>The /v/eddit propaganda pushed by terrible videogame reviewers is now being broken and DS2 is finally getting the praise it deserves as the BEST souls gameIt feels good to have stood by DS2 since the beginning.
>>The /v/eddit propaganda pushed by terrible videogame reviewers is now being broken and DS2 is finally getting the praise it deserves as the BEST souls game>It feels good to have stood by DS2 since the beginning.
>>736417138Not an argument.
>fromtroon thread>extremely low qualityStandard procedure.
>>736416963Factual, just finished my yearly replay earlier, next year i want to do a faith build or a rapier build
>>736417281You're right, it's not. You're not worth one.
>>736416963Dark Souls II is a much better game than any souls game that came after it, that much is true. I also personally prefer it to 1, however contrarian that is.
>>736417341I bought the first remastered one 3 months ago and dropped it after one hour, it's really hard going back to 1 after experiencing Dark Souls 2's enemy Ai and unpredictable patterns, oh i can just backstab every black knight swordsman? oh i can just bleed the boss by cutting his tail? not being contrarian, fact of the matter is, it did not age well especially when you know the ins and outs
>>736416963>Hated by tourist>Beloved by true fanMany such case
>>736417581i know this post is bait, but i unironically did find ds1 very boring
>>736416963it's the worst of the souls games. it's too easy
>Enemies that can run in the water while you remain slow>small arena boss fights>invisible enemies>unfair swarms of enemies ganking you>empty spaces baiting you for a gank squad to jump you>unfair fast enemies distracting you from the squad of turtle armor one shotting you>dark favelas with shooting poison darts with hollows waiting to push you over the ledge
>>736416963I'm gonna play it as soon as I finish ER. Hope it's not terrible.
>>736417976Don't, it's a complete unfair rape fest
>>736418018>plays as fat nigga>gets raped and dies
>>736418018skill issue, you can no-hit the game on level 1 with no gear
>>736416963Only low IQ goybrained culture war obsessed niggers hate dark souls 2.
Ah yes, the reviewers who are awful at games and caused everyone to have DaS2 because they shat on it relentlessly.The same reviewers who hated souls games until they became super popular and mainstream then changed their opinion? Completely ignoring the fact that Demon’s Souls (2009) was universally praised in Western reviews, and even won Gamespot’s GOTY award, beating Uncharted 2.The same reviewers who are terrible at the games and unable to play properly so they shit on the games? Never mind the fact that reviewers played pre-patch SOTE and almost none of them complained about difficulty, despite fighting pre-pre-nerf Consort Radahn? Yes, he was nerfed twice, and only reviewers and very specific circumstances of Ps4/Ps5 users (soecific disk version and downloading DLC but not downloading patch) got to see it.
>>736418018just play with DS2LE and these enemies are too easy to see
>>736418918It takes a shit on the entire soul of the game and turns it into a generic EA 3ds max lighting template
>>736416963/v/ always loved Dark Souls 2 althoughbeit. In every thread about the game there are enthusiasts proving again and again with FACTS and arguments why it's THE BEST! Dark fucking Souls
>>736419054it's designed to be totally tweakable so you can adjust every area to your liking but that's a lot of work, the dev responds to constructive feedback pretty well though
>>736419109i miss the threads were people would compare all the souls games and hit character limit in their posts explaining in great detail why dark souls 2 actually did certain things better than all the rest
>>736416963I still think it's the worst souls game but it's like 8/10, if it had the controls of 1 or 3 it would be a contender for the best in the series, but so many things would have to change to accommodate that it would be vastly differentprobably best DLC in the series? I'm one of those weirdos that actually likes ashes of ariandel though
>>736419054>and turns it into a generic EA 3ds max lighting templateAnon, the left is unmodded
dark souls II is the only game in the series i played to NG+8 on, it continued being slightly different each time, so i just kept going.
>>736419268>if it had the controls of 1 or 3 it would be a contender for the best in the seriesYou are genuinely retarded if you believe this
>>736419345it's possible but I really dislike the way 2 controls
The thing about Dark Souls 2 is that it fucking filtered people.Starting the game with just a few Estus Flasks and they being weaker and healing slowly, with longer drinking animation to boot. Way more enemies on the maps, weapon durability actually being a factor to consider, an actual penalty for dying repeatedly that could completely fuck you up, less i-frames by default on rolls, no easy access to 100% physical reduction shields from the start, and i could go on and on.People were not prepared for the actual challenge that was Dark Souls 2, that's why many ended up hating the game.
