Nintendo had exclusives...
They did what Nintendont
>>736378559Sony had a DVD player
>>736378672So you're saying DVDs are more appealing than Nintendo games...
PS2 had third party exclusives because nintendo was retarded enough to not put dvds a year after Sony's console did
What the fuck is a vsmile? A vagina?
>>736378559At least half those sales are from absolute casuals who mostly wanted a DVD player and maybe bought 2 gameAlso, it was 150 millions for the longest time until the Switch threatened (and beat) that record
>>736380421>>736378724
>>736378672this at the start then this game happened
brownstation 2
>>736378559>>736378559>>736378559>PS1 momentum>DVD player in the age of DVD>most in sync with the YTK ghost in the shell esthetic>most gamesthat being said i will always defend the gamecube, though perhaps a financial failure, as Nintendo's last great home console generation. Switch is real cool but games wise Nintendo is not even close to its originality & output.
>>736378559wtf was the v.smile
I don't know a single person that purchased a ps2 for the dvd player
>>736380284Kek
>>736378559Dumb kids wanted the edgy marketing. Worst case scenario that Xbox/PS became successful honestly for the industry
>>736384369The only reason I was able to talk my dad into buying me one was the DVD player.
GC had great games but they were all baby shit
>>736384369Same. My dad bought it to play Tiger Woods
>>736384583This, glad Xbox/PS are dying and those faggots that ruined gaming are paying for it.
PlayStation fans are so pathetic
playstation mogged the N64, so the momentum shifted to PS2 and the DVD player was the slam dunk. dreamcast gets all this revisionist praise for "being ahead of its time" but every one of these consoles did everything dreamcast had but better.
>>736385072Nintendo is killing gaming
>>736384369A friend of mine did. Or rather, his dad.That said, the DVD thing is a bit overhyped: by 2003 DVD players had become extremely cheap. My family picked one up, along with Finding Nemo, for around €50-60 that Christmas.Everyone I knew bought a PS2 mainly for FF10 and KH, Square was huge back then.
Not a lot of replies, yet this thread is already revealing quite a lot about why Nintendofags are such miserable sales-focused vindictive cunts now
>>736385757The DVD thing is cope from salty tendies. Their king got beaten comprehensively in Gen 6 and they need a reason why.
>>736378559SONY paid off all the reviewers and media outlets.
>>736378559People are keep mentioning DVD Player and yeah that's part of it. But the PS3 also had Blu Ray, strong internet support, and free online gaming and didn't have the same momentum. It comes down to other reasons like>Early release in 2000>Backwards compatibility with PS1>Many iconic exclusives and tons of third party games>Huge demographics range with a variety of game genres. There was literally a game for everyone.>For what you got the PS2 was cheaply priced>Finally culture. Playstation was THE console in the 1990s and early 2000s. But Xbox 360 released in 2005 and Nintendo was no longer competing with Sony with the Wii, so PS3 didn't have the same momentum.
i'm a nintendo fag i got a gamecube for christmas when it launched. i wanted melee and luigis mansion, i stuck to it for a while but then i got a PS2 and eventually and xbox. i only had a dreamcast as a "retro" novelty
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>>736378559>DVD player at the right time so it was an appealing product even for soccermoms with 0 interest in gaming>Nintendo and Sega did their best to cripple most of their momentum during the previous gen with the 64 not being cd based and the Saturn doing its best to bomb in the west. Ps1 has massive momentum due to this>The dreamcast was great in comparison to current gen hardware but it was quickly outclassed and sega had no resources left>Nintendo kept being retarded and used another strange format instead of just regular DVDs. It also lacked any of the gimmicks that made the PS2 and Xbox really appealing despite having good games.>The first Xbox entered the battle way too late and lacked exclusives that were appealing for plenty of demographics
>>736385976No one cared about Blu Ray. DVD was considered to be an upgrade over VHS and other formats by almost everyone. Back when the ps3 released not a lot of people had HD tvs yet also, meanwhile anyone with a tv could enjoy all the benefits of the dvd
>>736386948>Nintendo kept being retarded and used another strange format instead of just regular DVDs. It also lacked any of the gimmicks that made the PS2 and Xbox really appealing despite having good games.Nintendo used those mini DVDs to stop piracy and yes they were obsessed about piracy since forever. Also the Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2. If the Gamecube just used normal DVDs it would have attracted more third-party games and it probably wouldn't have done so poorly in Nintendo's eyes.
>>736385843The weird thing is, the GBA was selling retardedly well (pre-COVID Switch levels, as a matter of fact) for most of the generation, but they killed its momentum after just three years with the DS.
>>736378559>v.smile???
