No

it will be worse than turtle because wow devs are incompetent and afraid to take any risks or do anything truly creative

SoD turned into "retail minus" before even reaching max level
my hopes for "classic+" are in the negatives

>>736399147
They put Incursions in SoD, that should tell you enough about the Classic dev team. The biggest problem I have with Turtle is that incredibly jank client they use. Its such a piece of shit.

SoD had too few cool ideas for how lazy the rest was. All the new shit was basically just "copy some WotLK talent and slap it into vanilla as an armor rune". The only cool, new things were the entirely new ones. Like Rogue/Shaman/Warlock Tank, Mage Healer, etc.

>>736399147
Sure, a new thing to slay alliance players in is always good. I hope they make feral and balance druids overpowered.

>>736399147
what the fuck is classic+? wasn't there a classic something else already? goddamn how many iterations of the same fucking game can blizzdrones digest

>>736399147
It's nu blizz it's fucked.
Microsoft would need to purge the company first

>>736399362
It's just 1.12, but they tried to put as much QoL in it as they could. Better than true vanilla at any rate. I would love for a proper rebuild of the damn thing, but that would be a herculean effort.

>>736399570
I have a good metabolism unlike you fatso

>>736399291
SoD was nothing like retail. It was more like WoTLK

>>736399147
SoD is proof that Blizzard can't improve the game. They can only make it worse.

>>736399147
It's funny how they found their footing towards the end with Kara Crypts and Scarlet Enclave then stopped kek

>>736399691
Anything will be worse in the eyes of a purist, you don't even know what you want.

>>736399362
There was nothing wrong with incursions. They implemented them in the game because reddit dads who didn't play phase 2 because gnomer pugs wouldn't invite their piss or shit colored melee dps classes to their raids cried that leveling to 50 was too steep of a task. So Blizzard implemented incursions as an even easier way to level, and also giving every class a welfare pre-bis catch up set with incursions rep as well.

>>736399687
>heroics
>flying mounts
>arenas
>dungeon finder
WoTLK is retail

>>736399865
You clearly have no idea how bad things are in retail if you believe that.

>>736399687
Wrath is retail-lite, so is SoD.

>>736399687
>it was more like (the beginning of retail)
Yeah.

>>736399936
The current version of retail being bad doesn't make a previous version of retail any better.

>>736399990
Then by your logic WoW was never good at all. Get out of the thread, faggot.

>>736400053
Vanilla and TBC were kino. WOTLK was okay but the beginning of retail. Every thing after WOTLK is irredeemable trash designed for normies thanks to activision.

>>736400053
It was alright during vanilla, everything went wrong after that.

>>736400086
Don't speak for me shithead, I just said WotLK was bad

>>736399702
What exactly do you mean by "found their footing" ?
Kara crypts was pretty nice, even if it was recycled from existing areas in the game data. The torch mechanic was stupid and obnoxious and the instance was buggy as fuck for weeks on end.
Scarlet Enclave was retardedly overtuned because no beta/ptr testing and had way too much trash, but was otherwise okay.

Neither of them felt "vanilla" though. They felt more like cata/MoP game design, especially scarlet. There were single bosses in scarlet with like 7+ mechanics, that shit ain't vanilla

>Cant tell the difference between Vanilla, TBC, Wrath and retail
Either a disingenuous retailbab or just plain retarded.

>>736400086
TBC dumped flying and dailies into the game, don't compare it to my vanilla

Literally just SoD with more rune choices and less hunter nerfs

>>736399667
>but they tried to put as much QoL in it as they could
yeah, with shit like mobile bank, mobile auction house and permanent-rested-exp tents, none of which belong in vanilla

Vanilla purists should be purged off the fucking planet, move on you crusty, gross faggot.

Retailtranny melty

>>736400394
t. missed out on the best MMO experience in history

>Slowly presses one button to 60
>Believes time invested = skill, not skill = skill.
wow players should be raped to death

>>736400180
>Scarlet Enclave was retardedly overtuned because no beta/ptr
That's a good thing

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>>736399147
erm aykshully that wasnt REAL classic+, real classic+ has never been attempted

in all seriousness classic players deserve to all be castrated because they are literally niggercattle who don't know what they want and will scream and complain and shit their depends over something not being to their extremely exacting tastes (that remain undeveloped, they just inherently hate it because its not muh real 'nilla)

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Considering what happened with SoD:
>leveling nerfed into the ground, now super fast, 1-60 in like 2 days /played on every class
>incursions killing open world questing entirely
>player power spiked through the roof, most classes could literally solo dungeons even with blue gear
>WOTLK-styled "every new tier is a total gear reset" itemization on gear
>class design is closer to Cata in that everyone has AoE, everyone has cooldowns, everyone has self-heals and movement abilities, etc. classes got homogenized a LOT
>and as such, dungeons are now just mindless aoe fests despite Aggrend explicitly saying he didn't want that to happen
>dungeon currency that lets you purchase entire raid sets without ever setting foot in a raid
No thanks.

nuBlizz has made it crystal clear that they have no fucking clue what made Vanilla special and only know how to ruin it by copypasting retail game design and calling it a day. It was hilarious watching the blizzdrones screaming "CLASSIC PLUS CLASSIC PLUS OH MY GOD IT'S HERE" when SoD was announced, and then quickly doing a 180 into "w-w-w-well no it's not classic plus it's just the testing ground for the REAL classic plus, you'll see!!!"

>>736400520
>20man raid requiring 30+ players to clear it is a good thing
>insanely tightly-tuned mythic raid content after the entire rest of the game was "soda and pretzels" is a good thing
Retard.

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>>736399147
I would like a Classic+ if it was possible, but given that SoD was basically an experimental run for a Classic+ and the first fucking thing they did was
>Fucking everyone can tank
>Mage healers
>Fucking percentage shit everywhere instead of actual numbers
>XP boosts
>How about we turn everything into a Mario Party raid lmao
I'm not too hopeful. I actually wanted to see them address some of the more egregious balance problems, forgotten professions and broken talent trees from Vanilla, but all they apparently know how to do is Retail from the changes they introduced in SoD.

There's a chance that this WASN'T their vision for a Classic+ and they intentionally went with some out-there changes as surprises to be discovered, but I don't have a huge amount of hope.

>>736400584
Yes it's better than it being solved before it even comes out and it not being MC tier.

>>736400086
WoW was literally always EQ's retarded little cousin for children and bored housewives
god wow players are all stupid cringe fucks completely oblivious about anything but their dogshit game

>>736400545
>>736400617
these
I want vanilla with changes, but blizz went full retard and changed way too much and SoD felt like vanilla remix, designed for retail tourists who can't stomach actual vanilla but still want to get in on the classic bandwagon.
I would start with TBC as a base and build from there. Always felt like it was the best of the "classic trilogy", fixing vanilla's main issues but without going too far and casualizing everything like wotlk did.

I just want vanilla with a bunch of new shit in it, not shit that is ported over from retail, but new shit that we have never seen before. Otherwise you might as well just play TBC or WotLK, no point in playing classic+ if it's gonna be more of the same.

