Would you consider Umineko, and VNs in general, games?
Yasu is a girl
WHATWERETHEYTHINNNNNKKKKINNNNGGGGGGG
>>736399734That's a tranny with fake tits
Y = I
>>736399734Why aren't they categorized as books instead? They're basically just lightnovels. They belong on /a/
I like muvluv
cellulite
>>736399832hot
>>736399832giwtwm
>>>/jp/
>>736399734ugly slop
>>736399784Yeah, tell them sis.
>>736399734There is a part in Chapter 8 where actual gameplay happens, so yes.
>>736400248Why is it so uncommon in art? It's hot as fuck
>>736399734I look like this
>>736399734VNs have always been /v/ core, only newfaggot normgroids say otherwise.
its not tranny if its magic
>>736399734Whenever they cry, yes
>>736399734Yes, because they are on computer, usually interactive and the medium strengths and weaknesses are distinct from books.I think people get too hung up on the "games" part of video games, when the whole term was just invented kinda randomly anyway. It's prescriptive, not descriptive, which is the biggest sign it's bullshit. And it leads to dumb preconceptions like the fact that games need to be gamey to be valuable, or that a game with more interactivity are better than the ones with less interactivity. It is a strength of the medium and it's wise to use it, but it's not an end-all be-all. I kinda see it as prose in books, it's usually better when it's good, a book with bad prose IS usually kinda shit, but it's not the only thing that matters, and books with bad prose can be masterpieces. Saying it's the only thing that matters is too restrictive for the medium.It would be better if video games were called "interactive fiction" or "computer fiction" instead, it's more soulless but at least people wouldn't get hung up on words.As for VNs in particular, they're definitely on the border between games and books and so they're naturally weird for both mediums, but it doesn't mean they're not games. I think you could argue for them being both at the same time, but if not, I think they're more games, the way they're structured is really different from normal books. Anybody who read both a book and a VN at the same time could tell you they have a ton of differences.Also, while we're at it, movie games aren't inherently bad either, but I kinda personally mildly dislike film as a medium so I don't play a lot of them and can't comment on whether they're shit or not and why.
>>736399734Yes.
>>736400742Let's assume for a moment magic does exist irl, yet you were born a boy (male (with a fucking penis (not a fucking vagina))) and then you turn yourself into a biological girl with magic. You are still a man, cause you can't get rid of your past. You were man, your mind is that of a man, and you once had a manly penis. So, you are not a girl, you are just a sissy gay man pretending to be a girl.
>you have a woman's (real) body, but you're a man because of your pastNot worthy a (You). Try harder for your dopamine shots.
>>736399734I would not consider AI slop games, but I might consider VNs
>>736399734Close enough, it's all recreational computer software. Few boards are this anal about what does and doesn't belong. It'd be like banning tokusatsu from /m/ just because not every tokusatsu show has a big robot in it.
>>736401305its magic faggot, if someone wanted to, they could time travel to the genetic dice-roll and become born a woman instead, then accelerate time to the exact point they wanted
>>736401365Sorry if I offended you, sis.
>>736401460So they will be living a lie since they would be fully aware they were a boy once. Nah dude, you are gay af.
>>736399734you got a catbox for that image anon?
>>736401553go-go-magic: erase memories of past life
>>736401305>just because you perfectly transformed into something else via magic doesn't mean you're actually that thingimagining you saying "you will never be a canine" to a eight foot tall raging werewolf rushing you down
>>736399734I'll fuck her tranny tits
>>736401305It doesn't matter if it was formerly Chuck's if it is now Sneed's. If you saw Sneed's with no hint or sign that said it was formerly Chuck's you would call it a regular feed and seed store. The employees may have formerly worked at Chuck's, but there is no sucking and fucking going on now. The grain is not any different for being placed in a building that once contained a brothel. If you examine it under a microscopic it is ordinary feed and seed.
>>736401953In this metaphor, the interior of Sneed's Seed & Feed still has all of the trappings of Chuck's Seed & Feed: only the exterior has changed (and dubiously so, at that).
If you have magic to put you in a female body while not just use the magic to make your brain female too?
