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>>736411548>enhanced editionPlay it properly next time
>>736416753>>736416416I have BG1+2 (original) installed. What's the most fun class?I usually love spellcasters but Vancian magic makes me wary. Would I have enough spells to spam and obliterate encounters in the endgame?
>>736416819>enough spells to spam and obliterate encountersif this is what you want play sorcerer
>>736416869Sorcerer was the guy who has a number of spell slots and can cast whichever one he wants of that level if he still has a slot for it? Isn't that just straight superior to a wizard? What does the wizard have to offer in return for its drawback of having to prepare each spell?
>>736416926wizards get a larger variety of spells to choose from with somewhat more utility and versatilityhowever this really only matters in tabletop. in a crpg where combat is a huge focus the sorc is just better imo, esp having high base charisma gives you some social utility anyway
>>736416998>however this really only matters in tabletopMakes sense, I vaguely recall hearing memes about wizards getting into a combat encounter but only having 3 uses of featherfall preparedHow complicated are the games for a newfag? I played some cRPGs, and I had no problem with something like KotOR
>>736411548FORWARD MARCH
>>736411548How was it that most isometric CRPG of the time always turned out rushed and unfinished except for Baldur's Gate 1 and 2? How did they get so lucky? BG 1 and 2 are absolutely jam packed with content.Not like it mattered much anyway because Bioware went the bethesda route and excepted that CRPGs don't sell very well and take up too much time to make so they started to appeal to console normie audiences and made their games incredibly simple mechanically because they think their audiences are retard
>>736417040kotor uses an almost identical ruleset so if you didnt struggle with it mechanically you'll be fine. yeah the joke was always that a common housecat looks at a lvl 1 wizard and goes yeah and? the payoff is that at max level, they can usually handle a sorcerer using counterspell and other stuff, but in a crpg it rarely feels worth it
Fuck vancian magic, man. Even when I finally have enough spells to actually use them, I hoard spell slots until I realize I'm at the end of a dungeon.
>>736417448Just give me a pure cooldown-based system like Tyranny any day. Yes it does mean that literally every single party member wants ot have some spells equipped and that mages have about 100x the usefulness of any other "class", but as a magefag I'm okay with that
>>736416998>esp having high base charisma gives you some social utility anywayCharisma does nothing for sorc in BG1/2, despite what some descriptions say.Sorc has all the same stat "requirements" as Mage. Int and Wis is needed for Wish, Con 15, Dex 18, Str 18 for optimal stats, but Dex and Str can be lower without huge impact.
>>736417245Bioware lucked out, and they didn't really focus on choices that matter or made sense.
>>736417845minmaxing is for niggers>muh wish
I think I'm actually done with chapter 2 now. I've got the party members, done any urgent quests, got alright gear. I think I'm good to go. The one thing I might want to do is the eye cult quest since I think they give the bard an 18 con belt that would be really nice.Neera being shit has opened up a party slot but there's a few upcoming characters that I might slot in. I'm debating with another mage or another frontline. My frontline is basically the bard and a bunch of summons which works fine but having another physical threat could be good.55 hours I've spent wandering around... I didn't think I let myself get that distracted
>>736416416>>736416753I just took the picture from somewhere online. I have in fact played the original
>>736416819>What's the most fun class?Mages are terrible at low levels, not just because of the lack of spells but because the spells themselves kind of suck. Even magic missile only starts getting good at level 5 or so. But they are very fun at higher levels. You do end up with plenty of spells eventually.You can do a multiclass fighter/mage or thief/mage or cleric/mage if you want to be able to do other things when your mage has no spells. Mage multiclasses have some great synergies, especially in Baldur's Gate 2. Fighter/Mages can buff themselves considerably while debuffing enemies, Cleric/Mages get tons of utility, healing, and can use cleric spells in the mage's spell sequencer.Thief/Mages are... well there's not as much synergy but they're very cool still. You can cast invisibility so you don't have to worry about hide in shadows failing. Clerics get some pretty great spells also. I find them quite fun to play.Druids are great, and quite powerful outdoors, but IMO they're better in Icewind Dale.
>>736418156I think multiclassing might be a bit much for my first playthrough to be desu with you
>>736417040>How complicated are the games for a newfag? I played some cRPGs, and I had no problem with something like KotORThey're pretty simple once you wrap your head around THAC0 and shit like that. You can kind of play it like a squad-based RTS with quests, equipment and levelling up.
BG should have had far more class variety than it does. There are way too many multi-class characters and they're all fighter or cleric crosses and all use the same weapons.
>>736417245>How did they get so lucky?Putting out a game that isn't rushed and unfinished isn't luck.
>>736417448>Fuck vancian magic, man. Even when I finally have enough spells to actually use them, I hoard spell slots until I realize I'm at the end of a dungeon.Maybe you're treating them too much like valuable consumables. It's more like ammo. You don't want to use too much of it but there's absolutely no point in hoarding it when there's more just around the corner.