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>>736399147
Not after the Classic + Survey which Aggrend took particular notice of. Here's what the "classic" fans want:
>Blood elves
>Alliance shamans/Horde paladins
>Arena
>Dungeon finder
>Rated pve/pve
>Mythic+ and Heroics

the only people that play this shitheap are retard boomers and rmtniggers from some thirdworld country or some autist on neetbux

>>736400918
Yea and?

>>736400739
Hardline EQ nostalgia is retarded.

WoW made undeniable improvements on the EQ formula. No one who isn't coping about early EQ being perfect and WoW ruining everything thinks that sitting in a circle killing the same fucking mobs over and over is superior to WoW's questing system. No one things that EQ's "dungeons" were superior to WoW's dungeons, which actually felt like dungeons instead of sitting in a circle, killing the same mobs over and over again but in a cave this time. No one who isn't coping thinks that having a death system that is so punishing that no one wants to ever take risks is a more engaging system than one which just charges you gold for repairs.

>>736400965
too many turd worlders i should have specified

sod was neat in p1 when druid could kill people with sunfire in cat form
oh and hunter pets being basically a super dungeon boss equivalent.

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>every group requires bis or pre-bis even though its raceroll and can be done in greens
>every group treats the app to get invited like a job interview
>you will have logs and good logs or no invite
>you will have all-star points or not invite
>you will pay for the archon addon that turns all players into a number and not a player
>general chat is nothing but runs spam
They someway some how turned classic into a more gatekeeper version then retail which is honestly fucking impressive because retail is a goddamn e-sport.

>>736400545
>>736400617
>>736400815
It sucks because there were some things from SoD that were fun, particularly the insanity of phase 1 and getting ashbringer/atiesh

>>736400528
the only iteration of classic+ that i'd care about is actually tbc+
leave vanilla mostly alone except you can delete a few stupid things like fury tanks and mage aoe grinding
and then restart development from there but do it right, no flying and blood elves and hallway dungeons etc
but there is no way modern blizzard could get it right anyway

>>736401052
>WAHHHHHH MUH GATEKEEPING
found the grey parsing shitter that got rejected from every group for being a grey parsing shitter and decided to blame everyone else

>>736399147
>what if vanilla...BUT WITH LE WOTLK AND RETAIL ABILITIES???
Guppies really ate this trash up?

>>736399687
>nothing like retail
>A 24/7 world event that people mindlessly grinded for ez XP and economy-crushing gold

>>736401052
They should remove addons and ban raid logging for classic+. They should also integrate a soft reserve system into the game so you won't need to log in to discord all the time

>>736401072
>Tbc+
Aside from the fact that TBC is dogshit (2 dead in the water classic releases should prove this), what would you even add to TBC? It's pretty complete in its inception. People talk about vanilla+ because it's an unfinished game.

>>736401109
It's weird because while levelling a new character in wotlk classic I thought "wouldn't it be more fun if the entire game was like this". Next thing you know, SoD. I think Aggrend must have had the same idea.

>>736401052
>>every group requires bis or pre-bis even though its raceroll and can be done in greens
That wasn't even close to being true in SoD, there were the buyable pieces from MC and eventually BWL, AND the 40 man MC coin runs were going hourly.

>>736401152
>They should also integrate a soft reserve system
There was an addon that did that but nobody used it for some reason.

>>736401052
From my lived-in experience, private servers have had a way more chill laidback approach regarding its community. I played the Anniversary servers around release and couldnt stand the annoying gogogo mentality where we have to rush to get through the content to get to endgame as quick as possible.

>>736400617
>How about we turn everything into a Mario Party raid lmao
Raiding in Vanilla and TBC were never hard

>>736401104
Nah I saw that one of the greatest WoW players in the world with full pre-bis, buffs, flasks, food, and enchants couldnt get into any raid while streaming because he didn't have logs and told myself I ain't wasting my time with that bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RINT_cnU6Y&t

>>736401469
Neither is Mario Party

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>>736399147
I hope they add more trans quests, characters, sexes, events, stories, and remove more white men from the game while adding more strong powerful women.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/darkspear-dash-wows-first-official-pride-event-coming-in-patch-12-0-5-380974

>what if we take vanilla and remove every single thing that made vanilla unique and memorable?
yeah I want this dev team making classic+

>>736401213
there's a lot you could do with tbc
add ogres instead of blood elves
turn hellfire citadel into a megadungeon
roll back alliance shaman and horde paladins
get rid of all the inane bombing quests and add more vanilla style ones
get rid of the daily areas and add proper content there
or you could add all the unfinished areas of azeroth as 60+ content instead that's fine too

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>>736399202
NO ONE CARES ABOUT TURTLE WOW
FUCKING KILL YOURSELF TRANNY

>>736399147
Season of Dicksuckery was awful right at release, immediately upon picking up some of the runes and "discovering" that it was just shoehorning in shitty retail mechanics atop the classic wow classes immediately made it DOA in my eyes, I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone enjoyed it. Frankly, a good Classic Plus (which will probably never exist unfortunately) should be going in the OPPOSITE direction of SoD from a MMO design perspective - making Classic more challenging, increasing the time to get to max level, more content in each of the level brackets, adding more things you can do, should do, or have to do along the leveling journey. Even making Classic WoW more like OSRS would be a better idea than the philosophy behind SoD.
>>736399774
I'm sure that's true for some people who have put vanilla-era WoW on a pedestal, but any normal well-adjusted person can tell you Classic is more fun because it has better bones as an MMO from a pure nuts-and-bolts game mechanics perspective. There is no one who exists on earth who finds the leveling experience in Retail more fun or better than the 1-60 journey in Classic for obvious reasons (if you insist on an example how about just how easy it is to kill mobs), and I would say further there's no one exists on earth who doesn't have something wrong with them that would tell you that stuff like dailies, or level-scaled zones, or instaqueue dungeon spamming isn't bad for a game.
There's a lot to what made vanilla-era WoW such a special game but suffice to say it is definitely replicable and able to be built upon, you just need people who aren't autistic raidlog endgame nolifers or babymode handheld manchildren who want to buy level boosts to make it.

classic+ is going to be ruined by arena retards

>>736401469
It's not about difficulty. It's that they're a stupid gimmick that are deliberately trying to subvert more traditional RPG mechanics.

Classicbabs just want retail but with the zero skill zero boss mechanics from vanilla

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>>736401902
>It's that they're a stupid gimmick that are deliberately trying to subvert more traditional RPG mechanics.
name one SoD raid like this? pic related is PEAK stupid gimmick, and it's from your beloved niller

>>736401748
it was fun hoping they would add something that feeling that something could be different! turns out nothing was different in fact it was WORSE

>>736401490
This problem would all go away if they just gave players more than one attempt to clear raids before lockout. Like why even have lockouts? Just let players try again in another ID if their group fails and bar them from the loot of bosses they've already cleared. We would have a totally chill raiding environment without any paranoid spergs shitting in socks to not get locked out of loot.