>>736399734VNs with choices? Yes.Kinetic and pretty much kinetic with maybe one choice at the end? Technically no but it pretty much gets grandfathered in and I still call them games
>>736401460>they could time travel to the genetic dice-roll and become born a woman insteadKeeeek this nigga thinks Steins;gate shit is accurate
I'd consider them visual novels or interactive fiction.
>>736399734VN's are only games if there are choices that lead to multiple endingsotherwise you're just listening to audiobook with cool visuals and anime whoresand i'm saying that as an absolute Bernkastel fag
>>736399734yeah ok but which slopper made that
>>736402428i found it on r34, hexyness, only a few images and a banned xitter account. didnt manage to find a version of this image with metadata because its driving me insane, i recognize the art style this slop is probably trying to copy but the name escapes me
>>736402523>i recognize the art stylereminds me of spacezinhope that helps
>>736402523@SlopHexyness ask him, nigga
>>736402523The face and breasts look Asanagi-ishThe eyes look like fishineSomething about it reminds me of spacezin, maybe a hint of krekkov
>>736402426>VN's are only games if there are choices that lead to multiple endingsBut almost every VN has multiple choices and endings?
>>736402523Western sloppers all use the same shit, anon. It's ALWAYS Krekkov, Kelvin Hiu, Andro Juniarto, eigaka and sometimes chamchami.
>>736403926Oh and zyugoya
>>736399734I dont care for Umineko spoilers, why does everyone say shes trans
>>736399734No, and no. Belongs on /jp/.
>>736404036Because "she" is not real, and actually looks like this.
>>736404209that's not beatrice though
>>736399734Books for the mentally ill, not games
>>736404164Tourists like you belong on >>>/reddit/
>>736401686I would say that.
>>736401686Don't need to imagine it, I would.
>>736404036Beatrice was thrown off a cliff as a baby and landed on a stalgmite. They managed save him at the cost of his dink and raised him as girl.
>>736405330He's literally Beatrice without the wig and fake tits. Lion (the pic) is Beatrice from what IF universe if he doesn't fell off of a cliff as a baby and got his David Reimer-style forced trans surgery by Dr. Nanjew.
>>736399734Give me some fat titties to play with and I won't give a fuck if you made an actual game or not.
>>736399734>cancels the sequel of a VN because wars and pandemics happen irl and he's scawed of offending anyone in 2021>proceeds to make a different VN where god mindbreaks a dead boy into admitting women are fucked in the head and that he should try again as a man in the next life instead of reincarnating as a girlThe innerworkings of 07's mind are an enigma.
>>736406228The canceled Ciconia because it sold poorly, there is no enigma.
>>736399817I keep seeing edits of this, what the fuck is the original VN? And no I don't mean Umineko.
>>736406785Nukitashi
>>736399734>They unironically named their shitty VM "WHEN THE SEAGULLS CRY"Braaaah..
>>736399734I do find it pretty funny how both Beatrice/Yasu and Saber pretended to be a man in their life, yet everyone considers Saber to be a real woman (outside of handful of lunatics), but everyone even people outside of the site consider Beato to be a tranny.I think this is on R07 for not being explicit on Yasu/Lion's gender. >>736399784I agreewhy else would Genji hide Yasu from Kinzo if it wasn't because he didn't want to repeat the same sin he committed to his daughter?That's also taking into account the damage that's done to Yasu's body
>>736401686imagining you saying "you will never be a woman" to a eight foot tall raging ma'am rushing you down
>>736399734>VN>Virtual NovelIt doesn't stand for Virtual Game, now does it?
>>736407534Saber is 100% female except that one time Merlin gave her a magical dick and is straight.Yasu is intentionally left vague and has some really weird shit going on.
i mean we consider MUDs and older text based adventure games "video games" so i dont see why VNs are out of the question
>>736400248That image is godly and there's no similar pictures with shaded faces like that
>>736402184Ciconiabros...
>>736408165I will kill Ryukishi and write Ciconia in his blood.
>>736401553BUT I DID HAVE BREAKFAST!
>>736399734Yeah. Especially if they have combat.
>>736399734That artstyle is fucking gay
>>736402523Its Asanagi. It could be mixed with others, but the face is certainly Asanagi
>>736408165I have already given up
>>736408165Why they always crying???
