>Play RPG that has romance in it>Everyone in the game is MCsexual>All other party members have no luck finding a gf/bf despite being and looking more interesting than the MC>Party members that you don't romance never find a partner on their own, cursed to forever be a permavirginI hate this shit. What games don't do this?
>>736398593artificial academy 2
A bunch of Fire Emblem games let you pair people up but they're not RPGs in the sense Persona is
There's two examples in the Mass Effect games.
>>736398593I don't know about the other members of the PT, but Ryuji and Ann definitely should've had an ending where they hooked up if you didn't romance Ann.
Yeah I should be able to play matchmaker with my party members. Or make a harem
>>736398868This post best post full harem ending no eternal orbiters. Either that or player controlled npc matchmaking with unique consequences from the pairings.
>>736398706thisFire Emblem is a strategy game, and 50% of the strategy is your battle tactics while the other 50% is deciding which anime chess pieces you're going to make kiss and have cute babies with each other at the end.Or in the case of Fates and Awakening, it's a eugenics simulator where you breed the most OP children for your army.
>>736398706>Fire Emblemthis is the only one that I can think ofit goes so far that in one game the MC is the only one who didn't marry anyone cause he's just a fucking faggot
>>736398629Why has no other hentai game used this system? It made the game so interesting.
>>736398593The good Persona games
>>736398809>but Ryuji and Ann definitely should've had an ending where they hooked up if you didn't romance Annhow about you kill yourself faggot
>>736398593If you want party member romance then just stick to Fire Emblem
>>736398593I'm not sure about other party members, but Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 are actually pretty restrained on the romances. Hell, is there even any in BG1? Your party members don't just throw themselves at you, I think they purposefully designed it so you once you start one, that's kind of it.And then of course BG3 seems kind of crazy hard in the opposite direction, but admittedly I have not played it, just my perception from what I've seen and friends. But yeah, just feels like the og BGs had pretty well rounded party members who had their own things going on.
>>736398593Play Crusader Kings
>>736398593Trails in the Sky was ok with this but then all the other games after kinda fucked it up. Lloyd's games unironically ruined anything romance related
>>736399983I don't think that any of the party members properly get together in BG3.I remember that Lae'zel can talk about fucking Astarion(?) during the celebration for saving the grove, but outside of that everyone keeps to themselves.
>>736398593This is the reason why Ann is the least popular female of the main cast. All the shipfaggotry and NTRbait with Kamoshida built around her. Hopefully ShitLUS learned their lesson.
>>736398593Harvest Moon animal parade pairs most characters with someone else they'll fall for if you don't romance them, and it'll lock you out of romancing them if that relationship develops too much.
>>736399840I think Ann should've had an ending where she hooked up with Morgana if you don't romance her. It'd make the game so much better if even just one character saw him as a person rather than a pet/child.
>>736400112Yeah I just meant BG3 falls into the pit that anon doesn't like.
>>736400339I think the game would've been better if Morgana got hit by a bus.
>>736398593The Tales games all have your party members pairing up
>>736400416Yeah, better written or dead are both better than bad. I want to like Morgana since he has a lot going for him, but the game makes it so hard to.
>>736400416it's crazy how unappealing atlus makes their mascor characters. they're so fucking awful every time
>>736400416based
The game made it obvious that Ryuji only cared about perving on her and neither had any interest in each other beyond that. Ryuji even describes his ideal girl in P5D and it's nothing like Ann (Sumire would fit the best). So while I agree other party members should get their own romances, Ryuji and Ann aren't a good example.
>>736400865The bus scene was just him perving, but the beach scene seemed like he was more genuinely attracted to her at that moment.
>>736400865ryuji and ann dont have any chemistry to begin with, and they don't really fit if you think about it as well. I think the shippers have no idea what they're talking about
>>736398593They do it this way so the player (unstable virgin retard) doesn't feel threatened by their male party members/protag's friends and see them as rivals
>>736401185yeah I think the audience of people who play videogames probably get cucked all the time in real life and don't enjoy having to get cucked in their videogames too
>>736401236>friend has sex>IM BEING KEKED IM BEING KEKED IM BEING KEKED!!This is why you have no friends and play Persona
>>736400865>>736401105>t. morgana
>>736401349yeah I assume that's what the audience of persona is
Kanji and Naoto should've been a couple.
>>736401425there are a bunch of chie x yosuke doujin manga too, people seem to like that oneIt doesn't make sense in the English dub version though, but in Japanese they come across as very friendly and familiar
>>736400234>Animal Parade is my favorite HM>It gets skipped for Grand Bazaar in the SoS Remake trainI'm still salty, rival marriages were kino and that game had the best implementation of them. Never had to worry about them though, since best girl is Witch-sama.
