>>736407718is skyrim really supposed to be in the center
>>736407826nah, also oblivion is unironically a comedy game
DD1 in the center with skyrim. faggot.
>>736407718I would have a bubble called "role playing" and pick all the games that let me live as either the created character or one of my own creation well in the world immersively. Most of the games on this chart suck horribly at that.
skyrim doesn't have good gameplay. what a joke.
I hate open world games. That said, give me Dark Arisen.
>>736407718>get some great ingredients>mix them all not following a proper recipe>get slop as a resultthis is exactly what skyrim is in that picture
>>736408107for that ill have to add CRPGS and i haven't played many CRPGs
>>736407826It's the most balanced in the categories but certainly not the best>pure gameplay is better than previous elder scrolls games but still not great>writing is mainly coasting off previous games that built an interesting setting for it>world is a very bog-standard open world
>>736407718>skyrim>gameplaywhatalso does your game truly belong there if people mod it to be near-unrecognizable and plays completely different as a default state of how skyrim is typically played
Ah yes, skyrim and oblivion, very well known for their writing
>Oblivion and Morrowind in "Writing">Oblivion in "Gameplay" My sides Also Witcher 3 mogs all of these games easily besides KCD
Not saying Skyrim is a jack of all trades, but it’s a pretty well rounded experience compared to other games.Also feel free to suggest other open world adventure games that belong in this chart
>>736407718>Oblivion has good writing bait used to be believable
>>736409265Oblivion has some interesting concepts, same with Morrowind, but yeah the actual writing isn't all there.
>>736407991I'd put it in the upper middle. The world itself is not terribly memorable, but the gameplay and writing live rent free in my head.I really don't get this misconception that being dialogue-heavy = quality writing. I wanted to fucking kill myself for 90% of TW3's cutscenes, which amounts to roughly 30 fucking hours.
>>736407718>I could entertain arguments for AssCreed Origins and maybe Odyssey having a good world but Valhalla is just shit >Skyrim does not have good writing, either move it to world or at least the intersection of world/gameplay >nothing about Skyrim’s world is all that different from Oblivion. Oblivion should definitely be moved to world/gameplay>I’d move both KCD games to the middle. They have very immersive gameplay systems and I don’t think the writing is bad enough for them to go anywhere else>Crimson Desert has shit everything, get rid of it. >DD1 would be on the intersection between gameplay and worldThat’s all I got atm
what about Gothic, Kingdom of Amalur, Risen, Two Worlds, and Valheim >>736409702Based.
>>736407718Every single one of those games would have been improved a lot by adding a character creator in a free roam mode. And you all know that's true.
>>736410032Dragon's Dogma has a character creator and a free roam mode. Hell, they're both part of the story.
>>736409857>GothicWould orbit around the diagram because it simultaneously has great world, writing, and gameplay design while also being shit>Kingdoms of AmalurGod of War but an action RPG: gameplay and only gameplay (deserves to be there more than the LotR games honestly)>RisenNever played>Two Worlds World/gameplay but most of the box should be covered up by Oblivion>ValheimWorld because I hate survival crafting
>>736409857i need to play KOA
>>736410158Look up RohanKar’s repacks. He’s done some great work with abandonware
>>736407718exploration is the most important part of an open world game for me
>>736407718I want more "Gameplay/World" games.Gameplay/World > Gameplay > the rest in whatever order
>>736410362The thing is, exploration is subjective. Some people find RDR2 and KCD's empty fields more interesting than the theme parks of TW3, TES, and AC. And you also have people who say ER has terrible exploration, while I think it's some of the bestIt has a lot more to do with what you find interestinglocations themselves, stories, encounters, or something else
>>736410518check out>>736410147
>>736410627This. Even otherwise linear games like Deus Ex or Thief have some excellent exploration imo.
>>736407876funny, because this picture could be applied to souls games, yet v will claim that souls games are the best thing ever
>>736410518Completely unorthodox answer here but I’m going to say Myst and Riven qualify, especially Riven. The puzzle gameplay in both *is* the world design. Probably not what you’re looking for but I wanted to give a fun answer. If you want a boring answer then something like BG3, Prey 2017, or System Shock 2
>>736410671Sure.>>736411005Not what I was looking for, but it is an unorthodox answer that applies well in a different way.
for me its monster hunter
>>736407718No HoM&M on the list?
>>736411294Is HoM&M an open world adventure game?
>>736407718I still remember when everyone who wasn't a couch gamer agreed skyrim was the quintessential ocean as deep as a puddle game.
>>736407718It's fascinating how Skyrim is both undeniably the GOAT fantasy open world RPG and how much seething over it that causes.
