What even is a “gacha game”? I keep seeing Wuthering Waves described as a gacha game but how is it different from any other open world action slop?
Gacha Derangement Syndrome inbound
Beggars gonna beg
It’s basically a game that uses every single dark pattern in the book to rope you into paypigging. They groom you like an apex predator grooms a newcomer fo anal sex in US prison system. Each new character costs about $200 (expected value) but they hide the true price by putting it behind a gambling mechanic. The gambling mechanic IS the “gacha” that makes it a gacha game. But the entire point is to obscure the fact that a new character is expected to cost about $200 on average. After that, you can spend another $200 for duplicates of that character up to 6 times. So a giga whale paypig can spend thousands of $$$ on a single character. And a new character gets released every 3 weeks.
Gacha is slot machine character aquisition and like 4 obtuse character progression systems that are literally nothing but grinding.The worst part about gachas is that they are snore inductively easy, then you hit a gear wall and its impossible, then you grind for mats and its back to being being easy. Literally all gacha have this shit. Its a genre for people who like to think about playing videogames, but dont actually want to.
>>736400757its a monetization scheme disguised as a game
>>736400757Gacha comes from Gachapon. You can figure it out yourself from there.
>736402102>i only played fgo 12 years ago but i know it all
It means that you generally have to roll a currency to obtain a new character rather than obtaining them through any kind of story progress.It also means that if you're one of the countless retards on /v/ who thinks you're entitled to have every single character even though the game is entirely free that the game is somehow forcing you to pay because you have zero self-control and thus it's bad.See: >>736401178
>>736400757gacha is a monetization scheme. /v/ has conflated it as being a genre. there are open world action, jrpg, srpg, autochess, beat-em-up, deckbuilder, etc. games using gacha systems to make money, but gacha is not itself a genre.
>>736402102I wish Granblue was like that.You grind and grind, then you suffer and keep grinding. I've yet to experience the part where it goes back to being easy and I can lay off the grinding.
>>736402672>you will own nothing>and you will be happy
>>736400757>What even is a “gacha game”?A game that uses the gacha monetization model as its primary source of income. Using Fire Emblem Heroes (FEH) as an example with this super super old webm, the characters you see there, you have to "summon". And some skills they have may be exclusively on certain characters that you have to summon for and then sacrifice (inherit to) to you favorite characters for them to use. How do you get these characters?Well, FEH has a summoning system where you pay 5 orbs (the ingame currency for summoning) to start a summoning session. And you start a session on a specific banner where it would display either 3-4 (or in some cases 6 0r 12) characters that share a 3% or 6% or 8% rate (depending on the number of focus characters) and the 97%-92% gets shared on other pools of characters you could have a chance of summoning. When you start a session, you have 5 orbs to choose from and open up and you have minimal information on them besides the color of the character it would be (each color has a set roster of weapon types). And opening up all 5 orbs will cost you 20 orbs as the cost drops from 5->4->4->4->3 in the session. So you're expected to spend 100 orbs or so for your target character, half if you're lucky, 150-195 where you hit the amount where you're guaranteed the banner focus character if you are unlucky. Most importantly, it cost ~50 cents per orb. Because of the randomness and when you have hundreds of thousands of players, and they're incentivized to dump $500 or $1K on their characters if they're too impatient to wait 6 months for the resources, this is how gacha games make mad bank.
>>736404064and players are incentivized to pull for 11 copies, and pull other units for skills like the black pegasus unit in the webm who got a skill inherited to her to go on those traps and be unaffected by them as evident by the purple pulsing effect.
>>736400757It's mostly a quality thing. When a game is really really low quality, people call it a "gacha" game
Thoughts on Hiyuki so far?
>>736402530>nooooo you bigot! gacha are socially accepted now, don't criticize them!
A gacha game is a game that uses psychological manipulation, most notably the actual 'gacha' mechanics, to take advantage of you.>daily tasks make it so opening the game is forced to become part of your daily routine, you can't go 24 hours without thinking about the game>battle passes force you to grind - for more rewards you have to pay for a premium pass, which incentivizes you to grind even harder since anything you don't earn is effectively lost money>the games use FOMO to incentivize you to get whatever new characters are out immediately since you don't know when they'll come back, and all anybody will talk about for days or weeks will be that new character>the actual gacha mechanics - you use ingame currency to pay for a *chance* at getting a new character. You specifically use ingame currency to help obfuscate and incentivize paying real money not for a character in a game, but for a mere chance at getting themRepeat until you've wasted a dozen, then a hundred, then a thousand dollars on a game that forces you to pay monthly and grind exorbitantly with no guarantee of any actual reward.TL;DR: A gacha game is a complete waste of fucking money that only betas unironically into SPH get involved with. Stay away.
>>736405694You don't have to pay anything.You don't get any "actual reward" for playing any video game.Every video game can fundamentally be considered a "waste of time".
>>736400757Like the name implies, Wuthering Waves uses "waves" as a theme in more ways than one. The most obvious aside from water motifs and sound wave terminology, is the music. WuWa has some of the best fucking music in gaming. Period. That's one of the things that sets it apart from other gacha
>>736405887>You don't have to pay anything.Of course not, that's why I said "psychological manipulation" and not "outright extortion".>You don't get any "actual reward" for playing any video game.You say 'playing', but referencing the part about 'paying' for a small chance at getting something you want. You DO get an actual reward when you pay for a proper video game in the form of a game to play, you DON'T get an actual reward when you pay in a gacha game.>Every video game can fundamentally be considered a "waste of time".You'll notice I never said "waste of time" at all.So why did you have to misrepresent literally my entire post to defend gacha games?