>>736387491They just greedy
Purple was a gay colour
Those figures are wrong.I found it million unaccounted for PS2s in my attic.Please update it.
>>736385976blu-ray was a blip on the radar. it was nowhere near near as significant of an upgrade as dvds were. then streaming came along and blew physical movies out of the water with its unparalleled convenience>free online gamingonly saving graceyou're also forgetting>$599 US DOLLARSwhich was insane considering the wii launched at $250 and the 360 was $400and the lack of easy piracy further hampered its adoption and strongly favored the 360 early on
>>736378559Sony had a DVD player with PS1 Backwards Compatibility.
>>736384583My grandparents owned one that they seemingly only used as a DVD player.
>>736378559PS2 was so dominant that even iPad clones/mobile consoles in the modern day still haven't surpassed it.
>>736378559Ps2 was just op. It was fully backwards compatible with Ps1, so even though the launch games sucked it didn't matter. And their 2001 lineup was insanely high quality. And of course it was a DVD player too. And it was affordable too. Sony basically had the gen won in 2001 before Xbox or gcn even hit the market.
>>736378559PS gained third parties favour (enabling their lazyness or flat out good work is up in the air)Name recognition from the manufacturer company PLUS momentum from the previous, widely, succesful previous systemCheaper price making it competitiveThat's basically it. >>736378653Both made games. PS2 only had far more than others.
>>736387491>but they killed its momentum after just three years with the DS.Not much of an issue since DS had backwards compat with GBA. And then... NDS took off big time on its own.
>>736387491The idea allegedly was that the DS wouldn't replace the GBA outright, and that's why we got Mystery Dungeon Red and Blue for GBA and DS, but we know how that worked out.
>>736387491They needed an answer to the psp. Ds was that answer. Nintendo could not have the gba being the psp's direct competitor. The difference in tech level would have simply been to stark.It's weird how the Gameboy line died off despite always being immensely popular but oh well guess thats life.
>>736393765Gen 7 was the weirdest Gen. Wii sold so well but had like zero games. I don't think a console has even been so successful sales wise but had such a sorry library of titles. And the few games it did get fans had to beg and plead with Nintendo to bring over with that operation rainfall shit.360 did so good the first half and then just imploded. I don't think a system has even been so successful only to to absolutely just fuck it's shit up halfway through the race.And I don't think I've ever seen a console turn things around like the ps3 did. Very impressive second halfIt also went on forever.
>>736395159>Wii sold so well but had like zero games.>Wii Sports = insanely popular and the perfect tech demo of all time>Wario Ware Smooth moves>CoD3 with newer style for controls>Elebtis>excite truck>DBZ Tenkaichi 2>Zelda Twilight princess>Trauma center 2nd opinion>Supaidaman and speed for sneed>like zero games
>>736395342This is such a shit list of games mate. I mean fucking elebits and excite truck come the fuck on.
>>736395525Hey, don't talk shit about Elebits.
>>736395159>>736395525>I don't think a console has even been so successful sales wise but had such a sorry library of titles.PS4. Sold 7-10 million units with ZERO games aside... Knack. But if you want we could talk about Xbone's and PS5 release line ups as well but I don't think they'd look any good.
>>736378559>Nintendo had exclusives...And not much else. They continued having issues with third parties and the best multiplats of the generation generally skipped Gamecube.>>736385976The PS3 was six hundred goddamn dollars on release and was such a pain to program for that many of its earliest games were very unimpressive.
>>736395525>shitting on motherfucking Excite Truck
>>736395783>But if you want we could talk about Xbone's and PS5 release line ups as well but I don't think they'd look any good.Consoles have been dead since Gen 7 basically yea. The only proof Gen 8 even happened was bloodborne, Witcher 3, and nier automata. >>736395576>>736395847To each their own. I feel bad for people stuck with a wii that Gen. If you modded it it was an excellent secondary system. Especially if you didn't own a GameCube in gen 6. But if you compare the snes or the Ps1 or ps2 games library to the wiis its a huge difference in both quantity and quality. The previous Gen winners had stellar libraries whereas wii had huge droughts between quality game releases. Worse than even the GCN.
>>736396327>To each their own. I feel bad for people stuck with a wii that GenCan't tell if cope or seethe. It's shrimple; the people who overlooks the Wii with prejudice are those "serious "gamers"" that went on to become a literal meme shortly after. Wii was a great system on its even if underused>If you modded it it was an excellent secondary systemI'd say those are Wii U and 3DS.>The previous Gen winners had stellar libraries whereas wii had huge droughts between quality game releases. Worse than even the GCN.Yeah, except that was a reality for all the systems in that gen.