>>736398593Makes sense.If you adding waifus, they should be only for the player.If she says I love you to other people, how genuine is her I love you to the MC?
>>736401425Kanji and rise had too tier chemistry
>>736402097In a world where you never met your waifu, would you want her to die alone, or for you to die alone without her? The predestined soulmate conception of romance is so depressing. Love is something that grows between people who are close to eachother, so in games it should grow between the player and characters if they're close, and if they are not it should grow between that character and someone else who is close.
>>736401185Just leave party member romances for the epilogue.If you get to that point and still feel like you got cucked then that's your own damn fault for not locking in that romance during the game.
>>736400339>even just one character saw him as a person rather than a pet/childso the MC, right? the same one who basically shuts down after his faggot ass leaves him?
I’ve never self inserted as the Mc
>>736402710The MC isn't a character, he's the player, the fact that he's the only one who treats Morgana well doesn't make the situation much better, and the game doesn't let you stand up for him when the rest of the thieves are picking on him.
>>736401387>>736401236>>736401185
>>736402882Unstable virginal retard (Persona player) detected
>>736402882nah just think about it for like 2 secs
>>736398593Thug Hero Party
>>736399840even better they make morgana watch from the cuck chair
>>736401105who let the cat use the keyboard again?
Well I'm not a cuck so this is the preferred way to play.
>>736401425The only person Yu needs to marry is Nanako, the rest of the party can do whatever they want. The two lesbos can lez out, Yosuke can bum Teddie while he's wearing the Alice costume so he can pretend it's not gay, and CHADji can have his own personal harem end. I do not care.As long as Yu gets Nanako.
Giving side characters their own romances is a waste of time that could be better spent on the parts of the story that matter
>>736401185>>736401236Surely there are ways to implement this kind of thing without making the player reasonably able to feel "cucked" or otherwise romantically threatened?>Male party members/friends have preset love interests who the player can't romance or flirt with anyways, so they never 'steal' any of the player's potential romantic options>Game waits until the player definitively locks in a romance route, then starts pairing up the girls the player didn't choose>FE-esque matchmaking system where the player gets to actively decide who each party member bangs (if anyone)>etc.
>>736401349They're like that because they have no friends, not the other way around.
>>736404053Based Nanakochad. Most P4 girls may be cute, but compared to the sexiest and cutest they will 100% lose
People don't date or fuck in real life anymore, so media is now reflecting this trend.
>>736404280I think they're dating and fucking only slightly less than in the past. Most people are still fucking
>>736404078There isn't when you're catering to the audience of Persona, Ryuji has to be chased around by aging gay men for a Persona fan to feel secure
>>736398593Final Fantasy XIt kind of has romance system between Yuna, Lulu and Rikku (even though it eventually gets ignored because the story forces Yuna on you), and Lulu eventually ends up with Wakka.
>>736404342It's not slightly less, most people don't even have friends anymore, let alone a romantic partner.The loneliness epidemic is such a huge issue that even that US Surgeon General talked about. It's causing huge problems for society and people's health, but nobody is doing anything to stop it.
>>736404369Persona's audience is teenagers.
>>736404828Yeah, to do something about it we'd have to agree on the causes and have the political will to change any of the things that actually matter. It's a dire situation, but also the kind that I think could be solved without government involvement if someone figures out a solution.
>>736398593Having party members get together if the mc doesn’t get with them just causes issue in the fanbase of said game whenever this happens the mc’s choice will feel like it doesn’t matter.because the party members getting together will always be treated as more canon by the fanbase causing a situation with the fanbase being more divided,affecting fan art etc
>>736404870Persona's audience is 40 and 50 year old men.
>>736404078Just do what Fire Emblem does or how Mass Effect handles the Joker/EDI romance.>Hey MC, should I try to bang X?>Yes/No>Answer decides if the game continues with a subplot where the two characters get togetherAs long as there's player choice in the matter, then you can't really complain about it.
>>736404280>Persona 5 came out in 2016>Persona 4 came out in 2008These games have been out for 10+ years anon
>>736404870lmao
>>736404078or they could just do what P3 did and give them their own girls instead of pandering to tumblr shippertards
>>736398593Look for games with fixed love interests rather than ones with dating mechanics. Nobody is going to implement those and then heavily limit the options for the player, it would be straight up retarded.
>>736405423The target audience is literally teenagers, like most JRPGs
>>736406489>Look for games with fixed love interestsDon't listen to this anon.Fixed romances suck because they always pick the worst girl to force on the MC.