>>736419382Don't lie, did you play the first one?
>>736419395i remember asking my friend at the time why he "hated" (his own words) dark souls 2 and when i asked him to show me him playing it he died 11 times in a row to the 1 mace-wielding stone solder in the heide area and then turned it off
>>736419489I did play the first one, I even played it on PC before the mouse controls were properly patched and it didn't have mouse capture so I had to make sure my cursor was hovering over the game at all times so I didn't alt tab during fightsit might be too strong to say I "really dislike" das2 controls, you get used to it but the way your character rotates is annoying, in dark souls 1 it feels like when you move a direciton your character just goes that way
>>736419583You raped him didn’t you
>>736419583ok but we can agree this nigga was actually unfair as fuck though, no???
I do not think it's possible to like DS2 if you played DeS and DaS then played DS2 on release, doubly so if you accompanied the announcements and trailers. It was just such a major letdown that words fail to do it justice. The first time I played it, it immediately felt off and I remember my first thoughts were wondering why it looked so different from DS1 (I thought it looked weird), why it felt so floaty and wtf was up with the backstabs, and from there it all went downhill.>but SotfSWhile it is decidedly better than the vanilla launch, it still wasn't enough to make up for all the game's faults and I'd argue the new enemy placement made some areas worse. DS2 feels like a draft of what could have been a great Souls game, but then they ran out of time and money and were forced to release the draft rather than a finished product. It's the one Souls game that might actually benefit from a full remake that reworks it from the ground up.
>>736419590I just found it weird that you mentioned 1 and 3's controls considering 1 is extremely slow while 3 is extremely fast paced
>>736419640can we not say that word please
>>736420006he raped you?
>>736419758The only enemy that i would agree that was unfair and too much were these fuckers.They would spawn infinitely as long as you stayed on the map, and always when the blizzard striked and made very difficult to see anything. Also always more than 1 at a time.Doesn't help that Frigid Outskirts was a map without any bonfires, and pretty big with a hard duo boss fight to boot. Dark Souls 2 was really something that will not be repeated.
>>736420039>Doesn't help that Frigid Outskirts was a map without any bonfires, and pretty big with a hard duo boss fight to boot.because it was meant to be played in coop with others
>>736419907>I remember my first thoughts were wondering why it looked so different from DS1So you wanted a copy paste of ds1 when ds1 is already a copy paste of demon souls >wtf was up with the backstabsYeah it's harder to place since the enemy Ai is smarter>then it all went dunhillThen you huffed your own fart for a paragraph to say nothing.So ds2 is bad because it doesn't look like ds1 and the backstabs are harder to place, this is your critique.
>>736419907I played DS2 on release after having played DeS and DS1 and i loved it. I think that the series should have stayed like the that.On DS2 you feel like a knight on an unforgivable adventure, on 3 you feel more like an overpowered anime protagonist
>>736419907i had no expectations at all for ds2, a guy i had on steam just gifted it to me out of the blue and i booted it not even knowing the genre and had so much fun i pirated and played through ds1 after and then played all the other from games as they released in the future
>>736417913>>736418018Legit skill issue. watch a video on how to play the game.
>>736416963I decided to appreciate it cause just like Dead Rising 1 and Deadspace 1, Darl souls 2 has some lost technology
>>736420291Hey that's cool, i never knew that 2 had these attention to details
>>736420291>all those things no one except for a few autists cares aboutyawn
>>736420291>accidentally break chest by hitting it with my axe to test if it's a mimic>item permanently becomes "rubbish" and can't be re-looted without a new game+ or new characterF UUUUUUUUU CCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK YOU B TEAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
>>736416963Its not a bad game but it feels like a bad souls game.Its closer to kings field which makes sense given who directed the project.God from should make more kings field.
>>736420142It is a copy of DS1, just a shitty copy with a bunch of throaway gimmicks. I just wanted it to be consistent with what the series had presented up to that point or be consistent with what they showed before release instead of a tech demo that looks like it was made with free assets, in which characters look like they shat their pants when they run.