>>736396669I love Nintendo. But for a system that sold more than 100 million units, wiis lineup is pretty sorry with long gaps between good releases. The gwnecube had a stronger line up but sold 1/5th as much and wii never had a year like GCN had in 2002 where it's non stop bangers all year.Developers did the wii dirty and either ignored it or gave it low effort ports. It deserved better. And honestly alot of those developers killed themselves being so quick to embrace HD gaming despite how expensive it was. Nintendo gave smaller studios an out with the wii and alot of them ignored them only to bankrupt themselves making HD titles. Rip cave etc
>>736397204>The gwnecube had a stronger line up but sold 1/5th as much and wii never had a year like GCN had in 2002 where it's non stop bangers all year.Sadly, intentions and worth don't translate into the audience's actions so GC underperformed despite all that and Wii had a cucked thriving.
>>736395783PS4 had full 3rd party support and XBOX One was dogshit.
>>736398746>full 3rd party support so nothing of worth, thank you.
Wait a minute, don't Nintendo fans constantly say that sales are a metric for quality? So what's with all these excuses about how the Ps2 didn't actually deserve to sell 160 million units?
>>736399117by what metric? ps4 sold 117m and ps5 is at 92m with mostly multiplat/third party
Only Americans cared about the Xbox. It barely existed outside of America.
The PS2 made it really easy to pirate games, and actually had games worth pirating. The PS3 was also so expensive that the PS2 stuck around for a good while after it came out, especially in poorer countries.
>>736399243>by what metric?multiplats. software easily found everywhere is not worth, let alone worth the purchase for a specific system.>>736399307hey, man! 360's success made xbox a thing in the rest of the continent.
>>736399423you're the type of guy who will buy third party on your switch 2 though
>>736399423Yeah I know. I had a 360. I meant the og xbox had no relevance outside America.
>>736399416Similar for Switch now
>>736399423why did they sell 117m ps4s then? what exclusives did it even have?
>>736399452No, I don't. I only buy third party in systems if it's 1) dirt cheap as $10 or lower or 2) exclusive = making it worth buying a system for and/or play their game if interest me enoughI'd buy/play Pokopia if it gets a non-keycard physical release but I doubt that.
>>736378559DVD playerCD playerContinued to be produced and sold in South America for like 10 years.
>>736399629>why did they sell 117m ps4s then?The competition shat the bed marketing-wise, both of them. So yeah, makes sense those numbers + cheaper prices along the way
>>736399640the third party support on consoles is just too juicy. its hard to resist. i bought most of my third party on ps5 even though i have a pc lmao i just like ityou will probably fall to it eventually
>>736399686so you still haven't answered for exclusives not mattering. Bloodborne was practically it's only exclusive and only sold like 7m or so copies.
it had video games
>>736399194It’s called being a retarded fanboy. The most hilarious part is how they switch their arguments 180 degrees from one generation to another.Your system wins the generation and sells the most? It’s obviously because it was the best and had better games.Your system loses the generation and sells less than the competition? It’s obviously because the competition did something shady and tricked the masses into buying something with lower quality.
>>736399710>the third party support on consoles is just too juicy. its hard to resist.Not at all, it has to be good first. Which was the case for the 2nd and last time third party support was worth a damn. >i bought most of my third party on ps5 even though i have a pc lmao>PS5 No wonder, you had no games so had to cope somehow.>you will probably fall to it eventuallyNo, I won't. Otherwise I wouldn't have my record of 20 years without doing it. Again; if it's not worth or super cheap, I don't buy and multiplats are literal game system fodder.
>>736399753>so you still haven't answered for exclusives not matteringBut they did matter; Wii U was held by a thread because of it while Xbone fell of a cliff without it. And PS4's worth because it had BB
>>736399853if you dont count astro bot and gran turismo as exclusives then your switch 2 doesnt have any eithersorry
>>736399908most ps4s that were sold didnt even know what bloodborne was though
>>736399787Certainly helps when like, every month for the first 3 years has some of the best in their respective series, and it's like 30 series.
>>736399909>if you dont count astro bot and gran turismo as exclusives then your switch 2 doesnt have any either>your I don't have a Switch 2, projection-chan. Also>Mario Kart World>DK Bananza>DevHelltroid Prime 4>Kirby Air RidersIt has at least 3 exclusives in less than a year vs the 2 or so on PS5 in 5 years.
>>736399954Doesn't matter if it flew over their heads, bloodborne machine being a thing only enhanced the effect and BB sold amazing on top of that on its own.
>>736399985ps5 also had plenty of timed exclusives and stuff PC had to wait years for. ps5 exclusives are also of much higher quality than competitors, like switch 2 or xbox x/s
>>736394943It didn't die off, what do you think the switch is?