>>736404828I mean that's a different topic. People are still fucking plenty
>>736398593Sounds like extra work for something most people don't even think about.
>>736407595>something most people don't even think aboutliterally all /v/ talks about with most games is the romance part
>>736399281Mark was warsexual. Can't blame him he was a military genius after all.
>>736400339so is morgana an actual fucking cat or is he a shadow nigga like teddie? If he's a cat then ann should get him spayed ASAP before he gets any funny ideas bellow her waistline and makes things weird.
>>736399840Simps don't get shit.Shouldn't have M'Lady'd you faggot cat.
>>736408574As far as I understand he is a Cat, but a Velvet Room cat in the way the attendants are human but from the Velvet room
>>736408574iirc after Yaldy cheated and sent Igor to the shadow realm, he quickly shot out Morgana to find the protag and help save the world.Clearly the creation was a mistake, but he tried.
>>736408620>>736408815I skimmed a bit of the game's lore and it sounds like Morgana is an actual cat one way or another despite his powers and purpose.I don't think Ann is legally allowed to shack up with him
>>736399759Tatsuya is able to 'romance' any party member except for Eikichi and Yukino, although the romance itself is extremely thin and poorly handled. Eikichi does have his own romance beside with Cozy, but it's complete dogshit and is toothless in the message it tries to convey. Innocent Sin is also just not one of 'the good Persona games' and is the nadir of Persona's mainline games.
>>736400560Hey fuck you, Teddie was based as all hell.
>>736404078I've also given thought to the OVC problem (Otaku-Virgin Cuck) of "How can you write around the fact that the MC can take on any woman without just isolating the rest of the cast to a life of the dreaded Cat-Lady™." The major issue with it is after-game canon. What do you do when you want to release spin-offs and side games or even a sequel? Could you just imagine for a second how fucking devastated these OVC would be if they spend THOUSANDS of hours on a game figuring out how to date Yukiko Amagi, buying thousands of fan products along the way, hanging on every word, writing every aspect of the relationship guide, going through every in and out of the character, THEN finding out that there is going to be a Persona 4 spin off that takes place 5 years in the future, and you get to the Amagi inn and find out "Oh while you were away, Yukiko started dating pic related and is pregnant with her second kid now. Anyways, you and your cannon girlfriend Marie are quite happy and in love, and sometimes she lets you buy her new clothes"?Trust me, the Japanese have already given this shit way too much thought. The best answer if you want to cater to these whales is you have to keep it vague and open at all times and let their own OCD minds fill in the gaps.
>>736409403>Tatsuya is able to 'romance' any party member except for Eikichi and Yukino, although the romance itself is extremely thin and poorly handled. Eikichi does have his own romance beside with Cozy, but it's complete dogshit and is toothless in the message it tries to convey. Innocent Sin is also just not one of 'the good Persona games' and is the nadir of Persona's mainline games.Holy fucking shit what a based opinion. Most of them I think finally died off, but there was a huge while where I was so sick of Persona 2 fags shitting up threads with their mediocre shit all the time for these exact reasons.
>>736402506>would you want her to die alone, or for you to die alone without her?A real waifu would never accept another man and they would rather die alone.
>>736398593Because I'm the player. Me. Only I truly matter.Not any NPC. They're of no consequence.If I want Aerith to live then not because she deserves it but because I demand it.
>>736411440>Real waifus Enough with your delusions anon. The literal intelectual property wearing a skirt is bound to someone else's creative whims and can date basically anything
>>736398706Some of the romances can get actually pretty kino.Marianne and Dmitri bonding over survivor's guilt and eventually falling in love and marrying was good shit.Fates had horrible writing but you also had fun shit like your uptight aggressive brother Takumi who hates all Nohrians getting mommydommed by the big titty Nohr sister.
>>736398809You don't know how fans of these games work. If the girl you don't romance hooks up with someone else, it means she had impure thoughts all along and was possible of falling for someone other than the self-insert MC which is a big no no and will get your game review bombed.
Unicorn Overlord would massively benefit from ability to pair up other characters.
>>736414413>Pair Auch, whomst was built to get gentle femdommed, with Berenice or any other potential female>Lex gets Selvie and Alain gets Yahna for bros banging witchesI'm interested in this.webm
>>736411440Why are girls named Lyn so obsessive?
>>736411440sauce
>>736402506>The predestined soulmate conception of romance is so depressingThis is something a woman who wants to take a million dicks would say
>>736399759This is such a fucking awful story line. Everyone has some real fucking horror and Eikichi is just hurr my girlfriend is fat, doesn't even care about the friends Jun murdered by the midpoint of the game. Almost as bad as the school idol arc.