I remember before Classic launched and you had the pserver classic tards talking about how hard classic was then MC got cleared by a raid that was in half blues and half weren't even level 60 kek

>>736401000
so, for normies then
thanks for simply admitting it was stupid for you to imply otherwise
don't let it happen again

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>>736401972
>Just let players try again in another ID if their group fails and bar them from the loot of bosses they've already cleared.
#nochanges crowd will chimp out at you for suggesting this

>>736401709
uhoh retoilet meltie

>>736402163
>avoiding a one shot mechanic by moving to the left or right 5 feet every 30 seconds is a terrible gimmick in your retarded mind

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>>736401928
>classicbabs want retail

>>736401968
Not enough floor circles and buttons to press. They would never let this design into retail.

>>736402205
The #nochanges era is over, Classic+ will be all about changes.

>>736402163
>Move away from boss or you die
>Avoid shit on ground
Not exactly much different to any of the vanilla encounters is it?

No one wants to hear this but endgame raids as an entire concept are actually bad MMO design: 1. They were never that fun in the first place, they are pretty autistic and its sort of for maniac nolifers to do an insufferable grind to get the drop you want to get BiS and then the game is 'done' once you have it because you are then essentially out of content; and 2 If there's ever an expansion pack, that content is invalidated as the new stuff is better than all the previous endgame raids. If there isn't, then once enough players on the server hit the end then the servers all die out and the economy gets all fucked up and so on.

However, this is an impossible paradox because it's impossible to create a design where you can be doing "the leveling journey" forever. Hardcore comes the closest because people have to restart so often.

This is the fundamental challenge of MMO's. It has not been conceptually solved AFAIK. I think the best you can do though is add tons of 'horizontal' content to the game to make "the leveling journey" a much bigger part of it, like OSRS or something.

>>736401968
>Frost damage slowing and freezing an enemy is not a classic RPG mechanic
lol

>>736402104
There is nothing particularly good about sitting around in a circle killing the same fucking mobs over and over and over again. The only reason why anyone tolerated it was because the MMO was so new as a concept. If you aren't tickled pink over the idea that you're actually playing in an ONLINE WORLD with other REAL PLAYERS over this newfangled WORLD WIDE WEB its just kind of dogshit and was entirely improved upon and replaced with questing, which is actually fun.

Classic has been coopted by retailfags desperate for content

>>736402250
Era players got Might of Stormwind removed just to give you an idea of how loud their voices are. A lot of them don't even like fucking dual spec when that's the most inoffensive change ever.

>>736402285
thats why old skool mmos were so harsh when you dieded they knew that levelling journey was all that matters its all that has ever mattered for any game ever

>>736400086
TBC was the beginning of the end because it moved all the endgame content to a different world and added flying. Blizzard should have made more content on Azeroth

>>736402218
>>736402251
It's Mario Party shit. It is the exact sort of shit you'd expect to see in a Mario Party minigame. The stupid gears don't even damage you, they bounce you around and possibly off of the edge... like something from Mario Party.

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>retoilets STILL seething over classic
Why?

>>736401518
Mario Party minigames are harder than parsing in WoW

>>736401571
You don't need to hope for things that are inevitable, anon.

>>736402391
>It is the exact sort of shit you'd expect to see in a Mario Party minigame
Almost every boss in Naxx is like this btw

anyone wanna level up in chromiecraft private server?

>>736402285
>they are pretty autistic
so....perfect for the type of people who play old MMOs

>>736402285
They were onto something with official hardcore
A shame they didn't patch out the cheese with shit like petri flask and leave party ports because the autists who abuse it wanted to keep it. Completely ruined the immersion of the mode and turned it into speedrun tier shit

>>736402505
I mean, to an extent, but this is why the focus on fucking raids was dogshit to begin with. What we needed was more and harder dungeon content, not turning dungeons into Mario Party raids.

The game always kind of turned to shit the moment you hit raids.

>>736402350
Yea I don't really see the point of having those changes in Era, the server is supposed to be as close to vanilla as possible. Classic+ or whatever it's gonna be called isn't that at all.
Another change that would be hilarious if they'd make is to make players unable to attack players that are around 10 levels under or above you. Say goodbye to 60 rogues camping low levels in Hillsbrad.

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>>736402585
I never understood the appeal of playing WoW hardcore
>play super slow and defensive and never take any risks ever
why
that sounds boring as fuck
>random lag spike or disconnect, gg you just lost 200 hours of progress to something out of your control
no thanks

>>736402391
>>736402636
>we need to make it harder but also don't add any mechanics to the fights
wat

>>736402287
>cannot defeat this boss without a source of frost damage
this is a mini game in Mario Party 4

>>736402693
Mechanics are fine, but less of the Mario Party shit.

But also, a part of the retail brain rot is an over-focus on bosses. The dungeon/raid itself should be hard, not just have AoE trash as a small road bump to a boss who is over-loaded with a million fucking mechanics that you need to do homework just to figure out what the fuck is going on.

>>736399147
No. They should've worked on it when Classic first launched, instead of re-releasing other expansions. I might've been interested in a new "What if" storyline back then, but not anymore.

>>736402817
Unfortunately for your argument the Mario party gameplay architecture doesn't involve a basic damage type called frost

>>736402636
>What we needed was more and harder dungeon content, not turning dungeons into Mario Party raids.
You can't make it harder without adding mario party-esque mechanics to fights otherwise you then spend 3 minutes wailing on a boss with inflated health or actually making you use fire res like MC Heat 2+ and nobody wants that.

>>736402862
What is and isn't "mario party shit"? That's vague and meaningless.

>>736402693
>Retailkun can't imagine difficulty that isn't a boss mechanic
lol

>>736402817
>the WoW player brainrot has gotten so bad that they think roleplaying mechanics are from Mario Party
Jesus man

>>736402873
every mario game has some ice cube mechanic which is the entire fight we're discussing you mazed retard

>>736402683
it makes the game more interesting since every time you do group or dungeon content it is risky and changes your perspective of playing the game from just grinding dungeons for items to trying to survive as well. But it gets old due to a lot of mechanics later on just being high damage insta kills rather than a truly "skill" based thing.

>>736402912
>Leftist shuts down discussion by pretending he doesn't understand the meaning of a word
lol

>>736402874
>>736402912
You don't need Mario Party to make things more difficult. Difficulty needs to be based more in strategic thinking and resource management, not zoom zoom mindless button mashing. Dungeons and encounters designed to drain the party and put their staying power to the test.

>>736402954
Are you dumb?

i know this is a classic thread
but is there an addon that auto rejects anyone from ragnaros/illidan/sargeras that queues for a key? carrying my m8 through low keys and the biggest fucking retard paladin and resto druid bricked a +4 because they haven't even done normal
has anyone EVER had a good experience with any cunt from one of those servers

>>736402994
What? Is this a bot?

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>>736399178
fpbp /thread

>>736402683
>play super slow and defensive and never take any risks ever
That's a personal choice, you can still go into caves and stuff. You can take as much risk as you want. If you don't want to farm green mobs to levle cap then you don't have to, it's okay to take risks and possibly die
It's only a real problem when you play with fags who pull one mob in a dungeon at a time and instantly drop group and run when you pull a second mob

>>736403002
>dude what if like...the numbers were bigger?
wow great idea, this will revolutionize raid design

>>736403075
i recall those being the chink servers anon

>>736399147
i dont care i just wanna level up another hunter on a fresh server. maybe a warlock too.