>>736399629PS4 had a bunch of games. Only later on were they ported.
>MUH GAMESYou faggots keep talking like we're on 2000 or early 2010.Exclusives don't really matter anymore like they used to. The PS4 sold really well and had no games when compared to the PS3 (yeah, not even the PS1 or PS2) and the PS5 is also doing well and literally has nothing. And so is the switch 2.The importance of exclusives has dropped to bottom levels.
>>736400163trvth
>>736378559>PS2 numbers being updated in 2024
>>736384369Do you know a single person that purchased a PS2, as in not 'had one in their house' but 'paid the money for it'?
>>736400297why would it even be that hard to believe they were sitting on the numbers though? 160m is not that unbelievable for a relatively cheap piece of revolutionary tech at the time when the world was getting into it.
>>736400067>metacriticsDon't cope. Astrobot was a meme game of its month.>>736400163>Exclusives don't really matter anymore like they used to.Ask Xbox how it went for them then. So yeah, nigger; muh games. What the fuck matters more for a game system? TV?!>The PS4 sold really well and had no games when compared to the PS3PS3 had less games, what are you on about?
>>736400507so you are saying since PS5 sold 92.2m units that it does in fact have games?
>>736400470>why would it even be that hard to believe they were sitting on the numbers though?YES. That card oly works once and they pulled it when NDS beat PS2's numbers, updating numbers in 2024 is a blatant lie since the system ended manufacturing in 2013 or so.
>>736400507>PS3 had less gamesPS3 has a weak exclusive lineup, but it actually has an exclusive lineup. The PS4 had like a dozen games total and the PS5's entire exclusive lineup for the whole generation, with the known announcement of the ps6 around the corner, is literally just astrobot.
>>736400589to be fair they were clearly just sitting on much more than they let on.did you really expect them to just blurt out the final figure so competitors could strategize around it? 155m lead nintendo maybe to believing that they only had to produce a little bit more than that to catch it but in reality there was a little more to it
>>736400470>wait a decade to report 5 million sales >wait several years again to report 5 million more >both times line up to a nintendo console about to outsell the PS2>snoys get angry when anyone questions this this also has to factor in the assumption that literally every PS2 ever made was sold, and not a single one was lost stolen or damaged, even display and demo units were sold to customers
>>736400551No. I'm saying PS5 sold +70million units because sales and not having competition to average consumer's eyes. It helps when you create the narrative where the leading platform is somehow "not competing with you" so most ignore Switch in that regard.And that's leaving out most of PS5 are because backwards compat users playing their PS4 games and Blu-rays so a good chunk was sold not for games but features.So yeah; PS5 has no gaems lol
>>736400695they didnt say 160m were sold directly through to customers, just that 160m were sold to retailers to the public, most of which likely found homes, vast majority in fact
>>736400163Then why doesn't everyone play on PC.
>>736378724For a gargantuan amount of people the PS2 was 1-2 Madden/FIFA games and the dvd player.
>>736400731yes but if exclusives matter at all why does it even exist? blu ray doesnt mean much anymore and the ps4 back compat is all for mainly multiplats.
>>736400647so the DS sold more than 154 million? the switch 1 number must be much higher then
>>736400769You still don't understand we're on a different era. Back then during the 7th gen or even early 8th gen you could build a PC for 200/300 more bucks that mogged consoles and could run ports way better.Nowaday, firstly because of bitcoins and then because of AI, PC gaming prices have skyrocked. You need more than 1000 bucks now, which outprices most people and therefore makes PC less threatening for the console market.
>>736400646>PS3 has a weak exclusive lineup, but it actually has an exclusive lineup.Fair enough. Despite BB being top tier, PS3's very few games actually felt as an exclusive line up to offer to the audience>>736400647>did you really expect them to just blurt out the final figure so competitors could strategize around it?Yes, that's what they all do. Nintendo never extends the previous system for long when the new one releases this is why their numbers never show "magically" 10 million units a decade later or so. Sony is bullshitting its way with that.
>>736400806ds and switch are reported as sold-in just like Ps2 was. 154.02m DS shipped to retailers155.37m Switch shipped to retailers>160m PS2 shipped to retailers. I do wonder if the final figure can be matched
>>736400507PS4 has 53 exclusives (4 of which are just sports game yearly iterations)PS3 has 173 exclusives. PS5 has 7, 3 of which are tech demos.