>>736411254>Open world
>>736411618You made the bait too obvious by adding rpg.
>>736411618>It's fascinating how Skyrim is both undeniably the GOAT fantasy open world RPG and how much seething over it that causes.That is only because of mods. However, I also believe that the moddability of a game should be taken into account when discussing its overall quality and Skyrim is inarguably the GOAT in that respect.
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it really is crazy annoying how good ubisoft is at designing open world maps and how bad they are at filling them with anything
>>736411903I finished FC5 and still had Ubisoft Pass, so you tried WD Legion. And man, London in that game looks great even though it’s an obnoxious lib fest
>>736411903Ubisoft has always had some really talented people working for them, even with the brain drain they've been suffering over the past several years. I picked up Splinter Cell and Sands of Time off GOG recently and its remarkable just how many good to great games Ubisoft used to make.
>>736407718GameplayGothic1, 2, dragon's dogma 1 and 2 are the only good and fun open world game ever madeNothing else matter
>>736412398Dragon Dogma is barely open world. There like 2-3 open zones
>>736412542Open world doesn't mean massive empty field with ubisoft style towers and subquestOpen world means you're free to explore most areas early on without progressing story
>>736407718Morrowind or DDDA.
>>736409108>>pure gameplay is better than previous elder scrolls gam-Fucking retard lol
>>736410791In what sense could this be applied? (other than world design)
>>736412881refer to >>736411850
>>736407718>shadow of mordor>gameplay
>>736407718Does Morrowind really excel well at the worldLike, the greater world being described, and the metaphysics of it, are definitely cool, yeahBut as far as the actual worldspace goes, you've got>brown>brown>mud>swamp>brown>gray>crag>swamp>brown>swamp>gray>brown>copy pasted buildings>brown>gray>swamp
>>736407718the only correct list
>>736407718Going to go with Death Stranding in the center Kojima A game writing Crazy interesting worldTraversal gameplay and combat
>>736409857>>736412881>ValheimDoesn't belong on the chart. Might as well put Minecraft there.
Coomrim jeetoids pretending it's a good game lol
>>736413874"Open-world", retard
>>736407718None of these. My bias is Dragon's Dogma with BBI, and Morrowind. I still think open world games can do better.
>>736412921A very fun game to play. What are you smoking?
>>736413874Did... did you just put the most faggiest owlcat game in the middle? Why not Rogue Trader? It's better in every aspect.
>>736407718Im surprised fallout isnt on there at all
>>736417019Not enough coomer shit in it to be considered playable by poojeet
>>736407718>Skyrim has good gameplay>which has HP-sponge enemies, no copmbos, just button-mashing and an entire way of playing (most magic) being borderline useless, while also still allowing you to reliably stagger enemies at no cost, while doing almost zero magic>Morrowind with combat, which is just as broken, but more fun, isn't part of the gameplay circle>Skyrim which has typical Bethesda writing, where "everyone is right/has enough arguments to support them with no counter-arguments", so the player can always decide who they believe (it's gotten so bad in Fallout 4 that they can't even decide if Synths are Human or not, even though you can loot synth components, reprogram their entire personality, while still being flesh-and-blood Humans with fully Human personalities and no "convenient" way to check if they are synth or not)
>>736407718>Oblivion in gameplaylmaowhy are Obliviontards like this? why don't they ever acknowledge how dogshit that game plays?
>>736419337It should be on the outer edge of gameplay and deeper in the writing circle.
>>736419405it shouldn't be in gameplay at all. put it firmly in world and nothing elseno, the writing isn't good either lol
>>736411903>designingThat's the easy part>filling themThere's no point to doing this, open world is just a playable filler level select where you occasionally pick up junk. This is why games like SotC are the only good open worlds.
>>736407718>Skyrim>Gameplay>better than all thishuh?
>>736421389Nta But Skyrim actually has builds
>>736407718Morrowind writing is mostly shit thou
>>736421539No, it's fucking not. You’ve literally get every single fucking perk in the game at some point.Not to mention that all the perks are absolute nonsense like "your two-handed weapon deals 20% more damage" and the armour/weapon stats are nonsense like "you deal 10 fire damage" and this is while there is basically no difference between the various damage types
>>736407718outward
>>736421834I know it has good gameplay and an interesting worldHow's the writing?
>>736421880i don't rememberreplay sometime before 2 drops i guess
>>736407718fixed
>>736407991DD1 sucks and DD2 reinforced that
>>736422079Outposts are fun but world Mgs5 sucks ass Both afganistan and Africa are boring
>>736407718>Skyrim and oblivion in gameplayLol
>>736410346I /kneel