>>736403075
Just delete system32, that should do the trick

>>736403002
>Difficulty needs to be based more in strategic thinking
How can you do that without Mario Party mechanics?
"The strategy here is melee stand behind the boss and ranged a bit further back"

>resource management
That's just extended fights with inflated boss health and also means non-Mana users don't have to change anything.

>>736403169
instructions unclear, PC is on fire

SoD raids were at least fun. I'm playing TBC now, and Kara, Gruul, and Mag are so fucking boring. The most "difficult" mechanic is having someone stand in a beam or getting 5 people to stop dpsing for 10 seconds and right click

>>736402683
Hardcore works better than it should because classic has this goldilocks difficulty where if you are smart and aware (and pass quite a few knowledge checks of course) then you should not die, but if you fuck up then you go down and that adds a lot of tension and makes the content super engaging. Its actually extremely fun, the community is good and if anything it helps highlight how fun the basic combat is, even if a bit basic.

>>736400617
arcane healers and lock tanks were kino as fuck

>>736403117
>>736403190
Raids don't need to be revolutionized.

In fact, as I said before, I think there was already too much of an emphasis on them.

>>736403315
>disconnect
>lose 150 hours of mindless grinding
Hardcore isn't fun

>>736403303
idk why they dont at the least buff shit i shouldn't be clearing kara in 90 minutes on a fresh 70

>>736403332
They were the epitome of retail dogshit.

>>736403360
Ok but you said that dungeons needed to be harder. How do you make dungeons harder if all of the bosses are tank and spank bosses where you don't have to really do anything?

>>736403409
warlock tanks running around in that stupid purple meta form permanently looked retarded

>>736403373
You don't lose anything, the 150 hours of tension was the point
How you die doesn't really matter

>>736403409
i wish they were in retail then i would actually play arcane

>>736403360
This, they should do more world events like the ashara and stranglethorn things instead. World bosses too.
Also how about something new? World raids like the ones form Everquest, or open world battlegrounds/arenas, the less instanced shit the better.

>>736403373
You have to have the expectation that death is inevitable and enjoy the journey :) after all isn’t that what games are all about?

>>736403482
I don't feel any tension from grinding mobs and questing, only pvp gets my blood pumping.

>>736403635
I wish they had done hardcore pvp servers just to see the degeneracy that would unfold

>>736403696
It would actually be really fun to behold, players would need to move out in squads not to get ganked. It would get quite shitty if one faction gets ahead on levels though.

>>736403696
not much. some people would just rush to high lvl and gatekeep.

>>736403567
>like the ashara and stranglethorn things instead. World bosses too.
Please no. World bosses especially with how much bullshit goes on at them. Instanced bosses got a lot of flack but fucking hell if it wasn’t a big improvement.

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>>736403426
Okay, so imagine you have a pack of mobs you have to pull. All the mobs in the bunch are super tough and if you face them all at once, you'll wipe. You have to lock some of them down to survive. They come in a variety of enemy types, so how you tackle them can vary. Silence/interrupt the caster, root the melee, lure the ranged behind a corner, so on and so forth. And you discuss all of this with your team before taking them on. Hopefully it all goes according to plan, but if it doesn't your ability to manage the chaos could be the difference between pulling out a win or getting wiped. This is the peak of fun in a dungeon in my opinion, not dodging bouncy gears that throw you off a platform.

The modern state of the game is that any tension in the dungeon itself is gone and replaced with loading the bosses up with these Mario Party mechanics. Mindless AoE spam on trash mobs that pose absolutely no threat, and then go dodge the bouncy gears and be sure not to get hit by the big bouncy electrocution attack!

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>>736403426
>How do you make dungeons harder
Lmao this is peak retailnigger brain, can't understand how anything that's not a boss (there's nothing else in retail besides this) could be difficult
Ahahaha

>>736403854
The "bullshit" is the fun

>>736403854
if classic anni is any sign, guilds will troll anyone else attempting them to reset them and grief until they give up

>>736403402
you're getting carried if this is the case

>>736399147
lol

>>736403757
A high level character can still be killed by level 1s

>>736403924
idk i just joined some random pug i havent been on since

>>736403864
you're describing trash mobs pre-nerf tbc heroics. what you're asking for already exists and you can play it right now.

>>736399147
While they will 100% fuck it up, I hope they don't use any expansions and make it an alternate timeline directly from Vanilla.

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>>736399147
Not much hope for it because a lot of the things people say they want for classic+ is actually just retail minus. Classic+ is basically just going to be a new retail like expansion made by the new dev team in place of tbc.

Also the teams PvP balance was total dogshit in SoD and even worse, they were kinda neglectful to some classes while overbloating others with fun stuff in PvE, i dont imagine classic+ will be any different.

>>736403978
No you fucking can't, lmao

>>736399836
>There was nothing wrong with incursions.
there were several things wrong with incursions.

#1 they screwed up the games economy
#2 they were repetative garbage and unfun
dont really need to say more, the fact that they were unfun should be enough. doing "loops" was lame as fuck.

>>736403907
No it’s really not anon. See >>736403920 , so not only do you have to compete with the other faction you now have to compete with guilds on your own faction griefing you.

Gods not really retarded, sometimes I think he’s fucking retarded. No I don’t want to play that shit game. He’s aware of this of course, he’s just in it for a “different” reason, if you get what I’m saying here. He likes to do “something” else. Something a little more “interesting” than cheap mass produced slave entertainment. He was pretty skilled here, that’s a master con man. He’s billions of years old too, I doubt anyone can figure out how to win.

>>736404081
What? Did blizzard announce that they're going to suddenly shut down tbc anniversary?

>>736403978
just get a mage dude

>>736399836
>There was nothing wrong with incursions
Jesus Christ kill yourself

>>736404058
>PvP balance was total dogshit in SoD
No different to Classic then

I only want Classic+ if it lets me play a Goblin or Draenei

>>736404119
idk i enjoyed getting to 50 in 4 hours, getting pre raid bis and on top of that 1000 gold.

>>736404158
Oh? They released TBC Classic again? Didn't see it.

But that's neither here nor there, because I want a living game that offers this, not the another round of Classic revivals.

>>736404139
Yes this is conflict, drama, diplomacy. It's fun to be a part of.

>>736399147
developers are troons so no

>>736400904
>take the survey of people playing TBC classic
>results want everything that is TBC

>>736399147
SoD was really fun at the start and towards the end, but it also showed that blizzard has no fucking clue what they're doing and can't help but make retail mechanics or design into older versions.

>>736399836
>There was nothing wrong with incursions
This is what pathological contrarianism leads to

>>736399570
Endless amount and for the rest of our lives?

