.

>>736410578
>veteran players will drag new players through it

they will actually. ffxiv's community is really good about that. it just has to be possible to corpsewalk to the finish line. if it were ACTUALLY possible to 12 man codcar, you'd bet people would drag newbies through it

>>736410663
Obviously. The fact that they went back to their shitty rng entry system despite DR being by far the most successful field op raid is proof enough.

>>736411096
>ffxiv's community is really good about that.
I will admit I have been positively surprised how gentle and friendly everyone involved in Advanced was. However, in any other content the XIV community is really bad about this, fflogs/tomestone and all.

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>>736410578
>What they actually thought is what they said: That veteran players would talk weaker ones through it, and that figuring the place out would be huge fun for everyone.
This is a genuinely boggling mindset when you put out a piece of content where one person can annihilate an entire 48 man group
I remember having 3 runs in a row on the first week where someone aimed the ball on the trio boss wrong and annihilated everyone
Cloud of Darkness Chaotic was already like this, and it only had 24 people
You cannot brute force stupid players through this content, it would be more popular if you could

>>736410281
Shame on both counts, but at least you can find some shoes. I had a useful website for finding specific glamour gear, but it seems to be gone from my history. C'est la vie. Dem thighs, tho.

>>736411553
>stupid players
Especially for FT and Chaotic getting hit by a gotchas in that content and wiping the raid by that does not make a player stupid, it is literally what the content has been created for. I really wish ARR grogs who had a decade of getting gud would be a bit more patient with newer/weaker players. Otherwise the raiding scene will fucking die and that is not something anyone wants.

I probably should just wait until fanfest to see if I have to buy yawntrail