>>736378559Part of it was thanks to the momentum inherited from the PS1. Sony became the face of gaming overnight, just as the industry truly became mainstream. This helped the PS2 become the default lead development platform for the majority of games.Then there's the fact that the DVD player was a huge selling point back then. Dedicated players were expensive and DVDs were far more practical and boasted higher quality than VHS. For families, the gaming part was just a bonus.Finally, the PS2 had an unnaturally long lifespan. Third world countries bought the shit out of it because it was so cheap, easy to mod for piracy and HD adoption was kinda slow. The Wii being massively underpowered meant that the PS2 was still getting new games through the entirety of the seventh gen. Also, the PS3 was shit and too expensive for most people.Now look at the competition. The Dreamcast had some neat features, but was outclassed in specs and Sega had a shit reputation they couldn't hope to recover from. The GameCube was released too late and the miniDVDs were clearly an inferior storage solution, not to mention Yamauchi burned a few too many bridges with third-parties during the previous gen. Then there was the Xbox, which was a fucking powerhouse, but was also released too late to compete, with Microsoft still being unproven in the market anyway.
>>736400796And that was 8 times more appealing than the Nintendo?
>>736399416every console is easy to pirate games for eventually, it doesn't effect sales
>>736400881to be fair sony did report their total console sales obviously they were obfuscated by ps3 sales as well but researchers have done the math. it's theoretical final sales were minimum 158m and maximum like 161.9m 160.6m or around there is almost right between
The PS2 is overrated. Sure it had some good exclusives, but its competitors did too. Meanwhile a ton of the system selling exclusives of the PS2 are not good at all in hindsight. Take for example the fact that a huge selling point for the PS2 was its massive JRPG library, especially considering how tiny and anemic the GCN and Xbox JRPG selections were. Only it turns out, JRPGS fucking suck, PS2 era ones suck especially hard. Or look at how the PS2 was the objectively inferior way to play multiplat games in third place behind the GCN and Xbox, which actually mattered because that was the first generation where true multiplat games became the norm. The biggest reasons the PS2 won it's generation are things that have no effect on actual game quality in a modern emulation context, namely that it won against it's competitors because it 1:Beat them to market, 2: Was cheaper, 3: was the worlds cheapest DVD player for free, and 4: Was easier for poor third-worlders to pirate for.
>>736400893did you really expect them to just blurt out the final figure so competitors could strategize around it? clearly nintendo is sitting on the real DS and switch 1 numbers
>>736378559>Dreamcast launched way too early and was a half-assed hail mary after the disaster that was the Sega Saturn>Sega died>PS2 launched and had absolutely no real competition for a year and a halfYou can say this or that, but ultimately at the end of the day if you wanted a new console in the year 2000 and for most of 2001 your only choice was a PS2. Their high failure rate didn't hurt numbers either but it didn't fucking matter because you didn't have a choice.Xbox got some decent mileage out of being the new kid on the block, Halo, plus courting favor with Sega's stable.Nintendo struggled with an anemic launch lineup and the middling reception to what should have been its tentpoles in Mario Sunshine and the infamous Wind Waker, as well as struggling to operate with the market pivot towards shooters and open world games.
>>736400946if they could have one upped it they would have.only difference between the two is that sony actually pulled through to 160m, the other two did not
>>736400805>yes but if exclusives matter at all why does it even exist?Who are you talking about specifically?>blu ray doesnt mean much anymore and the ps4 back compat is all for mainly multiplatsphysical in movies is seeing a resurgence and people moving onto the new system with backward compat as entry point is how it always has been, PS5 just had a very slow pace at it. Not many exclusives certainly played a role in that alongside the price at release.
>>736400991so what exactly are they buying on it?
>>736400987you mean sony would just make up a number higher
>>736401047we have seen the supposed final ps2 produced. and they didnt produce them unless they were shipping/selling to retailers purchasing them
>>736400893>This means Switch is bound to outsell PS2Another 5 million PS2 units sold incoming>>736400939The problem with Sony is their update timing; 10 years later of, not just the gen, but a decade after ending manufacturing of it.
>>736401031>chartInflation lol
>>736400902Yes? If you're some kind of normie living in a college dorm without a lot of disposable income who isn't actually going to play video games beyond Sportsball, why wouldn't you get the console that is a dvd player in addition to that? Remember that this was also at the tail end of the "Nintendo is for gay babies I'm a grown-up who likes to kill hookers in GTA look how Grown up I am" phase of the console wars. Normies had been trained by marketing and edge lord 2000's pop culture to not want games like Wind Waker and Mario Sunshine.
>>736401089and we've never seen a "final" DS or switch 1 so we don't know how many are made so nintendo must be hiding the real sales number
>>736401031>buyingBuying? No, son; those are services and microtransaction related. Also; those number are inflated if not a complete hoax
>>736401031Fortnite, GTA and Madden bucks, genuinely. That's been the sole driving force for income this gen.