NOM NOM NOM
>>736420714woooooooooow
>>736416963Good souls games: Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, SekiroBad souls games: Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, Elden Ring
>>736416963DaS2 has the best randomizer playthrough potential of any fromsoft game
>>736420714>slams weapon, both hands, both arms, and head into the chest>surprised pikachu he gets gotoh no no no no no
>>736417913>Plays like a retard>Dieswhat did you think was going happen? That the mobs would just stand still and let you pass?
>>736416963its not that it deserves priase. its that its the same fucking game as rest of fromshit rehashes and autistic faggots are trying to pretend its some massive deviation and downgrade that is unplayable. its the same as des remake that plays identical in everyway to the original but at a stable framerate and looks a million times better.
>>736419907Interesting perspective. Funny enough DS2 was my first Souls game and its been my favourite ever since and I wondered why the other games were so different. I also really enjoyed DeS.
>>736420754Move DS2 and Shitkiro (which isn't even a Souls game at all) as well DeS remake to bad and you are correct.
>>736420838>That the mobs would just stand still and let you pass?works in ds1
>>736419758These, their 'prime' variants, and those fucking fire salamanders were true bullshit.The icehorses you could atleast stunlock to death.
>>736420714Ds2 shills will call this fair
Oh and fuck the DLC magic resistance where they just slapped the crystal lizard projectile resist effect on literally every monster.
>>736420838Ugh idk? that they don't get to run fast in the water while i remain sluggish
>>736420893>fire salamanders those are fucking worst
I think DS2 enjoyers just lack the capacity to understand a game's mechanical feel. Like how some people view all FPS games as the same and cannot comprehend gun feel and how bad gun feel could ruin an otherwise good shooter. I dunno what causes it, but if you understand game feel then disliking DS2 is an instinctual thing because the game feels awful, from the very first steps you take it feels disgusting to play.
>>736421159this.it is even evidenced in this very thread that when someone says "controls" many anons don't even know what that entails.the only thing saving DaS2 from being on the bottom of the list, is the fact that DaS3 is incredibly uninspired>>736420841>looks a million times betterpeople with artstyle blindness never fail to make me laugh. you think the music is better as well?>>736420794Sekiro is really good for that too
>>736419758Heide's tower of flame is completely baffling, the reward for exploring the area is making the boss fight harder, those enemies give little souls when being stronger than drangleic castle enemies, and SOTFS added a dragon for zero reason to the area.
>>736420646Switched your jacket from>my first thoughts were wondering why it looked so different from DS1to>ds2 is a copy of ds1Which is it? then you cried about the backstabs, it makes sense to make backstabs harder to place, a knight leaving his back wide open is gay af, it's a rookie mistake.
>>736420006Oh, he raped you instead?
I am convinced anyone who hates this game is an actual retard. Every single time i see someone hate this game their gameplay is complete dogshit, and filled with stuff like having 3+ enemies follow them all the fucking time or acting like that one cuphead review guy stuck on the tutorial.
>>736416963It's not the best, but it wasn't as bad as youtube told you. It was just... Alright, I guess.
>>736421159idk i'm pretty sensitive to game feel. hollow knight made other indie metroidvanias feel gross, dead cells made hades feel gross, etc.ds2 feels amazing from the first step to the last, like you're actually piloting a lost soul powering through a dangerous world.
>>736421159You must not play many video games
>>736420754Based.
>>736421159>I think DS2 enjoyers just lack the capacity to understand a game's mechanical feelThe feel was different from Dark Souls, but it wasn't enough for me to call it the worst game ever made like a histrionic BPDemon.
>>736421379>the reward for exploring the area is making the boss fight harderif you run and jump inside the circle after the fog wall the boss will lunge at you fall off and die instantly, alternatively just circle him a bit and bait a lunge near the edge for same effect. nice way to get through on subsequent funthroughs.