>>736399832>>736400263But what if instead he took a bunch experimental hormones as a developing teen that caused him to grow immense lactating tits along with child-birthing hips and a massive fat ass? Not to mention all the stress-eating to cope with depression, causing him to grow a huge plump belly and enough fat collected in his mangled crotch to reshape it into a soft, vulva-like cleft.
Okay but what if you WERE incompetent?
>>736399734>find out Beatrice is actually a guy pretending to be a woman>lose all interest in the series as a whole Why the fuck would you even make that creative decision? I am beginning to think higurashi was a fluke and even then I only like the original vn
>>736410408>be lied to>live a fool your entire lifeThink for yourself maybe?
>>736410527OK I think putting transniggers in my game sucks more dick than the closeted faggots in this thread defending it. That's my own opinion
>>736399734Nah. They're visual novels. Basically another variant of books. Like they're usually referred to.>b-but branching-Then they're choose-your-own-adventure books.If a "game" contains no gameplay component outside of reading and the function to move the story ahead(turn the page), it's a novel/book. If it does - and I assume some of them actually do - then and only then you can call it a game.
>>736410408>Beatrice is actually a guy pretending to be a womanFalsehttps://files.catbox.moe/fs67gr.pdf
>>736402210Shartyfags are so retarded
>>736408165I wish he would be upfront and just tell us it was cancelled The war excuse was stupid from day one, if you don't wanna write it that's fine man, but don't leave people hanging
>>736399734>VNdepend how much control you have between texts>Uminekono, it's a fucking book!
>>736410715Do books have music and voice acting? No? Checkmate.
>>736410813Im sorry anon. It was explicitly told in the vn Beatrice was born a man
>>736411131You are a liar and will spend an eternity on this ship.
>westoids made up a term for eroge because uhh sex is yucky (even though 80% of VNs have sex scenes)>now they’re putting rules on a term they literally made upthis is the equivalent of women invading a male hobby and setting rules about what should be done there.
Beatrice as we see her in all of Umineko is biologically female because magic. She/he was only a tranny in the actual Rokkenjima incident, as every time after that he ascended to a higher plane where it doesn't mean fuck since you can just recreate your entire body with magic.
>Trannies consider man pretending to be woman in mystery a bad trope>Its all of a sudden ok when some jap does it because of AGPhuh
>>736399734I'm considering mating with those tits
>>736399734Gosh I love boobies
>>736406107@grok is this real?
>>736413053The context is correct, the pronouns are not. The original gender of the child is never revealed. Its genitalia was destroyed in either case, but we are not at all told if it was male or female.
>>736413192If there's a chance a character could be a man, they're a man.
>>736399784I want to impregnate her.
>>736412970we know, battler. it's why she looks like that in the first place.
>>736399734No. That would be eroge. Those are games (even if their gameplay quality varies wildly).
>>736412970I thank myself I remain living so I can appreciate breasts.
>>736415992I will not participate in your lack of logic.
>>736399734Artist?
>>736399734twitter and reddit drama, e-celebs, and gacha are all video games according to /v/, so I don't see why VNs wouldn't be.
>>736416424It's simple nuance, my dear anon.If Yasu (a feminine looking character) was truly meant to be a girl, why make it ambiguous?
>>736399734Kill yourself slopfaggot.
>>736399734Seacats is a KNThere isn't even an illusion that you are interacting.
>>736410867What was the excuse?
Americunts (death be upon you) angry about breasts again. How could anyone foresee?
>>736416658The ambiguity's purpose is to deprive Yasuda of a human baseline experience and drive them to madness. If it were spelled out, it changes the trauma. Yasuda's entire issue arises from not having either option to fall back upon. If they knew they were a woman whose uterus was speared out of her guts, she would have resolution. Similarly if he were a man gelded by the same situation. The fact that Yasuda doesn't know themselves is what torments them and leads them to wearing both male and female guises, and makes them feel less than human.
>>736417248Seething
>>736411875I don't believe in magic, therefore she's not real.