>One girl is exclusively playersexual>Another girl is a romance option but can romance another character in the right context>Another girl interacts with another guy at all so they get shipped together>Another girl has no interest or interactions with the player but people still like her anyway>It's just an endless shit ladder of people claiming superiority over the "less pure" and "clearly canon" waifusI'm sorry but this is one of those bullets you have to dodge with the rest of usPersona shipping is bad enough as it is
>>736401185Speaking from experience, yes this is true. >>736404078I think MC could just dictate the relationships. You have special interactions where character says “hey MC I think I’m into x, should I go for it?” That way it gives the player the option to get keked like >>736401349 wants. >>736398769This fucking sucks. Harris is my bro, but if I try another romance, Tali gets the slimy lizard cock. If I keep Ashly alive, she gets that faggot none character in the third game cock and they flirt during our citadel hang out time. This led to my kill everyone run eventually which is fantastic when you have just an empty picture frame to look at next to your bed.
>>736407163>People are still fucking plentyThere are more male virgins than in the 2000s and it was already rising and becoming more noticeable then.
>>736419105>Harris
>>736419237it's not a big % change though
>>736398593this is why persona 3 has the superior cast>junpei gets a girlfriend>yukari and mitsuru have their own drama and blossoming friendship that doesn't involve the MC>all the shit with ken akihiko and shinjitheir personal conflicts and growth don't revolve entirely around the main character and they feel like more fleshed out characters as a result
>>736421831Persona 5 has Makoto's deep relationship and dynamic with Eiko, so it's just as good.
>>736421831>>736422029>junpei gets a gf>she diesThis is why party members aren't allowed to have canon relationships anymore.
>>736398593To be fair, all real Persona fans know that Ann is for Ryuji, it's basically canon in the anime cutscenes. If you intrude on their relationship by dating Ann, you are just doing some "soon-to-be-cucked" unspoken alternative non-canon route.
The problem is if you let NPCs fuck each other (after the protag shows no interest) is that autists complain about being cucked.
>>736398593shipniggera and cucks. really no difference. i thank this thread for proving it right once again.
>>736401185>>736401236every single post in thread until yours was literally people talking peacefully about popular games that have romances besides the MC and yet you felt the desperate need to screech about incelsseek help
>>736404053based and trueNananko is the only one that Yu promises to marry in the future.
>>736425389you replied to two different people
>>736425595>>736404053you know I think Capcom did this in Street Fighter last week and the West got very very mad at themkinda based that they did it anyway.
>>736398593>Party members that you don't romance never find a partner on their own, cursed to forever be a permavirginVeilguard doesn't do that. The characters suck tho.
>>736401185Just look at gacha niggersThose retards think every male character should not be pulled because they see everything in sexual termsSo a man is both competition and the implication the player is gayTheyre genuinely mentally ill
Shippers have always been fucking obnoxious but have they been getting more obnoxious lately?
>>736398593not just rpgs. Pretty much every japanese game. Danganronpa had one non-MC romance and the backlash from the Japanese was so bad that the DR creator never made another romance that doesn't include the MC
>>736425785It depends. A lot of hoyoslop adjacent male characters are either fujobait or yumebait. As in they're ridiculously uncool faggots that fit archetypes the ronery girls love.Fate for instance I'd say does it right with characters a guy wouldn't feel like a homosexual palling around with.
>>736402860Show me examples of anyone picking on Morgana other than Ryuji (whos entirely right about it, Mona is a bitch who can dish it but not take it)
>>736425802covid was a disaster for the anime community
>>736425970Yeah I don't remember seeing this hatred towards self inserts and dating games so much before 2020.Well I did see it, but it was from people who don't touch shit like Persona. Now everyone plays weeb games cause they got popular and they all have their own shitty opinion on how to make it more socially acceptable and cool.
Persona 4 male cast: idiot-bro, shy guy (probably closet homo), mascotte only for ara-ara with old womanPersona 5 male cast: idiot-bro; homosexualo; another homosexualo (for fujoshi), a cat only for ryona.I think the only thing worse than Persona 4/5 is Sakura Wars 1/2>"Look, Ogami-san. There are no boys here expect for you and our old boss with erectile dysfunction due too much sake. For the next game, there are other guys but don't worry, we have done a lobotomy to your academy friend and now he is a retard with a guitar. The other three guys are simply transvestites. Other boys? Third-rate Npcs or villains. Ogami-san, you're on sure maiden ground."(However, I ship the retard with guitar and the wop-nip so that their descendant is the ADHD mestizo from Pokemon)