>>736421619This. It does feel like you’re slightly floating above the ground instead of actually walking on it. Doesn’t matter really, it also feels good to not be locked into a 4 way roll or a pitiful 2 way sprint while locked on like in DaS. The floating above the ground thing also applies to gta 5 driving pretending that it ruins the game is lmao ok bro tier
>>736419395Theory : a lot of casuals embarked in the souls train with dark souls 3 and by the time they finished it, they decided to play Dark Souls 2 and got immediately humbled when the game punished spam rolls and greedy attacks so they went and cried about it in reddit and youtube essays, you can find a lot of spergs start doing that post ds3 release, i know a lot of people who never played a souls game that just parrot what others say about ds2, is this a bad thing? no because it serves as the great filter
>>736421717The animation rigging in Dark Souls was top tier, it's an unironic joy to watch movement start and stop with complete inertia modelled in. DaS2 lacked this refinement in this and other areas of the game, which is a shame, but not a dealbreaker.
>>736421890yea the forest was just brutally hard, you had to learn every encounter, like i know that area like the back of my hand i know every ambush i know what every enemy does. Now look at ds3 what does any trash mob do? it doesn't matter cause you can just run through the entire game or just whack him with your giant sword, ds2 makes you feel like a master you learn everything about the game which makes me feel superior than new souls entries where you just run through every level collecting sparkly bois
>>736420516There is an area where you need to carry a torch in a long river to see the walkable path, you notice this when an enemy chases you and you roll away turning the torch off
>>736421407I didn't switch shit, you just have no reading comprehension and keep putting words in my mouth.
>>736421619>wasn't enough for me to call it the worst game ever made like a histrionic BPDemon.Well I never did that, although I do think it is a contender for worst Souls game thus far. However looking at this thread I'm seeing the opposite, DS2 fans screeching that it's the best Souls game and a great game and that anyone who dislikes it is a shithead so I wonder who the histrionic BPDemons really are.
>>736420543Y'know, you can clip your camera through Mimics. If the chest is one, you should be able to see its teeth through the model.There's also Lloyd Talismans which knock them out cold so you can loot their shit.
>>736420039Pretty sure that if you killed enough of those things, they'd stop spawning. I know, I wiped them out.
>>736422595>game has complex lighting system>gut it out so all that's left is a clumsy torch nobody uses
If you changed DS2's name, renamed Estus to something else and removed the intro cutscene, then presented it to someone as a bootleg soulslike made by some Eastern European in his basement they wouldn't question it for one moment.
>>736419907I played DS1 before DS2 and I enjoyed the latter more. It's more arcade and less immersive, but the level design and build crafting are way more engaging
>>736421159>I think DS2 enjoyers just lack the capacity to understand a game's mechanical feel.I think people complaining about the feel of DS2 are the fromtard equivalent of babies spitting out veggies because of their taste.The game feels differently. Plays differently. It's not strictly worse. Deal with it
Getting real tired of this shit
>>736423797>it's not strictly worsethat's a patently false statement>Deal with itNo, I'll just play something else because DaS2 is not fun
>>736416963Enough time has passed that I can finally admit I was stuck at the first bonfire at the forest of fallen giants for four hours. I was crying and shitting my pants and seriously thinking of going back to GameStop and demanding a refund. Then somehow I got better at the game
>>736423797>The game feels differently. Plays differently.Then why call it dark souls?
>>736424398Lore reasons
>>736420291I swear there's always something new I learn about DS2.I knew you could break the chests but I didn't know you could break doors. Also in huntsmans copse in the dark building you enter; you can break the wooden planks covering the windows to brighten up the place.
>>736423951Dark souls 2 is a good game though
>>736424491But the lore is barely connected with Dark Souls.
>>736416963
>>736424391This is what happened to most, if not all Dark 2 haters. Except the last part, where instead of getting good they dropped the game
>>736423951I agree.DS1 and DS3 do suck.
>>736424616Dark souls 3 references ds2 a lot, Ds2 on the other hand took the route of making the past games a distant memory to assert the point of kingdoms rise and fall with their legacy>but ds2 references ornsteinhe is not called ornstein, he is called old dragonslayer
>>736423072Personally I just test it with my body haha
>>736424391>>736424904>making up fictional scenarios and using them to criticise people who dislike the gameThis is some next level coping, does From actually pay you guys to defend DS2 or is it just naturally attract the mentally ill?
>>736421667Anon, that is exactly what I am referencing.Your reward for exploring the area is removing fall in the figh, so you can't just wait for the 7 steps then roll so he falls from the lunging attack.
>>736416963The food propaganda pushed by terrible cooks is now being broken and garbage is finally getting the praise is deserves as the BEST meal
>>736416963Say what you want but DS2 is a lot more memorable compared to DS3.Better to be janky than beige.