Beato is for filling with whipped cream until she explodes (non-lethally)
>>736417721ciconia having themes in its writing that hit way too close to home considering the covid + ukraine war situation at the time
>>736399817"she" might not be a woman, but i sure as hell would've fucked "her" like onet. faggot
>>736419792i thought about you recentlydo you have an inflation fetish?
>>736399734Some VNs? Absolutely.Higurashi, Corpse Party and the likes? No.
Tsukihime is the best and only VN I've played
Maria deserved better, something like being my wife.
there is no such things as a "trans" person, everyone wants to be a beautiful woman, most men are just too ugly to pull it off
>>736421161>everyone wants to be a beautiful womani donti'd rather be a handsome and attractive man than being a woman
>>736420828I mean, it's mainly about the exploding, that's the thing that gets me off. But inflation is a good means to that end
>year of our lord 2000+a score and six hence>people still argue about whether it's gay to fuck beato
>>736421908It may not be gay, but it sure as hell would be gross
>>736399734VNs in general yes, Umineko no.The defining feature of a game is interactivity, the player has to influence what is happening by his actions and the game has to respond accordingly. For VNs you have to have choices and bad ends at the bare minimum to be classified as a game.
>>736399734Yes. Historically, visual novels have always been associated with video games. Text adventures evolved to include graphics, then became games where you chose options instead of typing commands, and finally evolved into games entirely focused on the story, where sometimes there aren't even any options. This last branch no longer involves any kind of player interaction and consists basically of stories, but if you stop calling them video games, you lost the historical context behind them.It's for this very reason that some words do not lose certain letters even when those letters become silent. Silent letters in the middle of words tell an etymological story about the word, and every time there are grammatical reforms that remove these letters to make writing more "rational," the gay bureaucrats are erasing part of the history of language and humanity.
>>736420914>that VNThe most unforgettable horror porn game I've ever played. No other game had a bunch of elementary schoolers gangbang a teenage girl against a wall. And the teenage girl loved it. No other game I've played had a 17 year old bishonen guy drink a 14 year old girl's piss and chase her down the hall to rape her, only to wind up getting anally raped by a 32 year old fat man. I still remember the scene where a 16-17 girl was hiding under a bed as her same age best friend was having sex with that same 32 year old fat guy on top. She heard every moan, bed shake and sound. In the wrong end she was discovered under the bed by her friend and made to join. A most terrifying scene was when an unwilling girl relives another girl's sex memories. The girl in the memory consented but the reliving girl didn't. It didn't matter that she was mentally screaming, her body in the memory did all the motions and actions as in history. It's like mind control rape except the victim was fully aware. Another scene the same girl and a friend were almost raped in a magic sex ritual, saved by the girl's older sister, and the backlash made the older sister want to rape her younger sister and friend.The loli in this pic is freakishly lewd and once disguised herself as a teenage girl, fucked a boy until he nearly came, transformed back saying>You thought you were having sex with a highschooler weren't you? I'm an elementary schooler all along!And leglocks that boy, forcing him to cum inside her unprotected, when he screams in fear upon learning this. This isn't even getting into the tentacles, the gay sex, the lesbian sex, the incest, the sequel's mother/daughter lesbian scene, etc. The first chapter alone contains lots of lesbian sex scenes with an unavoidable girl masturbating in the bathroom. Truly horror is intrinsically connected with sexuality.
>>736422752>gangbang a teenage girl against a wall.How do you do that? There isn't enough space to do that
>Ahh, Genji-san, what seems to be the issue? You look rather pale...>Save this baby's life? I'm a physician, not a surgeon.>Well if it means another couple of Kinzo-san's gold bars, I suppose I'll give it my best...What the fuck was his problem?
>>736422802you just have to be agile enough
>>736403437Exactly. Otherwise its a 'kinetic novel', and therefore not a game.
>>736399734book worse than a book, game worse than a game.....i fucking love it
>>736400248
>>736406785Nukitashi 2's worst route
>>736399734No, visual novels are not videogames.