>>736401115even adjusted to inflation its the highest. dumb ass argument>>736401102the gap from 155.37m to 160m is probably quite substantial. the ps2s figures probably represent a theoretical maximum for mainstream appeal
>>736401136I think they did for DS and 3DS but the final increase was so minimal nobody really noticed, like 1 or 2 million units. Take this with a grain of salt.
>>736401171so they are buying stuff in *games* so it has games
>>736385757The PS2 came out in 2000, when DVD players were still fairly pricey and niche. I remember reading something that said the highest add-on purchase for the PS2 was The Matrix on DVD, which made sense since the launch lineup wasn't terribly good until the first year or so when things like GTA3, DMC and FFX started coming out.
>>736401341Yeah, no one denies that it's a fortnite and sportsball machine. Just, you can also play fortnite on an old laptop or on your phone too.
>>736400902Dawg I don't think you realize even now something like 55-60% of PS5s only exist to play Fortnite and sports games. These people do not fucking buy other games. It's why PS5 game sales were so anemic in the first place
It was easy to jailbreak the ps2, I got the slim version and a buttload of games with it
>>736401341the same "games" phones and PS3 have had for years gta, fortnite and roblox
>>736401416so why exactly do people say it doesnt have games? multiplats count as games, as they clearly move consoles.
>>736401441whats the reason to spend $900 on a PS5 when you can play all the multiplats that keep sony alive on your phone just as well?
>>736401179>the ps2s figures probably represent a theoretical maximum for mainstream appealMost likely, we all assume the number as factual. Sneaky fucks.>>736401341>games*servicesBig difference.
>>736378559PS2 is the easiest console to pirate and jailbreak, that is the reason PS2 sold like a hotcake.
>>736401441"Doesn't have games" refers to exclusives and the point of buying a console over just gaming on your phone or a cheap laptop or PC or sticking with an older gen console. Roblox, Minecraft, Fortnite, Madden, etc, were all on the PS3/PS4 and most are also on mobile. Really the only thing pushing PS5 was "Brand recognition" because people were buying and scalping it before there were any games.
>>736401441No exclusives. Are you being oblivious on purpose? No reason to buy it when it can be played somewhere else. This has been around since the very inception of gaming, only as of late the consumer went full retard dragging companies with them lmao sometimes literally
>>736401498>>736401440why would anyone want to game on a phone? shits atrocious.ps5 also isnt 900 dollars, thats only for the high income casuals. ps5 for most of its life was like 500 dollars and you get fortnite plus whatever spiderman was out at the time>>736401524so are we just not going to count Gran Turismo or demon's souls remake as games? and before you say GT is a ps4 game then ZA and MP4 are switch 1 games, but they're all still system exclusives.
>>736401586>Really the only thing pushing PS5 was "Brand recognition" because people were buying and scalping it before there were any games.Brand recognition and the direct competition being THAT dead. Many don't grasp how bad is the state of Xbox.
>>736378559You're only as good as your last console. PS2 won because the PSX was so good. The Gamecube floundered because the N64 was shit. Snuff said.
>>736401439>jailbreak>got games with it so it wasn't that easy after all? you paid for a pre-modded one like a retard?
>>736401586>>736401593you could say the same alternatively for the ps5. you get a ps5 and you dont need to buy a high end pc. multiplats add to the pool of buying platforms. y'all are all buying multiplat games on your switch 2, no?
>>736401645>so are we just not going to count Gran Turismo or demon's souls remake as games?It's not much but if they're exclusive and good, I guess we should. Similar with that shitty SotC remake on PS4>why would anyone want to game on a phone? shits atrocious.Same reason why people advocate for PC; they think accessibility means quality.
Video game consoles also got cheaper fast back then. If you didn't buy it on launch year you could get it for $50 cheaper within the next 1-2 years. Gamecube sold so poorly you could get it for $100 with games because they couldn't give the damn things away. So why not just spend an extra $50 or so for a PS2 that's also a DVD player?Now the PS5 and XSX got more expensive. People are in some weird ass denial that the Switch 2 isn't already as cheap as it could go without Nintendo losing insane amounts of money on it and they're already having to compensate by raising prices on everything else, and we're looking at 10th gen consoles threatening to launch with quadruple digit MSRPs because of a whole host of factors.
>>736385976The hype for DVD was massive in the early 2000s. Practically every single VHS tape had that>NOW SEE IT ON DVDtrailer with that one shot from Swordfish, and it was a huge jump in quality from VHS.Compare that to Blu-ray where nobody cared because it was just "wow better DVDs for that one guy who owns a fancy high-def plasma TV or some shit".Coupled with FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS and nogaems for several years and it's no surprise the PS3 didn't match the PS2's figures.