>>736424391I went through the same thing but in the shrine of amana and the undead crypt, not hours but a day or two, i played without guides initially so i didn't know where to go by the time i got most souls, took me a while to find the door that gets you to drangleic castle, the game never spoonfeeds you on where to go
>makes a very acurate critique of DS2 and its flaws, but despite it all states that the game is pretty good, he just personally found it disapointing (and not DS2 especifically, but every From game ever since)>autists and other youtubers take his word as it was the bible itself and launch a full hate campaign against DS2 across videogame forums and youtube >instead of ignoring it, some DS2 enthusiasts take the hate campaign personally and launch an equally retarded counter hate campaign, going as far as shitting on any From game that isn't DS2>to this day both sides still throwing shit at each other repeating the same stupid arguments and making cringy YouTube essays >the guy that started everything never address the issue and couldn't give less of a fuckButterfly effect.
Have completed the game twice, first katana/dex and then black hexer/pyromancer which was really fun.Can you suggest me fun buildpaths that do not make the game too easy?
>>736427395I remember when that video came out and I had to see retards parrot him in every thread for years.
>>736416963Dark Souls 2 contrarians are so fucking annoying, holy shit. The game is utter fucking trash with terrible graphics, animations, poorly designed areas, shit ass story and lore. Stop forcing other people to partake in your feces eating circlejerk you fucking moron.
>>736420291I don't get what the rice bag part is meant to show
>>736416963best healing systembest combatbest fashionbest story and lorebest level design most of the timebest bosses because lore bosses are the most soulsborne thing you can have
>>736417338>You're right, it's not. >You're not worth one.
>>736427395>says that the game is shit because it doesn't have gimmicks implemented by KamiyaThis is matthewtard in a nutshell.
>Dark souls [x] is just bad because it is!>it has [excuse for being bad] and [another excuse for being bad] >most of them are literally unplayable and [a third excuse for being a skrub] >anyone who says these games are good are [random buzzword]
>>736416963>this shit is better than this turd!>no, poop is better than both!!!Lmao @ fromsloppersThis entire series is trash. Arguing which particular instalment is better is truly deranged.
>>736427395They hate it because they played it and it sucks. It doesn't matter that an Irish guy criticized it. It's bad either way.
>>736418864He's probably talking about Youtube Reviewers, not Game Journalists and critical reception on release.The mid 2010's were filled with 'retrospectives' that made out like DS2 was the ugly stepchild of the Souls franchise.
>>736427948>best story and loreDude the entire story is literally>o bearer of the curse.. you must choose your own path... whether to take the throne (kindle the flame) or not>which does not matter since someone will do it anywaysSo ultimately it doesn't add anything new we didn't already know from DS1 and 3
>>736418018>>736419395This is the real Dark Souls! Slow, methodical, unfair dungeon crawls that tested your ability to handle it.Not these boss focused, spastic, rollslop fests caused by Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3.
I love DS2 and i think its one of the greatest games i ever played.I dont mind DS1 but it isnt a masterpiece everyone claims it isDS3 on the other hand, yea i despise every second of that game past the cathedral, they did it on purpose too because if i've reached abyss watchers sooner i would refund it
>>736428478>the only story in any story is the most simplified and reduced synopsis you can possibly make about it
>>736427713Sorry i meant to type 3 not 2.
DS2 and ER are the only souls games I ever finished. Dropped DS1 during the lava land cuz the lava was killing my eyes. Shit was bright as fuck. Dropped DS3 after the cursed armor boss cuz it was just boring imo
>>736428936fuck off retard
>>736417138This. DS2fags are contrarian shiteaters.
>>736421890>>736422207There is not a single DS2 enemy as well designed as the Lothric Knights in the starting area of DS3.
>>736417302I'm on my yearly now and doing faith for the first time. Its nit good at all. There's no offense
>>736419256it does pretty much everything better than the rest, anon
>>736420754Sekiro is not a Souls game. It literally has nothing in common with the series other than a diagetic revive system. Elden Ring is the best in the series.
>>736424398It still shares all mechanics and design elements as the first game. Animation feel and visual style are literally the only departures
>>736429918>There's no offenseHuh? Don't you get a bunch of lightning miracles?