>>736404319
I can tell you’ve never been apart of World Boss drama, It’s nothing like guild or loot drama. There is no diplomacy either, it’s “which guild has more neets able to grief the longest?”
This is the problem with World Boss discourse; 90% of the people hyping world bosses have never actually fought one let alone get griefed at them.

>>736404240
classic pvp balance was a thousand times better than SoD.

Actually classic PvP is balanced very well for an MMO. even while leveling the classes have good balance between them. If you want to really see shitty PvP balance look at retail or SOD before the level cap where priests get a spell that basically 1 shots people or tops them up to full HP and is isntant cast, meanwhile melee do like 10% the damage in the same amount of time like they are a grey mob.

>>736399147
>With SoD finished, do you have any hope for Classic +?
as long as that keep the momentum they've got and add some new races or specs it will be very kino. hopefully they keep raids tight though. the low minimums of BFD felt so much better than 25-40 slop.

>>736404119
>#1 they screwed up the games economy
they didnt at all because they didnt give out that much money, and money didnt buy you anything special in SoD, you fucking moron. Consumes were substantially cheaper in SoD, and gold was also easy to come by. Compare that to Anni where everyone was buying gold to raid Naxx.

You are a complete retard parroting Reddit opinions

>>736404516
Why can't you comprehend that some people find this interaction fun? You're just a lootwhore that gets pissy whenever someone delays you a bit from your loot. If you want a game totally without friction then play diablo or some shit.

>>736404623
nigger, i actually played the game and incursions were the best way to farm gold. This screwed up the economy for several reasons. First of all it caused inflation and second of all if you wanted to keep up with inflation you were encouraged to do incursions which were the most boring part of the game, and it kept people out in the world doing actual MMO stuff and instead doing phone game tier gameplay of incursions.

are you a blizzard dev? stop making garbage game design

>>736404583
>classic pvp balance was a thousand times better than SoD.
literally the exact same other than more specs being viable.

>>736404634
Yeah man getting same faction griefed that you can do literally nothing about is fun. It’s really clear you’ve never done this before and circles round to my previous discourse comment.

>>736404296
yeah this basically sums up the argument for incursions
>bro it let me skip like 90% of the game! Look at all the levels i progressed! look at all the gold i got, its so lucrative!
by that logic paying for level boosts is somehow a fun thing.

>>736404634
World bosses and mob tag stealing in classic is proof of how woeful wow is when it comes to player interaction
If they're other faction on a pvp server then you can meaningfully retaliate, but if they're same faction then they can just do whatever they want and /laugh at you while you have no recourse

>>736404717
If you think that then you genuinely dont understand classic at all. what specs do you think were "more viable" in sod PvP?

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>>736399147
They just keep rehashing various aspects of WoW because MMOs are effectively over and no one knows what else to play instead.

You need to quit WoW. It's time. Accept that MMOs are no longer a thing in any meaningful way. Youngfags don't like them. WoW is dead and you'll never see any other decent and sustained player base in any other MMO.

>>736404706
It didn’t cause inflation. There was absolutely zero of it in the game you morn. Anni Naxx is peak WoW inflation where farming gold was an actual job you had to do to buy raid consumes, so everyone just bought it from the Chinese.

I played every phase of SoD and I’m tired of reddit dads who got filtered by decent fights in ST who make shit up about inflation that never happened.

>>736404516
It always has been. In actual vanilla I found one in a weird time and organized a raid between my guild and another guild... I gave leader to another guy in another guild because I thought he was chill to do the loot but he then took it all and gave it to his guild. I was young and naive. I'll never forget. But that's how it went. The game is not meant to be fair. It rewards the most sweaty. But back then, people accepted their lot in the game. Getting world bosses was for the sweaty most no life guilds. That's why they were the best. That's why they cleared Naxx in vanilla and killed KT. They were gods. They had gear we could never get. But that's the game. Games need people like that. Today's gamer though believes every game should make them special and equal with less effort or a bigger wallet.

>>736404823
Just because the inflation wasnt the exact same as "anni naxx" doesnt mean it didnt exist. You are just an ape. no where to really go from here.
Keep on defending incursions though, totally doesnt make you look like a retard.

>>736404776
There are plenty of ways to design systems around worldbosses, it doesn't have to be an annoying experience, it just is because the devs don't care

pvp wars like wvwvw and cyrodiil are clearly the future of the genre but wow won't do it properly. i even miss the original ashran, although it was a shitty attempt at it

>>736404804
all classes are viable. classic pvp was just OHKO specs and live until they're board specs.

>>736404717
SoD balance was way worse because healers could nuke you faster than a pom pyro mage while being unkillable. it was the most retarded thing ever how OP starsurge druids were in PvP, just click 1 button and win.

>>736404937
You probably dont even know what good specs in classic for pvp are. Quick question, is balance good in classic pvp?

>>736404883
It didn’t exist and you’re just repeating bullshit you read on Reddit. I accept you taking the L because I skull fucked you in this argument, faggot. You retards read the same story about 5 people abusing incursions 1 hour into launch, getting 10k gold that didn’t fucking matter at all in the game, and have been crying about it for two hours now because you suffer from FOMO

>>736404941
>OHKO classic
:)
>OHKO sod
:(

>>736404823
>ST
Jesus that raid sucked ass, killed the entire game. On top of incursions completely ruining the game. Killed and ruined, people left and it was deserved. Heard it got better at the end but holy shit if classic+ is only level boosting and raiding I will... just play turtle wow.

>>736405079
>a classic wow boss is actually hard for once and doesn't immediately fall over like a loot pinata in the first week
>"OMG THIS IS TERRIBLE ME AND MY FRIENDS ARE QUITTING FIX YOUR GAME"

>>736405023
confirmed for never playing classic. go away tranny

>>736405079
>>736405193
wait what? people didnt like ST? my guild beat it and they were retarded.

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>>736405218
>implying you couldnt pom+pyro macro every class in the game.

>>736404993
>nuh uh
>ur reddit i dont like reddit
>i win!
>I accept winning i owned you so hard
tell your mom its past your bed time kiddo.

>>736405260
The increase in raid size from the eezy breezy of BFD was both counter intuitive to the standard BFD set. it was a immense hemorrhage of players. it's why they immediately added badge gear as soon as possible.

>>736405193
And they did. Nothing even prepares for it, only content other than doing the retarded raid (that was too long and hard) was grinding maraudon. Guilds broke, players left, who gives a shit if this is the game? Phase 1 was fun, the raid was puggable, people grinded alts and knew they could raid that shit with randoms. Shit was fun. Difficult = Good is your argument and it's retarded.

Phase 3 - 8 of SoD were utter dogshit

>>736405307
Why would he tell his mom that?

>>736405461
Why not? I tell my mom everything.

>>736405260
I also beat it and it wasn't fun, too long, too tryhard. After beating it and luckily getting my BIS I quit. They nerfed that shit couple of times but it just wasn't a fun raid, should have been two raids. They are making this shit for dads.

>>736405262
>implying you couldnt pom+pyro macro every class in the game.
yeah you really couldnt. confirmed for not knowing what you are talking about.