>>736399787this.open any gaming magazine and anything cool was always on ps2. your friends are playing final fantasy and gta while youre stuck playing bing bing wahoo tennis and ddr babby mix.what kid wouldn't want a ps2?
>>736401654the funniest part of all the "xbox is so bad!" is the fact that sony just did all the shit everyone shat on xbox for like month after xbox did but everyone gives sony a free pass
>>736401713I'm TALKING about the PS5, anon...>y'all are all buying multiplat games on your switch 2, no?>mfw waiting for the Switch 2 OLEDCan't wait so I can keep not buying multiplat third party crap and seeing them collapse.
>>736401586I stopped gaming on consoles after the original ps, I hardly used my ps2 because games ran better on my pc Pc just had better games overall in the 90s, like starcraft and simsThere were still some ps games I liked a lot like crash bandicoot but I can't remember a single ps2 game I played lol cause I mostly used my pc
>>736378724yes
>>736401727>gran turismo 7>goodits literally a MTX rugpull
>>736401831The perks of running alone.
>>736401871you still want to feel it
>>736401674What do you know retard, you have autism
>>736401713You don't need a high end PC for fortnite, you can play it on mobile with a controller. Same with Minecraft and Roblox.GTA V is from the PS3 era, 10 year old computers can run it.Switch has 202 exclusives, Switch 2 has 26 (+2 tech demos) and is also cheaper.People get Nintendo because of the exclusives and portability. People got PS3 because of the blu ray and exclusives.People got PS4 because brand recognition and exclusives, people got PS5 for brand recognition and just kinda went "Well I already have it might as well use it" because it has 4 exclusives, and the most popular games can be played on mobile.
>>736401889the perks of paying all the critics and journos >>736401897>y-y-you still want to play shit game...gran turismo has always been a shitty racing series, Burnout mogs it
>>736402005PS5 can run fortnite, roblox, and minecraft, as well as all other AAA at good performance. a phone cant run crimson desert or anything of the sort like a real call of duty, which is the best selling game every year pretty much.also saying the switch 2 has 26 games is just dishonest. how many real titles does it have? Mario TennisBananzaHyrule warriorsMK WorldAir ridersAnything else?
>99% of the current console market doesn't give a fucking damn about exclusives. With each generation consoles have fewer exclusives (PS5 had like 3 and keeps selling)>/v/tard: let me tell you why the lack of exclusives and not pandering to my autistic criteria will lead this system to deathDelusions of grandeur they call it.
>>736378724at the time yeah, people wanted a DVD player and the playstation 2 was the cheapest DVD playerMost households didn't even have any games, it was really interesting actually how people bought PS2 almost purely as a utility device for a function entirely unrelated to gaming
>>736402005The vast majority of people bought the PS5 solely for two reasons>yeah man gotta gets my PS5 so's I can play the new madden with jamal>oi m8 gotta get me a pee-ess-foive so I can play the new FIFA with muhammedThey don't even care that they games are available on their old consoles, they see the ads with "COMING TO PS5" and their brains correlate it with "I need a new console to play this year's sportslop"
>>736402140I mean the PS5 is selling way worse than older playstations despite the world's population being much larger and the people on earth being much richer. It's clearly a pretty big failure, even if the larger base of world population is helping a little bit to mask the decline
>>736402135>instantly screaming "THOSE DONT COUNT" if you do the same thing you PS5 it has 2 games, a flopped mascot platformer and a MTX scam game that died as soon as sony patched in the cash shop
>>736402240PS5 has sold 92M units and GTA 6 hasn't even released yet.
>>736401997i put a fucking flip top on my launch PS2 and used swap magic like a true autist
>>736402140>The PS5>The console that is being outsold by the console with exclusives (Nintendo) nearly four fold?
>>736402274yeah and that's with 8.4 billion people on earth. When PS2 released the world population was only 5.9B, and yet somehow the PS2 has sold way more than PS5 ever will
>>736402213One person I know got a ps5 as a fashion accessory to show off or something because he never uses it. He only plays dota 2 on pc (shit game)He literally just gets shit to show off his money
>>736402308>four foldbahahahahahahahathat POS has been losing 2 months straight in the USA and lost the most recent quarter worldwide to PS5, which barely has any exclusives. imagine losing that badly.
>>736402367That's pretty much the PS5 audience, I knew a guy who bought a PS3 back in the day for pretty much the same reason. Practically never played games that weren't on PC, I don't even think he owned a single game for it.