>>736408165>tfw Rose Gun Days is finally localized before Ciconia chapter 2
Shannon and Beato, kissing as they both fill with cream
>>736417721>As you know, sad things are happening all over the world today. In particular, the ravages of war in Ukraine made me feel unscrupulous to continue writing about war, even if it is fiction. Only in peace can we enjoy horror and tragedy, mystery and murder as fiction. However, in these times of peace, which are very difficult to describe, isn't Ciconia inappropriate? That is what I thought. Ciconia is the first of my works in which the ending of the story is clearly defined from the beginning. Therefore, it is not possible to change the synopsis. However, to put it in Umineko's style, the way the story is read out can make a big difference in what is told, even if it is the same story. What kind of stories do you recite in these times of uninterrupted sad news of wars and natural disasters? We sincerely apologize for the wait, but I hope you will give me time."
>>736423856Not cartoon cellulite :(Why are we recreating flaws
>>736424374>Only in peace can we enjoy horror and tragedy, mystery and murder as fiction.the fact that he wrote the next silent hill game makes me think he just doesnt want to work on Ciconia anymore
>>736424359My cream.
Hey everybody just popping in to say this post >>736409858made my peepee hard, happy gaming!
beatrice is a flat chested girl
>>736424374This is DEFINITELY not just an excuse to not write it anymore.
>>736424536Just wait for the Answers interview to recontextualize it.
>>736423856>mfw he made her ass fatter in response to a slimmer edit
>>736421570what the fuck, that's like the worst part
>>736424424I find it funny that nothing in SH:F comes even remotely close to the pants shitting terror of that scene he wrote in ciconia of people being ripped apart
>>736399734To me, for something to be a game, it has to follow this loop:>Player is given information>Player uses information given to them to make a decision>Player makes an input based on their decision>Information given changes based on the player inputTherefore, a fully kinetic VN (no choices from beginning to end) would not be a game, as it never reaches step 3, but so long as there is a single choice that changes the information being given to the player, it is a game.
>>736413192>The original gender of the child is never revealed.Yasuda is female. I don't know how many times this needs to be said because it's extremely obvious to anyone who has actually read the entire story, but Genji has no reason to hide her from Kinzo if she is male. It really is as simple as that.This debate has never happened in the Japanese community because they are not speedreaders and/or influenced by unrelated IRL factors.
>>736399734>Would you consider Umineko, and VNs in general, games?umineko yes because it has interactivity, just very limited interactivity, it is almost entirely a sound novel then it introduces gameplay in the final chapter with fail/branch conditions (alternate endings / scenes)the same goes for higurashi except that higurashi doesnt even have a second ending, it only has the fragment assembly section that rewards you with the infamous 34 epilogue if you assemble the perfect fragment without making a mistake and shattering one of themvisual novels in general, id say it depends on the gameplay, if it is entirely a static novel no its just entertainment software as it lacks a failure condition which is what a game needs to be a game
>>736424845>raised without a rock piercing his pelvis>grows up to look nothing like beatrice>in fact kinzo never tried to rape himHmm
>>736424845Kinzo would absolutely rape a male thoughbeit
>>736424845You think Kinzo wouldn't rape a young boy in a drunken fugue? It's not ironclad evidence.The facts as it lay is that Ryukishi did not offer anything conclusive, and twice over has denied the opportunity to lay down anything conclusive in interviews. It is deliberately ambiguous, and you need to accept that ambiguity.>This debate has never happened in the Japanese community because they accept the ambiguity. End of that sentence.
>>736425018If the male looked like Beatrice, sure.
>>736425018A male cannot be Beatrice. This is the entire hidden message of Episode 3 and Episode 7 by the way. Literally both of these episodes show this in different ways.
>>736425010Isn't that an alternative universe though? For all we know that one could've just swapped the chrimosomes.
>>736425113Oh no, Hideyoshitrice bros... Our theory...!It's crumbling...!
>>736425010Lion being brash and brazen about claiming the lordship loses its dramatic weight if Lion is a boy and not a girl though. It just makes him a pompous brat instead of a breaker of conventions.
>>736425202We've moved on to Battlertrice.
>>736425161Not how the sea of kakera works to our knowledge.
>>736424845Ive learned to not even waste time talking about this here because nobody has actually read the story and this board is full of bored tourists who just want to rant and argue no matter the scenario
>>736424845>he doesn't know about DESIRE
>>736425113Say it in red, you can't.