>>736405386
>people grinded alts
This is actually a classic truthnuke. People did this because it didn’t take 3 days /played to hit cap nor did they need to shell out shekels and pay Chang to boost them. You’d have players experimenting rather than looking wowhead’s tier list.

>>736405193
>>736405260
They literally cut half of Sunken Temple out, just like with the trash Cata remake of it. The retards at Blizzard did everything they could to make you rush through levels 20-60 and get to the garbage endgame. Hence why everyone quit. Like they still don't realise that 1-60 is the meat of the game.

Whatever it is unless they somehow encrypt the files it won't be fun because the usual faggots will datamine everything. Killing the fun 1-2 weeks in.

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>>736405529
>this thing that is true isn't true because i said so

>>736405386
>>736405551
classicfags almost realising why blizzard made retail wow leveling quick

>>736405494
>hey mom, it's past my bedtime!
>WHY YOU LITTLE *chokes her son*

>>736405607
Yeah bro those incursions that did just that and killed the game?

>>736405595
The burden of proof is on you to provide some examples of why your claim is true. Provide some examples of priests using a 1 hit kill macro in classic wow. go on Ill wait.

>>736405580
Everyone quit because there was 13 weeks of a level 50 raid, and at the start the raid was too hard for a dad with 10 kids to clear in the 20 minutes a week he has to play WoW

>>736405662
shifting goal posts now. pathetic.

>>736405721
>asking for an example is "shifting the goal posts"
what is it about wow threads that brings out the actual sub 90 IQ retards?

>>736405684
classicfags quit wotlk classic because ulduar was out for longer than their ritalin bottle lasted. their opinions should never be trusted on anything

>>736405307
Keep trying to tell me about how screwed up the economy was when consumables were cheap, and there wasn’t anything else to spend money on at level 50, fucking retard. Reminder GDKP was banned by then, so there was nothing else to fucking but besides a few mongoose elixirs and chili.

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>>736405762
i gave you an example. pom+pyro. which is a known ohko for classic. you said this isn't a thing, you're wrong, and now you're asking for more OHKOs, shifting the goalpost after being wrong.

>>736405607
There’s a difference between speeding up levelling brackets like on sod and going 1-70 in 4 hours just by exploring with that weird fucking earthen race

>>736405863
pom pyro is only available to 1 class and no other class has a similar mechanic.

why do people here keep claiming that "leveling is the real game!" when it has been objectively shown that every WoW player actively tries to skip leveling or to accelerate it and get done with it faster?

>>736405934
Elemental shamans bro

>>736405857
Because Blizzard added in the potion and flask RNG mechanics as well as the reagents being dropped from pretty much all of the rng bags they added in.

>>736405863
>pom+pyro macro every class
not every class had a macro like pom pyro. and mages could only do that with 1 very specific spec that had basically nothing else. Meanwhile in sod druids had stealth and heals and the same burst with 1 button as a pom pyro mage. the devs were simply retarded and the balance was a thousand times worse, you are just in denial for some weird reason. probably shitty dev who had input on balance during sod, or played one of the op as fuck classes that broke the game.

>>736405551
True, and the raid was fun and chill. But to level up an alt to be awarded with gnomeregan? Nah, fuck that. ST was even worse. Gnomeregan was almost good too...

>>736406009
Exactly. They kept the economy under control, and have failed miserably with Anni.

>>736405980
elemental shamans only became OP on the levels of pom pyro at level 60 when they had raid or pvp gear. Pom pyro itself required like level 50 or soemthing.

meanwhile in sod druids could do 90% of your HP with one instant cast spell (ranged ability) on a 6 second cooldown starting at like level 24 or whetever it was.

Yes. sod balance was WAY worse than classic.

SoD shits on classic hard. It's infinitely better. If they want to rebrand classic and make it successful though they need to add flex raiding or smaller group size raids like early SoD.

Wrangling 25+ fags for a 5% chance at gear didnt feel good and the demographic is dadgamers so it's even harder to recruit for it.

>>736406115
>muh lvl 20 world pvp that wasn't even prevalent in classic
>inb4 revisionist doood hilsbrad

>>736405684
>Everyone quit because there was 13 weeks of a level 50 raid,
People quit in phase 2 because of the incursions, cuck

>>736405970
I like tbc and wotlk leveling, vanilla leveling is schizo tier (just like vanilla endgame)

>>736405970
>when it has been objectively shown that every WoW player actively tries to skip leveling or to accelerate it and get done with it faster?
No it fucking hasn't.

I would like the SoD fanboys and shitty blizzard devs to take a moment and reflect on the fact that SOD died really fast and had almost no players after the levelling was finished because almost everyone thought it was shit.

>>736406221
>Mmmm yeah terokkar forest, collecting 30 acorns, this is the shit
Lmao kill yourself retard tbc and wotlk were garbage

>>736405970
Cause it's fun to level and to try and optimize it? The retards that completely skip it, let them skip if they wanna but the moment you say "will you run trough a shitty magic forest few hours to hit max, or will you spend 50 hours?" it's just bad game design.

>>736406236
It's pretty obviously the case after anni vanilla bombed and the population skyrocketed in anni tbc due to paid boosts

>>736406196
See now this is called "moving the goalposts" first it was that SOD was more balanced, now its "SoD is more balanced at 60 so lower levels dont matter" eventaully you may come to realize you are a moron and are wrong about everything but probably not because you dont know anything about classic.

>>736406215
Incursions was phase 3 which was ST

>>736405970
Uh huh let me know how many people feel nostalgic for tbc-midnight levelling experience

>>736406134
I'm not trying to be inflammatory, but sometimes I read posts like this that make me feel like classic is completely doomed and there will eventually (or maybe already) be no difference between it and retail
And that I would be better off switching to retail and forgetting that classic ever existed

>>736406238
I blame the rune shit, they were really obnoxious to acquire, swap and bind. Most of the spells were just copied from retail anyway which was boring. Also the PvP balance was horrible, hunters with raidboss pets for multiple phases got old really fast.

I enjoyed SoD and it was exciting seeing blueposts announcing the release of each phase. New shit in the old world is awesome.

>>736406320
I meant to say gnomer

>>736406345
>how many people feel nostalgic
For the lower level zones sure. Nobody has nostalgia from levelling in fucking Desolace which why phase 1 was the best: level cap was before the zones got shit.

>>736406395
>hunters with raidboss pets for multiple phases got old really fast.
That only lasted til phase 2 and it was hilarious

>>736406307
Anni Vanilla bombed because Classic Vanilla already existed and wasn't going anywhere, making Anni Vanilla mostly redundant.

Anni TBC was a bigger hit because they shut down TBC Classic and no one really expected TBC to return, so people who liked TBC rushed to be able to play it again.

It had nothing to do with shitty fucking paid boosts.

>>736406473
The game is literally unfinished past 30, which is why any additional content should be made to finish the post 30 world, not add fucking incursions and turn gnomer (the worst dungeon) into a raid

>>736406501
it did though. without paid boosts people would have to play through regular vanilla again to get to TBC and the population would have been low especially considering this iteration of tbc will last only 1 year.