>>736400757Gacha has become code for “Chinese game”. It’s a racist term. Whenever a F2P game made in China comes out that’s competing with $120 American and Japanese games of similar quality, everyone derides it by calling it a gacha game. It’s pretty much a racist term at this point
>>736400757Based games = gacha game
>>736406289Basically thisI hate how people ignore good games made by korean and chinese then cry that gaming is dying
Thanks bros, I think I get it now. So what is a good starter gacha game to play?
anon will say gacha preys on addiction so its bad, but then waste hundreds of hours on autism slop
Also I was a little concerned about some of the stuff I read. Why don't the games just let you pay for the character you want instead of gambling for them?
>>736406545>anon wastes hundreds of hours on a game he paid for rather than just enjoying a F2P gameIt'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. Actually it kinda still is funny lol
>>736406289Literally nobody called Wukong a gacha game, but everyone knew it was chinese.If a F2P game has gacha mechanics as a hefty part of its monetization, then it's a gacha game. Doesn't fucking matter what country it's from.Also laughing my fucking ass off at you trying to run defense for jap gacha. They're the most lying, dishonest, hebrew fucks on the planet when it comes to these games. Some of the bullshit like the real money to fake money scam is even codified into law there.
>>736406181>You DO get an actual reward when you pay for a proper video game in the form of a game to play, you DON'T get an actual reward when you pay in a gacha game."Proper" video games >give you "trophies" or "achievements" for completing certain tasks>you have to pay an average of 50 to 80 dollars to play a digital version of it>want extra content? Wait 8 months for the DLC, goy. Did we forget to mention that'll be an extra 50 dollars plus tip?Gacha games>give you "trophies" or "achievements" for completing certain tasks>you have the choice to play them completely free without pirating>new minigame content is added each month, sometimes on a weekly basis>new story content is added, completely free to play, with further trophies and achievements to acquireAny other arguments?
>>736406743>"Proper" video games>Gacha gamesCorrect distinction.>you have to pay an average of 50 to 80 dollars to play a digital version of itYou pay for a product. You get a product. Correct.>you have the choice to play them completely free without piratingDidn't say you didn't. The games put constant pressure on the player to pay, lest they fall behind or miss out on time-limited content.
>>736406743best rewards!
>>7364065502 reasons. One, for the gacha publisher, it's more profitable to encourage players to become whales, rather than simply pay a flat price tag for a single character. Charging $20 for a new banner wife will never be as profitable as a whale spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars maxing out copies of his waifu to get the highest possible stats. Two, the psychological aspect for gacha players relies heavily on the risk factor of losing a chance at getting the girl they want. When you can easily buy an item you want, there's no risk involved. And if there's no risk involved, you aren't as emotionally invested. That feeling of victory you get when you win the gacha lottery and get the girl you wanted, creates a far greater dopamine rush.
>>736406969>The games put constant pressure on the player to pay, lest they fall behind or miss out on time-limited content.Irrelevant as long as you have the willpower to decline marketing tactics.
Shitty mobile games
>>736406969The only "content" you miss out on in gacha games but not rolling on the newest fomo characters is being unable to max star the latest round of high-end content.Which usually has no rewards tied to, only bragging rights.Could you make it any more obvious you've never even played a gacha game in your life?
>>736407223Again, that's why I called it psychological manipulation and not outright extortion.>>736407429>The only content you miss out on is the latest contentCorrect, thanks for backing me up.
>>736400757It's different because instead of unlocking new abilities via playing the game, you unlock them by paying 400 dollars per new character For example, in genshit to use revalis gale from BotW, you had to paypig to get a while new character
>>736407429>Could you make it any more obvious you've never even played a gacha game in your life?Damn, burn, you got his ass
All these low test answers. Gacha is reserved for those with disposible income and luck. For the utterly depraved that embrace self indulgence and pleasure of 2D images that represent a simpler and honest take of feminitiy. Luck is over coming the artificial gatekeeping game mechanics that stop you from obtaining a digital waifu for your temporary enjoyment before another comes your way. It is the best parts of greed and lust without baggage but not as tasty as the real thing. It is luck based so you can compare against others and revel in their or your own misery, misfortune or luck. It helps the graphics and game play may be well developed in their niche, animated splendidly, well acted or animated far superior to Western slop along with the numerous gooner pictures out there. It is a hobby reserved for the elite, whales always win and people argue over 'games' that have been progressively worse and still disatisfy. A gacha player obtains souless satisfaction and stands above plebs who debate a collection of dissapointing games like they were ever worth their time when gacha players earn more wealth in their lives.
>>736408056Or just look at the game's wiki
>mfw no one is interested in Hiyuki
>>736400757>yurislop gacha gayme
>>736400757A game focused around the acquisition of new characters in a system where limited in game currency (that can be purchased with real money) is spent for a chance to acquire new characters.
>736406969There is nothing to miss out on because nothing paid is truly limited in these games, everything always get rerunFree shit is limited and you can't pay to get it or replay it>736407128The actual reason is that a one time purchase doesn't give enough money to continue development of the game. These are games that end up having 100s to 1000s of hours of story writing in them and if voiced most of that will be voice acted in multiple languages which adds more to costs.