>>736425221>It just makes him a pompous brat instead of a breaker of conventions.I mean, yeah? That is how entitled rich people behave
>>736425309YAMI WO KIRISAKU
>>736399734Yes, if they have at least some bare minimum diverging paths or other gameplay elements.
>>736424445no, MY cream whipped cream>>736424751I know it's weird.
>>736425113Would kinzo feel that way tho
>>736399734>Battler gets to suck on those tiddies every night while having baby making sex with herLucky prick.
>>736425520>he doesnt know
>>736423173The bars were to keep his mouth shut after the fact
>>736425504Yes, he would. It's not about what he wants, it's about what he can't have. The name and role of "Beatrice", whether it be inferred or inherited, can only belong to a woman. Episode 3 has a paradoxical solution otherwise, and it's even more critical in Episode 7, where quite literally NOTHING would make any sense. The entire fabric of the story collapses if this was not the case and I'm honestly amazed that this even has to said aloud.Every single person who makes it to the end of the story should understand this implicitly.
>>736425567Don't care. Beatrice and Yasu are technically two different beings from two different universes.
>>736425824>wall of cope
Frankly, umineko is a garbage nip franchise and only retards and weebs thinks its cool.
>>736402426Why are you only considering endings spoonfed to you? Why don't you consider your own endings you figured out to count?
>>736425824>Episode 3 has a paradoxical solution otherwiseCan you explain this partI looked on the wiki at the solution but i dont see how it becomes paradoxical if yasu is male
>>736401260>>736399734>>736402426>>736404209>>736419792fuck off and die shitokoniggerlearn to multitask with your half baked brain you fucking handicapped 1v1 on gunz i will butterfly your ass
>>736425824Actual bullshit. "Paradoxical solution"? Do you think they said "kanojo" in red or some nonsense?
>>736424845Because the Japanese can accept ambiguity and not forcing Yasu to be female like how it keeps happening by Westerners in so many games.
>>736426072No cope, only facts.>>736426120Eva's purported role is impossible if Yasu is male.
>>736426401Eva only has a role in the murder of Rosa and Maria, and Battler at the end but that's not even a mystery she straight up shoots him. She didn't commit any other murder in that episode.
>>736426401Ok but howall it takes for someone to be beatrice is to solve the epitaph then they become herEva becomes her because she solves itI dont see a contradiction there
>>736399734how did ryukishi go from higurashi to the absolute shitshow that is umineko?
>>736426530>all it takes for someone to be beatrice is to solve the epitaph then they become herWhat in the fuck?
>>736426353>Because the Japanese can accept ambiguityEven though it was the Japs mindbroke Ryukishi with their speculative criticisms while westerners eat Umineko's magic end up for breakfast.
how about you all just shut thef fuck up and let Sayo be Sayop.s. Yasu is an insult don't call them that
>>736426665Japs are ambiguous but fundamental while westerners are specific but abstract, it's not complicated we're the ones who had Plato for millennia
spanking beato until she explodes
>>736426665Umineko is good but you can't take the story as seriously as Higurashi
>>736424845Youre right but your reasoning is wrongKinzo is a bad man and that wouldnt stop himIts to actually do with recessive geneticsIn other words its once again a brutal mogging of Japan by ItalyGODs
>>736426665Why wouldn't I accept the magic end? I want Ange to be happy.
Beatrice is a woman because otherwise that would mean Battler is gay and Battler is not gay
>>736426921[red/] Battler is gay [/red]
>>736424374>As you know, sad things are happening all over the world today>Only in peace can we enjoy horror and tragedy, mystery and murder as fictionHe should be knowledgeable enough to know that there were wars happening during the initial release and there will be some sort of conflict going on even after Ukraine/Palestine/Iran/Sudan/Myanmar/... wrap up...
>>736426794I love both stories dearly because the themes of seemingly unexplainable phenomena being interpreted as supernatural is very compelling. I grew up in an extremely religious village in Scotland and it totally wrecked my psyche so Umineko in particular hits super hard for me. The sheer level of psychosis passed on to the young men and women by the older men can't be overstated but Umineko shows their evil for what it is, pitiable fear born of war trauma and alcoholism. It helped me feel more sorry for them even though my heart is still full of hate.