>>736403864
>CC mobs and auto attack them to death is what nillafags think of when they say strategy
jesus your brain is fully rotten

>>736406476
Afterwards you had rogues that killed you in the opener every time which also got old really fast.

>>736406386
its just retail players. But yes this is why classic+ is a dumb idea if you like actual classic, retail players are going to be giving blizzard feedback on how to do it and they will demand it be like retail. Retail players are the ones perma online in the forums, retail players are the ones filling out blizzard surveys where they gauge what should be added to classic.

>>736406546
how is gnomer a "bad" dungeon?

>>736406559
thats not what hat guy said, are you mentally ill?

>>736406501
>leveling is so great that everyone skipped it to rush to tbc endgame raidlogging

>>736406501
era + anni vanilla came nowhere close to = current anni tbc numbers
there are hundreds of thousands of boosters who for whatever reason chose not to go through the exciting vanilla leveling experience even with the prepatch xp changes
the ones that do are broke bitches all using restedxp and/or questie
face it, NO ONE likes leveling in vanilla

>>736406590
Have you ever done it? It's like watching Alien 3

>>736406473
I like desolace actually, its a good zone when you know the optimal route. and its nie and chill to do early 30s to get more power before you go to vietnam,

>>736406606
Yeah and how many people are doing that now? Zero lol it's dead

>>736406623
sorry m8 but WoW PvP peaks at two 5 man groups coming across each other in the elite troll cave in hillsbrad and battling it out to see who kills the elite boss quest mob first.

>>736406626
I like it. It has a unique story and environment compared to other parts of WoW and the only reason I wouldnt do the dungeon is because the item drops are not good for some classes

>>736406623
>era + anni vanilla came nowhere close to = current anni tbc numbers
What are you smoking, tbc classic died in 2 weeks on first release and it died in 2 weeks in the 2nd, the only people left are retail refugees who can't live without playing some sort of wow

>>736406604
its literally what he said
learn to read you brown skinned faggot

people want to skip leveling because it's a shitty mostly single player 200 hour experience that discourages playing with others or even being around others and they were promised an mmo where playing with other people was constant and fun
which you only get at endgame after suffering through those 200 hours or the occasional leveling dungeon

>>736406623
vanilla is great but tbc makes it all pointless

>>736406709
It's an oppressive shithole maze with shitty music and green farts everywhere, id rather go into the real Chernobyl than Gnomer

>>736406604
>get paragraph broken down
>say nuh uh
Kill yourself.

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>>736399147
Not really, I think they will go with the safest easiest ideas to appease the ylmilktose youtubers.
I want crazy ideas like playable Naga and a raid boss who stalks your group and ninja loots the drops till you kill him.

>>736406762
Yeah totally that's why there's 20 versions of vanilla and 0 people playing any other version of the game

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>>736406731
if tbc anni is dead, then what does that make anni vanilla?
it got completely mogged by tbc anni and even mop classic at the time (before tbc anni)
the numbers were so bad that they will NEVER do fresh vanilla again

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>>736406731
Congrats on being diagnosed retarded

>>736406871
There's 20 version of Vanilla where people are all getting mage boosted through leveling, yes. The end game is pretty fun.

I miss 2004-2007 era internet.

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>>736399147
classic+ like every single version of this shit game before it will have to contend with the single worst part, the community.
This many failures in, I have very little hope in their ability to curtail the unending deluge of antisocial behavior. Even if they somehow gained the ability to think about how game design influences behavior, and were able to head off the worst of it, the malignant tumor would simply wait for an opportunity, festering until it is given an opportunity to kill the playerbase.

It doesnt really matter what blizzard does because the game will eventually just become people trying to most efficiently grind for the best gear.

>>736406313
bro there's like 5 different people taking turns raping you. just move on.

>>736406878
Nobody cares, anyone with a brain will play Turtle instead of that chink bot infested shithole. Btw, the only reason anyone is playing tbc anni is because of the promise of onlyfangs 3.

>>736406742
>>736406842
wow i really am upsetting the mentally ill people for not supporting their delusions.

you will never be a classic wow player

>>736406878
>>736406908
Post actual numbers, retards

>>736406923
Go play retail if you don't like levelling.

sod truly mind and buck broke classictrans.

>classic wow thread
>devolves into mentally ill tranny retail players just saying retarded shit and being obnoxious
amazing

>>736407101
so the standard classic wow experience?

>>736407167
yeah things were better when classic was a private server thing and the squares who played retail stayed there.

>>736407029
i played it in 2005.
i grew up.
sorry you can't leave your mom's basement, brother.

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Retailxisters I am so frickin pumped for our LGBT event in June. Cant wait!

>>736407101
classic players are incredibly dishonest and will say one thing only to lap it up or look the other way when blizzard does the opposite
the "vanilla leveling is fun" is their greatest lie and it's well past time that it was exposed when they're all swiping their credit cards for tbc boosts

>>736407209
It's hilarious that retail has become so unpalatable that even the whales and mazed fanboys have left it for classic

>>736407227
vanilla leveling IS fun
...once or twice.
I've done it more than enough, I'm done doing it. Everyone else is either lying or mentally ill who supports it.

>>736407227
to be fair to them, if you level a character for the first time in classic WoW and experience everything new it can be a great experience. This is especially true if you read the quest text and get immersed in the story. If you have been constantly doing classic WoW and have been min/maxing when only the endgame raid gear is what you care about then classic leveling for that 15th time is torture.

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>Retail is super good sirs and SoD is almost as good sirs and Vanilla is very bad my good sirs
>When the good men at Blizzard announce Classic+ with new quality of life features such as five minute max level times, fast travel nodes every five feet, a cross-server LFG tool with instant teleports to the instance, all new "everyone can tank and heal and has everyone else's abilities" feature and free on-demand respecs and 10 brand new RAIDS with a new Good Boy Point token system all designed with the weakest trash mob encounters you've ever seen and bosses with 50 bouncy ball mechanics designed directly by Nintendo themselves, you will be of loving it and be the excited and will do the needful sirs.

>>736407227
Nobody who enjoyed vanilla levelling is playing tbc lmao. They're playing Turtle. Only people playing classic of any variety at the moment are retail refugees and the hordes of streamer followers.

>>736399147
The only hope for anything blizzard related is if they purge the entire troon team. troons are a plague.

>>736407270
classic is just a daycare for bored retail players, which is why boosts are so popular
to them a classic release is like another plunderstorm or remix

AWR

>>736407356
Even the streamers are bored of TBC, they even cancelled OnlyFangs.

>>736407378
>classic is just a daycare for bored retail players
I believe it. The classic community mirrors the retail community in a lo of respects.

>>736407291
>>736407328
This exactly. There's a minority of mentally deranged cocksuckers who can't fathom people get bored of a 150 hour grind.

>>736407434
it seems classic wasn't that great after all and is doomed to die out, like a certain man once suggested
maybe we should have all done something else like retail or played jenga instead

>>736407434
>hardcore tbc with a load of newfags
I wonder why that’d be a bad idea. They’re also saving it for classic+ too

>>736399147
Id be lying if I said I wasnt curious but they would have to really try hard something different that Turtle doesnt already do well.