>>736402319>nintendo actually being competitive >lack of 1st party titles>high prices because of aiThere's many reasons PS5 won't reach PS2 level. However, pretending 92M units is bad is retarded.
>>736402158The head of sony at the time of the PS2's release even went so far as to flat out state that PS2 being a DVD player is what kept the console alive for its first year on the market, with the matrix being the most popular thing bought with the console sony fanboys trying to hide it but the PS2's launch library was terrible, having just Eternal Ring, a port of a dreamcast game, some billards game, and I think kessen 1 until several months later
>>736402369and switch 2 beat the PS5 in all of 2025 despite only being on market for 7 months
>>736402552ps5 shouldnt even be close to the switch 2 if it truly doesnt have any games. it shouldnt even be close at all. xbox isnt anywhere up there.
>>736402481I mean they have way more people to sell to and yet they're selling way fewer units. It's a huge decline compared to the PS2 days where they sold more units despite having fewer people from which to sell to
>>736402308>>736402240And this is your fate. Lying to yourself, making up excuses and coping on the internet with retarded comparisons because reality doesn't follow your autistic criteria.Multiplats won, exclusives lost. You are not the main audience anymore. Accept reality and move on.
>>736402481>lack of 1st party titlesI mean yeah that's a big part of why. They gave up on making games and wonder why people aren't interested in their game-playing box. Gee what a mystery.
>>736402587you seem upset that switch 2 won 2025 and is outselling PS5 globally
>>736402629the numbers are the numbers anon, no amount of cope will change the truth
>>736402592>>736402653>I meanYou replied twice for what reason
>>736402657you seem to be trying to hide from the fact that ps5 is going head to head with switch 2.you literally cant answer for why a console with almost nothing is taking months and even quarterly reports off of your boy with games.
>>736402684I didn't mention the first party thing in the first post. Try reading the posts, you'll notice they make different points
>>736402629sony's own reports showing PS5 selling worse than the PS4 is not cope, unless you want to try claim that sony's own reports are lying
>>736402629ps2 sold 160M unitsps5 is at 93M unitsat some point you have to look at the numbers and just be honest with yourself. stop lying to yourself and just look at the numbers and accept them
>>736402724>barrier tribe is SEETHING because switch 2 keeps curbstomping PS5
PS5 at 92M+ units right now and GTA 6 is coming. PS5 will easily surpass 100M units this year and be around 115M units by time PS6 launches.
>>736402776lots of what PS2 had were timed exclusives lmao
>>736401853>Pc just had better games overall in the 90s, like starcraft and simsobjection; subjective
>>736402830with how things are going PS5 will see 6 more price increases before the year is out
>>736402812>still can't come up with any reason as to why PS5 is even close to Switch 2guess whyexclusives arent everything
>>736402764>if it doesn't sell as much as previous system it's a failure>btw ignore the fact people are poorer than ever, have less money to waste on media and ever growing RAM prices, it's because of exclusivesTruly unable to see the wider picture
>>736402853You have shit taste, ps2 graphics were awful too, stay poor
>>736402830if gta 6 is indeed real it could push it over the ps4
>>736402081Critics and journos don't move the needle that much, it was the audience alone that gave them such pass.>gran turismo has always been a shitty racing series, Burnout mogs itBullshit. GT 1 and 2 are great games, also; you're comparing an arcade game with sim focus with an arcade-demolition games.>>736402140Yeah because MK8D didn't sold on its own as over half of PS5 units, right?
>>736402830I don't trust those numbers and gta6 is a nothingburger cope
>>736402890>Switch 2 – 81.518 (4.885.791) vs PlayStation 5 – 14.119 (7.467.574)seems like exclusives matter when its not in the land of gun and ball >inb4 seething that it doesn't count
>>736402983>graphicfag seethingObjection; ad hom
>people really expect me to believe grannies were going out to buy PS2s and were watching DVDs on that shithow a grannie gonna use a controller
>>736403062i could just as easily cite Europe's sales and say exclusives dont matter
>>736403063I get it you're retarded and poor
>>736403210Objection; doubling down on ad hom, you honor.
>>736403054>gta6 is a nothingburgerThis is the biggest cope I've ever seen on this board.
>>736403172>europes sales you mean the VGshartz numbers, the ones that they openly admit to making up to try make sony look good
>>736403280Lol poor retard was having a sub par experience in ps2 while everyone else was playing warcraft 3, lmao @ ur life loser
>>736403290Cope with what exactly, you're the one coping poojoo your company is bankrupt no more cowdungs for you
>>736403417>everyone else was playing warcraft 3Objection; the vegan is using a dying genre at the time creating the idea its popularity on the surface was indicative of it actual success.