>>736417448Don't you get cantrips or something?
The way the pause and turn combat works is quite hard to figure out and pilot. So many spells have aoe so you're forcibly holding back your frontline so they don't get nuked by skulls and it's so hard to react to damage and heal since even the best characters tend to sorta explode when actually hit. You also need to watch what weapons your mages have since the AI will happily run them into melee at the first opportunity
>>736418193>I think multiclassing might be a bit much for my first playthrough to be desu with youIf you're playing human and have to dual class, yeah, that's complicated.If you're an elf or something, it's really just set and forget. Multiclasses are great in Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale (1) because it's like having two classes at 80% power, instead of two classes at 50% power and slow as shit progression.
>>736418314I get it but it just seems "prudent" in my mind to conserve resources when I don't know what and how many fights lie ahead. Also fuck personally the guy who put both fireball and haste in the same spell level.>>736418345Only in the 5ed
>>736418345>Don't you get cantrips or something?NTA, but not in Baldur's Gate
>>736418452>Also fuck personally the guy who put both fireball and haste in the same spell level.True. Guess the only thing to do is to add more mages!
>>736418403>You also need to watch what weapons your mages have since the AI will happily run them into melee at the first opportunityYeah I just turn the AI off and pause if I have to issue precision commands.You get a feel for the spell areas after a while
>>7364185535 fighter-mages1 fighter-mage-thief
>>736418639I'd put in a cleric/mage but otherwise that's a pretty great party if you have the scrolls to go around
>Multi classing>Dual classingyou didn't beat the game. and your a gaylord
>>736418618If I turn AI off I feel like I'm going to forget someone and they're gonna sit idle the entire fight.Actually, can someone tldr me on how exactly fighting enemy wizards is supposed to go? I just finished Neera's quest where you fight a stupid amount of them and they cast a whole bunch of effects on themselves that I simply can't keep track. So far I've made sure to keep the debuffing tools handy. I have true sight on my sorcerer, plenty of dispell magic and remove magic, but I don't really know how it works. Is dispel supposed to remove all effects? They always seem to keep their mirror image or stoneskins and whatever. I can't tell what's working.
>>736418639Now make them all cast magic missile on the same enemy, or layer fireballs/skull traps/horrid wiltingsBetter yet:>outdoors>6 fighter/druids with call lightning
>>736418765I don't remember all the complicated spell dispelling stuff, but I think dispel is supposed to work on almost everything if it's a high enough level. But I think there's one protection that can eat dispels. in BG2 it gets needlessly complicated and requires too much preparation and combat-log-reading IMOApparently inquisitors are very good at killing mages, due to casting dispel at such a high level
>>736417845Sorcerer doesnt exist.
>>736418710>t. cuck/concessor
>>736419613nigger
>>736419486>Apparently inquisitors are very good at killing mages, due to casting dispel at such a high levelyeah, I never needed to learn all this overly complicated mage defenses rock paper scissors because of my bro Keldorn
>>736419662That's not a multiclass
>>736419723>casually smiling while his armor bears the blood spatter of the last mage he cleansed from the face of abeir-toril
>>736420062The good has been upheld
>>736419723>vanillaits only needed in SCS and Keldorn doesnt auto win there
>>736419935thief/barbarian
>>736421030>thief/barbarianFucking KEKYou win this one anon, well done
>>736421030Conanbros...
I actually did start to use backstabs recently and they're genuinely so useful... If only the game properly taught you how to use them and they weren't obnoxious to get set up when you're already micromanaging the rest of your party.
>>736421110barbarian cant multi/dual class in bg1/2
>>736411548This shit is burned into my brain god knows how many decades later, just unfortunately likeHEY YAHITSME IMOEN
I've never played Siege of Dragonspear. Is it fun?
>>736416819>What's the most fun class?Any caster. Martials don't have much to do until you get high level abilities late in bg2. >I usually love spellcasters but Vancian magic makes me wary. Would I have enough spells to spam and obliterate encounters in the endgame?You will absolutely have enough spell to do anything you want by late-game. There's even a spell for restoring spells.You should be more worried about early game, when you have like 1 spell slot>>736416869Sorcerer is terrible for a newb. It thrives on knowing what spells are useful and which aren't, and you're just not going to know that on a first playthrough.>>736416926Sorcerer's pick what spells to learn on level up. Wizards learn from scrolls.Wizards can learn and cast every arcane spell in the game, while sorcerers are limited to the 4/5 of each spell level they picked out.
>>736418403>>736418618You can turn on visible aoe in Baldur.lua if you're playing enhanced edition>>736418765EEex has a component for seeing what spells are active on a target when mousing over them.