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>>736407227
>classic players are incredibly dishonest
>the "vanilla leveling is fun" is their greatest lie
This. It's the lying that bothers me.
Even in 2019 when it was "new" again and you got to go back in time, most people still sat in Scarlet Monestary for 20 hours.
SoD, people were paying Druid for invasion boosts. And they only raved about "phase 1 being the best" because even the most braindead retard with 12 wives and 52 kids can level to 25 without crying.
Classic Anniversary? People are swiping like crazy and begging for Joyous Journies.

The journey was fun in 2004 when you had friends and no sense of time. When a week felt like a month.
No one wants to go kill 90 Harpies that all put poisons or diseases on you that lower your movement speed by 50% for 10 minutes.
It's romanticizing memories instead of acknowledging the reality.

Multi-tagging was the best thing retail ever did and I'll be the one to die on that hill. You reatrds forming lines to get the head of Scrimblo Jenkins the bandit with his 10 minute respawn are beaten housewives. It's not fun, it's not nostalgic, it's a waste of every single person's time when it doesn't need to be. This "but it makes you group" nonsense needs to go. Half of the classes can solo it as is out of the box. The other half will work together to kill it regardless of pressing "invite" or not. The only thing it removes is that other guy dropping group immediately afterwards with a "ty" at best.

>>736407584
>it seems classic wasn't that great after all
Of course, because they insist on progressing through tbc and wotlk, the versions that killed the game

>>736407698
>>736407227
I only played WoW vanilla when Nost came out, then SoD/Classic as well. Vanilla leveling is great get over yourself.

>>736399147
Just play retail at that point lmao

>>736407596
>I wonder why that’d be a bad idea
Because TBC is such boring dogshit they'd lose the audience in a week

>>736402683
Me neither. Especially considering it's pretty much impossible to grief people by pulling mobs into them or killing them in different ways. Wtf is the point? To watch some terminal online streamer die on purpose so he can fake rage?

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>>736407209

lol back you go! Open wide for Retail content!

>>736407002
>anyone with a brain will play Turtle instead of that chink bot infested shithole
Turtle WoW is owned and operated by chinks you idiot lmao

>>736407937
What happened to the Russian narrative?

>>736407974
>He doesn't know

>>736408003
You dont either

>>736408012
>He doesn't know
Lmao

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>>736407937
this... go log on turtlewow right now and look around SW or org, all the cash shop mounts are being ridden by chinks (look for the () guild rank if the Xialongchung character name isnt enough). those mounts are all ugly and gaudy and have terrible animations too, so of course chinese would think they look good.

>MUSTVE GOTTEN THAT MOUNT OFF OF A DEAD CHINEEEEE

>>736399147
WLK was the last good WoW update
anyone still playing is addicted or failed to move on, mentally sick stockholm victim

>>736403864
So you're crying that mobs aren't hard enough in retail and then immediately follow up with crying that mobs are too hard in retail?

Mobs hitting a tank hard isn't difficult. That's just a number check.

Jus more proof that classicbabs are profoundly retarded. You're still aoe spamming dungeons in classic btw.

>>736408045
>Go on retail/classic servers now
>All the names are chink bots

>>736399147
>Classic +
That's just retail with extra steps

>>736408134
There are no good wow expansions, every single one of them has been shit

>>736403864
You're right but you're preaching to a crowd who think grinding from ilvl100 to ilvl 101 is fun. They're retards they'll never get it.

>>736408181
I dropped out of high school for based TBC

>>736402224
Correct, you retarded little shitsmear.
That classic+survey even irrefutably proved it.
Everything they ask for is just shit that's been in the game for over a decade.
Again: classic pissbabbies just want a game with zero difficulty and zero skill requirement.

>>736408224
You mean retaildrones. They ask for shit that's already in the game because that is the version they normally play.

>>736408149
Love how Blizzdrones will completely ignore this fundamental truth.

>A billion games to play
>Picking any version of WoW
LOL

>>736408185
So says the classicbab, a community obsessed with being absolutely soulless metagolems, playing exclusively with restedxp, if not outright just getting mage boosted to max lvl, so they can farm rep to get that 1 ilvl upgrade so they can be a parsetranny in 2 decade old solved raids

You know why everyone laughs at nillababs? Because you're retarded and have zero self awareness

>>736407291
that's right
there's enough content to do it maybe four times, twice on each faction, and it's legitimately fun
after that you've seen everything and it stops being fun
completely new zones is a requirement for any kind of classic+

>>736399147
>do you have any hope for (INSERT BLIZZARD PRODUCT HERE)
this a joke or something

>>736408139
I'm aware of this. I think they nerfed the Classic content. I distinctly remember needing to mark mobs, do crowd controls and wait for sunders by at least Zul'Farrak in Vanilla proper. Classic felt way easier and people were making fuck ups that they would never have gotten away with in Vanilla.

>>736408270
Ah yes, the people that don't play your dogshit meme server are asking for this.

>>736408308
Yeah... let's play... Fortnite.. or something... Path of Exile... Yay...

>>736408392
>Ah yes, the people that don't play your dogshit meme server are asking for this.
Lmao
>>736407209
Because this is what they're asking for instead is it?

>>736408357
>a community obsessed with being absolutely soulless metagolems, playing exclusively with restedxp, if not outright just getting mage boosted to max lvl, so they can farm rep to get that 1 ilvl upgrade so they can be a parsetranny in 2 decade old solved raids
I'm unaware of anyone who actually does this who wasn't going for world firsts when Classic first released.

Maybe this is more popular now that retail shitters are playing Classic, apparently.

>>736408169
Vanilla WoW was built on a fundamentally different game philosophy from Retail. Retail is not just Vanilla + time.

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>Retailtrannies malding in this thread about Classic players not reinforcing their sunk cost fallacy
If Retail is so great, go fucking play it.

>>736408379
They didn't nerf shit. You're just retarded and people got better at games over the years. I played with real niggas back in 2005 and we didn't cc shit because you don't need to, because we knew how to press more than one button, and how to read. Vanilla and TBC are games for babies. You only needed to cc in TBC heroics, not bevause they were hard, but because blizzard is retarded and made the trash mobs hilariously overtuned and it was literally impossible to survive tanking packs of them.
Keep coping though.

Still not playing retoilet with your gay pride event

>>736408447
>n n n no....it's the retail players..
You are a pathetic papsmear.
The only people playing classic are parsetrannies and RMT pakis

If classic is so popular, then why is every single server completely dead? They just released the tbc one. And it's already completely dead

>>736408602
>The only people playing classic are parsetrannies and RMT pakis
Yeah, retailniggers all. This kind of mentality only comes from retail, where it's the norm.

>>736408650
Because there's like 10 different versions of Classic and people dont know which one to play because you also need everyone else to pick the same server for it to work.

>>736408379
Classic is on 1.12 which is after a lot of buffs and fixes were done to classes and itemization
vanilla proper was harder but not massively

>>736400617
Grumpy nigger post from someone whose deathly afraid of retail